DefenseWall saved my bacon:):)

[jmonge]

we invited some friends to our home and one of our guest wanted to check her email;D and when she opened her windows live messenger,she checked her inbox and then my wife's pc got an attack of 754 messages at same time,the destop was full of pop ups:) then she call my wife screaming;D saying a ''virus'',''virus'',''virus''.and i went to the pc and with a click of a mouse right click defensewall and stop attack end of story;) thanks ilya for making such a good familly software,very easy to use and still strong.she has malwarebytes,prevx edge and Defensewall and the one that saved my bacon was defensewall.''good program'':thumb:

[Creer]

DW rocks! No less no more :thumb: ;D

[jmonge]

DefenseWall is a must security program;) i am thinking of getting more copies:) love it man;)

[Ilya Rabinovich]

I'm very glad I could help you. Next time, you may use a hotkey Win-Alt-A sequence, it's even simpler.

[jmonge]

thanks again Ilya:thumb:

[jmonge]

and that was after like 10 seconds maybe if i waited more the pc would be freeze cause when the pop up windows was close it multiplies very fast;D that was a really fast demostration of defensewall's abilities of blocking malware and keeking people happy:)

[docfleetwood]

I have never used DefenseWall so I have a question about this...

(I have read the website and as I understand it, DefenseWall is a hips program.)

When you 'right clicked' defensewall what did you click next? Did you shut down internet traffic? It seems to me that once the 754 messages and popups got through to your computer desktop that they already broke through your security barrier and that all you did was stop MORE attacks. Is that not correct?

I'm not attacking but trying to understand how DefenseWall protected you here.

[jmonge]

it is a policy base sandbox program,and when i right click to stop the attack it actually stop the action of the untrusted attack,the attack was in a virtual enviorment(sandbox)trusted(me) it is seperated from untrusted(virus attack)so untrusted it is limit to damage my pc cause of the separation of such;) the attack was useless againts my system,it was actually stoped by defensewall hips:)the virus attack was stoped at the moment i hit close attack.

[a320ca]

Outstanding! :thumb:

[crofttk]

AND awesome!*puppy*

[LoneWolf]

Thanks for sharing jmonge.
That's the reason why DW is on my pc to stay, strong protection. :thumb:
I may have other programs protecting me, but that's only beacause I believe in a layered approach.
Just in case. ;D

[GES/POR]

Seems more like an unwanted program, joke meaning the virus not dw :)

[Franklin]

jmonge, did you by any chance isolate the malware and possible to grab a sample?

[demoneye]

ilya work hard to improve DW every day , believe me i watch that close.
u all welcome to try the last DW 2.53 pre which is the solidity build ever he made.

good work iilya ! keep the good work up ! 8)

cheers

[crofttk]

-{ Quote: "ilya work hard to improve DW every day , believe me i watch that close.
u all welcome to try the last DW 2.53 pre which is the solidity build ever he made.

good work iilya ! keep the good work up ! 8)

cheers" }-
Well I installed three trials this afternoon and will have three more installed before tomorrow is out! But I'll stick with production for now as it's new to me.*puppy*

[mvdu]

Good program.. really wish I could use it, but still no 64-bit version. :(

[Searching_ _ _]

How can you use DefenseWall to save a malware sample?

[jmonge]

-{ Quote: "jmonge, did you by any chance isolate the malware and possible to grab a sample?" }-sorry i didnt;D

[Franklin]

-{ Quote: "How can you use DefenseWall to save a malware sample?" }-
Really dunno, is it possible to save a malware sample and upload to antimalware vendors to help people (non Wilders and majority) that are only using blacklist security? ???

[Kees1958]

In the category very user friendly security for dumb asses I have tried and tested the combo below as most powerfull yet very easy to use

- DefenseWall paid,
- Avira free (write only heuristics high)
- ThreatFire (with my custom rules for registry startup, outbound and caging chrome)

Second in this category (regarding security, but ranking higher in low CPU, I/O reads) is
- GesWall Pro with internet protection and chrome caged
- Avira free (ditto above)
- Arrovax Shield (oldie to compensate for the entries I have allowed through GW for IE8 )


I have tested a lot, but for normal usage these are about the best combo's for normal usage I can setup with minimal out of pocket cash (new TF does not work nicely with GeSwall anymore).

The first is on the (new) laptop of my wife, the second on the old desktop of my wife, which I am now using, son's Vista 64 gaming is different story.

Cheers Kees.

[Franklin]

Way overkill Kees, Defensewall should see you right through any situation!

My several office setups for other people of Sandboxie, Returnil and ghost images with a save data here folder on another partition has never been compromised with no need to restore from an image as yet.

And trust me those bosses are into some heavy shite after hours. ;)

[Blackcat]

-{ Quote: "In the category very user friendly security for dumb asses I have tried and tested the combo below as most powerfull yet very easy to use

- DefenseWall paid,
- Avira free (write only heuristics high)
- ThreatFire (with my custom rules for registry startup, outbound and caging chrome)
- Browser Defender for IE8 (while doing daily with Chrome)

Cheers Kees." }-

The CPU times of DefenseWall have certainly improved but I/O reads are still high for me.

Is the new version of Threatfire lighter in respect of CPU time/usage?

[Kees1958]

-{ Quote: "The CPU times of DefenseWall have certainly improved but I/O reads are still high for me.

Is the new version of Threatfire lighter in respect of CPU time/usage?" }-

DefenseWall now tickels I/O reads in small increments, so it shpuld not be an issue anymore, also CPU load is low. The new laptop has a Solid State Disk ;D so I/O is a non-issue. Really (OCZ Vertex) Solid State Disk is the best hardware upgrade after extra memory

ThreatFire has low I/o which does grow during usage, its CPU usage is a little more, but also in small increments, so I would be surpised when someone notices its consumption.

Cheers Kees

[Espresso]

It sounds like one of those weird scripts that open dozens of browser tabs/windows via DCOM. I get them occasionally but the last couple times it was stopped by Webroot firewall and Malware Defender. I don't know if it's a known vulnerability but I've seen numerous reports of these popup attacks.

[Lucy]

DefenseWall is great on many aspects:
- the concept:
Ilya has pushed to the limits the concept of policy, applied to the notion of threat gate.
- the user-oriented application:
Ilya answered pragmaticallly to user concerns, either in terms of interactions, friendliness...
- the usability
By defining a tool which can be used out of the box, or without knowing it is even there.

So definitely one of the best if not the best out there at the moment. Basically it does what an antivirus suite does, without the drawbacks and without the limitations.

[Tony]

I have just checked task manager and all seems to be running well concerning cpu usage etc.

When i checked Anvir task manager, Defensewall still seems to be creating a lot of disk activity.

So i looked again in Task manager, enabled column I/O Other Bytes and Defensewall seems to be using a lot of whatever I/O Other Bytes is?

[Kees1958]

I/O other bytes dont hurt (memory cache), so would not worry about it.

[controler]

Trying DW for the first time. It does not appear to be a good idea to click check for update after installing 2.53. I did that and after update, I ended up with version 2.52 LOL
Do I have to uninstall 2.52 & reinstall 2.53 now?

Thanks

con

[twl845]

My OA firewall uses Hips, so if I installed DW, would the two apps conflict or can they exist side by side? :)

[Tony]

-{ Quote: "I/O other bytes dont hurt (memory cache), so would not worry about it." }-


I see.

Thank you :thumb:


-{ Quote: "Trying DW for the first time. It does not appear to be a good idea to click check for update after installing 2.53. I did that and after update, I ended up with version 2.52 LOL
Do I have to uninstall 2.52 & reinstall 2.53 now?

Thanks

con" }-

That is because 2.53 is still a test release.
As 2.52 is the latest stable release then any version other than 2.52 will be updated to that version.

I would not think it will be long before 2.53 is released so it is up to you whether you reinstall 2.53 or stick with 2.52.

You never have to uninstall with defensewall just install over the top and then reboot.

[Creer]

-{ Quote: "Trying DW for the first time. It does not appear to be a good idea to click check for update after installing 2.53. I did that and after update, I ended up with version 2.52 LOL
Do I have to uninstall 2.52 & reinstall 2.53 now?

Thanks

con" }-
You can install pre-2.53 on old version since there is no need to uninstall previous version before installation new one.

[Creer]

-{ Quote: "My OA firewall uses Hips, so if I installed DW, would the two apps conflict or can they exist side by side? :)" }-
Nope, i use that configuration without any single issue :thumb:

[Ilya Rabinovich]

-{ Quote: "TI did that and after update, I ended up with version 2.52" }-
Because 2.52 is the latest official released version. Pre-2.53 is, right now, the final test build. Hope to release it soon if no issues will be found.

[Franklin]

-{ Quote: "
LUA + SRP + ACL
So definitely one of the best if not the best out there at the moment. Basically it does what an antivirus suite does, without the drawbacks and without the limitations." }-
And so how do you isolate and test any malware samples that you may want or need to upload to antimalware vendors?

Wilders folks need to start thinking that Wilders folks are easily and fully protected but through all their security setups which unfortunately don't reflect on the vast majority of inet users.

And yep, I'm as guilty as anybody here..

Think outside the Wilders world for a real world scenario for a change!

[Kees1958]

-{ Quote: "And so how do you isolate and test any malware samples that you may want or need to upload to antimalware vendors? [1]

Wilders folks need to start thinking that Wilders folks are easily and fully protected but through all their security setups which unfortunately don't reflect on the vast majority of inet users.
how much I know on how to be protected. [2]

And yep, I'm as guilty as anybody here..

Think outside the Wilders world for a real world scenario for a change!" }-

AD 1 The only reason I have antivir on my wife's laptop (with defensewall) is to prevent her from spreading malware. Because of DW malware is irrelevant (can't do no harm), but I took this precaution to protect others. Uploading is simple with DW, so I do not get your point.

AD 2, see 1

[Franklin]

-{ Quote: "Because 2.52 is the latest official released version. Pre-2.53 is, right now, the final test build. Hope to release it soon if no issues will be found." }-
Good news Ilya, but noticed a big update a coupla days after I PM'd you those several dozen "virut" samples with no thanks or acknowledgement like I got from all the other vendors?

[Franklin]

-{ Quote: "AD 1 The only reason I have antivir on my wife's laptop (with defensewall) is to prevent her from spreading malware. Because of DW malware is irrelevant (can't do no harm), but I took this precaution to protect others. Uploading is simple with DW, so I do not get your point.

AD 2, see 1" }-
Kees, the only point you've ever got is your own.>:(

[Kees1958]

-{ Quote: "Kees, the only point you've ever got is your own.>:(" }-

Hmm does that hurt, getting your own point? I still have no clue about the point you are making? So please eleborate

[Ed_H]

-{ Quote: "Nope, i use that configuration without any single issue :thumb:" }-

I have that combo running now along with Avira. There is a definite drag on the system. I'll try it without Avira.

Have you done anything special in terms of setup?

[trjam]

you will find out it will speed up. I am really finding a severe drag over time in Avira 9.

[Creer]

-{ Quote: "I have that combo running now along with Avira. There is a definite drag on the system. I'll try it without Avira.

Have you done anything special in terms of setup?" }-
I notice only little (~20-30sec) slow down during boot but this is because Online Armor. I haven't done any special configuration.

[Franklin]

-{ Quote: "Hmm does that hurt, getting your own point? I still have no clue about the point you are making? So please eleborate" }-
No, the only thing that hurts is your constant parroting of is "I know best".

I will elaborate on what I think are excellent security apps with no system drag even though I haven't tried a couple and only going on esteemed members opinions here (excluding you of course):
Sandboxie
Defensewall
Returnil
Shadow Defender
Geswall
And maybe some others?

[Blackcat]

-{ Quote: "No, the only thing that hurts is your constant parroting of is "I know best".

" }-
OT, but a little unfair I think.

Kees's posts/threads have been a lot of help to me and I am sure lots of other members here.

The fact that English is not his first language maybe contributes to your interpretation of his intent. Certainly on my part I hope he continues to post as much as he does at the present time.

[trjam]

Agreed, Kees posts add a lot to this place and his insight is of great value.

[Ed_H]

I also agree..Kees posts are very informative and an asset to the forum.

[Franklin]

-{ Quote: "I also agree..Kees posts are very informative and an asset to the forum." }-
Blimey, where do ya all come from?

[Ilya Rabinovich]

-{ Quote: "Good news Ilya, but noticed a big update a coupla days after I PM'd you those several dozen "virut" samples with no thanks or acknowledgement like I got from all the other vendors?" }-
I can't understand exactly what do you mean, but if I forgot to say "thank you"- I'm terribly sorry. Sometimes happens, I' m just very busy with all this work.

[CogitoErgoSum]

-{ Quote: "Way overkill Kees, Defensewall should see you right through any situation!" }-

Hello Franklin,

Kees and others are entitled to layering security around DefenseWall(DW) for personal or practical reasons. As for me, over the past two years I have tested countless(several hundred) of the nastiest and most destructive malware samples that I could get my hands on to attempt to bypass DW. Not surprisingly, DW has earned my respect and utmost confidence as a stand-alone security application as it has yet to let me down. When all is said and done, I am living proof that with some knowledge and experience, one can safely do away with layered security and be well protected with "only" DW and the Windows firewall.


Peace & Gratitude,

CogitoErgoSum

[fredra]

-{ Quote: "Blimey, where do ya all come from?" }-
I don't think we are going to start anything with this direction.
Kees has always been helpful and is a valuable asset ... end of story.
Lets get back on topic.
Cheers :)

[Lucy]

-{ Quote: "And so how do you isolate and test any malware samples that you may want or need to upload to antimalware vendors?!" }-
Yes, sure. Paying an antimalware program, and afterwards being used by the vendor as a malware collector is certainly a great marketing idea. Especially when eventually you would be infected anyway... For the people wishing to give a hand, welcome.

-{ Quote: "Wilders folks need to start thinking that Wilders folks are easily and fully protected but through all their security setups which unfortunately don't reflect on the vast majority of inet users.

And yep, I'm as guilty as anybody here..

Think outside the Wilders world for a real world scenario for a change!" }-
Guess what, I have no security setup, in the common sense as I have no security program installed. I am just using the features of my OS.
And guess what, I have the impression I go in the right direction for one good reason: all OSes go in this direction, even M$. Strengthening by default, hence preserving usability.

And I can tell you people would feel better in the real world with such a kind of "setup", as my parents who don't know what a virus means, even when they receive infected stuff from their friends; the very same one complaining because they have problems with their computer...

I agree I am promoting something which is not fully understood or known by usual users. But I force nobody to follow my opinion.

Concerning your "personnal attacks" to Kees, it surely doesn't honour you.

And please, when you decide to "help" somebody, don't expect any feedback. It would just prove that you did it for yourslef, and actually not to help. At the end, if a thank comes back, you will receive happily anyway.

[Kees1958]

To Franklin: Ah well everyone is entitled to his/hers opinion. As Blackcat mentiones something may get lost in translation. I did feel you critised Lucy for something I did not understood, I should have kept out of that, Lucy responded adequately.

To others: thanks for the nice words

Cheers

Kees

[demoneye]

-{ Quote: "
- the usability
By defining a tool which can be used out of the box, or without knowing it is even there.

So definitely one of the best if not the best out there at the moment. Basically it does what an antivirus suite does, without the drawbacks and without the limitations." }-

totally true , DEFENSEWALL is the best in the world HIPS out of the box
u can easily install it on any lamer pc , no worry he gona phone u with popup yes/no question :D

[Searching_ _ _]

With DefenseWall, Is it possible to document the changes and Zip/Submit suspect files, not just to Ilya as if some inbuilt funnel, but independantly? Fingerprint and Collect all in one. To tell or not to tell as I see fit.

[twl845]

I'm using Online Armor FW with a Hips feature. Do any users of DW Know if OA and DW can run side by side without conflict of the 2 Hips features in the 2 apps? Thanks :)

[SIR****TMG]

defensewall is great

[1000db]

Although I'm new to these forums I have found Kees posts quite helpful, and while I am not using DW on my home pc (I use DW at my job), I wouldn't hesitate to recommend DW to anybody. One reason is that Ilya regularly communicates with his users.

[Creer]

-{ Quote: "I'm using Online Armor FW with a Hips feature. Do any users of DW Know if OA and DW can run side by side without conflict of the 2 Hips features in the 2 apps? Thanks :)" }-
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1438078&postcount=32
;D

[twl845]

-{ Quote: "http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1438078&postcount=32
;D" }-
Creer, Sorry for the repeated post. At my age I can't remember what I had for lunch sometimes. Thanks for the good news. ;D

[Creer]

-{ Quote: "Creer, Sorry for the repeated post. At my age I can't remember what I had for lunch sometimes. Thanks for the good news. ;D" }-
It's ok :)
Online Armor and DefenseWall - thats my favourite combo ^^

[Threedog]

Ilya has got the hatches pretty well battened down with Defensewall now. Every new version that comes out makes things that much stronger. Now that the skin and with it the skinning issues are gone It is rare that it doesn't play a role in whatever setup I am running at the time.

[jmonge]

-{ Quote: "Ilya has got the hatches pretty well battened down with Defensewall now. Every new version that comes out makes things that much stronger. Now that the skin and with it the skinning issues are gone It is rare that it doesn't play a role in whatever setup I am running at the time." }-this is very true i feel more secure now than ever with this new built plus is faster now:thumb:

[Ed_H]

Online Armor and DefenseWall workiing great together here as well. :thumb:

[twl845]

I just installed DW and for some reason the GUI is missing from the main window. It's just a gray window with the appropriate settings. What should I do to correct it? ??? Will I get the splash screen every time I bootup asking if I want to but it or try it?

[Blackcat]

-{ Quote: "I just installed DW and for some reason the GUI is missing from the main window. It's just a gray window with the appropriate settings. What should I do to correct it? ??? Will I get the splash screen every time I bootup asking if I want to but it or try it?" }-
Program at the present time is skinless.

To get rid of the nag screen you need to make a purchase.

[twl845]

-{ Quote: "Program at the present time is skinless.

To get rid of the nag screen you need to make a purchase." }-
Thanks for the response. I figured I would get the nag screen, but how come there's no GUI? When is it scheduled to make its appearance? :)

[Antarctica]

-{ Quote: "Thanks for the response. I figured I would get the nag screen, but how come there's no GUI? When is it scheduled to make its appearance? :)" }-

There was a bug with the GUI and your best bet to find out when Ilya is planning its appearance is the Official Forum for DW.;)

http://gladiator-antivirus.com/forum/index.php?act=idx

[a320ca]

-{ Quote: "It's ok :)
Online Armor and DefenseWall - thats my favourite combo ^^" }-

Ditto! :thumb:

[Ed_H]

-{ Quote: "I envy you people who don't mind installing security at the cost of having a slower PC.

A real pity computer security is not like real life, where for example you can buy insurance for a car, but it doesn't slow you down at all haha." }-

Let me guess...a Comodo user?

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "I envy you people who don't mind installing security at the cost of having a slower PC.

A real pity computer security is not like real life, where for example you can buy insurance for a car, but it doesn't slow you down at all haha." }-

but in a way it is like real life, like at airports for example.

[Kees1958]

Well actually determing how much strain a program implies on the system is difficult. Most security is implemented at driver level. CPU time is not allways registrated at the correct level by simpel task managers. Also a program using less totall time, but in larger increments can feel slower than a program using more CPU using smaller increments., same with I/O. Then you got the CPU specifics and caches at various levels and devices.

CPU cycle time is still a criteria, but I have tried combo's which reported high efficiency, but felt slower (then combo's using more CPU, I/O) when using on a specific PC. When I first joined Wilders, more experienced members told me to try myself. It was a bit disappointing advice, but after trying I can only say they were right.

Regards Kees

[jmonge]

very soon buddy;) plus with outbound protection:)