dualbooting Vista and Linux

[demonon]

Hi,

I currently have a internal drive where I have installed Vista on.
I also have a old internal drive which now is used as an external USB HD because I bought a SATA HDD Enclosure. I use it as a external HD for data storage, but I also want to install Ubuntu on it.
How can I make this dualboot possible? I already have one partition for my data and I still have 10 GB unallocated space to create a ext3 file system for Ubuntu.
My second question is how to convert a primary partition to a logical partition. Because everything my computer boots with the external HD plugged in, it won't get past the initial Intel logo. I think this is because the drive is set up as primary.

Thanks for your help,

-Demonon.

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "Hi,

I currently have a internal drive where I have installed Vista on.
I also have a old internal drive which now is used as an external USB HD because I bought a SATA HDD Enclosure. I use it as a external HD for data storage, but I also want to install Ubuntu on it.
How can I make this dualboot possible?

Thanks for your help,

-Demonon." }-
I'm going to assume you want to place Ubuntu on the external drive. First thing to do is wait. The latest version of Ubuntu is due out sometime this month. The beta is already available but I wouldn't advise you to install a beta your first time out.

Once they release 9.04 download it and burn it to a CD. Or, if you don't want to wait, download 8.10 and burn it.

Next, check to see if your BIOS allows you to boot from the external drive. If it does, I'd advise making it the first HD to boot. IOW, the boot order should be set to CD, external drive, internal drive. That way, if anything goes wrong with the install, then all you need to do is unplug the external drive and you are back to booting Windows.

Once you have the BIOS set, plug in your external drive and boot the Ubuntu CD. Choose the first option in the menu and let boot. If it boots without problems, you can proceed by clicking the Install icon on the desktop.

Because you set the boot order to see the external drive first, Ubuntu is going to see it as the main drive. It will see the partition you have been using for storage as the only partition on the drive and will offer you three choices. First choice will be to automatically resize the existing partition and use the space to create partitions for the install. The second choice will be to "Use the entire disk." This will delete the current partition and create new partitions for Ubuntu. The third choice will be to Manually configure the disk.

If you are comfortable using a disk partitioner, then you can choose "Manual" and partition the drive yourself. You will need at least two partitions for Ubuntu. One mounted as "/" and one as "swap."

Once you have chosen one of the above you can proceed with the install. Because you set the external as the first drive, the boot menu will be installed automatically in its MBR and not in the MBR of your internal drive. So, if you boot with the external drive plugged in, its MBR will be used and the Grub menu should apprear when you reboot. Ubuntu will be the first option in the menu and Vista should be the last. But if it isn't or something went wrong in the install, all you have to do is unplug the external drive and your normal Vista boot will occur.

Good luck.

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "Hi,

I currently have a internal drive where I have installed Vista on.
I also have a old internal drive which now is used as an external USB HD because I bought a SATA HDD Enclosure. I use it as a external HD for data storage, but I also want to install Ubuntu on it.
How can I make this dualboot possible? I already have one partition for my data and I still have 10 GB unallocated space to create a ext3 file system for Ubuntu.
My second question is how to convert a primary partition to a logical partition. Because everything my computer boots with the external HD plugged in, it won't get past the initial Intel logo. I think this is because the drive is set up as primary.


Thanks for your help,

-Demonon." }-

I don't understand the question about the problem you are having booting now. Unless your BIOS is set to see the external drive as the first HD to boot, the logical vs primary on it should not matter. You should still be booting to your Vista drive. Please clarify this. And it is the "active" flag that is used to choose which primary partition to boot. But that is only if you have more than one primary partition on the FIRST HD.

[demonon]

-{ Quote: "I don't understand the question about the problem you are having booting now. Unless your BIOS is set to see the external drive as the first HD to boot, the logical vs primary on it should not matter. You should still be booting to your Vista drive. Please clarify this. And it is the "active" flag that is used to choose which primary partition to boot. But that is only if you have more than one primary partition on the FIRST HD." }-

My problem is that if I boot up my PC with the external HD plugged in, it simply won't boot. I will check out my BIOS to further investigate this.

[Shankle]

I would suggest you visit this site: neosmart.net/forums.
I am triple booting and without their help I would not have been able to succeed.
Good luck.

[demonon]

-{ Quote: "I would suggest you visit this site: neosmart.net/forums.
I am triple booting and without their help I would not have been able to succeed.
Good luck." }-

I will check it out, thank you.
I don't have much time during the week and most of the time I catch up on wilders every weekend now and then. I guess I first will wait untill the next version of Ubuntu is out and I guess I will have enough knowledge about dualbooting by then.

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "I will check it out, thank you.
I don't have much time during the week and most of the time I catch up on wilders every weekend now and then. I guess I first will wait untill the next version of Ubuntu is out and I guess I will have enough knowledge about dualbooting by then." }-
I don't understand how being "new smart" helps over being just plain "smart," but if they can explain it any better than I have, then, by all means, check them out.

Edit: Sorry, this post was meant as a response to Shankle and his/her suggestion to check out neosmart.com

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "My problem is that if I boot up my PC with the external HD plugged in, it simply won't boot. I will check out my BIOS to further investigate this." }-
Then it is almost certain that your BIOS is set to boot from the USB drive, if it exist, rather than your internal HD.

Different BIOS chips look at the drives in different manners. Your BIOS may be considering the USB drives as "removable media," IOW, in the same category as the floppy drive or CD drive, and booting to them, when they're found, prior to the HD.

In other BIOS configurations, your USB drive is considered as just another HD and you will be asked to select which one is the first drivel.

[BJStone]

That second hard disk drive in the enclosure: does that have an OS on it besides the :
-{ Quote: "I already have one partition for my data and I still have 10 GB unallocated space to create a ext3 file system for Ubuntu." }-

If not, there's the problem: no OS to boot from...

[demonon]

Ok, I have another question.
When Ubuntu asks me where to install GRUB, tdo I select my main windows partition?
Because if I select to install GRUB to the USB HD, I simply see no GRUB menu.
Even if my boot order is: CD, Removable Media, HD.

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "Ok, I have another question.
When Ubuntu asks me where to install GRUB, tdo I select my main windows partition?
Because if I select to install GRUB to the USB HD, I simply see no GRUB menu.
Even if my boot order is: CD, Removable Media, HD." }-
I don't know about your BIOS, but in most, if you highlight HD and press enter, it takes you to a sub-menu to choose which HD to boot first.

Unless your MB is out of the current mainstream, your BIOS should allow you to boot from the USB in one of three ways. By having "Removeable" ahead of the HD in the boot order, by having "USB ??" as one of the boot options or by having it in the "list" of harddrives and letting you select which harddrive to boot.

If none of those options is available then the only one you have left is to install grub in the MBR of the primary drive. But you'd have a hard time convincing me that that is the case. Personally, I'd spend more time investigating the options in the BIOS till I found the one that caused the machine to boot from the USB drive.

There are ways to restore the MBR if you need to do so. But with the problems you are having, unless you already know how to do that and have the needed CD or DVD handy, I wouldn't advise installing Grub to your Windows drive.

[demonon]

-{ Quote: "
There are ways to restore the MBR if you need to do so. But with the problems you are having, unless you already know how to do that and have the needed CD or DVD handy, I wouldn't advise installing Grub to your Windows drive." }-

I already have my HD + MBR backed up, so I think I can screw around and try stuff.

[Kerodo]

-{ Quote: "I already have my HD + MBR backed up, so I think I can screw around and try stuff." }-
An image of your Win disk/partition is always nice. Then you can nuke everything and restore in minutes...

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "I already have my HD + MBR backed up, so I think I can screw around and try stuff." }-
In an earlier post, you said that if you had your Ext HD pluged in, then Windows wouldn't boot. Now you say that you installed Grub on that HD but when you start the computer you don''t get the grub menu. You have me totally confused.

If, when, you started your computer with the ext HD plugged in and it wouldn't boot, that would indicate the BIOS was setting it as the first HD. (hd0) So, if you booted the CD with the ext HD plugged in, you should have installed Grub in the MBR and it would have used the MBR on the ext HD.

Then, if you removed the CD and started the computer with the ext HD plugged in, you should get the Grub menu. If you started it without the ext HD plugged in, it should boot Windows with no Grub menu.

If, however, you had it install Grub to the "root" partition, then you will never get the Grub menu unless you make changes to the Windows boot loader to place an entry there to "chain" to that partition. Unless you are and expert, don't try it.

Bottom line. In order to tell you where to go from here, we need to know where "here" is, and how you got here. IOW, how did you install Linux? Did you change the BIOS so the Windows would start even with the ext HD plugged in? Or did you leave it as it was? Because the BIOS settings tell the OS which drive's MBR to use when booting. But it also changes which drive is hd0 and which is hd1.

[demonon]

-{ Quote: "You have me totally confused." }-

I am confused as well.

I will wait until Ubuntu 9.04 final is released and then I will try again.
I have 2 days of holidays in a week, so that's plenty of time to figure out what I did wrong and how to make this dual boot work.

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "I am confused as well.

I will wait until Ubuntu 9.04 final is released and then I will try again.
I have 2 days of holidays in a week, so that's plenty of time to figure out what I did wrong and how to make this dual boot work." }-
You need to clear up some of the confusion before you attempt another install. Before deciding how to install, you first have to know how your BIOS boot order functions.

Have you made any changes in the BIOS at all? Do you know how to make BIOS changes? If so, what are your boot order options? If you don't know, its OK. There are other ways to get the job done. But we need to know how best to proceed.

[demonon]

-{ Quote: "You need to clear up some of the confusion before you attempt another install. Before deciding how to install, you first have to know how your BIOS boot order functions.

Have you made any changes in the BIOS at all? Do you know how to make BIOS changes? If so, what are your boot order options? If you don't know, its OK. There are other ways to get the job done. But we need to know how best to proceed." }-

Hello lewmur,

first off all thanks for your effort.
Second, yes, I know how to get into my BIOS and change my boot order.
My boot order is set as the following:
1: My CD/DVD Drive
2: Removable (I hope this is my USB drive)
3: Hard Drive
4: Disabled

I also set my order to boot first from USB ZIP and second one is floppy.
Al though I don't have a floppy drive.

I will get into BIOS and write down every option possible and report back.

Regards,

-Demonon.

[demonon]

Ok this is full picture:

When I plug in my power cabel my computer won't get past the initial Intel logo (it won't load anything) if my external HD is plugged in.
I have to plug it out and then my PC continues booting.

The next time I shut down my PC and then boot again (without plugging in or out the power cabel) my computer boots up Vista.

In my BIOS I can boot from 3 different sources and I can select whether to boot from other boot device.
These are the options: removable, hard disk, SATA CDROM IDE, network and CD/DVDR (to boot from CD)
My boot order is CD/DVDR > removable > hard disk

My removable drive priority is set as following: USB-ZIP0 Generic usb disk first and floppy second (I have no floppy drive)

Hard drive boot priority is set s following: SCSI-0 first and bootable add-in cards second.

[demonon]

I tried to set my boot order as following:
CD/DVD > Removable

I selected NOT to boot from other devices.
I got a message that said that there was no system to boot from.
When in that specific boot order my system wouldn't go past a Intel logo when my HD was plugged in, I had to plug it in after the Intel logo.

It's like my BIOS doesn't like Grub, although I explicitly stated that GRUB should be installed on my external HD; /hda/sde/
Do you think I should have selected a partition instead of /hda/sde/?

Regards,

-Demonon.

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "Ok this is full picture:


Hard drive boot priority is set s following: SCSI-0 first and bootable add-in cards second." }-
Try this. Take the "removeable" drive out of the boot order and make the HD second. Then, under the HD, change the add-in to first and SCSI-0 second.

Then with the external plugged in, power on the machine. Let me know what happens.

[demonon]

I did like you asked, even when disabling boot from other devices there is no sign of GRUB.

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "I did like you asked, even when disabling boot from other devices there is no sign of GRUB." }-
I didn't think there would be. I want to know what did happen. Did it just boot to Vista or did you get an error message? I either case, with that setup, will it boot the Ubuntu CD? All the way to the desktop screen, not just the boot menu?

If so, we are making progress.

[demonon]

-{ Quote: "I didn't think there would be. I want to know what did happen. Did it just boot to Vista or did you get an error message? I either case, with that setup, will it boot the Ubuntu CD? All the way to the desktop screen, not just the boot menu?

If so, we are making progress." }-

I already installed Ubuntu yesterday with GRUB installed on the external HD.
With the external HD plugged in and with the BIOS configured like you asked Vista boots like it boots always. No extra screens, nothing.

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "I already installed Ubuntu yesterday with GRUB installed on the external HD.
With the external HD plugged in and with the BIOS configured like you asked Vista boots like it boots always. No extra screens, nothing." }-
That's fine. We still need to get Grub where it belongs. You need to boot Ubuntu with the CD to do this. And you need to check a couple of things to see what's the best way to do it.

Right now you have Grub installed in the root partition and we need to put it in the MBR of the external drive.

[demonon]

-{ Quote: "That's fine. We still need to get Grub where it belongs. You need to boot Ubuntu with the CD to do this. And you need to check a couple of things to see what's the best way to do it.

Right now you have Grub installed in the root partition and we need to put it in the MBR of the external drive." }-

Ok, I will get my laptop booted up so I can follow your instructions.
I will boot from the live cd now.

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "Ok, I will get my laptop booted up so I can follow your instructions.
I will boot from the live cd now." }-
Once you get the LiveCD booted, click /System/Administration/Partition Editor and tell me what hd's are listed and in what order.

[demonon]

-{ Quote: "Once you get the LiveCD booted, click /System/Administration/Partition Editor and tell me what hd's are listed and in what order." }-

First one is my intern drive. It is called /dev/sda
My external drive is second and is called /dev/sde
I have two partitions on this second drive. /dev/sde1 is a NTFS one.
/dev/sde2 is a ext4 partition with ubuntu on it.
I partitioned them so that ubuntu is first, then I have some room dedicated for swap files and after that the NTFS partition comes.

When I installed GRUB, I selected /dev/sde. I didn't select a partition.

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "First one is my intern drive. It is called /dev/sda
My external drive is second and is called /dev/sde
I have two partitions on this second drive. /dev/sde1 is a NTFS one.
/dev/sde2 is a ext4 partition with ubuntu on it.
I partitioned them so that ubuntu is first, then I have some room dedicated for swap files and after that the NTFS partition comes.

When I installed GRUB, I selected /dev/sde. I didn't select a partition." }-
OK. This tells me that Ubuntu is seeing the internal drive as the first boot drive. So even if Grub is installed in its MBR, the machine won't see it with the BIOS setup we have.

So here is where things get tricky. We have to make the BIOS see the external drive as sda instead of sde or we will be forced to put Grub in the MBR of the internal drive or else modify the Vista boot loader to chain to Grub.

Reboot and enter the BIOS setup again and see if there are any other options under either "removeable," "harddisk" or "other devices" that could possibly be your external drive. Is there possibly a "SCSI 1?" If not, we may just be faced with the fact that your BIOS just doesn't have the option to make the external drive sda.

[demonon]

-{ Quote: "OK. This tells me that Ubuntu is seeing the internal drive as the first boot drive. So even if Grub is installed in its MBR, the machine won't see it with the BIOS setup we have.

So here is where things get tricky. We have to make the BIOS see the external drive as sda instead of sde or we will be forced to put Grub in the MBR of the internal drive or else modify the Vista boot loader to chain to Grub.

Reboot and enter the BIOS setup again and see if there are any other options under either "removeable," "harddisk" or "other devices" that could possibly be your external drive. Is there possibly a "SCSI 1?" If not, we may just be faced with the fact that your BIOS just doesn't have the option to make the external drive sda." }-

Under removable device priority I can set USB-ZIP0 : Generic USB Disk first.
I can't do that with my usb drive unplugged.

Hd priority is set as add-in cards first.
Boot sequence is set has CD/DVD first, Removable second, thirth disabled and boot other devices disabled.
When booting I get an message that there is not system disk.

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "Under removable device priority I can set USB-ZIP0 : Generic USB Disk first.
I can't do that with my usb drive unplugged.

Hd priority is set as add-in cards first.
Boot sequence is set has CD/DVD first, Removable second, thirth disabled and boot other devices disabled.
When booting I get an message that there is not system disk." }-
OK. Your BIOS just won't let us do what we want. So let's see if Vista will.
Check this link (http://neosmart.net/wiki/display/EBCD/Ubuntu) and see if you can use it to add Ubuntu to your Vista boot menu. Scroll down to the part about adding Ubuntu to your Vista menu.

[demonon]

-{ Quote: "OK. Your BIOS just won't let us do what we want. So let's see if Vista will.
Check this link (http://neosmart.net/wiki/display/EBCD/Ubuntu) and see if you can use it to add Ubuntu to your Vista boot menu. Scroll down to the part about adding Ubuntu to your Vista menu." }-

EasyBCD won't let me select the drive where Ubuntu is installed on.
It only let's me choose my internal drive.
I am trying some things ATM.

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "EasyBCD won't let me select the drive where Ubuntu is installed on.
It only let's me choose my internal drive.
I am trying some things ATM." }-
That's wierd. Does Vista see the NTFS partition on the drive? Can you see the drive in Drive Manager?

You said you had the Vista MBR backed up, so maybe its time to face the music and install Grub there. You won't have to reinstall Ubuntu to do that. You can boot the LiveCD and do it in a couple of minutes in a terminal.

I'm worried that if nothing is seeing the external drive as a bootable drive, that if you put grub in the MBR of the Vista drive, you won't be able to boot anything. So be positive that you have the ability to restore the MBR before putting Grub there.

[demonon]

-{ Quote: "That's wierd. Does Vista see the NTFS partition on the drive? Can you see the drive in Drive Manager?" }-

Yes, Vista recognizes and sees all my partitions on my external drive.
My Ubuntu partition is set as primary and active.

[demonon]

Should I get the 2.0 beta?

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "Should I get the 2.0 beta?" }-
2.0 beta of what?

edit: You mean of EasyBCD. I just checked their forum and it seems the problem is with some external drives. Apparently, some are just not bootable. Which would explain why it's not showing in your BIOS options.

It could be that your only solution will be to create a small partition on your Vista drive and install Ubuntu there. When you do that, you can use that partition as "/" the root partition, and choose the external drives partitions as "/home" and "swap." That way you can keep the partition on the Vista drive fairly small.

Vista's Drive Manager has the option to "shrink" the C:\ partitions but, personally, I'd use the Partition Manager on the Unbuntu LiveCD to do it. All you'd need is 5 - 10 gb, depending on the number of apps you wanted installed.

Create the partition first, and then when you install, choose the "manual" option so you can select the new partition on sda as "/" and sde2 as "/home" and the swap partition on sde as "swap." When you choose where to install grub, make it the "/" partition on sda and not the MBR. (sda,1) and not (sda) Then you can use EasyBCD to add it to your Vista boot menu.

[demonon]

-{ Quote: "2.0 beta of what?" }-

EasyBCD

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "EasyBCD" }-Thought so. See the edited portion of my previous post.

[demonon]

Ok thanks, I will try to install Ubuntu on my internal drive since there is no other option.
Thanks for your help Lewmur.

Regards,

-Demonon.

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "Ok thanks, I will try to install Ubuntu on my internal drive since there is no other option.
Thanks for your help Lewmur.

Regards,

-Demonon." }-
You're welcome. Good luck.

[demonon]

-{ Quote: "
Create the partition first, and then when you install, choose the "manual" option so you can select the new partition on sda as "/" and sde2 as "/home" and the swap partition on sde as "swap." When you choose where to install grub, make it the "/" partition on sda and not the MBR. (sda,1) and not (sda) Then you can use EasyBCD to add it to your Vista boot menu." }-

I did what you advised me. A "/" partition on my main drive and "home" on my second one. I also installed GRUB on the "/" partition.
Still, with the help of EasyBCD there comes no extra screen which asks me if I want to boot into Ubuntu. Even if I try installing NeoGrub.

BTW, there is no sign of GRUB in msconfig either.

[demonon]

This is what EasyBCD shows:

There are a total of 2 entries listed in the Vista Bootloader.
Bootloader Timeout: 5 seconds.
Default OS: Microsoft Windows Vista

Entry #1

Name: Microsoft Windows Vista
BCD ID: {current}
Drive: Active Boot Partition
Bootloader Path: \Windows\system32\winload.exe
Windows Directory: \Windows

Entry #2

Name: Ubuntu
BCD ID: {53a07fbf-31ad-11de-9795-001d9220ed48}
Drive: U:\
Bootloader Path: \NST\NeoGrub.mbr

[lewmur]

You don't need NeoGrub. Open EasyBCD, click Add/Remove Entry button and then click the Linux button. Two text boxes should appear with the top one saying Grub. The bottom one where you select the Linux partition. Click the down arrow and select the partition on the first drive that says Linux Native. Now click Add Entry and you are done. Reboot the computer and you should have an option that says NeoSmart Linux. Choose that and it should bring up the Grub menu.

[demonon]

-{ Quote: "You don't need NeoGrub. Open EasyBCD, click Add/Remove Entry button and then click the Linux button. Two text boxes should appear with the top one saying Grub. The bottom one where you select the Linux partition. Click the down arrow and select the partition on the first drive that says Linux Native. Now click Add Entry and you are done. Reboot the computer and you should have an option that says NeoSmart Linux. Choose that and it should bring up the Grub menu." }-

Nope, still absolutely nothing.
Is it wise to check if GRUB is installed correctly to the partition.
Is there a way to install GRUB through the live cd?

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "Nope, still absolutely nothing.
Is it wise to check if GRUB is installed correctly to the partition.
Is there a way to install GRUB through the live cd?" }-
When you say "nothing," do you mean there is no NeoSmart Linux option or that the option doesn't bring up the Grub menu? If the entry is there but doesn't work, then yes, you can boot the LiveCD and use it to make sure Grub is properly installed.

[demonon]

-{ Quote: "When you say "nothing," do you mean there is no NeoSmart Linux option or that the option doesn't bring up the Grub menu? If the entry is there but doesn't work, then yes, you can boot the LiveCD and use it to make sure Grub is properly installed." }-

When I say nothing I mean there comes no menu at all.
My PC boots like it boots without adding Ubuntu in the Grub menu.

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "When I say nothing I mean there comes no menu at all.
My PC boots like it boots without adding Ubuntu in the Grub menu." }-
What Grub menu? You should be looking at Vista's boot menu. Not a Grub menu. Did you use EasyBCD's NeoGrub to create a Grub menu? If so, I'll have to investigate how to back you out of that.

edit: Open EasyBCD. Click the Add/Remove Entries button. A window should open showing the entries in the Vista boot loaders menu. What are the entries? If one of them is NeoGrub, highlight it and click the Remove NeoGrub button. You should be left with two entries. Vista and NeoSmart Linux. Is that what you have?

[Shankle]

The people on the "Neosmart.net/forums" helped me with a triple boot which I would
have never got going without them.
Go into the "Easybcd" section and ask for help. They are knowledgeable and friendly.
Hope this helps you.

[demonon]

-{ Quote: "What Grub menu? You should be looking at Vista's boot menu. Not a Grub menu. Did you use EasyBCD's NeoGrub to create a Grub menu? If so, I'll have to investigate how to back you out of that.

edit: Open EasyBCD. Click the Add/Remove Entries button. A window should open showing the entries in the Vista boot loaders menu. What are the entries? If one of them is NeoGrub, highlight it and click the Remove NeoGrub button. You should be left with two entries. Vista and NeoSmart Linux. Is that what you have?" }-

Sorry I formulated it wrong.
I did what you asked without adding NeoGrub.
EBCD has two options, Vista and NeoSmart Linux, but I don't get any options asking me if I want to boot into Ubuntu.

[demonon]

-{ Quote: "The people on the "Neosmart.net/forums" helped me with a triple boot which I would
have never got going without them.
Go into the "Easybcd" section and ask for help. They are knowledgeable and friendly.
Hope this helps you." }-

Thanks Shankle,

I will check that site out too for more information.

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "Sorry I formulated it wrong.
I did what you asked without adding NeoGrub.
EBCD has two options, Vista and NeoSmart Linux, but I don't get any options asking me if I want to boot into Ubuntu." }-
NeoSmart Linux is the option to bring up the Ubuntu grub menu. When you first turn on the computer you should get a screen saying Vista and NeoSmart Linux. Choose NeoSmart Linux and the Ubuntu boot menu should appear. If you don't get those two choices, run EasyBCD again and make sure the "Timeout" is not set to zero.

[demonon]

-{ Quote: "NeoSmart Linux is the option to bring up the Ubuntu grub menu. When you first turn on the computer you should get a screen saying Vista and NeoSmart Linux. Choose NeoSmart Linux and the Ubuntu boot menu should appear. If you don't get those two choices, run EasyBCD again and make sure the "Timeout" is not set to zero." }-

I should get a screen, but I don't.
Also the timeout is set to 5 seconds.
I also find it strange while EBCD says there are two options, msconfig just says one.

Could you also check if this is how it should be:

-{ Quote: "There are a total of 2 entries listed in the Vista Bootloader.
Bootloader Timeout: 5 seconds.
Default OS: Microsoft Windows Vista

Entry #1

Name: Microsoft Windows Vista
BCD ID: {current}
Drive: Active Boot Partition
Bootloader Path: \Windows\system32\winload.exe
Windows Directory: \Windows

Entry #2

Name: NeoSmart Linux
BCD ID: {53a07fc4-31ad-11de-9795-001d9220ed48}
Drive: U:\
Bootloader Path: \NST\nst_grub.mbr" }-

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "I should get a screen, but I don't.
Also the timeout is set to 5 seconds.
I also find it strange while EBCD says there are two options, msconfig just says one.

Could you also check if this is how it should be:" }-
My NeoSmart Linux entry says the Drive is C:\ rather than U:\ but that hardly matters if the Vista bootloader is not showing the options when you boot. The only thing I can advise at this point is that you increase the Timeout to 15 seconds just to make sure the menu isn't disappearing before you get a chance to make a choice. But I doubt this is the problem. Five seconds should be enough.

At this point, I think you have to go with Spangle's advice and check the EasyBCD forum for why the Vista bootloader options aren't appearing. My experience is more on the Grub side.

[demonon]

I tried installing EasyBCD 2.0 beta and try to dualboot with that.
Guess what, it works!
Thanks again for your help all, I appreciate it.

[lewmur]

-{ Quote: "I tried installing EasyBCD 2.0 beta and try to dualboot with that.
Guess what, it works!
Thanks again for your help all, I appreciate it." }-
Just glad to see you got it working. Enjoy.