Should I get my friend Sandboxie or Geswall???

[cheater87]

I need something that can protect her from malware without confusing her.

[firzen771]

in that case, GesWall wuld probly be easier, u can make GesWall create ZERO popups and its more overall protection, where as i see sandboxie more as just for your browser IMO.

[jmonge]

-{ Quote: "I need something that can protect her from malware without confusing her." }-DefenseWall is her solution;) best of the best pound per pound;D

[petrili]

Hi,
i dont know GesWall but i think that there is nothing confusing about sandboxie. You said that it only makes sense for safer browsing but where do you get your malware from? Browsing?
I am using sandboxie for a while now and can only advise you to have a look at it.

[Boost]

-{ Quote: "I need something that can protect her from malware without confusing her." }-

A vote for Sandboxie :thumb:

[Blackcat]

-{ Quote: "DefenseWall is her solution;) best of the best pound per pound;D" }-
Agree.

So if you are considering a paid for Sandbox, IMHO/IME, Defensewall is much more newbie friendly and gives top-notch protection straight out of the box with no pop-ups. GW and Sandboxie you might have to tighten a few settings after the initial install.

Further, if she is on Vista, then I would definitely recommend DW or Sandboxie over Geswall.

If you do not want to pay, Sandboxie may be the best choice for the average user.

But overall, give her the trial versions to play with and see which one she prefers.

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "Hi,
i dont know GesWall but i think that there is nothing confusing about sandboxie. You said that it only makes sense for safer browsing but where do you get your malware from? Browsing?
I am using sandboxie for a while now and can only advise you to have a look at it." }-

No u can get malware from many other places such as P2P, instant messengers, USB's, etc.

[twl845]

-{ Quote: "DefenseWall is her solution;) best of the best pound per pound;D" }-
Does DW slow down your browser on a cold load up? In other words how many seconds does your browser take to load in DW? SBie and MY FF takes 27 seconds to load together. Aargh

[Ilya Rabinovich]

At my computer, I have 14 seconds delay on trusted FF start and 16 seconds on untrusted one.

[IceCube1010]

You can't go wrong with any of these, DW, GW or SBIE.

Ice

[SIR****TMG]

Defensewall is great

[Creer]

-{ Quote: "DefenseWall is her solution;) best of the best pound per pound;D" }-
+1 here.

[twl845]

-{ Quote: "Defensewall is great" }-
That's basically a hips app isn't it? How does it compare to SBie? :)

[IceCube1010]

-{ Quote: "That's basically a hips app isn't it? How does it compare to SBie? :)" }-

Mostly a hybrid. Policy Sandbox and hips. You get the best of two worlds. I don't use it myself only because I'm comfortable with SBIE and Avira. But I did try it at onetime and liked it.

Ice

[ratchet]

Never had a popup with Sb!

[jmonge]

-{ Quote: "Does DW slow down your browser on a cold load up? In other words how many seconds does your browser take to load in DW? SBie and MY FF takes 27 seconds to load together. Aargh" }-it is very fast here the fastest;) version ever:)

[jmonge]

-{ Quote: "At my computer, I have 14 seconds delay on trusted FF start and 16 seconds on untrusted one." }-running DefenseWall alone it is only 3 seconds;)

[Ed_H]

-{ Quote: "Does DW slow down your browser on a cold load up? In other words how many seconds does your browser take to load in DW? SBie and MY FF takes 27 seconds to load together. Aargh" }-

I have the same results as Ilya...14 seconds without DW and 16 seconds with DW.

[cheater87]

How are the free versions of Geswall and DW???

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "How are the free versions of Geswall and DW???" }-

ther is no free version od defensewall, but GesWall free isnt that bad, it does basically what u need.

[jmonge]

-{ Quote: "How are the free versions of Geswall and DW???" }-
the free version of geswall does not terminates apps in real time,only like if you reboot then it will be just find if you ever get infected with a reboot and a virus scan should be just find;D
with defensewall can terminates malware in real time,one process or all processess at same time with the red bottom close attack and do not need to reboot

[muf]

-{ Quote: "Does DW slow down your browser on a cold load up? In other words how many seconds does your browser take to load in DW? SBie and MY FF takes 27 seconds to load together. Aargh" }-

After reboot, clicked on FF icon and it took 12 seconds to get FF up and running. Coupled with DW and SBIE, this also includes Ad muncher, Browser Sentinel and Prevx Edge all running realtime. I'd say no unreasonable slowdown.

muf

[twl845]

I don't see too many comments about Geswell. I accessed their web site, and it appears to be a good app to protect your browser, e-mail, etc. Has anyone traded SBie in for Geswell? Is Geswell easy on resources? I am using SBie and am wondering if Geswell is as good, although different. I could install it on a different snapshot to try it, but there's nothing like input from folks who are using it. I think I'm still on topic... :)

[LagerX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBKNHBl-yos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GueXMq-Vyi8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IbwhE-r8_k

These videos may interest you :)

[twl845]

-{ Quote: "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBKNHBl-yos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GueXMq-Vyi8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IbwhE-r8_k

These videos may interest you :)" }-
Thanks for the videos. They shed alot of light. What about users opinions as to whether anyone has gone as far as replacing SBie in favor of Geswall? :)

[AndyXS]

Personally having tried both.
GesWall is far better :)

[trjam]

GesWall, hands down.;)

[cheater87]

I see in the video after getting the infected files blocked the icon in still on the desk top. what does this mean???

[jmonge]

-{ Quote: "I see in the video after getting the infected files blocked the icon in still on the desk top. what does this mean???" }-the icon is there but it is useless and when terminated was gone very easy with a mouse click ,can you do that with out geswall with one click?;) ;D it was in a virtual enviorement:)

[cheater87]

Can the free version do that??? How safe is that compared to the pay one???

[jmonge]

-{ Quote: "Can the free version do that??? How safe is that compared to the pay one???" }-free version of geswall?no can not terminate nothing but a nice reboot will save your bacon;) cause malware still blocked

[jmonge]

-{ Quote: "Can the free version do that??? How safe is that compared to the pay one???" }-
look at this info:

http://gentlesecurity.com/professional.html

[innerpeace]

What does your friend do with her computer?

Sandboxie is excellent, but a user needs to understand it's limits. What stays in the sandbox is safe and what you remove needs to be 99% trusted. That's why I scan everything I remove with 3 updated scanners and/or upload it to VT or Jotti. If your friend is a downloader then Sbie isn't for her unless she is disciplined.

[jmonge]

-{ Quote: "What does your friend do with her computer?

Sandboxie is excellent, but a user needs to understand it's limits. What stays in the sandbox is safe and what you remove needs to be 99% trusted. That's why I scan everything I remove with 3 updated scanners and/or upload it to VT or Jotti. If your friend is a downloader then Sbie isn't for her unless she is disciplined." }-which one is more updates jjotti or virus total to use to analize viruses?thanks

[innerpeace]

-{ Quote: "which one is more updates Jotti or virus total to use to analize viruses?thanks" }-
I honestly don't know. I usually go to VT most of the time and if it's busy I go to Jotti. I do think VT has a larger number of scanners. I also scan with my Avira paid, MBAM and SAS free versions. It's not 100% but it's the best I can do with my knowledge.

[bellgamin]

If your friend is a "he" I would choose SBIE any day. Main reason -- SBIE's support is superb, but seldom needed. GesW's support is sketchy.

If your friend is a "she" -- as between SBIE or GesW, I would get her a 2009 model Mercedes -- it will earn you much warmer appreciation.

[cheater87]

My friend surfs the web and goes on random sites. Her anti virus is out of date and shes stuck with dial up also. Can I put the exe file on a flash drive and put it on her laptop that way???

[jmonge]

-{ Quote: "I honestly don't know. I usually go to VT most of the time and if it's busy I go to Jotti. I do think VT has a larger number of scanners. I also scan with my Avira paid, MBAM and SAS free versions. It's not 100% but it's the best I can do with my knowledge." }-cool;) thanks for info

[innerpeace]

-{ Quote: "My friend surfs the web and goes on random sites. Her anti virus is out of date and shes stuck with dial up also. Can I put the exe file on a flash drive and put it on her laptop that way???" }-
Yes you can download a program and copy it to your usb and then copy it to her machine and then install it.

If she needs an AV, Avast and Avira free are both good.

Edit: If either of your machines are infected you can share malware with a usb drive. I trust you know how to protect yourself from usb infections.

[twl845]

Can Geswall run alongside Shadow Defender with out conflicts?

[Saraceno]

Agree with bellgamin, she would love a mercedes. Honestly, most women don't care for security programs. Anytime I've spoken to a woman about 'getting better security on her laptop etc', any brownie points I thought I had, I've lost.

Look at the number of women vs men on security sites. Most likely 1 for every thousand dudes. Most just want to log on to facebook, download free songs for their ipod, and look at tmz.com.

Avira or Avast as the AV. I like how Avast goes crazy with sounds when a virus has been found.
Prevx edge as another layer cause it's so simple, and it's colour coded so even your grandma would know what to do.

For a guy, yeah I'd pick defensewall or geswall in a second. :)

[trjam]

-{ Quote: "Can Geswall run alongside Shadow Defender with out conflicts?" }-
I had some low memory issues with that combo.

[cheater87]

I'm going to buy a cheap flash drive, load the exes on and give it to her after everything is set up.

[twl845]

-{ Quote: "I had some low memory issues with that combo." }-
How much RAM do you have? I have 1GB. I've run SBie and SD together without any memory issues. Thanks for the response. :)

[arran]

-{ Quote: "-{ Quote: "Hi,
i dont know GesWall but i think that there is nothing confusing about sandboxie. You said that it only makes sense for safer browsing but where do you get your malware from? Browsing?
I am using sandboxie for a while now and can only advise you to have a look at it." }-
No u can get malware from many other places such as P2P, instant messengers, USB's, etc." }-


firzen771 sandboxie isn't only for browsing you can also create more sandboxes
and run P2P apps and instant messengers programs inside sandboxie

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "firzen771 sandboxie isn't only for browsing you can also create more sandboxes
and run P2P apps and instant messengers programs inside sandboxie" }-

i know u CAN, but i never found it as useful and convenient for that compared to something like Defensewall or GesWall which are specifically made to be used system wide with everything.

[cheater87]

I can not use Sandboxie and Geswall at the same time. Says something about the Winsock. How can I solve this???

[LoneWolf]

-{ Quote: "I can not use Sandboxie and Geswall at the same time. Says something about the Winsock. How can I solve this???" }-

I would advise against using those two together.
I had a bad experiance trying that combo out.
Screwed up my pc.

[twl845]

-{ Quote: "I can not use Sandboxie and Geswall at the same time. Says something about the Winsock. How can I solve this???" }-
After reading this thread, I became interested in trying Geswell. I booted to one of my FD-ISR snapshots and uninstalled SBie and installed Geswall. I am in the process of wading through their PDF guide, while using GW at the same time. I'm liking it. ;D

[jmonge]

-{ Quote: "I would advise against using those two together.
I had a bad experiance trying that combo out.
Screwed up my pc." }-
i had horrible experiences with geswall and install alone in a clean format pc,geswall does not like my xp2:)

[twl845]

-{ Quote: "i had horrible experiences with geswall and install alone in a clean format pc,geswall does not like my xp2:)" }-
After 24 hours on my computer, it is doing well. I am using XPsp3 if that makes a difference. :)

[jmonge]

-{ Quote: "After 24 hours on my computer, it is doing well. I am using XPsp3 if that makes a difference. :)" }-maybe:)

[chrome_sturmen]

I am running sandboxie with geswall and everything's running just fine. Sandboxie has my browser sandboxed, and geswall is protecting yahoo, email, and a couple other internet-facing apps. But even when I tried protecting opera with geswall in addition to sandboxie just for playing around, I must report that opera still ran light as a feather and speeds were unaffected.

That's my take on the sandboxie + geswall combination. On my system they seem to compliment one another well.

edit= windows server 2003 sp2, geswall pro, sandboxie 3.31 paid.