KIS 2010

[quanzi_1507]

Beta forum:
http://forum.kaspersky.com/index.php?showforum=16

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n58/quanzi_1507/security/KasperskyInternetSecurity2010BETAVE.png

Download:
http://devbuilds.kaspersky-labs.com/devbuilds/9.0.0.300/KIS/English/2009_04_14_12_25/

It has'nt been available on the public beta page yet! No changelog so far!

[3x0gR13N]

To those brave souls who actually install this (PRE)BETA version: do not perform an update! (set the updater to manual mode)
Also, do not use the sandbox. W7 isn't supported ATM.

[RejZoR]

Nice interface.

[czullo]

omg omg, this is like pre-alpha not beta, nothing working and all time BSOD

[3x0gR13N]

-{ Quote: "omg omg, this is like pre-alpha not beta, nothing working and all time BSOD" }-
And have you updated it?
Also, it's recommended that you immediately reboot after installation. ;)

[Dark_Hanzo]

-{ Quote: "omg omg, this is like pre-alpha not beta, nothing working and all time BSOD" }-

It takes alot of guts to test KIS2010 at this stage ;D. I'll wait a bit before checking it out. And btw, I like the new gui too :thumb:

[xxJackxx]

It looks nice minus the obvious bugs. First BSOD I have ever seen in a virtual machine. It looks promising though. Yes, the updater is seriously broken. I had enough BSODs with the 2009 though that I have pretty much burnt up a 3 user license without using it for more than a couple of weeks. Hopefully this version will work for me when it is done.

[thathagat]

running in vm.......not yet updated though.......not yet the inevitable..bsod..i am expecting it though...;)
safe try feature...seems to be a take on something akin to sandboxie..........

[raven211]

Too much clutter/text and bland interface IMO, though I don't doubt it's awesome when it's setup right. No offence intended. ;) I didn't use KAV anymore as I saw a video of a very infected system (Matt Rizos), where KAV would do small scans for specific threats and restart without a warning. That's not comfortable IMO and I don't think it's as good way of handling as others. Atleast in Automatic Mode, 2009 wouldn't check for and remove adware by default either.

[3x0gR13N]

-{ Quote: "I didn't use KAV anymore as I saw a video of a very infected system (Matt Rizos), where KAV would do small scans for specific threats and restart without a warning. That's not comfortable IMO and I don't think it's as good way of handling as others. " }-
Actually, if you looked closer, matt accidentally clicked OK on a prompt to reboot (after Advanced disinfection procedure aka "small scans") ;)
That's what happens when he doesn't do his homework of familiarizing himself with the app he tests. :)

[raven211]

-{ Quote: "Actually, if you looked closer, matt accidentally clicked OK on a prompt to reboot (after Advanced disinfection procedure aka "small scans") ;)
That's what happens when he doesn't do his homework of familiarizing himself with the app he tests. :)" }-

Yeah, I know he - atleast before - don't get all the facts on the software that he tests. :) Fortunately, though, I think he's gotten better by now on that point. ;)

Well, yeah, but the biggest issue was that it would do small scans for specifical malware and not just deny access and take care of everything when rebooting next time or something. I don't think it's a secret I like automatic, but effective operation, so it's disappointing that KAV in Automatic Mode by default doesn't have optimal settings, partly for detection.

[3x0gR13N]

-{ Quote: "Yeah, I know he - atleast before - don't get all the facts on the software that he tests. :) Fortunately, though, I think he's gotten better by now on that point. ;)
" }-
Agree :thumb:
-{ Quote: "
Well, yeah, but the biggest issue was that it would do small scans for specifical malware and not just deny access and take care of everything when rebooting next time or something. I don't think it's a secret I like automatic, but effective operation, so it's disappointing that KAV in Automatic Mode by default doesn't have optimal settings, partly for detection." }-
The Advanced Disinfection procedure must take place to remove active malware. Once active malware gets detected (whose process you cannot simply terminate, you have to perform a cleanup) you'll be prompted to start the Advanced disinfection (where it clearly states a system reboot is required for best chances of removal). If you click OK the "Small scan" will begin (it denies write/starting of any other processes so that malware doesn't respawn), followed by a reboot. If you click cancel Kaspersky will attempt to remove it on next reboot. :)

[raven211]

-{ Quote: "Agree :thumb:

The Advanced Disinfection procedure must take place to remove active malware. Once active malware gets detected (whose process you cannot simply terminate, you have to perform a cleanup) you'll be prompted to start the Advanced disinfection (where it clearly states a system reboot is required for best chances of removal). If you click OK the "Small scan" will begin (it denies write/starting of any other processes so that malware doesn't respawn), followed by a reboot. If you click cancel Kaspersky will attempt to remove it on next reboot. :)" }-

Okay, good stuff. ;D Now my only problem is non-optimal settings when choosing Automatic Mode. :D It's probably always been my biggest issue though, cause I really like Kaspersky's operation otherwise. Oh, and that in testing, the HIPS would set undeniable malware in Low-restriction, which let the malware do its thing - simply because nor the AV or its heuristics already could detect it.

[3x0gR13N]

I can't comment on actual operation of Automatic mode, haven't been using it at all. :)
As for obvious malware being placed in Low restricted, even there you would be asked about dangerous activities like writing in system folder, accessing private data, accessing the internet, manipulating other applications, writing startup registry keys etc. so the likelihood of it doing actual damage is minimal. :) (check the HIPS settings if you don't believe me ;))

[raven211]

-{ Quote: "I can't comment on actual operation of Automatic mode, haven't been using it at all. :)
As for obvious malware being placed in Low restricted, even there you would be asked about dangerous activities like writing in system folder, accessing private data, accessing the internet, manipulating other applications, writing startup registry keys etc. so the likelihood of it doing actual damage is minimal. :) (check the HIPS settings if you don't believe me ;))" }-

Oh right, forgot that - it's been a long time since using it. ;D Don't recall what happened during that testing session though... Might also have been one of Matt Rizos' videos.

[trjam]

I have a good feeling about 2010. 2009 was a GUI enhancement minus some solid detection tweaking, but I have a good feeling all of that is changing. Good job Kaspersky.:thumb:

[firzen771]

lol the 2010 GUI just looks like a Rogue A LOT to me haha ;D

[Joeythedude]

New version
I really like the look of it.Smart way of laying out threats and how it covers them.
Its good that it has a section my private info - thats always a problem , i.e what can malware do with files if it gets on the system
That it has a yellow for sig updates is also v good , current video's ive seen has that in red. Which is NOT good for a normal user , sig updates are the least imp part of a good suite in my opinion.
That its adding a sandbox for browsers is really excellent - its great to see a big company taking that on - now we'll have to find something even more cutting edge here !

Current version
I've read that the current version would have protected against the MBR virus , as it prevents low level disk access by default for d/l apps.
It also has a warning system when apps such as Adobe ( boo !) need updating.

So it all looks very good from here.

[quanzi_1507]

-{ Quote: "lol the 2010 GUI just looks like a Rogue A LOT to me haha " }-
Agree :thumb: Too much text

[vijayind]

Hope Kasperksy Labs has added full functionality for x64 platforms.

[Macstorm]

I just want to see Kaspersky getting back on track and recover its once-formidable detection rates. Oh, and please change that ugly interface!

[raven211]

-{ Quote: "lol the 2010 GUI just looks like a Rogue A LOT to me haha ;D" }-

Couldn't agree more - that was my first thought. :P

[pkz77]

Well it looks so bad :( . Too much text and the all interface isn't nice at all. KIS 2009 looks so sexy compared to KIS 10.

[Judge Dee]

Has anyone tried the sandbox?
I noticed in the screen shot that it allows running of browsers and "other applications".

[3x0gR13N]

-{ Quote: "Has anyone tried the sandbox?
I noticed in the screen shot that it allows running of browsers and "other applications"." }-
Sandbox isn't working in this build.

[Judge Dee]

-{ Quote: "Sandbox isn't working in this build." }-
Thanks for the info,3x0gR13N. Looking forward to see how it goes.

[Joeythedude]

well maybe a little less text in the division labels but the division into sections is smart IMHO.

People shouldn't have to care that they have an "firewall" etc on just that their internet is protected and if not what should they do.

[raven211]

Seems like almost everyone agrees that the interface isn't good...

[3x0gR13N]

FYI, a new build is out, build .306.
Sandbox is working (but expect bugs), it's still not entirely safe to update and do not install on x64 OSes. :)
Edit: here's a screen of a sandboxed IE, the window is surrounded by a green color, as seen in some other sandbox applications.
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[Jin K]

this man got a point :o

http://forum.kaspersky.com/index.php?showtopic=113405

[raven211]

-{ Quote: "FYI, a new build is out, build .306.
Sandbox is working (but expect bugs), it's still not entirely safe to update and do not install on x64 OSes. :)
Edit: here's a screen of a sandboxed IE, the window is surrounded by a green color, as seen in some other sandbox applications.
208003" }-

Is the sandboxing default and does it, like all the others like GesWall, DW, you name it - make it a pain for users installing lots of software?

[Netherlands]

-{ Quote: "FYI, a new build is out, build .306.
Sandbox is working (but expect bugs), it's still not entirely safe to update and do not install on x64 OSes. :)
Edit: here's a screen of a sandboxed IE, the window is surrounded by a green color, as seen in some other sandbox applications.
208003" }-

3x0gR13N, i don't have that green color surrounding my IE. IE is added in the sandbox! DId you do anything special?

[3x0gR13N]

-{ Quote: "Is the sandboxing default and does it, like all the others like GesWall, DW, you name it - make it a pain for users installing lots of software?" }-
No, nothing is sandboxed unless you specifically tell it to.
There's an option in the context menu which is shown when you right click executable files (.exe, .msi, etc.):
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You can also force sandboxing on every application start, from within the GUI:
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-{ Quote: "3x0gR13N, i don't have that green color surrounding my IE. IE is added in the sandbox! DId you do anything special?" }-
Just opened the GUI/sandbox, right clicked on IE and selected run. What OS are you on?

[Netherlands]

-{ Quote: "No, nothing is sandboxed unless you specifically tell it to.
There's an option in the context menu which is shown when you right click executable files (.exe, .msi, etc.):
208007
You can also force sandboxing on every application start, from within the GUI:
208008


Just opened the GUI/sandbox, right clicked on IE and selected run. What OS are you on?" }-

OK it works now. I thought that if it was in safe try applications window it was always sandboxed but you have to activate it first ;D

[3x0gR13N]

-{ Quote: "OK it works now. I thought that if it was in safe try applications window it was always sandboxed but you have to activate it first ;D" }-
You can use the "Always run in safe mode" option, that way it will always be sandboxed, no matter where you start it from. :)

[raven211]

Thx for the information, 3x0gR13N. :)

[Coolio10]

It feels so cluttered and separated. In KIS 2009 it was way easier to get to all the features. Now to get to some features you need to dig around. Nothing feels integrated like a suite should feel.

[Dark_Hanzo]

-{ Quote: "Seems like almost everyone agrees that the interface isn't good..." }-

Maybe I am the only one who likes the new layout :) Anyway, I don't think Kaspersky devs will make drastic changes on the interface, so we have to get use to it from now on.

[raven211]

-{ Quote: "Maybe I am the only one who likes the new layout :) Anyway, I don't think Kaspersky devs will make drastic changes on the interface, so we have to get use to it from now on." }-

Yeah, then I'm lucky I'm not currently a user. ;D - Joke... :D

[Sjoeii]

-{ Quote: "this man got a point :o

http://forum.kaspersky.com/index.php?showtopic=113405" }-
Thiese are only early beta versions> please give it some time

[Baz_kasp]

-{ Quote: "this man got a point :o

http://forum.kaspersky.com/index.php?showtopic=113405" }-


No he doesn't...HIPS did what it was supposed to do, aka block creation of the malware file in the system32 folder. One gets the impression he was trying to give avira a free plug whilst not understanding the concept of a HIPS...(apparently HIPS is supposed to detect a virus outright and label it as such straight away)


Also regarding the interface I do not like it (too much information) however there have been some changes for the better. We are still in the early stages of testing so I am sure some concessions will be made along the way.

[Sjoeii]

New beta build 310 was just released
http://forum.kaspersky.com/index.php?showtopic=113527

[mvdu]

Does the new web av solve the slow browsing problem that people have had? I have 64-bit Vista, so can't try it right now.

[Zombini]

-{ Quote: "FYI, a new build is out, build .306.
Sandbox is working (but expect bugs), it's still not entirely safe to update and do not install on x64 OSes. :)
Edit: here's a screen of a sandboxed IE, the window is surrounded by a green color, as seen in some other sandbox applications.
208003" }-

They should have just called it GreenBorder. If the idea has been ripped off, might as well rip off the name::)

[3x0gR13N]

-{ Quote: "They should have just called it GreenBorder. If the idea has been ripped off, might as well rip off the name::)" }-
Would it make you feel better if it was blue instead of green? :)

[Zombini]

-{ Quote: "HIPS did what it was supposed to do, aka block creation of the malware file in the system32 folder. " }-

The guy is absolutely right. Kaspersky's HIPS is not designed to block anything. Its designed to PROMPT!! Plain and simple.. prompt, and ask the naive user.

[Baz_kasp]

-{ Quote: "The guy is absolutely right. Kaspersky's HIPS is not designed to block anything. Its designed to PROMPT!! Plain and simple.. prompt, and ask the naive user." }-


Zombini, as much as you would love me to start a flame war concerning Kaspsersky it will not happen. I understand you have an issue with Kaspersky and anyone who will look into your posting history can see that straight away, but that doesn't mean you have to insert complete nonsense into any thread concrerning Kaspersky or their products.

In actual fact, in the default installation mode- that popup would not be given to the user and the creation of the malware file in the system32 directory would not take place- thwarting your theory and blocking the malware, so please please please do read up on what you are posting about before diving in with bold (incorrect) statements such as the above. :)

[subset]

-{ Quote: "New beta build 310 was just released
http://forum.kaspersky.com/index.php?showtopic=113527" }-
New beta build 310 was just removed. :blink:
(See link above)

Cheers

[3x0gR13N]

Yes, since some members were experiencing frequent (GUI) crashes. :)

[chris1341]

For those interested build .313 now available.

Cheers

[3x0gR13N]

I think it's best not to post when a new build is out, since they are released very frequently. Those who are interested should look at the official beta-testing forum section. :)

[chris1341]

-{ Quote: "I think it's best not to post when a new build is out, since they are released very frequently. Those who are interested should look at the official beta-testing forum section. :)" }-

No probs. Only did this time because it was noted here that .310 was withdrawn so wanted the thread updated to show those issues potentially resolved.

Those interested will find out for themselves I'm sure.

Cheers

[GES/POR]

-{ Quote: "No probs. Only did this time because it was noted here that .310 was withdrawn so wanted the thread updated to show those issues potentially resolved.

Those interested will find out for themselves I'm sure.

Cheers" }-

Uhhh actually continue to do so pls, i rather monitor 1 forum for all updates then a 100

[3x0gR13N]

-{ Quote: "Uhhh actually continue to do so pls, i rather monitor 1 forum for all updates then a 100" }-
Then monitor only this one: http://forum.kaspersky.com/index.php?showforum=16 ;)

[Xitrum]

It is still not supporting windows server os since v6. Hope it will support server 2003 on workstation box. It is preferred to windows server 2003 over windows xp. With 4GB ram, windows 2003 can detect and work at full capacity.
Another candidate a-squared Anti-Malware 4.0, supports all the lastest windows os includes new coming out 2008 server os.
-{ Quote: " a-squared Anti-Malware runs on Windows XP, Vista, as well as on 2003/2008 Servers in all 32 bit editions. On x64-systems the scanner and OnExecution guard work very well, but the behavior blocking module (Malware-IDS) does not run currently.

In regular guard mode are approx. 100 MB free RAM required. We suggest to use it on computers with at least 512 MB RAM, best would be 1 GB RAM.

Unlike other malware protection products, a-squared Anti-Malware was designed to run parallel with other antivirus and firewall software without troubles." }-

[Baz_kasp]

-{ Quote: "It is still not supporting windows server os since v6. Hope it will support server 2003 on workstation box. It is preferred to windows server 2003 over windows xp. With 4GB ram, windows 2003 can detect and work at full capacity.
Another candidate a-squared Anti-Malware 4.0, supports all the lastest windows os includes new coming out 2008 server os." }-


It will not support WS2003, as this is not a product a normal home user would use- with it being a server, only the business line products will work.

Regarding WHS, I think there has been some discussion about supporting it although I am not sure the demand for this OS is that high.

[mack_guy911]

http://www.softpedia.com/get/Antivirus/Kaspersky-Internet-Security.shtml


http://www.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/Kaspersky-Internet-Security-Screenshot-20619.html


KIS beta for download + screenshots :)

[Netherlands]

-{ Quote: "http://www.softpedia.com/get/Antivirus/Kaspersky-Internet-Security.shtml


http://www.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/Kaspersky-Internet-Security-Screenshot-20619.html


KIS beta for download + screenshots :)" }-

That build was withdrawn because it had serious problems!

[Macstorm]

-{ Quote: "That build was withdrawn because had had serious problems!" }-
..being the first the horrible and confusing interface :wacko:

[Baz_kasp]

-{ Quote: "..being the first the horrible and confusing interface :wacko:" }-

yeah, I dont like it either. There will definitely be changes in later builds, you should see them out quite soon.

[Macstorm]

-{ Quote: "yeah, I dont like it either. There will definitely be changes in later builds, you should see them out quite soon." }-
Good to know, Baz. I'd like to see something quite minimalist just like this (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1385479&postcount=110). Although I think this could be too much to ask for Kaspersky :)

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "Good to know, Baz. I'd like to see something quite minimalist just like this (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1385479&postcount=110). Although I think this could be too much to ask for Kaspersky :)" }-

kaspersky's GUI's have never been all that simple, but theyve all been pretty easy to navigate still, except this one.

[JasSolo]

-{ Quote: "Good to know, Baz. I'd like to see something quite minimalist just like this (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1385479&postcount=110). Although I think this could be too much to ask for Kaspersky :)" }-

I'm with you on this, Mac. GDATA has always been ahead of other AV companies, GUI wise, that is :)


Cheers

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "I'm with you on this, Mac. GDATA has always been ahead of other AV companies, GUI wise, that is :)


Cheers" }-

yes GDATA does have a nicely layed out interface, i like it, Avira also has a pretty simple GUI, although pretty boring to look at :P

[wtsinnc]

I installed 2010 Beta yesterday and updated the virus definitions without any problem., then was prompted to reboot.

Upon reboot, BSOD.
-Rebooted-
-Memory dump, reboot, BSOD.
-Rebooted in safe mode; BSOD.
-Rebooted, BSOD.
-Uninstsalled.

Perhaps the next version will be available very soon and will be much more stable.
I'm a big kaspersky fan and realize this was an early beta offering. Based on what little I was able to see (I did enter the configuration settings and looked around), 2010 seems about as straightforward as 2009.
As for the GUI, I'm undecided; I tend to accept cosmetic changes a little slower that most, I suppose. Still, I foresee no problem getting used to it.

[3x0gR13N]

Here are some slight GUI modifications in build 340.
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(P.S it's not recommended to look at the LED globe for long periods, you might get blind :P)

[raven211]

-{ Quote: "Here are some slight GUI modifications in build 340.
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(P.S it's not recommended to look at the LED globe for long periods, you might get blind :P)" }-

Looks better atleast. :) Personally I've to say Symantec and Prevx has made most progress when it comes to the GUI IMO, just to name two examples. They're the first that come to mind.

[tipstir]

These are suppose to protect you not dazzle you with there GUIs.. People just keep it plain an simple with descent protection.

[raven211]

-{ Quote: "These are suppose to protect you not dazzle you with there GUIs.. People just keep it plain an simple with descent protection." }-

Ofc every non-average Joe user knows this, but it's still the first thing that reaches every user - and everytime he or she's to use or change something in the program. That's why there are many discussions about it when people aren't satisfied with what they see. They're going to see it very frequently afterall. ;)

[tipstir]

-{ Quote: "Ofc every non-average Joe user knows this, but it's still the first thing that reaches every user - and everytime he or she's to use or change something in the program. That's why there are many discussions about it when people aren't satisfied with what they see. They're going to see it very frequently afterall. ;)" }-

These programs need to go back to the basics..

1. have a smart scanner/cleaner before it boots OS
2. behavioral first contact (built-in) thus no need for third person software
3. be able to have smart active feature to scan/repair/patch OS

Btw: I see you have changed your mine on renewal program. I had looked into that one but wasn't impressed. Have you ever tried SocketShield, but now that company developed your Link Scanner has been taken over by AVG folks.

[Baz_kasp]

Well i guess their reasoning might be "attract as much attention to the traffic light as possible so people know if there is a problem"

green=all good

yellow=attention

red=alert

[raven211]

-{ Quote: "These programs need to go back to the basics..

1. have a smart scanner/cleaner before it boots OS
2. behavioral first contact (built-in) thus no need for third person software
3. be able to have smart active feature to scan/repair/patch OS

Btw: I see you have changed your mine on renewal program. I had looked into that one but wasn't impressed. Have you ever tried SocketShield, but now that company developed your Link Scanner has been taken over by AVG folks." }-

I would guess that feature is included in the LinkScanner as it does block exploits.

[trjam]

-{ Quote: "Well i guess their reasoning might be "attract as much attention to the traffic light as possible so people know if there is a problem"

green=all good

yellow=attention

red=alert" }-
You have to like a man, who keeps his sense of humor. Kaspersky will get it right before final release.

[Baz_kasp]

-{ Quote: "You have to like a man, who keeps his sense of humor. Kaspersky will get it right before final release." }-


I hope they dont add an LED widget to the sidebar while they are at it ;D

[Macstorm]

-{ Quote: "I'm with you on this, Mac. GDATA has always been ahead of other AV companies, GUI wise, that is :)" }-
You're right, Jas. Gdata's GUI is certainly a beauty to the eyes ;)

Back to topic, I plan to test the new KAV 2010 beta when it's in its final stages.

[tipstir]

-{ Quote: "I would guess that feature is included in the LinkScanner as it does block exploits." }-

It does? You don't know have a problem with LinkScanner it blocks my internet access if I use that, but then again I like like to use browser tool bars. Another one like this is Browser Defender but that's only for IE so I never got to test it.

[Baz_kasp]

KAV/KIS 2010 just hit Release Candidate.
Build 9.0.0.451

[Macstorm]

Man, things were fast since first beta! I wonder if they changed its initial GUI, a bit at least.. ;) Thanks Baz.

[fce]

is there any option to disable new Sandboxie feature of KIS2010?

i like my Sandboxie from Tzuk....i don't know if KIS2010-Sandboxie features works the same as Tzuk Sandboxie.

[Baz_kasp]

-{ Quote: "is there any option to disable new Sandboxie feature of KIS2010?

i like my Sandboxie from Tzuk....i don't know if KIS2010-Sandboxie features works the same as Tzuk Sandboxie." }-


It's part of the application filtering (HIPS) module and AFAIK you cannot deselect it unless you choose not to install the HIPS module. It makes no difference though as it doesn't run unless you run an app inside the sandbox.
I think it was discussed a bit here: http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=243077

[sourav_gho]

Guys,
The Release candidate is out, and is very stable.
Try a look at its technology (Which includes improved HIPS+PDM+Rootkit+firewall etc+ all new sandbox):
Link
http://devbuilds.kaspersky-labs.com/devbuilds/9.0.0.451/

[blacknight]

Someone tried it with some kind of Leak tests ?

[yaslaw]

So far so good for me. I'm testing KAV 2010 on windows 7 RC. Without any glitches.
Memory consumption is a little lower than in 2009 ed, but CPU usage is higher (previously I had 0-1% now 0-3 on low-end config)

It's running two process as well.

http://img188.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kav2010.gif

[Phenom]

-{ Quote: "So far so good for me. I'm testing KAV 2010 on windows 7 RC. Without any glitches.
Memory consumption is a little lower than in 2009 ed, but CPU usage is higher (previously I had 0-1% now 0-3 on low-end config)

It's running two process as well.

http://img188.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kav2010.gif" }-
kaspersky doesn't seem light to me. Maybe this suite is not for gamers?

[mack_guy911]

i just downloaded KIS 2010 without firewall with outpost firewall its working Great ;D its sandboxie is little bit slow on net surfing with firefox but need some improvement but till final i think it would be better........

scanning it pretty fast as compare 2009

i like its new interface very much its looks cool....:D

no problem till 1 hour of running it also upgrade my license key of 2009 and give me 265 days .....:D

new vulnerability and anti virus scan look pretty much imporved and mature.....

let me check more....:D

[blacknight]

-{ Quote: "Someone tried it with some kind of Leak tests ?" }-

Reading in their forum, may be it's not possible to publish any test results. :doubt: >:(

[Baz_kasp]

-{ Quote: "Reading in their forum, may be it's not possible to publish any test results. :doubt: >:(" }-

Thats to stop testing "outfits" from testing incomplete/unreleased/beta software (which is what the beta forum is for) and then screaming about how it sucks/crashes/lags/uses too much ram/etc.... you can put it up against leaktests if you want and discuss them casually (e.g. publicly post the results on a forum, that kind of stuff), just not publish a test with unreleased software and declare it to be a comparative of av performance/reliability/etc

[colt45allstar]

Longtime Kaspersky user who always waits until Release Candidate to check out the newest version.

Installation went flawlessly and it took my activation code with no problems whatsoever.

Still not sure what to think of The GUI, seems like a mixed bag so far.. but that might also be just the fact that I'm not yet used to it.

Browsing at least on my computer is noticeably faster when compared to 2009/Version 8.

I'm impressed by the increased browsing speed and while results will no doubt differ on various computers... at least on mine 2009 was noticabilly faster than version 7 and 2010 is faster still. Seems to be lightning quick even with settings set on maximum.

Been using it since yesterday Afternoon and so far quite pleased.

[waters]

Will it work with Outpost pro

[mvdu]

The web scanner portion is still the slowest out of all the web scanners I've tried on my computer. So I do not think I will use KIS 9.

[Baz_kasp]

Newer build 9.0.0.459....just tying up the last few loose ends. Hopefully we'll have a release build soon.

[subset]

-{ Quote: "Someone tried it with some kind of Leak tests ?" }-
This leads to the next question...
How can you test only the HIPS module?
I mean without all AV modules.

Just not install these modules and delete all signature files, like the *.kdc files?
Or anything else. :-\

Cheers

[Baz_kasp]

-{ Quote: "This leads to the next question...
How can you test only the HIPS module?
I mean without all AV modules.

Just not install these modules and delete all signature files, like the *.kdc files?
Or anything else. :-\

Cheers" }-

..or just disable the fileav module.....

[subset]

-{ Quote: "..or just disable the fileav module....." }-
A likely story...
Either you have no clue or you think that I have no clue. ;D

Did the guys from anti-malware.ru just disable the File AV from KIS for their HIPS test?
Nope, KIS was the only program where they had to edit things manually.

If I delete the signatures, KIS moves every maleware to low restricted group and even KillDisk works perfectly in Automatic mode. :lurking:

So there must be a better solution... to the advantage of KIS. ;)

Cheers

[Baz_kasp]

-{ Quote: "A likely story...
Either you have no clue or you think that I have no clue. ;D

Did the guys from anti-malware.ru just disable the File AV from KIS for their HIPS test?
Nope, KIS was the only program where they had to edit things manually.

If I delete the signatures, KIS moves every maleware to low restricted group and even KillDisk works perfectly in Automatic mode. :lurking:

So there must be a better solution... to the advantage of KIS. ;)

Cheers" }-

I don't understand what you are getting at, I use KIS with only HIPS module installed. This is the same thing as disabling File AV and testing the HIPS only. If you delete all the .kdc files you are deleting the categorisation mechanism for HIPS- it doesn't rely on the signature files, but on a special "first run" emulator.....obviously you can't exclude this as it breaks the concept of an automated hips.

[subset]

-{ Quote: "I don't understand what you are getting at, I use KIS with only HIPS module installed. This is the same thing as disabling File AV and testing the HIPS only." }-
The problem with this configuration seems to be, that the emulator or something else still takes a look at the virus definitions.
So you test the emulator and not the HIPS. :P

For example, if I test with signatures and run Trojan.Win32.KillDisk, then the file ends up in 'untrusted' group.
But if I delete the signature files (*.kdc) and then run KillDisk, KIS puts the malware into 'low restricted' group and KillDisk works as promised without any warning from KIS. :blink:
This happens when you run known malware, at least in automatic mode of KIS 2009.

There was a discussion at anti-malware.ru about this problem (Google translation).
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.anti-malware.ru%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Fshowtopic%3D7603&sl=ru&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

That's why I asked how to cut the AV cord with KIS 2010.
I don't want to test the emulator or signature/heuristic detection, I want to test the pure HIPS module.

Edit
-{ Quote: "If you delete all the .kdc files you are deleting the categorisation mechanism for HIPS- it doesn't rely on the signature files, but on a special "first run" emulator....." }-
Err... which file(s) should I not delete?

Cheers

[raven211]

Some questions... :

1. Does the vulnerability scanner work as much in real-time, e.g. like Secunia PSI which atleast the db is based on, or is it not fully developed yet? How does it operate?

2. Comparing to programs like (AVG) LinkScanner and Rising PC Doctor, how does 2010 do against things like exploits, drive-by downloads, code overflow and removable media like USB drives (in real-time, that's)?

[andyman35]

-{ Quote: "It does? You don't know have a problem with LinkScanner it blocks my internet access if I use that, but then again I like like to use browser tool bars. Another one like this is Browser Defender but that's only for IE so I never got to test it." }-
It's for Firefox as well.

[sourav_gho]

-{ Quote: "The web scanner portion is still the slowest out of all the web scanners I've tried on my computer. So I do not think I will use KIS 9." }-
what made u think like that try the latest build .459. Its amazingly fast and uses lesser memory even than KIS 2009. Web browsing is still lot more faster than KIS 2009. (Believe me i am beta testing it for long time)

[mvdu]

-{ Quote: "what made u think like that try the latest build .459. Its amazingly fast and uses lesser memory even than KIS 2009. Web browsing is still lot more faster than KIS 2009. (Believe me i am beta testing it for long time)" }-

I did try it, and I had different results than you did. Major pause when going from page to page.

[sourav_gho]

-{ Quote: "I did try it, and I had different results than you did. Major pause when going from page to page." }-
Did you install it over v2009, try to do fresh install(Uninstall everything install a fresh copy of the build of 459)

[mvdu]

-{ Quote: "Did you install it over v2009, try to do fresh install(Uninstall everything install a fresh copy of the build of 459)" }-

Clean install. It's a tiny bit faster than the last version, but I still get an annoying pause. Could I change any setting?

[mack_guy911]

waters yes it work with outpost perfecty all you need to do is install it without firewall

they update thier rc realse to pre TR release hope we gonna see kis final release within a week or so:D
(pre technical release, so pre release, pre-RTM etc etc, one step above RC @origanly posted by Lucian Bara)

http://forum.kaspersky.com/index.php?showtopic=117733&st=20&start=20

here link of download

http://devbuilds.kaspersky-labs.com/devbuilds/9.0.0.459/

[lodore]

-{ Quote: "waters yes it work with outpost perfecty all you need to do is install it without firewall

they update thier rc realse to pre TR release hope we gonna see kis final release within a week or so:D
(pre technical release, so pre release, pre-RTM etc etc, one step above RC @origanly posted by Lucian Bara)

http://forum.kaspersky.com/index.php?showtopic=117733&st=20&start=20

here link of download

http://devbuilds.kaspersky-labs.com/devbuilds/9.0.0.459/" }-
9.0.0.459 is the final see topic below
http://forum.kaspersky.com/index.php?showtopic=117824

[mack_guy911]

yes true lodore but they didnt put that final release to thier site kaspersky.com yet.........


but still thanks.....

;D

[3x0gR13N]

-{ Quote: "Some questions... :

1. Does the vulnerability scanner work as much in real-time, e.g. like Secunia PSI which atleast the db is based on, or is it not fully developed yet? How does it operate?

2. Comparing to programs like (AVG) LinkScanner and Rising PC Doctor, how does 2010 do against things like exploits, drive-by downloads, code overflow and removable media like USB drives (in real-time, that's)?" }-
1. The vulnerability scanner is just on-demand, it doesn't monitor which application was updated and which wasn't in real-time.
2. Exploits, drive-by downloads and all threats which use Web/HTTP(...) protocol are scanned by the WebAV. Heuristics are applied in addition to the standard database of malware signatures and a DB of known bad sites (site blacklist) and Phishing sites DB (Anti-phishing is now incorporated in WebAV).
An example of heuristics detecting an exploit (via WebAV):
209183
In addition to WebAV, a plugin is used to mark all bad sites in search engines and other sites. It doesn't mark good sites as good (you can never know that for certain), only marks known bad sites and displays details about the site (when you hower on the red triangle).
An example (very nasty site btw :P):
209185
Removable drives scan has been implemented in 2010, so you will be prompted to scan or not to scan the removable drive you inserted (or, if you configure it, to automatically scan the drive).
Example:
209184
AVZ tools are used to determine if system settings need to be adjusted for better security, like disabling autorun, enabling Taskmanager, regedit. etc.

[raven211]

-{ Quote: "1. The vulnerability scanner is just on-demand, it doesn't monitor which application was updated and which wasn't in real-time.
2. Exploits, drive-by downloads and all threats which use Web/HTTP(...) protocol are scanned by the WebAV. Heuristics are applied in addition to the standard database of malware signatures and a DB of known bad sites (site blacklist) and Phishing sites DB (Anti-phishing is now incorporated in WebAV).
An example of heuristics detecting an exploit (via WebAV):
209183
In addition to WebAV, a plugin is used to mark all bad sites in search engines and other sites. It doesn't mark good sites as good (you can never know that for certain), only marks known bad sites and displays details about the site (when you hower on the red triangle).
An example (very nasty site btw :P):
209185
Removable drives scan has been implemented in 2010, so you will be prompted to scan or not to scan the removable drive you inserted (or, if you configure it, to automatically scan the drive).
Example:
209184
AVZ tools are used to determine if system settings need to be adjusted for better security, like disabling autorun, enabling Taskmanager, regedit. etc." }-

Thanks.

1. Is this planned for the future as it's lacking functionality found in Secunia PSI in that case? Now, I don't mean system and IE vulnerabilities, cause that would just cause prompts for things that users don't necessarily want to set, but software, just like the original program.

2. Is that heuristical detection blocked automatically in Automatic Mode?

Also, do I need KIS for that search shield and does that provide any additional protection?


Last, but not least, even if probably not needed - thanks to what Kaspersky provides alone - AVG LinkScanner either conflicts or simply doesn't work with KAV and probably KIS too. I didn't get any warning when installing KAV, but is this known? I was unable to load pages - it would just be like "finished", but the page is still blank. Also, even if most core-processes seemed to be running, it wouldn't show up in the tray (AVG, that's).

[3x0gR13N]

-{ Quote: "1. Is this planned for the future as it's lacking functionality found in Secunia PSI in that case?" }-
There were some discussions about similar functionality during v8 betas, but I don't know if it's going to get implemented. Maybe yes, maybe no... just have to wait and see. ;)
-{ Quote: "2. Is that heuristical detection blocked automatically in Automatic Mode? " }-
Yes.
-{ Quote: "Also, do I need KIS for that search shield and does that provide any additional protection?" }-
KAV has it as well. The plugin doesn't provide additional protection but only extended information and sort of a pre-warning when surfing. It uses the same DB of known bad sites as WebAV does, so it's getting blocked either way.
-{ Quote: "AVG LinkScanner either conflicts or simply doesn't work with KAV" }-
I havent tried AVG LS, so I can't comment on potential conflicts. There weren't any bugreports about the issue you mentioned, either because no one using AVG LS experienced the issue or just that no one was using it. Will try later and see if there are conflicts on my machine.

[raven211]

-{ Quote: "There were some discussions about similar functionality during v8 betas, but I don't know if it's going to get implemented. Maybe yes, maybe no... just have to wait and see. ;)

Yes.

KAV has it as well. The plugin doesn't provide additional protection but only extended information and sort of a pre-warning when surfing. It uses the same DB of known bad sites as WebAV does, so it's getting blocked either way.

I havent tried AVG LS, so I can't comment on potential conflicts. There weren't any bugreports about the issue you mentioned, either because no one using AVG LS experienced the issue or just that no one was using it. Will try later and see if there are conflicts on my machine." }-


Thank you.

1. Yeah, otherwise I dunno, cause I won't run scans myself (or schedule them) - real-time is what I and is needed to keep myself and others safe IMO. Otherwise you know if there are vulnerable software only the next time a scan is run. ;)


Where can I find that plugin? Is it somewhere in the main-window, or in IE for example?

Will the plugin support or does it support Opera (in the future)?

[3x0gR13N]

-{ Quote: "Where can I find that plugin? Is it somewhere in the main-window, or in IE for example?" }-
Both in WebAV settings and browser window.
-{ Quote: "Will the plugin support or does it support Opera (in the future)?" }-
Probably in the future...

[raven211]

The option "Do not delete suspicious objects", does that result in a quarantine action, or is the user prompted? I would suppose it doesn't prompt, refering to what you answered on the heuristical detection, but I just wanna know. :)

[3x0gR13N]

-{ Quote: "The option "Do not delete suspicious objects", does that result in a quarantine action, or is the user prompted? I would suppose it doesn't prompt, refering to what you answered on the heuristical detection, but I just wanna know. :)" }-
Yup ;) Suspicious objects include for ex. keylogger detection based on behavior. Depending on precision, the application with such behavior will be terminated but not removed. I suggest to leave that option enabled, as it is by default.
BTW, even if something is deleted you can restore it... ;) (just a fail-safe)
Difference is you can add a non-detected file to Quarantine and sent it for analysis, and objects in Quarantine will be re-checked upon update.

[Graystoke]

At the bottom right of the main GUI in KIS 2010, there's what I describe as a radar/sonar looking screen, with the headings, Total Scanned, and Threats Detected. So far, after installing KIS 2010 last night, it shows Total Scanned: 149727, Treats Detected: 0. Is that the real time scanner working?

[3x0gR13N]

-{ Quote: "At the bottom right of the main GUI in KIS 2010, there's what I describe as a radar/sonar looking screen, with the headings, Total Scanned, and Threats Detected. So far, after installing KIS 2010 last night, it shows Total Scanned: 149727, Treats Detected: 0. Is that the real time scanner working?" }-
Yes. :)

[raven211]

Weird... it says threats detected is two, and all it shows is one malicious tool, and it's the same in the report. ???

[3x0gR13N]

Had any network attacks?

[Coolio10]

-{ Quote: "Weird... it says threats detected is two, and all it shows is one malicious tool, and it's the same in the report. ???" }-
This happened without any notifications?

[Graystoke]

-{ Quote: "Yes. :)" }-


Thanks 3x0gR13N. I figured that's what that was, but wanted to make sure. :)

[Ed_H]

I have had KIS 2010 running most of the day. It either needs some fine tuning or just does not like my setup. I am getting slowdowns opening apps and loading web pages.

[colt45allstar]

Still lightning quick for me, it may indeed not like your setup.

Pages load nearly instantly.. can't even tell that the web antivirus is on... let alone on max settings

[Marcelo]

I have to agree that the RC version is quite fast. I barely feel it running and the slowdown problem I had whenever KIS was updating is gone.

I recommend to those who are experiencing problems to perform a clean install. KIS doesn't seem to like to install as an update. The installer just stopped working when I tried. The clean install, on the other hand, was fast and didn't even require a reboot.

[thathagat]

two questions
1.it did not ask for a restart....is that okay?
2.i have my key file that i converted from the code some time back....but now there is no provision to activate it with a key file like 2009?

[colt45allstar]

The reboot is no longer required during installation, so that is indeed normal.

As for activation using a key file.. there's a way to do it, because I saw something about it on the Kaspersky beta forum.... having trouble finding it now... as I was going to point you in that direction if I could find it again.

[mvdu]

-{ Quote: "I have to agree that the RC version is quite fast. I barely feel it running and the slowdown problem I had whenever KIS was updating is gone.

I recommend to those who are experiencing problems to perform a clean install. KIS doesn't seem to like to install as an update. The installer just stopped working when I tried. The clean install, on the other hand, was fast and didn't even require a reboot." }-

Unfortunately, the KIS web scanner has always slowed me down, and this one is no different. Yes, I've even tried it on fresh operating systems. So I know it is KIS.

[Graystoke]

No web page loading slow downs here. This new KIS is very quick. Fast full system scans also.

Looks like it runs a rootkit scan periodically on its own. I don't see anything in settings where you can setup a rootkit scheduled scan. Three are listed in the log. One yesterday, and two today. The strange thing is with the two today, both were listed occurring nine hours ago. How can two rootkit scans happen at the same time?

[thathagat]

does anyone else also has problem viewing youtube......with kis2010 ?

the whole video was d/l before it was played.....??? normally it should start instantly....

[Tony]

-{ Quote: "does anyone else also has problem viewing youtube......with kis2010 ?" }-

Working fine here

[plantextract]

-{ Quote: "does anyone else also has problem viewing youtube......with kis2010 ?

the whole video was d/l before it was played.....??? normally it should start instantly...." }-
do you have web av set to high?

[sourav_gho]

-{ Quote: "two questions
1.it did not ask for a restart....is that okay?
2.i have my key file that i converted from the code some time back....but now there is no provision to activate it with a key file like 2009?" }-
There is infact,
click on activate trial version during install, disconnect any internet connections
It will give an error, in that window you will find the option of installing through key..:P

[thathagat]

-{ Quote: "There is infact,
click on activate trial version during install, disconnect any internet connections
It will give an error, in that window you will find the option of installing through key." }-

after much brain raking i found another way without re installing.....use this code...T6B6K-8YK22-VBQH7-ZUZJG....its invalid but it then opens the option to use your key file......i wish kis2010 had the original option of using the key file.............though

[mvdu]

-{ Quote: "does anyone else also has problem viewing youtube......with kis2010 ?

the whole video was d/l before it was played.....??? normally it should start instantly...." }-

I don't have the YouTube problem. That has been fixed, at least on my setup.

[mvdu]

What do people think about letting KIS 2010 make the decisions on its own? Is it safe?

[raven211]

-{ Quote: "Had any network attacks?" }-

Not sure, Coolio, but I checked a full report and no network attacks are detected either. If there were, I would expect this to be one of the items on that button on the main-window as otherwise it might cause confusion. ;)

[raven211]

-{ Quote: "What do people think about letting KIS 2010 make the decisions on its own? Is it safe?" }-

I think this should be safe as it takes the recommended action automatically. What has been seen, for example in a "review" by Matt Rizos is that the HIPS sometimes might make the wrong decision. It would place malware in "low restricted". This, according to 3x0gR13N, should still not be a problem, as, like I also recall, Kaspersky will still (obviously) check what that software is actually doing. Say that it logs keystrokes - then it will still be blocked.

Two questions for 3x0gR13N:

1. Does KAV/KIS take that action (e.g. keystrokes) automatically as well in 2010? I recall that it would still prompt, even if being in automatic mode, in 2009. :-\

2. Are the default settings for the Proactive Defense optimal?

[TimaN]

How’s the impact on browsing speed compared to previous KAV v8?

[raven211]

-{ Quote: "How’s the impact on browsing speed compared to previous KAV v8?" }-

According to people in this very same topic, the speed should be much improved and probably always is as it's still software in the testing-phase. Read the topic. ;) ;D

[chris1341]

In the 2009 version there was a difference in the HIPS functionality between XP and Vista. To do with Microsoft accreditation being withdrawn if you hooked certain processes in Vista I think.

Can anyone confirm if 2010 has full HIPS capabilities (ie all the same protection categories as XP)?

Thanks

[3x0gR13N]

-{ Quote: "Not sure, Coolio, but I checked a full report and no network attacks are detected either. If there were, I would expect this to be one of the items on that button on the main-window as otherwise it might cause confusion. ;)" }-
Yes, the sub-category numbers doesn't always equate to the total number, since Network attacks and Phishing URLs are not shown there, but are counted in the Total number.

-{ Quote: "I think this should be safe as it takes the recommended action automatically. What has been seen, for example in a "review" by Matt Rizos is that the HIPS sometimes might make the wrong decision. It would place malware in "low restricted". This, according to 3x0gR13N, should still not be a problem, as, like I also recall, Kaspersky will still (obviously) check what that software is actually doing. Say that it logs keystrokes - then it will still be blocked.

Two questions for 3x0gR13N:

1. Does KAV/KIS take that action (e.g. keystrokes) automatically as well in 2010? I recall that it would still prompt, even if being in automatic mode, in 2009.

2. Are the default settings for the Proactive Defense optimal?" }-
1. The Automatic mode decisions is a bit touchy area... the truth is that many legit programs behave in a way similar to malware, so how can the program effectively decide if it should block the action or not. No program is intelligent enough to make that decision, some stuff will be blocked which shouldn't be, some stuff will be allowed which shouldn't be... I hope that you understand and see the fine line between some applications and some malware. Automatic mode is mainly designed for people who don't know much about computers... Usability above everything else... For ex. some legitimate programs are detected as riskware, Remote-admin and mirc as an example... what should be done, delete the program automatically, causing user frustration? They are both legit apps, but can be used by malware authors to gain access to the PC... What about adware in freeware programs? Many of them don't work at all if the adware component is deleted (for ex. Spybot S&D warns about that...). They also belong in the "Suspicious" list (in the "Do not delete suspicious objects"), so the program won't automatically delete such programs, instead it will display a yellow warning triangle in the tray, and log the files under active threats, where the user can delete them or keep them if he needs them. Basically the same can be applied to keyloggers and other "proactive" events... but here the variable is also the precision of the heuristic detection of application behavior. The application can detect a keylogger, either "real" ones or in some legitimate applications (games etc.), and AFAIK if the heuristical/behavioral verdict is precise, it will block them.
As I mentioned somwhere earlier, I don't know much about automatic mode, so I may be wrong.
If you want to pass leaktests, Interactive mode is the way to go.. if you can cope with popups.
I still recommend keeping "Do not delete suspicious objects" enabled.
2. The PDM options are optimal, you needn't worry about them. I'm not sure what are the options which are enabled by default in KAV, as it has an extended PDM detection list, but you can safely enable them, and if some problems arise, disable them.

-{ Quote: "Can anyone confirm if 2010 has full HIPS capabilities (ie all the same protection categories as XP)?" }-
Vista users (not one of them) reported better proactive protection, but still not on par with XP AFAIK. How it's done, I don't know... :P

[Coolio10]

Speaking of heuristics. In KIS 09 the file av heuristics were off by default. In KIS 10 the heuristics are on light. Is there a reason why it is on now or why it was off before? Hopefull this will bring detection up on tests.

[chris1341]

-{ Quote: "
Vista users (not one of them) reported better proactive protection, but still not on par with XP AFAIK. How it's done, I don't know... :P" }-

Thanks, I assumed so as Kaspersky no doubt want to ensure Microsoft accreditation for this version as well. Us poor old Vista users will have to find something else to compliment it to get full cover.

Cheers

[trjam]

ok, you have me interested. Question. Under Safe Run Applications it shows IE. When I click on the IE icon in it IE pops up with a green border around it. But, when I just click my IE icon on desktop, no green border. So is the only way to have it sandboxed is to open the GUI each time and go to My Security Zone.

[3x0gR13N]

-{ Quote: "ok, you have me interested. Question. Under Safe Run Applications it shows IE. When I click on the IE icon in it IE pops up with a green border around it. But, when I just click my IE icon on desktop, no green border. So is the only way to have it sandboxed is to open the GUI each time and go to My Security Zone." }-
Right click the IE icon and select "Always run in safe mode" and you'll get the desired effect ;)

[trjam]

thank you

[trjam]

damn nice suite.:thumb:

[Baz_kasp]

-{ Quote: "Thanks, I assumed so as Kaspersky no doubt want to ensure Microsoft accreditation for this version as well. Us poor old Vista users will have to find something else to compliment it to get full cover.

Cheers" }-

Can pass CLT 340/340 if configured manually (with different rulesets etc) and it passes all AKLT apart from directX under vista AFAIK. Guess there is still room in the API for adding new features :)

[trjam]

I have been playing with it all afternoon. Sandbox, HIPS, this is the best suite ever created. The sandbox is what now puts Kaspersky about 2 miles ahead of all the rest. Maybe next year, In-the-Cloud detection to cut down on the sigs, but right now, I am totally frigging amazed at what they have done.:)

[lu_chin]

Does anyone have any problem activating the technical release build of KIS 2010 with keys they bought from Systweak a couple of years back? KIS kept saying my key was for an incompatible product.

Thanks.

[dawgg]

-{ Quote: "Speaking of heuristics. In KIS 09 the file av heuristics were off by default. In KIS 10 the heuristics are on light. Is there a reason why it is on now or why it was off before? Hopefull this will bring detection up on tests." }-
I'm not 100% sure, but my guess is that KIS09 had Kaspersky's newer engine and the heuristics had some major development and rollouts planed for after KIS09 was released, so was disabled by default to reduce effects of mass problems (if there were to be any), eg, FPs, crashes, performance impacts etc.

Now the heuristics have been rolled out and proven there are no problems with them, Kaspersky is more confident to have more users using it.

Its the standard way to do it to minimize the effects of messups which are more likely in early stages... sort of why many businesses never upgrade to brand new software as soon as its released.

Again, just my presumption.

[trjam]

-{ Quote: "Does anyone have any problem activating the technical release build of KIS 2010 with keys they bought from Systweak a couple of years back? KIS kept saying my key was for an incompatible product.

Thanks." }-
My friend, if I remember correctly, a OEM license will not work until it is a RC, or released completely. I remember that from the Systweak stuff. I really like this suite. Sorry Joe, but time to take a hike.:dry:

[lu_chin]

Thanks my friend. I will patiently wait until the final release. For now I am using the 30 day trial while trying to figure out why the little untrusted applications counter on the system tray icon of Defensewall keeps going up after I launch IE8 when KIS 2010 is running.

Cheers.

-{ Quote: "My friend, if I remember correctly, a OEM license will not work until it is a RC, or released completely. I remember that from the Systweak stuff. I really like this suite. Sorry Joe, but time to take a hike.:dry:" }-

[Baz_kasp]

-{ Quote: "Thanks my friend. I will patiently wait until the final release. For now I am using the 30 day trial while trying to figure out why the little untrusted applications counter on the system tray icon of Defensewall keeps going up after I launch IE8 when KIS 2010 is running.

Cheers." }-

Careful running two HIPS at the same time...might get a bit iffy :-\

[darthsideous666]

Hi lu chin,

I do not think it has anything to do with KIS 2010. I think has more to do with IE8 loading an extra process or something. I was experiencing the increase in # as well with Defensewall when I was running IE8. I have since switched to Firefox and the issue is no more.

ds

-{ Quote: "Thanks my friend. I will patiently wait until the final release. For now I am using the 30 day trial while trying to figure out why the little untrusted applications counter on the system tray icon of Defensewall keeps going up after I launch IE8 when KIS 2010 is running.

Cheers." }-

[Ed_H]

Has anyone been able to test the effectiveness of the sandbox yet?

[chris1341]

-{ Quote: "Can pass CLT 340/340 if configured manually (with different rulesets etc) and it passes all AKLT apart from directX under vista AFAIK. Guess there is still room in the API for adding new features :)" }-

Good to hear but different from my experience. Just ran CLT as high restricted with all set to prompt and all pro-active categories selected. Score 160/340.

As for AKLT, failed all except journal record hook.

I'll keep playing with the settings to tighten it up if better scores can be obtained but the average user Kaspersky are targeting will not be able to configure different rulesets to those that come as standard IMO leaving Vista users a little bit more vulnerable than XP users.

Still the best suite there is by some considerable distance though - top notch AM, good HIPS (albeit somewhat restricted in Vista), decent firewall and now sandbox. Can't be beat.

Cheers

[Baz_kasp]

-{ Quote: "Good to hear but different from my experience. Just ran CLT as high restricted with all set to prompt and all pro-active categories selected. Score 160/340.

As for AKLT, failed all except journal record hook.

I'll keep playing with the settings to tighten it up if better scores can be obtained but the average user Kaspersky are targeting will not be able to configure different rulesets to those that come as standard IMO leaving Vista users a little bit more vulnerable than XP users.

Still the best suite there is by some considerable distance though - top notch AM, good HIPS (albeit somewhat restricted in Vista), decent firewall and now sandbox. Can't be beat.

Cheers" }-

You did run the AKLT in the background before starting typing, right?

It will not trigger an alert if AKLT is the window that is in focus. I did try it with an older build and passed all but directx.

[sourav_gho]

-{ Quote: "I have been playing with it all afternoon. Sandbox, HIPS, this is the best suite ever created. The sandbox is what now puts Kaspersky about 2 miles ahead of all the rest. Maybe next year, In-the-Cloud detection to cut down on the sigs, but right now, I am totally frigging amazed at what they have done.:)" }-

HELL YEAH.... WELCOME TO KASPERSKY LABS.......;D 8) :P :thumb:

[trjam]

otay ;)

[raven211]

-{ Quote: "Can pass CLT 340/340 if configured manually (with different rulesets etc) and it passes all AKLT apart from directX under vista AFAIK. Guess there is still room in the API for adding new features :)" }-

Being the serious company they're, I more than believe they will do this kind of improvement. ;)

[raven211]

-{ Quote: "Careful running two HIPS at the same time...might get a bit iffy :-\" }-

Being pretty different in their operation, what would you suggest for the user to do? :)

[chris1341]

-{ Quote: "You did run the AKLT in the background before starting typing, right?

It will not trigger an alert if AKLT is the window that is in focus. I did try it with an older build and passed all but directx." }-

Baz, yes, started AKLT , typed into browser (Firefox) after activating AKLT test so browser was the window 'in focus'. No matter how I changed settings was getting same result.

Could see from your comments and those on Kaspersky forum something was wrong so reinstalled. Much better this time 310/340 for CLT and only Direct X failing AKLT as suggested. I'm sure with some tweaking I can get that even better.

Also tried tteoak this time - passed screen capture and keylogging but not clipboard. Seems to fail Zemana keylogging (it alerts to the various activities but does not flag the app as logging keys) but passes Zemana screen capture. Still, much happier now. Anti keylogging and screen capture in particular much better on Vista in 2010 than in 2009 version along with general HIPS improvements.

Well done to all at KL. I'm sure many still think get they get better protection with a layered approach but if it's all in one you go for there really is no better suite now. It's extremely good.

Thanks for your comments and making me check again.

Cheers

[trjam]

Since I use IE in Kasperskys sandbox always, is there really a need to activate web scanning.

[raven211]

-{ Quote: "Since I use IE in Kasperskys sandbox always, is there really a need to activate web scanning." }-

So... about the Sandbox... is it more flexible than e.g. DW or SandboxIE? I may be wrong, but I don't find it as easy to install new software when running in a sandbox. :)

[trjam]

I am not using it to install software, I am using it for what it was created for. I think it works great. No slow down on opening my web browser.

[icr]

Same here no slow downs with my web browser too.

[raven211]

-{ Quote: "I am not using it to install software, I am using it for what it was created for. I think it works great. No slow down on opening my web browser." }-

Fine. I was only interested I personally install a lot of new software on a regular basis. ;D ;)

[icr]

Just one problem the updates size are quite big ~1 Mb
I updated KIS 2010 for first time and after 30 min i again updated manually and it took around ~1.5 Mb for the update and again now updated manually update size was 1023 Kb??? ???

[xxJackxx]

It looks like this thing is getting some positive comments. I am a former Kaspersky user and have wasted most of a 3 user license for 2009 because it was just too unstable for me. I have been testing this in a virtual machine and it doesn't look too bad, but I haven't used it for more than a couple of hours at a time. Is the 459 build solid enough for daily use or should this still be left to a test machine?

[Baz_kasp]

-{ Quote: "It looks like this thing is getting some positive comments. I am a former Kaspersky user and have wasted most of a 3 user license for 2009 because it was just too unstable for me. I have been testing this in a virtual machine and it doesn't look too bad, but I haven't used it for more than a couple of hours at a time. Is the 459 build solid enough for daily use or should this still be left to a test machine?" }-

Unless anything major is found before release day this is what will be shipping in the boxes (maybe slightly higher build number for localized versions).

There is no official support for it in your country until it is announced on the Kaspersky homepage.

[Coolio10]

-{ Quote: "Just one problem the updates size are quite big ~1 Mb
I updated KIS 2010 for first time and after 30 min i again updated manually and it took around ~1.5 Mb for the update and again now updated manually update size was 1023 Kb??? ???" }-
Yes they are quiet big. I just had one that was 1.5MB even after updating inital installation. Seems they are updating modules often instead of just virus database now. I wish they would create descriptions for all the files updated.
I have no idea what adbu, apu, pas, bss, parctl, and all those others files being updated are. The only obvious ones are pdm, av, and as. What are the update sizes for other AV's like avast or avira?

[xxJackxx]

Running it on a 32 bit Vista machine, looking good so far. How is it running on Vista x64? That's where I ran into problems with the 2009.

[Coolio10]

-{ Quote: "Running it on a 32 bit Vista machine, looking good so far. How is it running on Vista x64? That's where I ran into problems with the 2009." }-
I am on Vista X64. Working fine, although it worked fine on 2009.
Only problem i had with 2009 was the moving notification window.

[NAMOR]

Anyone getting this error when trying the run their browser sandboxed (IE, Firefox, Opera)? I just installed it this morning and haven't had time to read this entire thread or check the K forums. Running on 32 bit Win 7 build 7100 btw.

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[Baz_kasp]

-{ Quote: "Anyone getting this error when trying the run their browser sandboxed (IE, Firefox, Opera)? I just installed it this morning and haven't had time to read this entire thread or check the K forums. Running on 32 bit Win 7 build 7100 btw.

209244" }-

Win7 isn't yet supported....and they havent started open beta testing of Win7 for KIS2010 yet. That will all come in Maintenence Pack 1

[NAMOR]

-{ Quote: "Win7 isn't yet supported....and they havent started open beta testing of Win7 for KIS2010 yet. That will all come in Maintenence Pack 1" }-
Thanks Baz_kas for your reply. That's what I figured anyways... I'm ok with with the sandbox not working as long as everything else is working.

[N2thuWild]

Hi all, I have decided that I would really like to try this new Kaspersky Internet Security; sounds great. My question is... I currently run NIS2009 which I understand I will have to remove of course. I also have GeSWall Pro, Prevx3 paid, WinPatrol and I have SuperAntiSpyware, MalwareBytes on demand. So, would I have to remove any or all of those because some, Prevx, etc., I do not want to part with. Thanks

[xxJackxx]

Well when I got home I decided to install this on my 64 bit machine. It says that the sandbox functionality is limited on 64 bit and Internet Explorer may not function correctly, but aside from that it is running great. I am very impressed. The web scanner was horribly slow for me in the 2009. I can hardly tell I am running anything with this installed. If it is stable I will be keeping it.

[mvdu]

My problem with the KIS web scanner is that it goes to "waiting.." right away when going to a page, but then there's a pause after that before it loads the page.

[sourav_gho]

-{ Quote: "My problem with the KIS web scanner is that it goes to "waiting.." right away when going to a page, but then there's a pause after that before it loads the page." }-
Hi,
I am sorry for the delay for your reply. Could you please upload the traces after compressing it with rar/zip to forum.kaspersky.com or to rapidshare.com and post the link in forum.kaspersky.com(In Beta Testing Section of 2010), the developers are fixing the product for vista sp2, they might fix this issue when they release a new build. If you upload the traces they will be able to track this problem.

[trjam]

why does it take almost 2.5 hours to scan my computer.

[Blackcat]

Lots of archives?

Select "Scan only new and changed files" after your first full scan and the next scans should be a lot faster.

[raven211]

-{ Quote: "Lots of archives?

Select "Scan only new and changed files" after your first full scan and the next scans should be a lot faster." }-

I thought this was still default as it should be their "patented" technology? ???

[xxJackxx]

-{ Quote: "My problem with the KIS web scanner is that it goes to "waiting.." right away when going to a page, but then there's a pause after that before it loads the page." }-

I had that problem badly with the 2009. I am not getting it with the 2010 at all.

[dawgg]

-{ Quote: "My problem with the KIS web scanner is that it goes to "waiting.." right away when going to a page, but then there's a pause after that before it loads the page." }-
Make sure web-AV's settings are at defaults - (in particular, ensure "buffering time" is limited to 1second)

[mvdu]

-{ Quote: "Make sure web-AV's settings are at defaults - (in particular, ensure "buffering time" is limited to 1second)" }-

Thanks, but I did. Web AV level doesn't seem to effect my browsing speed.

[hawkeen]

Hello,

I just bought KAV/KIS 2009 for free after rebate and I was wanting to know if I can upgrade it to 2010?

cheers
Hawk

[Baz_kasp]

-{ Quote: "Hello,

I just bought KAV/KIS 2009 for free after rebate and I was wanting to know if I can upgrade it to 2010?

cheers
Hawk" }-

Codes should be good for 2010, if not then when it is released support will exchange them for you. Version upgrades are free for license duration.

[hawkeen]

Thanks. The 2009 codes do work with 2010 with out a problem.

The problem comes from the performance. I have vipre installed on many of my boxes at home and love it. However, I like having a few boxes with a different AV just in case something goes awry. Kaspersky is killing this box that is a E2200 intel media pc. This is horrible.

I have used Kaspersky on and off for quite a long time and it still seems to suffer from bloat and be slow. Gdata 2010 with 2 scanning engines is MUCH lighter!!!! bleh!

cheers
Hawk

[xxJackxx]

I find the 2010 Waaaay lighter than the 2009. I wouldn't even use the 2009 and had a 3 user license. Which I just renewed to run the 2010. I don't find the sandbox works consistently well but the rest of it seems fine. Also the serial I just bought was for 2009 and it worked just fine.

[hawkeen]

OK. Let me clarify. This is the third time I have had to physically shut down the PC because of KAV2010. I am doing a full scan with default settings on a media pc that has an intel E2200 cpu and 4 gigs of ram. KAV2010 is killing it. It is now frozen and I cannot do anything else. I am using build 459..arg.

[plantextract]

-{ Quote: "OK. Let me clarify. This is the third time I have had to physically shut down the PC because of KAV2010. I am doing a full scan with default settings on a media pc that has an intel E2200 cpu and 4 gigs of ram. KAV2010 is killing it. It is now frozen and I cannot do anything else. I am using build 459..arg." }-
for some reason, in kav2010 the option to concede resources for other applications is disabled, try enabling it (settings>options), and see if it's better now - of course scan will be slower or faster depending on what you are doing with your pc as kav will pause it or slow it down to allow applications to work at their best

[icr]

-{ Quote: "OK. Let me clarify. This is the third time I have had to physically shut down the PC because of KAV2010. I am doing a full scan with default settings on a media pc that has an intel E2200 cpu and 4 gigs of ram. KAV2010 is killing it. It is now frozen and I cannot do anything else. I am using build 459..arg." }-

Hi,
When any application is run for the first time(in KIS envt) its takes time for execution but after that you won't be facing any problems of slow down.

EDIT : Do you have many archive files ?

[hawkeen]

Yes, I have quite a few zip files but on default settings "scan archives" is disabled. Is it a bug?

[subset]

Hi,

when I run CLT with default settings and automatic mode (out of the box settings), then this popup appears.

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Iexplore.exe has no digital signature and a high danger rating... :-*

"-> Yes" - means protection fails
"-> Limit" - IE will be permanently High Restricted with no Internet access
"-> No" - IE will become Untrusted and is not allowed to start anymore.

I've already posted my finding at Kaspersky forums but without serious reply, just - is this the real IE? - or - test in interactive mode. :thumbd:

Is anyone here able and willing to reproduce this problem?

Cheers

[sourav_gho]

-{ Quote: "Hi,

when I run CLT with default settings and automatic mode (out of the box settings), then this popup appears.

209276

Iexplore.exe has no digital signature and a high danger rating... :-*

"-> Yes" - means protection fails
"-> Limit" - IE will be permanently High Restricted with no Internet access
"-> No" - IE will become Untrusted and is not allowed to start anymore.

I've already posted my finding at Kaspersky forums but without serious reply, just - is this the real IE? - or - test in interactive mode. :thumbd:

Is anyone here able and willing to reproduce this problem?

Cheers" }-

Which version of ie r u using... it must be modified(or not ie) because KIS 2010 have massive list of whitelisted applications including those of Microsoft.
I am using ie8 no issues

[Baz_kasp]

-{ Quote: "Hi,

when I run CLT with default settings and automatic mode (out of the box settings), then this popup appears.

209276

Iexplore.exe has no digital signature and a high danger rating... :-*

"-> Yes" - means protection fails
"-> Limit" - IE will be permanently High Restricted with no Internet access
"-> No" - IE will become Untrusted and is not allowed to start anymore.

I've already posted my finding at Kaspersky forums but without serious reply, just - is this the real IE? - or - test in interactive mode. :thumbd:

Is anyone here able and willing to reproduce this problem?

Cheers" }-

1) During which test of CLT?

2) Do you use a skinning pack for Windows?

3) If you click on IEXPLORE.exe in that popup, what details are given?

[3x0gR13N]

-{ Quote: "Hi,

when I run CLT with default settings and automatic mode (out of the box settings), then this popup appears.

209276

Iexplore.exe has no digital signature and a high danger rating... :-*

"-> Yes" - means protection fails
"-> Limit" - IE will be permanently High Restricted with no Internet access
"-> No" - IE will become Untrusted and is not allowed to start anymore.

I've already posted my finding at Kaspersky forums but without serious reply, just - is this the real IE? - or - test in interactive mode. :thumbd:

Is anyone here able and willing to reproduce this problem?

Cheers" }-
No, it's not a problem... CLT modifies IE (in one of the tests) and tries to run it... and KIS warns you accordingly... ;)
After testing put IE in trusted manually.

[subset]

-{ Quote: "
After testing put IE in trusted manually." }-
Even if KIS acts as it should (I doubt that...), as this happens in automatic mode, such things may lead to strange situations with mums and dads.
Will they be able to find this solution without Internet access. ::)

Cheers

[3x0gR13N]

-{ Quote: "Even if KIS acts as it should (I doubt that...), as this happens in automatic mode, such things may lead to strange situations with mums and dads.
Will they be able to find this solution without Internet access. ::)

Cheers" }-
In normal situations (clean machine), such a thing wont happen. If there's an infection, and IE is changed (for malicious purposes), don't you think it's better to restrict IE? :)
And if you ask, "The test reverts the original IE afterward... why doesn't KIS place it in Trusted group?"... do you think malware would revert original IE? ;) I doubt it will. This is just a leaktest afterall.

[osip]

Maybe too lazy for old info, but nevertheless, is KIS 2010 sandboxing a real alternative to Tzuk's Sandboxie ? Compatible or "only one way or the highway"...

[raven211]

-{ Quote: "In normal situations (clean machine), such a thing wont happen. If there's an infection, and IE is changed (for malicious purposes), don't you think it's better to restrict IE? :)
And if you ask, "The test reverts the original IE afterward... why doesn't KIS place it in Trusted group?"... do you think malware would revert original IE? ;) I doubt it will. This is just a leaktest afterall." }-

Wouldn't it be better if it limited on that CLT leaktest, and overall, if such action occurs - atleast on that leaktest, but please mention a situation where this would not be a good choice. :) I just can't seem to figure one which would indeed make such a prompt occur. ::) ;)

[subset]

-{ Quote: "In normal situations (clean machine), such a thing wont happen.
" }-
Are you kidding? I have tested it with two boxes, each with a clean XP SP3 installation, always the same popup.
Instead of throwing smoke balls some gold beta tester should just install KIS and run CLT. ::)

-{ Quote: "
If there's an infection, and IE is changed (for malicious purposes), don't you think it's better to restrict IE? :)" }-
IMHO it would be better to restrict the malicious program and protect the IE from being maltreated. :P

Cheers

[Marcelo]

Anyone else experiencing wierdness in updating?

I'm not referring to the size of the downloads as I've noticed that many modules are receiving frequent updates and this explains the size but to the fact that sometimes an update starts and stops around 50k and will only complete if you manually stop and restart it.

[Baz_kasp]

-{ Quote: "Are you kidding? I have tested it with two boxes, each with a clean XP SP3 installation, always the same popup.
Instead of throwing smoke balls some gold beta tester should just install KIS and run CLT. ::)


IMHO it would be better to restrict the malicious program and protect the IE from being maltreated. :P

Cheers" }-


So put it in interactive mode....it will not get that far.

Automode is a trade off between usability and security, so obviously it cannot block a lot of actions because of the fact that it would "break" many safe apps too.

[3x0gR13N]

-{ Quote: "Are you kidding? I have tested it with two boxes, each with a clean XP SP3 installation, always the same popup.
Instead of throwing smoke balls some gold beta tester should just install KIS and run CLT. ::)

Cheers" }-
Maybe I was unclear... in normal situations (clean machine) IE won't be changed to an unrecognized and non-digitally signed application to begin with, so the popup won't have to appear at all. ;)
(and if you think normal users are using leaktests or that it is considered "normal" and "every day occurrence..."...... :P)
As for the latter see Baz's post.
P.S oh, and -{ Quote: "gold beta tester should just install KIS and run CLT. ::)" }-... we have... and that's why I/we said it's normal. :-*

[xxJackxx]

-{ Quote: "Anyone else experiencing wierdness in updating?

I'm not referring to the size of the downloads as I've noticed that many modules are receiving frequent updates and this explains the size but to the fact that sometimes an update starts and stops around 50k and will only complete if you manually stop and restart it." }-

Nope not having any update problems. Sometimes it is a little slow but no real issues. As a matter of fact I am so pleased with this version that I went ahead and dumped another product to renew this for another year.

[icr]

-{ Quote: "Nope not having any update problems. Sometimes it is a little slow but no real issues. As a matter of fact I am so pleased with this version that I went ahead and dumped another product to renew this for another year." }-
Me too quite impressed with this new version still have 89 days left for my
KIS 09 version:argh:

[stratoc]

-{ Quote: "Anyone else experiencing wierdness in updating?

I'm not referring to the size of the downloads as I've noticed that many modules are receiving frequent updates and this explains the size but to the fact that sometimes an update starts and stops around 50k and will only complete if you manually stop and restart it." }-
i had same problem all the time on clean install, occasionally afteer i installed it over 2009. if i moused overthe icon it said 'updating 0%' when i clicked update center it was hanging, so had to stop and restart and all was well again. the only way i found round this was to turn off auto update and do it manually, now with my memory that's asking for trouble, so as much as i liked the program it's gone for the time being.

[lodore]

I had the updator bug with 2009 version. it had stopped at different percentages in the past.
havent had the issue with kis2010 yet.
dont forget that alot of the 2009 line was made from scratch and the 2010 line has only just gone final. there will be CF's and mp1 to fix the remaining bugs.

[Graystoke]

I had a problem with the updates yesterday. The wife started up the computer yesterday morning, and about five minutes later, I hear her yelling, "there's something wrong with the computer". KIS was in the process of updating, but it was stuck at 0%. I couldn't connect to the internet. I tried doing a restart, but couldn't because everything was frozen. I did a restart at the tower, same situation again. Tried a third time with the same results. Finally uninstalled KIS. Everything back to normal. Not sure I want to reinstall it at this time. Too bad, I was really liking it. :-\

[Baz_kasp]

If anyone has an issue like that which can be reproduced, support->support tools->enable traces, reproduce, disable traces and contact me so I can pass on the trace files to the testing team.

[trjam]

Kaspersky 2010 is very nice with its Sandbox, but that is where it ends. There are so many different roads to go down to check stuff that the average user is really going to be turned off. As far as scanning it totally sucks, yes I said sucks. On my PC which really doesnt have much check out the following screenshots for what I have and how long K says it will take to scan. I have also done this several times and checked scan new and changed files and the best I can get is about a little over an hour. Nope, they really did some good in some areas but, as far as a suite,:thumbd:

[Baz_kasp]

"scanning is dead" and has been for a long time....i don't get why people still make such a big deal out of it. If realtime protection is on why do you still feel the need to compulsively scan every single file on the harddrive, its not like it will turn up anything different to the Realtime protection would if a file decided to execute.... plus it's not like a full scan needs to be done every hour or something so I am pretty sure anyone who really really feels the need to thrash their harddrive for no reason in particular could put up with running it overnight or for a period of time when their pc is not in use..... as you can see KIS doesnt schedule a full scan to run at all because it's not needed....neither is quick scan IMO as realtime proteciton is the thing that matters.

[xxJackxx]

I have very few complaints with the 2010, 1 of them being the Antispam. The preview window that comes up for pop3 accounts (Outlook) only shows 1 email, regardless of how many new emails I have. If I have 5 for example, it will say that there are 5 email total, 1 new, when they are actually all new. This only gives me the opportunity to delete the 1 it considers new while downloading all of the rest of them without getting to preview what they are.

[TJP]

KIS 2010 working great here, without the sandbox browsing enabled.

trjam, a question.

A few pages back you posted: -{ Quote: "I have been playing with it all afternoon. Sandbox, HIPS, this is the best suite ever created. The sandbox is what now puts Kaspersky about 2 miles ahead of all the rest." }- What has changed between then and now?

[trjam]

Time has changed. Dont get me wrong, as I stated there is some really cool stuff in 2010. But the scanning time sucks. And Baz, with all due respect, most average users are going to scan with their AV. I agree with what you are saying but it just hasnt hit mainstream yet with users.

[TJP]

Fair enough trjam.

Full system scanning on my PC is super quick. Was before KIS obtained its iSwift and iChecker data. Same story on my fathers PC.

Again illustrates how no one solution is the "best" for everyone.

Cheers.

[xxJackxx]

Must be some huge compressed file or a lot of them to take that long for a scan. I have about 500GB of data across 2 drives and a full scan took me about a half hour. Though that is on an overclocked quad with 8GB RAM.

[TonyW]

-{ Quote: "
Again illustrates how no one solution is the "best" for everyone.
" }-
This is so true, but I think the trick, if one has the time, is to find out why it's taking so long on his system, and not on others. There has to be a reason surely.

[dawgg]

-{ Quote: "This is so true, but I think the trick, if one has the time, is to find out why it's taking so long on his system, and not on others. There has to be a reason surely." }-
If someone chooses not to use it and not try to figure out why there is a problem and instead chooses to simply use another program, its not a problem.
People are perfectly entitled to use what they want and are not obliged to try to solve any issues if they choose not to :)

[Baldrick]

-{ Quote: "I have very few complaints with the 2010, 1 of them being the Antispam. The preview window that comes up for pop3 accounts (Outlook) only shows 1 email, regardless of how many new emails I have. If I have 5 for example, it will say that there are 5 email total, 1 new, when they are actually all new. This only gives me the opportunity to delete the 1 it considers new while downloading all of the rest of them without getting to preview what they are." }-
Me too in terms of the fact that when installed the 'Spam/ & 'Not Spam' toolbar buttons are missing from OE even though AntiSpam is active and does discriminate between spam and not spam...you just cannot change what has been classified incorrectly if you feel that is the case.

Not good...and there appears no intent on the prt of Kaspersky to aknowledge or resolve the issue. >:(

I should stress that this issue is only affecting some users...not all. :-\

[xxJackxx]

-{ Quote: "Me too in terms of the fact that when installed the 'Spam/ & 'Not Spam' toolbar buttons are missing from OE even though AntiSpam is active and does discriminate between spam and not spam...you just cannot change what has been classified incorrectly if you feel that is the case.

Not good...and there appears no intent on the prt of Kaspersky to aknowledge or resolve the issue. >:(

I should stress that this issue is only affecting some users...not all. :-\" }-

The issue I am having is on 3 machines, so I can't image it isn't just broken. But I know what you mean about not acknowledging the problem as I have posted on their forum too and this is the only reply I have gotten on the subject. :(

[Baz_kasp]

-{ Quote: "The issue I am having is on 3 machines, so I can't image it isn't just broken. But I know what you mean about not acknowledging the problem as I have posted on their forum too and this is the only reply I have gotten on the subject. :(" }-


The testers are reading the forum and they are not obliged to give you an answer if you report a bug. Internal testing/tweaking is ongoing.... unfortunately they do not have time to watch the forum 24/7 as you can imagine...

[xxJackxx]

-{ Quote: "The testers are reading the forum and they are not obliged to give you an answer if you report a bug. Internal testing/tweaking is ongoing.... unfortunately they do not have time to watch the forum 24/7 as you can imagine..." }-

People report bugs in an effort to help make a better product for everyone. I wasn't saying, "Hey fix my problem now", it was more of me wanting to see someone else say, "You're right, that's broken". I work for a software company myself, and can appreciate that the devs are extremely busy. Thanks for the reply.

[Marcelo]

The Automatic updates problens I had are just gone. Probably something they fixed in one of those huge updates of the first days :D

[stratoc]

don't know what the update problem is, uk server maybe?
i tried again after reading your thread still no auto update, my boss also tried it and it didnt work for him either on any setting proxy/ non proxy, start to auto update sticks, manually stop and start again all fine. the worrying thing about this is it thinks it's up to date and it isnt = major problem..

[Marcelo]

In my case they are practically gone after installing Vista SP2 on my machines. Sometimes it still stops in one of the desktops, but the notebooks seem to be OK now.

I think I'll try different servers and see if this reduces the problems.

[stratoc]

i have 32 bit vista sp2 also.

[JerryM]

Is there an estimated date when KIS 2010 will be available to the public?

Thanks,
Jerry

[lodore]

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Thanks,
Jerry" }-
Hey Jerry,
do you mean on the website itself?

[Patrician]

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I agree. Anyway we are all advanced users on these forums, surely a GUI that isn't designed to be sued by a 10 year old isn't a problem?

[jrmhng]

-{ Quote: "Hey Jerry,
do you mean on the website itself?" }-
I believe he means out of beta and as a stable release.

[JerryM]

-{ Quote: "Hey Jerry,
do you mean on the website itself?" }-


Hi Lodore,

Yes I meant on the website. I suspect no one has a date, but was wondering if there is a ballpark estimate.

Hope all is well with you.

Regards,
Jerry

[TonyW]

-{ Quote: "I suspect no one has a date, but was wondering if there is a ballpark estimate." }-Although not mentioned on their site or on the official forums, Network World (http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/061009-latest-kaspersky-suite-overloads-on.html) indicate the product will be available from July.

To be honest, this seems about right. Marketing currently seem to favour a summer release. This is why you'll find the betas finish roughly by May/June; this has certainly been the case over the last few years.

Until marketing change their retail release cycle, I think it's safe to make the guess of the new products being released in the summer months each year. Of course, it may be staggered for regional variations.

[Einsturzende]

http://www.kaspersky.com/news?id=207575837

[vijayind]

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So July 09 it is. ;)
Thanks for the update.

[JerryM]

Thanks,
Jerry

[blacknight]

-{ Quote: "I agree. Anyway we are all advanced users on these forums, surely a GUI that isn't designed to be sued by a 10 year old isn't a problem?" }-


Quote. The current GUI is over redundant, made for very niubbies.