Avira AntiVir 9 released!

[Cutting_Edgetech]

Avira AntiVir 9 was released! Does anyone have any screen shots? How long has it been released? Has anyone used it yet? Is it stable?

[firzen771]

its been out for a couple days now i believe, its very stable and look essentially the exact same as v8, just a few more options in config maybe.

[Cutting_Edgetech]

I'm happy with V8 so i guess i will stick with V8 for a while. I was hopping to see a few changes with the GUI. I am interested in knowing what config changes were made. I usually give a new version time to have any possible bugs ironed out anyways. Not saying there are any significant bugs. Thanks for the info.

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "I'm happy with V8 so i guess i will stick with V8 for a while. I was hopping to see a few changes with the GUI. I am interested in knowing what config changes were made. I usually give a new version time to have any possible bugs ironed out anyways. Not saying there are any significant bugs. Thanks for the info." }-

not bugs ive experienced yet, but i think this is a vital upgrade, MANY improvements under the hood which make v9 much stronger.

[Boost]

Installed and running with no problems here on Windows XP SP3. Will configure it's settings later :thumb:

[strangequark]

no problems here on 2 vista machines.

[firzen771]

Avira in my experiences has a tendency to make very good final released (hell even betas) that are pretty much bug free, leats for the most part.

[tonyf1971]

UP and running on my XP netbook all good so far :)

[Osaban]

The upgrade started automatically on my system and went well without any interruptions (except for rebooting the system).

At first when the program suggested a full system scan, it got stuck at around 20%. Unchecking in Configuration\Scanner\Scan\Additional settings "Integrity checking of system files" and "Follow symbolic links", allowed the scan to complete. Doing further scans, they seemed to complete even with these settings checked.

After uninstalling the MailGuard from setup.exe in the avira installation folder(I don't need it), it also deleted all my previous configuration (particularly the time consuming Exception list of file objects).

The program seems lighter than the previous version even though it offers more features.

I forgot to mention that I'm running Vista Ultimate32, and after changes to the configuration UAC doesn't prompt anymore to apply for changes as in the previous version.

[clocks]

free version updated also?

[Trespasser]

-{ Quote: "free version updated also?" }-

Yes.

Avira is simply great.

[Rain_Train]

Here (http://www.avira.com/en/company_news/avira_antivir_9.html) is what Avira has to say about version 9. Cnet's Download.com also wrote an article, found here (http://download.cnet.com/8301-2007_4-10198484-12.html?tag=contentBody;photoPromoMain). You can also download the free version 9 from there (http://download.cnet.com/Avira-AntiVir-Personal-Free-Antivirus/3000-2239_4-10322935.html) as well. That's where I downloaded mine earlier this morning (as the Avira website was very slow to load – probably getting hit hard from all the eager users ;D ) and it is indeed the new version 9. I've installed it and it works like a charm; light and efficient at doing its job. :thumb: .

[Arup]

Update went smoothly, runs as good as usual with typical Avira precision, I have noticed it to be slightly lighter than the version 8 but its too early to tell.

[IceCube1010]

Running smooth as silk with SBIE.

Ice

[Securon]

Good Evening! Just installed Version 9. Absolutely Marvelous. No problems encountered...as advertised...runs like silk! Cheers...Securon

[iwod]

1. It does have some small changes to GUI. Mainly the banner logo and some icons.
2. It is speedier then before.
3. Anti - Spyware Protection for FREE!!!!!!!!!!
4. Slightly Less resources - I said slightly because AntiVir is already so light i dont feel any difference at all. Although it is definitely lighter on Process Explorer.

Anything else i miss?

[Dr33]

I just bought 3 PC 2 years looks nice but it found 2 FP hope they fix soon ;D

Edit: Premium Security Suite

[gud4u]

Flawless prompted auto-install with no license hassles.

The only operations I had to do were check/change configuration defaults and set up new profile icons.

System scan, rootkit scan and manual update speeds seemed about the same as previous version.

An impressive application-update experience.

[boonie]

Smooth update, no problems. Runs a bit lighter than v. 8 here.

Ran a system drive scan with system file integrity checking enabled. Ran quickly on 4 cores.

While installing, I enable the option to start Avira as soon as possible, and despite the warning that it may prolong the boot process, I didn't notice any difference.

I haven't noticed the WSCTool starting up every few minutes in this version.

[bellgamin]

I am running Avira Premium (paid version) but it has not updated to version 9. When I click "Update Now" it tells me that I am fully up to date.

What gives? Can I (should I) update manually? :(

[boonie]

-{ Quote: "I am running Avira Premium (paid version) but it has not updated to version 9. When I click "Update Now" it tells me that I am fully up to date.

What gives? Can I (should I) update manually? :(" }-

You could download the installer from here:
http://www.avira.com/en/downloads/download_personaledition_premium.html
and run it.

It should offer to uninstall the previous version first, reboot, and continue with the install.

[cupez80]

can i do manual update from .zip file with AVIRA 9 ?

[Legendkiller]

just one question is avira free on par with avg and avast's free version....i mean i hope avira haven't disabled any good feature from their pro version...
i am currently using avast...

[Arup]

Avast free is far more full featured, AVG free uses older engine if I am not mistaken. In terms of detection none come close to Avira and now with anti spyware module added, it makes for an excellent free offering as well.

[Arup]

-{ Quote: "I am running Avira Premium (paid version) but it has not updated to version 9. When I click "Update Now" it tells me that I am fully up to date.

What gives? Can I (should I) update manually? :(" }-


Bellgamin,

You need to be in admin account for that update to happen.

[ankupan]

Hi,

Any screenshot for this new version 9 ?

[RejZoR]

I've posted screenshots in the antivirus screenshots thread.
You can check them out there.

EDIT:
Are there any plans to include dual core scan optimization fr on-access Guard too?
First i expected this feature for Guard, but now i see it's only available in on-demand scanner.

[EASTER]

I like it!

It's smoother on the system overall and is still on par with reasonable detections and capture screening of potential files depending on your personal settings.

Gave me no problems except took a couple of reboots to settle all it's componants in place, and that's usually what i expect anyway on a new release with improvements.

With this and NOD at the helm, i purpose to increase the percentages of overall protection, especially given the fact it runs ABSOLUTELY PERFECT with both MAMUTU & EQS (HIPS).

Good job. Nothing out of the ordinary yet, really stable and steady on my old XP Pro system.

EASTER

[Kees1958]

-{ Quote: "I like it!

It's smoother on the system overall and is still on par with reasonable detections and capture screening of potential files depending on your personal settings.

EASTER" }-

Reasonable? I have tested the beta 4 times with zero day malware samples. With the heuristics set to high (I have check on write only, so do not care for a FP on new arrivals), the detection rate varied between 85 and 93 percent.

I think that is amazing for 'traditional blacklist' technology :thumb:

[GES/POR]

But then again Avira is hardly traditional

[EASTER]

Reasonable equals meeted expectations in my terms :thumb:

So indeed it meets and hopefully exceeds all other expectations as i run it thru the net mud this week and come out on the other end squeaky clean. ;D

[xpsunny]

Hi.....does Avira notify about the removal of malware. (a small box at the right bottom of screen)...if the actions are set to fully automatic?

[bellgamin]

-{ Quote: "You could download the installer from here:
http://www.avira.com/en/downloads/download_personaledition_premium.html
and run it.

It should offer to uninstall the previous version first, reboot, and continue with the install." }-Thanks for the link! I downloaded & installed ver 9 as smooth as silk.

[PaulBB]

-{ Quote: "Hi,

Any screenshot for this new version 9 ?" }-


http://i39.tinypic.com/29p5eo9.png
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[MrGSM]

What about other languages? French for exemple? When it's going to be the release?

[EASTER]

I thinks many will be pleasantly pleased with this latest new release. It's everything i always wanted an AV to be many moons ago.

Thanks Avira for finally stopping that annoying sound effect at random intervals and featuring our own wav alert for suspicious files/actions.

A Jolly good return.

[Bunkhouse Buck]

Running great with no issues on Vista 64-bit and XP Pro SP3. They have consistently produced a fine product. :thumb:

[boonie]

-{ Quote: "Thanks for the link! I downloaded & installed ver 9 as smooth as silk." }-
:thumb:

Edit: So I ran Process Monitor for about 5 minutes, and it does seem that although WSCTool (avwsc.exe) is still present, it doesn't start up every two minutes. So thanks to Avira for changing that.

[coloriteman]

Wow Avira 9 now has Antispyware and adware scanning options . I think it will be better than AVG for this reason .

[RejZoR]

This was one of the major downsides of AVIRA. There are still others but this one was the most important.

[Rules]

-{ Quote: "What about other languages? French for exemple? When it's going to be the release?" }-


I actually have v8 installed in french, i think local version will be avaible very soon

Regards (choucrane)

Rules

[GWA]

Upgraded to Premium Security Suite 9 last night. Perfect installation, runs smoothly. (Win XP SP-3 with Prevx Edge and HP Hosts File)

[Rules]

-{ Quote: "What about other languages? French for exemple? When it's going to be the release?" }-


http://forum.avira.com/wbb/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=85244


Rules.

[MrGSM]

Thanks Rules...
What about occupation memory and CPU?

[PROROOTECT]

I have no changes in Memory Use of two processes of Avira ...

Welcome for 11 GOOD hooks SSDT from our new Avira 9(Antirootkit part)!:argh: (before: 5).

Single window 'Detection'! ... is AFTER the scan. OK.!

My Avira Configuration is in Expert mode (all notched, High).

In my Windows XP SP2 Professional, Intel Core2 CPU 6300:

Scanned files: 162006;

Time elapsed: 10:25.

Marvellous!

'WHICH NASTY DO YOU WANT TO KILL TODAY?':argh:

[Rules]

-{ Quote: "Thanks Rules...
What about occupation memory and CPU?" }-

A bit lighter for both.

Rules

[trjam]

I think Version 9 uses 1 fewer process.

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "Hi.....does Avira notify about the removal of malware. (a small box at the right bottom of screen)...if the actions are set to fully automatic?" }-

u can set it to be either interactive (alerts u on what to do) or fully automatic, u can change it all in the config.

[Ocky]

I have just updated to v 9 and have these observations.....
When doing a system scan from the Overview section, the report shows the following discrepancies to what was set in the
configuration:-
Integrity checking of system files was done. (not ticked in config).
File scan heuristics = medium. (set to high in config).
Search for Rootkits was done. (not ticked in config).
As regards the Search for Rootkits (hidden objects) nothing is found in the system scan from the Overview section,
but when done on its own (local protection>scanner>rootkit search) it finds 1 hidden object (false positive reported here
some time ago).
Uninstall left many registry entries, mainly SYSTEM\ControlSet\xxx

Also, simply deactivating the webguard causes the umbrella to close (even on reboot). It has to be removed via
Add/Remove Progs. (Change). No improvement here. Splash screen on booting.

Regards

[blacknight]

I can't update Avira 9 ( Personal edition ). I uninstalled the previous version and cleaned my system before installing it, I gave all the permission requested to update it but it can't. Simply the updating process doesn't start. No alerts, nothing.

[Arup]

-{ Quote: "Running great with no issues on Vista 64-bit and XP Pro SP3. They have consistently produced a fine product. :thumb:" }-

Couldn't agree more.

[PaulBB]

-{ Quote: "I can't update Avira 9 ( Personal edition ). I uninstalled the previous version and cleaned my system before installing it, I gave all the permission requested to update it but it can't. Simply the updating process doesn't start. No alerts, nothing." }-

Try Avira RegistryCleaner 7.0.0.8 (http://www.freewaregeeks.com/index.php?page=detail&get_id=1032&category=59), worked for me.

[IceCube1010]

Running great here but I am getting this detection:

NOT signed -> 'C:\WINDOWS\explorer.exe'
[DETECTION] Contains HEUR/Modified.SystemFile suspicious code

I'm using WinXP pro sp3 with the vista brico pack. I have Heuristics (high) and Integrity checking of system files. Could the bricopack make this happen?

Ice

[boonie]

-{ Quote: "Running great here but I am getting this detection:

NOT signed -> 'C:\WINDOWS\explorer.exe'
[DETECTION] Contains HEUR/Modified.SystemFile suspicious code

I'm using WinXP pro sp3 with the vista brico pack. I have Heuristics (high) and Integrity checking of system files. Could the bricopack make this happen?

Ice" }-
I have the same XP service pack and the same Brico pack (small world) and have received the same warning. I know Brico does modify a number of system files, including Explorer.

[boonie]

-{ Quote: "I have just updated to v 9 and have these observations.....
When doing a system scan from the Overview section, the report shows the following discrepancies to what was set in the
configuration:-
Integrity checking of system files was done. (not ticked in config).
File scan heuristics = medium. (set to high in config).
Search for Rootkits was done. (not ticked in config).
As regards the Search for Rootkits (hidden objects) nothing is found in the system scan from the Overview section,
but when done on its own (local protection>scanner>rootkit search) it finds 1 hidden object (false positive reported here
some time ago).
" }-

That's not good. Anyone else seeing this?

I've run a complete system scan from Overview, and a scan of my system drive from Local Protection. In both cases I checked, and then unchecked Integrity Checking and Rootkit Scan. Options were correctly executed in each case.

Received the same 2 false positives in each scan.

Deactivating any of the Guards now causes umbrella to close.

Although Avira does not put a shortcut in the Start menu, running Setup.exe from the Avira folder will allow you to uninstall using Avira uninstaller.

Backed up profile with FD-ISR and gave it a try.


Ran Setup.exe to uninstall. Rebooted.

No folders left afterwards.

Found 5 reg keys remaining:

My Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Enum\Root\LEGACY_ANTIVIRSCHEDULERSERVICE\0000

My Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet003\Enum\Root\LEGACY_ANTIVIRSCHEDULERSERVICE\0000

My Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Enum\Root\LEGACY_ANTIVIRSCHEDULERSERVICE\0000

My Computer\HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-21-1547161642-1645522239-839522115-1003\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MenuOrder\Start Menu2\Programs\Avira

My Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MenuOrder\Start Menu2\Programs\Avira

[blacknight]

-{ Quote: "I have the same XP service pack and the same Brico pack (small world) and have received the same warning." }-

I too: XP SP3, BricoPack and same alert.

[IceCube1010]

-{ Quote: "I have the same XP service pack and the same Brico pack (small world) and have received the same warning." }-

I believe the Brico packs modify some of the system files to make our pc's look good. FP. Since the Heuristics detected this, Avira dosen't need to be concerned with it.

Ice

[blacknight]

-{ Quote: "Try Avira RegistryCleaner 7.0.0.8 (http://www.freewaregeeks.com/index.php?page=detail&get_id=1032&category=59), worked for me." }-


Thanks, I'll try it. ;) But I wait for read if it could be a version bug. I'm bored to uninstall, install, restore a previous disk image...

[boonie]

-{ Quote: "I believe the Brico packs modify some of the system files to make our pc's look good.

Ice" }-

Almost 100 files. If you go to :

C:\WINDOWS\BricoPacks\SysFiles

you can find the backups of them.

[rookieman]

The Premium upgraded on my Vista fine.I installed the freebie on one of my son's computers and that went fine as well.But when it came time for me to install it on another computer things went awfully wrong.I shut off the realtime protect from the tray and tried to uninstall using add & remove and it wouldn't uninstall!It also keep a file in c: program files and wouldn't let me delete it either.I had to run their registry cleaner to get rid of the mess I made.Did I do something wrong with this last uninstall?

[Mongol]

Running buttery smooth here along with Prevx Edge...:thumb: ;D

[Leo2005]

-{ Quote: "I believe the Brico packs modify some of the system files to make our pc's look good. FP. Since the Heuristics detected this, Avira dosen't need to be concerned with it." }-
well this is no heuristik detection. this detections checks for microsoft signature. and if modified the file is alerted. disabling integrity check of systemfiles could help, if you're scanning with a other scan profile then the system scan.

[RejZoR]

I see no reason to monitor XP visual styles files, because to be honest, huge majority of users are using hacked version so they can use other themes.

[IceCube1010]

-{ Quote: "well this is no heuristik detection. this detections checks for microsoft signature. and if modified the file is alerted. disabling integrity check of systemfiles could help, if you're scanning with a other scan profile then the system scan." }-

The only reason I thought this might be Heuristic detection is from the info:
NOT signed -> 'C:\WINDOWS\explorer.exe'
[DETECTION] Contains HEUR/Modified.SystemFile suspicious code

Ice

[Ocky]

-{ Quote: "I have just updated to v 9 and have these observations.....
When doing a system scan from the Overview section, the report shows the following discrepancies to what was set in the
configuration:-
Integrity checking of system files was done. (not ticked in config).
File scan heuristics = medium. (set to high in config).
Search for Rootkits was done. (not ticked in config).
As regards the Search for Rootkits (hidden objects) nothing is found in the system scan from the Overview section,
but when done on its own (local protection>scanner>rootkit search) it finds 1 hidden object (false positive reported here
some time ago).
Uninstall left many registry entries, mainly SYSTEM\ControlSet\xxx" }-

-{ Quote: "That's not good. Anyone else seeing this?

I've run a complete system scan from Overview, and a scan of my system drive from Local Protection. In both cases I checked, and then unchecked Integrity Checking and Rootkit Scan. Options were correctly executed in each case." }-

The discrepancies mentioned only occur when a (full) system scan is run from Overview section.??? When run from local protection all the configs set
are reflected correctly in the report (and were scanned accordingly).

The 'orphaned' reg entries found will depend on the reg scanner used.
Will check again tomorrow after booting.

[Leo2005]

-{ Quote: "The only reason I thought this might be Heuristic detection is from the info:
NOT signed -> 'C:\WINDOWS\explorer.exe'
[DETECTION] Contains HEUR/Modified.SystemFile suspicious code

Ice" }-i know. this could be a security reason. cause heuristik detection cannot be deleted. this detection does cause a lot "false positives" cause it alerts even "harmless" changes of the system files.

[Macstorm]

Webguard module works blazingly fast :thumb:

So far the only website that i had to add to exclusions in order to work properly was one from my local bank 8)

[xxJackxx]

I see a lot of positive comments on this product, but am put off by the fact that they require you to register with them to even test it as a trial. If you give them this info do they start spamming you?

[The Hammer]

-{ Quote: "I see a lot of positive comments on this product, but am put off by the fact that they require you to register with them to even test it as a trial. If you give them this info do they start spamming you?" }-I haven't heard of them doing that. If you want to talk about spam try anything Panda.

[Stefan Kurtzhals]

Users who knowingly modified their system files should not enable the option to detect modified OS files. However, quite alot of malware use this method to avoid creating autorun registry entries, like patching the AppInit string in USER32.DLL and so on. So if you disable the detection, you will loose protection.

[progress]

-{ Quote: "However, quite alot of malware use this method to avoid creating autorun registry entries, like patching the AppInit string in USER32.DLL and so on." }-

So this sort of malware is starting without autorun entries? :lurking: Wow, I didn't know this ...

[Stefan Kurtzhals]

Yes, this is being used for some time already. The malware does modify OS files that are launched everytime Windows boots. So there is no need for creating suspicious reg keys.

To make things even worse, those files are usually modified only in a very few bytes so it is easy to get false positives if you don't pay close attention when adding detection.

[IceCube1010]

-{ Quote: "Yes, this is being used for some time already. The malware does modify OS files that are launched everytime Windows boots. So there is no need for creating suspicious reg keys.

To make things even worse, those files are usually modified only in a very few bytes so it is easy to get false positives if you don't pay close attention when adding detection." }-

That is why I said Avira need not be concerned with the Heuristic FP for the file a stated above. This is a good thing that Avira flags this. The Brico pack makes XP look really nice but at the expense of the FP. Avira has done a fine job here and continues to Amaze me.

Ice

[Carver]

I downloaded Avira this afternoon and installed it, I wanted to see what had been added to the configuration options. I clicked configuration a screen appeared but it was blank. I put the curcer over it I got a hourglass figure, it took a good minute for the hourglass to go away. I then to check my email with mailwasher, it reported my pop server was not acting appropriately. I changed the Heuristices from high to med to low all to no efect so I simply told Mailguard not to scan my mail. But other than that it runs great, I notice they tookout the email address to send the infected files..it is about time, it never ever worked right.

[Cutting_Edgetech]

After seeing all the positive reviews of Avira 9 i decided to upgrade from V 8.2, and i have had no problems at all so far. Version 9 seems to be running smooth like silk. Thank you Avira for a great product! I also have to say that after uninstalling Version 8.2 i went to clean out all the registry traces left behind as i always do before upgrading any software. I was amazed to find that the uninstaller didn't leave any traces behind for me to remove from the registry. Wow! That's a first!

[Osaban]

-{ Quote: "I see a lot of positive comments on this product, but am put off by the fact that they require you to register with them to even test it as a trial. If you give them this info do they start spamming you?" }-
No they won't. One can receive official notices about upgrading or changes to the engine, via e-mail on request, but you can at any time tell them to stop.

[Kerodo]

Avira 9 is running fine here, no issues so far, and I don't expect any either.. Very nice. :thumb:

[EASTER]

After only a single night and day it seems well settled in. The Heuristics is very cool, so much so i have to omit several NIRSOFT utilities from the GUARD! But that's good enough for me.

Quarantine works fine, detections are up to snuff, stability is mind-boggling for a user who is always been furious of AV stalls, or other issues that cost time to correct. Nothing of the such in either 8 or 9 for my part.

A solid HIPS proponant, i don't fear anymore or mind running a resident AV as Avira along with EQS and it even runs with Mamutu added which is a tremendous bonus AFAIK.

Only discrepency if there is one i noticed is the UPDATE slider is showing up a bit too soon at times, but then that might require my making settings adjustments and not a discrepency at all.

I just hope they can fill enough signatures to catch enough malware in their new Anti-Spyware module without fail.

Whats your opinions? I've read plenty of upsides in the majority so far.

EASTER

[Someone]

Does anyone know what "Enhanced Anti-Spyware" means? It's included in AntiVir Premium according to their website.

[boonie]

-{ Quote: "so much so i have to omit several NIRSOFT utilities from the GUARD!EASTER" }-

Just curious. Which ones? Password utilities?

[EASTER]

-{ Quote: "Just curious. Which ones? Password utilities?" }-

Yes, indeed. I like this Heuristics, its very normal and could lead to an authentic issue, so it's but a simple matter to omit it from the GUARD, a wonderful Read & Write code detector!!!

NIRSOFTS ALERTED ON!
A User Assist View for one.
IEVB.EXE
mpass.exe
Mozilla Cache View.exe
FireFox PasswordView.exe

[Ocky]

-{ Quote: "
I have just updated to v 9 and have these observations.....
When doing a system scan from the Overview section, the report shows the following discrepancies to what was set in the
configuration:-
Integrity checking of system files was done. (not ticked in config).
File scan heuristics = medium. (set to high in config).
Search for Rootkits was done. (not ticked in config).
As regards the Search for Rootkits (hidden objects) nothing is found in the system scan from the Overview section,
but when done on its own (local protection>scanner>rootkit search) it finds 1 hidden object (false positive reported here
some time ago). " }-



-{ Quote: "
That's not good. Anyone else seeing this?

I've run a complete system scan from Overview, and a scan of my system drive from Local Protection. In both cases I checked, and then unchecked Integrity Checking and Rootkit Scan. Options were correctly executed in each case." }-


-{ Quote: "The discrepancies mentioned only occur when a (full) system scan is run from Overview section. When run from local protection all the configs set
are reflected correctly in the report (and were scanned accordingly)." }-
My observations were reproduced by an Avira moderator who has submitted them internally for fixing. http://forum.avira.com/wbb/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=85283&b028b1fb

(Apparently the complete system scan profile is a predefined one that includes rootkit search and integrity checking.)

[rookieman]

-{ Quote: "The Premium upgraded on my Vista fine.I installed the freebie on one of my son's computers and that went fine as well.But when it came time for me to install it on another computer things went awfully wrong.I shut off the realtime protect from the tray and tried to uninstall using add & remove and it wouldn't uninstall!It also keep a file in c: program files and wouldn't let me delete it either.I had to run their registry cleaner to get rid of the mess I made.Did I do something wrong with this last uninstall?" }-
I did have a lot of problems with this yesterday????I installed it this morning without a hitch!!I deleted Spywareblaster and it works fine:thumb:

[ePost]

Avira Antivir offers a special uninstaller and/or registry cleaner from their homepage somewhere. And this will uninstall all residue of old Avira products.

However: it will not uninstall residue from other security products. Norton and McAfee leaves a lot behind as everyone knows. So does most other products. If you really want to get rid of all remains you need to change your settings so that all hidden files, folders, systems etc. are visible. Then run a search from search companion with advanced settings set to search hidden files and folders. (In XP it's the one with the yellow dog.) Search for all the programs that you remember ever having had. And delete what you find.

Sometimes it's even necessary to change the permissions in order to delete a file or folder from search companions search result list. This is easily done if you searched in safe mode as administrator by right clicking on the file that refuses to delete and then click the permissions option. How stupid that you need to permit yourself to make your own decisions. But some software manufacturers have the arrogance to try to prevent you from doing what you want on your own PC.

I do this routine every time I uninstall security software and I always do it in safe mode. And I'm amazed what I find from Comodo, McAfee, PC Tools and the rest of them. SiteAdvisor really takes the prize. What a mess it made.

Even the small help-programs that online scanners installs can leave a ton of drivers and file fragments behind after an uninstall.

So this regards all sorts of security programs. Not just firewalls, anti-virus programs and anti-spyware programs.

I write this because all this old residue, that often times only emerge when searched for in safe mode via search companions advanced settings, will and does interfere with Avira Antivir.

Residue form all kinds of security programs that users have had over the lifetime of their PCs is probably accountable for a number of the install problems mentioned in this thread.

[Arup]

Since free Avira now has anti spyware it also won't play well if other anti spyware are installed in your system. So make sure to remove them all before installing Avira.

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "Since free Avira now has anti spyware it also won't play well if other anti spyware are installed in your system. So make sure to remove them all before installing Avira." }-

ive used Avira PE Premium with SAS realtime before and never had issues of any sort. ???

[ePost]

Arup is right. MBAM and SAS in the free versions without realtime protection are among the few exceptions. The rules are: only one firewall. Only one realtime anti-virus program. Only one realtime anti-spyware program. Since Avira Antivir Personal Edition covers 2 out of 3 you only need a firewall. And since the built-in firewalls in Vista and XP Home are quite useless it's recommended that you disable them and install a third party firewall.

[Thug21]

Isn't the antispyware the just same engine as the AV, only with different sigs?

If so, there shouldn't be a conflict.

[rookieman]

I'm running Avira Premium with Malwarebytes Pro as we speak,no probs at all.

[ePost]

-{ Quote: "Isn't the antispyware the just same engine as the AV, only with different sigs?

If so, there shouldn't be a conflict." }-Often times the lack of conflict is due to the fact that one or both of the anti-spyware programs disable themselves because they detect that an other install is present on the PC. They do that in order to avoid a BSOD. This means that some users in effect are running without any spyware protection at all in spite of having a hefty arsenal installed.

To run a machine with 2 realtime anti-spyware programs installed is plain outright stupid.

[rookieman]

Thanks for the compliment!:thumbd: I ran it with the version 8 as well.

[Thug21]

If the AS engine is the same as the AV, it's no different than running an AV only as far as I know.

[Arup]

-{ Quote: "Isn't the antispyware the just same engine as the AV, only with different sigs?

If so, there shouldn't be a conflict." }-


If you visit Avira forums they specifically forbid running a AS along with their premium but if it worked out for you, more power to you.

[rookieman]

-{ Quote: "Thanks for the compliment!:thumbd: I ran it with the version 8 as well." }-
Although I did take your advice and shut it off.

[ePost]

You've made the right decision. :)

[cet]

I am running Avira personal with SAS Pro.I have no problems,I am not sure if I have to disable realtime guard in SAS,since Avira has spyware protection now.

[rookieman]

Hi cet,isn't there a spyware scanner in ZA Pro as well?

[cet]

I got ZAPro from a promotion.I disabled the spyware part of it.

[rookieman]

That's what I did on my son's computer as well.

[trjam]

running a full scan in a snapshot that was just created so it needs a bad defrag and surfing the net is as fast as anything. Lol:thumb:

[robinb]

can one tell me where in the avira forums does it say that you cannot run another antispyware program like superantispyware pro along side avira? in residence?

thanks
robin

[trjam]

-{ Quote: "can one tell me where in the avira forums does it say that you cannot run another antispyware program like superantispyware pro along side avira? in residence?

thanks
robin" }-
I honestly never saw it so I would say it should be fine. But, the reality is, you dont need it with this version. I mean if you want to slow your PC down with another app that is fine, but no, you dont need it. Avira will give you now, almost 100 percent protection and for some, that is 100 percent. Plain and simple.

[maddawgz]

Nice i took off avg 7.5 finally for 9 so far so good, running premium ..;D ;D ;D ;D

[BrendanK.]

-{ Quote: "I honestly never saw it so I would say it should be fine. But, the reality is, you dont need it with this version. I mean if you want to slow your PC down with another app that is fine, but no, you dont need it. Avira will give you now, almost 100 percent protection and for some, that is 100 percent. Plain and simple." }-

SuperAntiSpyware has a tiny memory foot print and for the added protection, it's worth it :)

And running SAS with Avira is fine (I'm doing it right now).

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "SuperAntiSpyware has a tiny memory foot print and for the added protection, it's worth it :)

And running SAS with Avira is fine (I'm doing it right now)." }-

yes SAS does have very low RAM usage (even though that doesnt really matter much for performance) but its also light on CPU, and that matter more. if u want u can run both, but u really dont need to, something that uses a diff kind of tech other than blacklisting (AS) wuld probly be better.

[Someone]

Can anyone answer my question? What does "Enhanced Anti-Spyware" mean? It's included in AntiVir Premium according to their website.

[TonyW]

-{ Quote: "Can anyone answer my question? What does "Enhanced Anti-Spyware" mean? It's included in AntiVir Premium according to their website." }-It probably just means the anti-spyware module has been improved upon hence the word enhanced.

[EASTER]

If you keep all your NIRSOFT tools and even sample collections in a folder, you can simply add the whole folder to the omissions box and the guard won't signal on them.

This is a winner!

[Ocky]

My previous questions have all been answered and running very smoothly.
In Windows XP boot time is now about 4 secs. less and peak memory
usage is much much lower. ;D

[mantra]

but they say it's 20% more fast but to seems more slow then the previous version

the free version has the anti spy feature too,it's nice


but does the free version the automatic update? and does it download the all database or incremental update like nod or avast

thanks

[RejZoR]

They don't mention that it's 20% faster in on-demand scanner only, not on-access...

[EASTER]

-{ Quote: "but they say it's 20% more fast but to seems more slow then the previous version

the free version has the anti spy feature too,it's nice


but does the free version the automatic update? and does it download the all database or incremental update like nod or avast

thanks" }-

Free version i notice has also included a scheduler so it's about as good as it gets IMO.

Download and install updates automatically (recommended)

[Someone]

-{ Quote: "It probably just means the anti-spyware module has been improved upon hence the word enhanced." }-
I don't think so, the website says AntiVir Personal has "Basic Anti-Spyware" and AntiVir Premium has "Enhanced Anti-Spyware".

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "Free version i notice has also included a scheduler so it's about as good as it gets IMO.

Download and install updates automatically (recommended)" }-
cool
so it does check up every 60 minutes for updates
are incremental the update in the free version? i mean download 200k or the full database


i'm thinking to drow down nod and start to use avira
i read the real time scaner is faster like nod

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "Try Avira RegistryCleaner 7.0.0.8 (http://www.freewaregeeks.com/index.php?page=detail&get_id=1032&category=59), worked for me." }-
is there one for avira 9?

[virtumonde]

-{ Quote: "cool
so it does check up every 60 minutes for updates
are incremental the update in the free version? i mean download 200k or the full database


i'm thinking to drow down nod and start to use avira
i read the real time scaner is faster like nod" }-
They are both very fast,efficient.I'm not sure a difference is noticeble.I use the suite of Avira including the webguard which i was not a fan of the concept,but it's like it's not there.Try and see.
I also try the free version but i put the updates on invisible ,don't know if they changed.
Still in the description they advertise Fast Update servers for the premium and suite only ,so this could mean that it hasn't changed (sometimes the free version will have trouble updating).

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "They are both very fast,efficient.I'm not sure a difference is noticeble.I use the suite of Avira including the webguard which i was not a fan of the concept,but it's like it's not there.Try and see.
I also try the free version but i put the updates on invisible ,don't know if they changed.
Still in the description they advertise Fast Update servers for the premium and suite only ,so this could mean that it hasn't changed (sometimes the free version will have trouble updating)." }-
thanks
so avira free has problems for the updates , i mean they are slow and later then premium version ?

[Boost]

-{ Quote: "thanks
so avira free has problems for the updates , i mean they are slow and later then premium version ?" }-

The updates are fast,I really wish this rumor would die as since version 6,they've since upgraded their servers,so updating is 10x faster then waaay back when Avira was version 6.

[virtumonde]

Hello Boost.I'm on fast broadband connection,and used avira continuously free,or premium last 2 years.I can tell you that there are sometimes problems with the free version,doing an update.It happens rarely during 5-9 PM CET time.Like i said i scheduled invisible updates ,later at night and don't have problems.
Also this could be more noticeble for dial up if they did not change the method.
It's not a big issue but it has been my experience with the free version

[trjam]

Big issues are, missing malware. Avira doesnt.;)

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "Hello Boost.I'm on fast broadband connection,and used avira continuously free,or premium last 2 years.I can tell you that there are sometimes problems with the free version,doing an update.It happens rarely during 5-9 PM CET time.Like i said i scheduled invisible updates ,later at night and don't have problems.
Also this could be more noticeble for dial up if they did not change the method.
It's not a big issue but it has been my experience with the free version" }-
what's the meaning of invisible updates?

[blacknight]

-{ Quote: "
I also try the free version but i put the updates on invisible ,don't know if they changed.
" }-


The same for me. I tried Avira RegistryCleaner 7.0.0.8 like PaulBB said to me in this 3D, but the update didn't run. I came back to the previous version and I wait.

[Thug21]

-{ Quote: "what's the meaning of invisible updates?" }-

It means there is no sort of pop-up indicating an update is taking place. They will just take place quietly and invisibly. :)

[Patrician]

-{ Quote: "I see a lot of positive comments on this product, but am put off by the fact that they require you to register with them to even test it as a trial. If you give them this info do they start spamming you?" }-

No they don't so long as you untick the option to receive news letter.

[Patrician]

-{ Quote: "The updates are fast,I really wish this rumor would die as since version 6,they've since upgraded their servers,so updating is 10x faster then waaay back when Avira was version 6." }-

No the free verion updates are slower to download than they are for the paid for version. No unreasonably so, but slower none the less.

[RejZoR]

I'd hardly call 350 KB/s slow updating...

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "No the free verion updates are slower to download than they are for the paid for version. No unreasonably so, but slower none the less." }-
i mean if the free version download updates (full pattern or incremental update)?

i mean when i update the free version ,does avira download every time the whole virus database or only incremantal files ?

thanks

[Thug21]

Should be the same download method as the paid version - incremental.

[JosephB]

Bellgamin,

Are you running Avira AntiVir 9 Premium together with MD on the same PC ?

... If yes, are there any issues using Avira 9 Premium with MD ?
... Are you using Avira AntiVir 9 Premium with all (3) Guards Enabled - WebGuard, MailGuard, and Guard ? ... Any issues with them ?

[buckshee]

Anyone noticed that the system scan is *extremely* slow. A scan of my system was twice the time of Avira 8

[Montecristo]

For me, the system scan is faster by about 5 minutes compared to version 8. No problems here.

[ePost]

-{ Quote: "I am running Avira personal with SAS Pro.I have no problems,I am not sure if I have to disable realtime guard in SAS,since Avira has spyware protection now." }-Well, the overall rule is: only one firewall. Only one realtime anti-virus program. Only one realtime anti-spyware program. You do not necessarily need to disable the spyware scanner inside ZoneAlarm Pro - but that depends on what kind of realtime functions it has. I know that the ZoneAlarm staff worked on adjusting their program so that it could run together with Avira Antivir and that compatibility problems was dealt with. The realtime protection inside SUPERAntiSpyware should be disabled. If you really want to be sure, you should do a search in the programs Forums. Or even ask in their threads. The reason why this is a good idea is, that their moderators knows all about compatibility problems. Ask Avira first. It's a very fine freeware program and the moderators in their forums are reliable and quite knowledgeable. The ZoneAlarm question could be presented there or in ZoneAlarm's forums.

But having said this: since you have SAS and ZoneAlarm in pro versions - do you really need Avira also?

Avira Support Forum: http://forum.avira.com/wbb/index.php?page=Index&911a491a
SUPERAntiSpyware Support and User Forums: http://forums.superantispyware.com/
ZoneAlarm User Forums: http://forums.zonealarm.com/zonelabs/

[TonyW]

-{ Quote: "I don't think so, the website says AntiVir Personal has "Basic Anti-Spyware" and AntiVir Premium has "Enhanced Anti-Spyware"." }-It's obviously enhanced in the paid for version. There's an improvement or at least some additions not included in the basic; it's enhanced, improved upon, but you pay for that bit extra.

[virtumonde]

They could not use "enhanced" for the free version becouse it didn't existed till now.JUst my 2 cents

[Arup]

Enabling the multi core option on my dual quad core makes Avira scan around 3 times faster than the previous version which was no slouch, the task manager shows all cores being used.

[2good]

I just lost my tray icon it disappeared on me I wonder if anyone else is having the same problem.

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "I just lost my tray icon it disappeared on me I wonder if anyone else is having the same problem." }-

does rebooting fix it? that always does it for me.

[EASTER]

I really don't see any problem with slow updates but then i yet to go Premium either, so there may be a slight difference but still the updates run reasonably enough on this end. On the other hand NOD updates for me are smokin quick!

[Macstorm]

I don't get why the Anti Drive-By feature is disabled by default at installation. IMO, it's the most important security add-on for the Webguard and I see no difference in browsing speed with it enabled or disabled (at least on IE8 )

[acr1965]

Does anyone know if the free version nag screen can be disabled the same way as in previous versions?

http://www.elitekiller.com/files/disable_antivir_nag.htm

[Stefan Kurtzhals]

For those people experiencing a slow down with the new version 9, please specify if the slow down affects the on-access guard or on-demand scans and if you have enabled the "optimized scan" and "integrity checking for system files" options. If the optimized scan option does cause a slow down for you, what kind of CPU, OS and hard discs you got?

[mantra]

i will try the free version
and if it's fast and light like nod i will buy

but i have a question about WebGuard , i guess it's the save feature that nod has

but objectively does WebGuard really increase the malware detection ? i mean makes your pc more safe?


because Guards Enabled should find them and block them

[EASTER]

-{ Quote: "For those people experiencing a slow down with the new version 9, please specify if the slow down affects the on-access guard or on-demand scans and if you have enabled the "optimized scan" and "integrity checking for system files" options. If the optimized scan option does cause a slow down for you, what kind of CPU, OS and hard discs you got?" }-

Many Greets Stefan

I can't really make much of a to do over the update slowdown really. Now mind you this is on the Avira 9 (free) ok?

I got the integrity checking for files and registry checked and engaged but not the prevent processes from termination.

I have noticed with the GUARD that sometimes after it identifies and alerts to a potential that the icon redraws are definitely slow to recover, but this IMO is exclusively to a slower box 1250 Ghz with a mere 512MB Ram and in know way reflects some issue in the Avira 9 mechanism, so we can count that out AFAIK, also FYI, XP Professional SP2 with get this, also running ProcessGuard 3.5 for executable control as well as Mamutu for Behavioral Blocking control.

Theres a lot to be said for an AV that is not pinched or disrupted when run in tandem with these other apps i mentioned.

So with that said, i'll pass the floor to other members to offer their set ups & specs for you in case they see something i don't figure as a issue.

And so many thanks for a Superb AV and finally a user defined audible acoustics alert. That means everything to this user going back to Windows 98 when i used a sound wav for "open programs" to announce whenever some executable was initiating whenever the system was idle.

EASTER

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "For those people experiencing a slow down with the new version 9, please specify if the slow down affects the on-access guard or on-demand scans and if you have enabled the "optimized scan" and "integrity checking for system files" options. If the optimized scan option does cause a slow down for you, what kind of CPU, OS and hard discs you got?" }-
i can test on 3 desktop and 2 laptop
i will do some test and i will report pc specific and time of scans

is there a cleaner to make a clean install of avira 9?
i know there is one but i guess it's for avira 8

[rookieman]

-{ Quote: "Does anyone know if the free version nag screen can be disabled the same way as in previous versions?

http://www.elitekiller.com/files/disable_antivir_nag.htm" }-
I did this with one,I'm going to try it on another one later.

[RejZoR]

Stefan, no one answered this for me. Will dual core optimization ever be implemented for Gaurd too? This is what's the most important for me. Who cares about on-demand really?

[rookieman]

-{ Quote: "i can test on 3 desktop and 2 laptop
i will do some test and i will report pc specific and time of scans

is there a cleaner to make a clean install of avira 9?
i know there is one but i guess it's for avira 8" }-
Is this what your looking for?Avira AntiVir RegistryCleaner
http://www.avira.com/de/support/support_downloads.html

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "Is this what your looking for?Avira AntiVir RegistryCleaner
http://www.avira.com/de/support/support_downloads.html" }-
yes
but it's for avira 8 , look they are old version
i would like to make some test , so i would like to have a cleaner for the 9 version

[rookieman]

This is the one I ran to get rid of the v9 freebie.I also had to delete the Avira folder in program files in safe mode as well.It took 4 attempts for me to get rid of this folder though.Then I ran ccleaner until it showed no results.

[IceCube1010]

I have never experienced any slow downs with ver 9 or ver 8. I have just about everything checked in ver 9 and it scans a bit quicker than ver 8, which I thought was quick to begin with. I am running the free version on Win XP home, Win XP Pro and Vista Home. For all of my clients, I recommend them getting Avira Server edition for all their servers. It's just my way to say thank you to Avira for such a great free solution.

Ice

[SUPERAntiSpy]

-{ Quote: "Since free Avira now has anti spyware it also won't play well if other anti spyware are installed in your system. So make sure to remove them all before installing Avira." }-

That's inaccurate - SOME anti-spyware may have problems, but products like SUPERAntiSpyware have NO PROBLEM working the Avira.

[rookieman]

Thank-you for your answer on this.I'm going to try this on my son's computer:thumb:

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "That's inaccurate - SOME anti-spyware may have problems, but products like SUPERAntiSpyware have NO PROBLEM working the Avira." }-

yep, from personal experience, i can tell u SAS and Avira work well together, not issues.

[mantra]

does somebody if there are issues with comodo firewall?

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "does somebody if there are issues with comodo firewall?" }-

ther shuldnt be, ther wasnt back in v8 when i used them.

[GES/POR]

-{ Quote: "That's inaccurate - SOME anti-spyware may have problems, but products like SUPERAntiSpyware have NO PROBLEM working the Avira." }-

Offtopic: Nick, could you have a look at: http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=236449

Maybe you could tell me what went wrong with active protection.

[andyman35]

-{ Quote: "does somebody if there are issues with comodo firewall?" }-
I'm using v9 with CIS and there are no problems up to now.There were none with v8 so I'm not expecting any either.

[oliverjia]

CIS is too slow on my computer when coexist with avira 9. Whe CIS is unistalled, my computer is fast again.

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "CIS is too slow on my computer when coexist with avira 9. Whe CIS is unistalled, my computer is fast again." }-
what is CIS?

[mvdu]

Now that the free AntiVir as anti-spyware, what are the advantages of buying Premium? I don't use the WebGuard, as I'm waiting for them to improve its browsing impact.

BTW: I bought Premium instead of renewing the Suite, and at least I'm supporting Avira.

[strangequark]

-{ Quote: "does somebody if there are issues with comodo firewall?" }-
no none at all here on 2 boxes

[oliverjia]

Comodo Internet Security, but I only installed the firewall part together with Avira.


-{ Quote: "what is CIS?" }-

[webster]

-{ Quote: "CIS is too slow on my computer when coexist with avira 9. Whe CIS is unistalled, my computer is fast again." }-

I have slowdown with Avira 9 Premium and Outpost. Had to uninstall Outpost.

[WigglyTheGreat]

I have Antivir 9 on three of my machines along with Comodo firewall with defense+ and they all work fast and stable. I am extremely happy with that combo. :thumb:

[Sportscubs1272]

I was wondering if any speed, stability differences from default to extended I-Frame (Drive-by protection)? I noticed that there were some updates maybe for the WebGuard. I had a couple today, but the definition number is the same as yesterday.

[jmonge]

-{ Quote: "After seeing all the positive reviews of Avira 9 i decided to upgrade from V 8.2, and i have had no problems at all so far. Version 9 seems to be running smooth like silk. Thank you Avira for a great product! I also have to say that after uninstalling Version 8.2 i went to clean out all the registry traces left behind as i always do before upgrading any software. I was amazed to find that the uninstaller didn't leave any traces behind for me to remove from the registry. Wow! That's a first!" }-
does version 9 of avira free includes the antispyware module built in?thanks

[Kerodo]

-{ Quote: "does version 9 of avira free includes the antispyware module built in?thanks" }-
Yes, Avira 9 Free has antispyware....

[R3XNebular]

I keep getting Discart TCP traffic from different IP's, what does that mean? Also what can I add with AVira to increase the layers of security

[hayc59]

-{ Quote: "I have slowdown with Avira 9 Premium and Outpost. Had to uninstall Outpost." }-
I am running both and no problems at all

[EASTER]

-{ Quote: "That's inaccurate - SOME anti-spyware may have problems, but products like SUPERAntiSpyware have NO PROBLEM working the Avira." }-

Thanks for that confirmation Nick. I thought as much anyway.

Furthermore, SAS just scrape up a very bad malware from one of my other units i hadn't worked with for quite awhile and apparently was left on it during a research.

SAS identified and removed it and the rest in the registry i was able to clean up with RegistryCrawler. A highly proficient anti-spyware indeed and a welcome tandem to team with AVIRA 9. You might say the best of both worlds because no AV of mine (NOD/Avira) picked up to this potential disruption to my system but a SAS scan certainly did. I was getting serious errors of missing files. ARGH!

Fact Report Concluded (and with relief)

[Page42]

-{ Quote: "can one tell me where in the avira forums does it say that you cannot run another antispyware program like superantispyware pro along side avira? in residence?" }-

I agree with trjam's response... "the reality is, you dont need it with this version. I mean if you want to slow your PC down with another app that is fine, but no, you dont need it. Avira will give you now, almost 100 percent protection and for some, that is 100 percent. Plain and simple."

That is excellent advice. :thumb:

From Steve Sstrat335, Avira forum Moderator:

-{ Quote: "Running more that one realtime guard will always be problematic in certain circumstances. The difficulty is being unable to predict when any conflict may occur but this is most likely to happen when you need protection most - on detection with one guard being unable to deal with the threat because it is locked by the other.

My recommendation would be to use SAS on demand only to avoid these issues." }-
http://forum.avira.com/wbb/index.php?page=Thread&postID=753203#post753203

[Arup]

Now that we literally have it from the horse's mouth, there shouldn't be any doubts. Avira catches all major Spyware so I just fail to see the reason to run any other except for on demand scan.

[Page42]

Another Mod on that same thread, Barrie, adds...

-{ Quote: "I think the bottom line is try it and see, as no two systems are the same and will react differently to multiple security software real time guards.
But please remember that conflicts when running two real time guards can happen and this may well manifest itself in unreliable detections." }-

As for the people who state that they run SAS and Avira together and all is well, Steve adds...

-{ Quote: "Please remember that giving a real test would involve testing against a large collection of malware and comparing the results combined and individually. Because things appear to be getting along nicely in normal day to day running isn't a good enough test." }-

[EASTER]

-{ Quote: "Now that we literally have it from the horse's mouth, there shouldn't be any doubts. Avira catches all major Spyware so I just fail to see the reason to run any other except for on demand scan." }-

Can you offer some proof to that? As in applying a table load of malwares to test Avira's AS capabilities more wide ranged then say a SAS or even MBAM?

I'm just trying to side on caution here, you could always use the more popular AS's as On-Demand, you don't have to go resident with them i think. It's a no brainer that resources would surely be taxed more.

On the other hand, can we genuinely ATM without real proof really justify that an AV company (ANY) who is been years in tracking and identifying variant viruses become overnight on the same level or above to those AS's like MBAM and especially SAS who is been tracking and formulating variant detections and removals for years?

To take absolutely nothing away from Avira it's my personal concensus that their AS is relatively if not brand new and it might take some time yet for them to reach the point where AS companies have been at for years.

EASTER

[Bunkhouse Buck]

-{ Quote: "Can you offer some proof to that? As in applying a table load of malwares to test Avira's AS capabilities more wide ranged then say a SAS or even MBAM?

I'm just trying to side on caution here, you could always use the more popular AS's as On-Demand, you don't have to go resident with them i think. It's a no brainer that resources would surely be taxed more.

On the other hand, can we genuinely ATM without real proof really justify that an AV company (ANY) who is been years in tracking and identifying variant viruses become overnight on the same level or above to those AS's like MBAM and especially SAS who is been tracking and formulating variant detections and removals for years?

To take absolutely nothing away from Avira it's my personal concensus that their AS is relatively if not brand new and it might take some time yet for them to reach the point where AS companies have been at for years.

EASTER" }-

Your statement in the last paragraph begs the question and your premise is that Avira's AS is not up to par with other vendors. I think that it is up to par with other vendors- and I can see why some on this board that are promoting their specific Anti-Spyware programs are concerned. I agree with Arup, there is absolutely no need to run another resident AS along with Avira. But of course, if you don't trust Avira to do the job, you can always run any AS on-demand.

[siberianwolf]

avira is currently the best av solution on the market (both free & paid).
in every aspects. light on s.r., efficient, effective, fast, low mem. usage. low fp's. but hey, that's me. so no need to argue on this.

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "avira is currently the best av solution on the market (both free & paid).
in every aspects. light on s.r., efficient, effective, fast, low mem. usage. low fp's. but hey, that's me. so no need to argue on this." }-
better then nod32 2.7?

[EASTER]

-{ Quote: "Your statement in the last paragraph begs the question and your premise is that Avira's AS is not up to par with other vendors. I think that it is up to par with other vendors- and I can see why some on this board that are promoting their specific Anti-Spyware programs are concerned. I agree with Arup, there is absolutely no need to run another resident AS along with Avira. But of course, if you don't trust Avira to do the job, you can always run any AS on-demand." }-

No it does not by any stretch if i might be so inclined to point out an opinion based on past & present experience.

Yours may be different as others may also.

It is however meant as a definitive note of distinguishing between two experiences or fields of expertise that have been expert in their respective divisions. AV's in theirs, and AS's in theirs respectively.

The comparison that i make to draw out doesn't in any fashion discredit any AV, in this case Avira, from exercising from a point of strength now as to do with antispyware. In fact the two have always been at various times closely linked depending on severity and method of disrupting normal PC actions. To just throw in the towel as suggested and indicate that as an opinion or matter of non-trust isn't really the issue being driven at here.

To make matters short let's use an analogy. Would you take your vehicle having engine problems to a transmission shop for an expert analysis, or by the same token knowing your transmission is slipping or worse approach strickly an engine shop for it's repair?

Not quite an accurate enough analogy that does the justice to this comparison needed, but the point trying to be made here is that if Avira has the same or even better antispyware protection then those companies that have specialized in just this business specifically for their entire franchise life, then you can rest assured that they've come a long way in a short span of time and like is been mentioned, no other AS is needed or ever will be again. The same however also applies in reverse as to do with AntiSpyware companies that include virus definitions and removals in their programs.

So in the end, the proof is in the putting, and the results that follow. But some seasoned users certainly you wouldn't think rush so quick to judgement and in haste to a new feature as a antispyware integrated within even a very high quality AntiVirus program as Avira is, or any other for that matter, without gradually weighing all the results/statistics that are yet to make it to the tally sheet just yet.

Just a little food for thought, nothing else.

If the new Avira AS turns out to eclipse and even surpass long seasoned antispyware companies this soon, whats to worry about. We got the best of both worlds all rolled up in a single package. And whats so wrong with that? I even agree, if it runs both gambits on an even keel, there you go, no need to bother with another AS at all. I just think it's a bit early though to come to that sort of conclusion at this point in time. Let these new features get off the ground first and prove themselves before simply cancelling all interest and calling off all bets for any other AS's just yet.

EASTER

[virtumonde]

-{ Quote: "Your statement in the last paragraph begs the question and your premise is that Avira's AS is not up to par with other vendors. I think that it is up to par with other vendors- and I can see why some on this board that are promoting their specific Anti-Spyware programs are concerned. I agree with Arup, there is absolutely no need to run another resident AS along with Avira. But of course, if you don't trust Avira to do the job, you can always run any AS on-demand." }-
Maybe for most members out here but users in Avira forum who clean their PC's with malwarebytes mostly(Sas is a equal competitor doesn't matter which one it is)won't agree with you.This applyies to other av products not only avira
Of course there are other questions regarding realtime protection of these antispyware tools and in case of detection how will the realtime guards of Avira and SaS or Mbam will react if they both detect an executed threat.

[Bunkhouse Buck]

-{ Quote: "Maybe for most members out here but users in Avira forum who clean their PC's with malwarebytes mostly(Sas is a equal competitor doesn't matter which one it is)won't agree with you.This applyies to other av products not only avira
Of course there are other questions regarding realtime protection of these antispyware tools and in case of detection how will the realtime guards of Avira and SaS or Mbam will react if they both detect an executed threat." }-

I am a member of the Avira forum and I don't see a preponderance of cleaning with malwarebytes, and many of the members that have problems are novices.

I do not recommend running two real time guards. The best protection is not an AV or AS, but an image that can be restored if malware attacks.

[EASTER]

-{ Quote: "I am a member of the Avira forum and I don't see a preponderance of cleaning with malwarebytes, and many of the members that have problems are novices.

I do not recommend running two real time guards. The best protection is not an AV or AS, but an image that can be restored if malware attacks." }-

Absolutely agree. User's are asking for stalling issues or worse if running two resident real-time guards. Myself, Avira's 9 Guard is FANTASTIC! As far as Anti-Spyware, SAS just nailed a bad group that neither NOD or AVIRA picked up on. I don't recall MBAM even alerting to it after a scan, i use both On-Demand Only of course, and i also recommend only a single real-time GUARD for reasons already stated.

I think it's a worthy step to add an AS feature in Avira 9 but i already get plenty of Avira GUARD alerts on even Heuristic pickups like NIRSOFT'S tools which is just dandy with me. Some users want AVIRA to exclude them, i disagree, if you want to exclude them, add your NIRSOFT folder or any other tool folder being alerted to by the GUARD to Avira's exclusion box. That's why they put it in there. I don't want the excellent Avira Heuristics degraded or limited in any fashion because it's fashioned for exactly that reason, to alert to a suspicious file that just might one day be either something new or serious not yet added for inclusion in it's signature database.

EASTER

[demonon]

Avira already had as for a long time. The only thing that changed is that avira personal edition now too has as.

[EASTER]

-{ Quote: "Avira already had as for a long time. The only thing that changed is that avira personal edition now too has as." }-

Being a long time NOD32 user i surely wasn't even aware of that. Thanks for clearing that up.

EASTER

[Carver]

-{ Quote: "CIS is too slow on my computer when coexist with avira 9. Whe CIS is unistalled, my computer is fast again." }-
I am STILL having connection problems with Avira v9 and CIS, I was using Avira v8 and CIS and I had No problems. The problems started when I updated to Avira v9. I uninstalled Avira v9 through Control Pannel/add remove then reinstalled Avira v9 it didn't work I still had connection problems and it stops all pop connections if the mailGuard is enabled. I had to do a full restore with ATI 11. I am Thinking about going back to Avira v8 :wacko:

[R3XNebular]

I keep getting Discart TCP traffic from different IP's, what does that mean?

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "Being a long time NOD32 user i surely wasn't even aware of that. Thanks for clearing that up.

EASTER" }-
it light and fast like nod32 2.7?
because i'm considering to buy avira
in some tests , seems one of the more slow and heavy av (avira)

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Quotable Quotes...

-{ Quote: "Since free Avira now has anti spyware it also won't play well if other anti spyware are installed in your system. So make sure to remove them all before installing Avira." }-

-{ Quote: "That's inaccurate - SOME anti-spyware may have problems, but products like SUPERAntiSpyware have NO PROBLEM working the Avira." }-

-{ Quote: "Thanks for that confirmation Nick. I thought as much anyway." }-

-{ Quote: "I do not recommend running two real time guards." }-

-{ Quote: "Absolutely agree. User's are asking for stalling issues or worse if running two resident real-time guards." }-

-{ Quote: "can one tell me where in the avira forums does it say that you cannot run another antispyware program like superantispyware pro along side avira? in residence?" }-

-{ Quote: "From Steve Sstrat335, Avira forum Moderator:
"Running more that one realtime guard will always be problematic in certain circumstances. The difficulty is being unable to predict when any conflict may occur but this is most likely to happen when you need protection most - on detection with one guard being unable to deal with the threat because it is locked by the other.
My recommendation would be to use SAS on demand only to avoid these issues."
http://forum.avira.com/wbb/index.php?page=Thread&postID=753203#post753203" }-

-{ Quote: "Your statement in the last paragraph begs the question and your premise is that Avira's AS is not up to par with other vendors. I think that it is up to par with other vendors- and I can see why some on this board that are promoting their specific Anti-Spyware programs are concerned. I agree with Arup, there is absolutely no need to run another resident AS along with Avira. But of course, if you don't trust Avira to do the job, you can always run any AS on-demand." }-

-{ Quote: "I just think it's a bit early though to come to that sort of conclusion at this point in time. Let these new features get off the ground first and prove themselves before simply cancelling all interest and calling off all bets for any other AS's just yet." }-

-{ Quote: "Avira already had as for a long time. The only thing that changed is that avira personal edition now too has as." }-

-{ Quote: "Being a long time NOD32 user i surely wasn't even aware of that. Thanks for clearing that up." }-

[demonon]

-{ Quote: "Quotable Quotes..." }-

Funny indeed, only some of us were misinformed and others knew more.

[Kerodo]

-{ Quote: "it light and fast like nod32 2.7?
because i'm considering to buy avira
in some tests , seems one of the more slow and heavy av (avira)" }-
Quite the opposite, it's very light and fast...

[agagouga]

My 12h experience with avira 9 (free) was not so good...
1)too heavy on resources for my taste
2)update sucks, the window hunged many times at 0%
3)not red-hot with detection rate (at agagouga-comparatives ;D )
4)too many false positives (sysinternals, soundblaster updates, and many more)

After this, i turned avira to on-demand scanner (turned off 'avgnt' from auto-runs, and turned the avira services to manual/disabled from safe mode).

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "My 12h experience with avira 9 (free) was not so good...
1)too heavy on resources for my taste
2)update sucks, the window hunged many times at 0%
3)not red-hot with detection rate (at agagouga-comparatives ;D )
4)too many false positives (sysinternals, soundblaster updates, and many more)

After this, i turned avira to on-demand scanner (turned off 'avgnt' from auto-runs, and turned the avira services to manual/disabled from safe mode)." }-

really? hmm what ur experiencing seems to be almost the exact opposit of what everyone else is... strange :-\

[agagouga]

-{ Quote: "really? hmm what ur experiencing seems to be almost the exact opposit of what everyone else is... strange :-\" }-

Hmmm, yes, at least with my computer and my configuration (and me as the user ;D).
There isn't any 'perfect' product to make happy all users & customers, is it? ;D
Didn't say that avira is a bad product, i have keep it for on demand scanner.

(edit) forgot to say that i tried avira with pc1 of my signature (CIS av turned off, 2GB ram), maybe CIS, A2 with Mamutu & Avira together is too much, a security overkill :)

[Kerodo]

-{ Quote: "

(edit) forgot to say that i tried avira with pc1 of my signature (CIS av turned off, 2GB ram), maybe CIS, A2 with Mamutu & Avira together is too much, a security overkill :)" }-
I'd say you may have had some conflicts going on between Avira 9 and CIS, not the CIS AV, but just CIS in general. Overkill perhaps....

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "I am STILL having connection problems with Avira v9 and CIS, I was using Avira v8 and CIS and I had No problems. The problems started when I updated to Avira v9. I uninstalled Avira v9 through Control Pannel/add remove then reinstalled Avira v9 it didn't work I still had connection problems and it stops all pop connections if the mailGuard is enabled. I had to do a full restore with ATI 11. I am Thinking about going back to Avira v8 :wacko:" }-

did you try to disable comodo firewall , i mean defend+?

[Waterfox]

-{ Quote: "it light and fast like nod32 2.7?
because i'm considering to buy avira
in some tests , seems one of the more slow and heavy av (avira)" }-

The only way to get an answer to that question is to try it out on your system and see how it behaves.

[siberianwolf]

-{ Quote: "it light and fast like nod32 2.7?
because i'm considering to buy avira
in some tests , seems one of the more slow and heavy av (avira)" }-
it depends, as with all the av sw's out there. reason? simple. if you use it with the default settings (as is), it'll be fast, light, sufficient.
you might consider activating "drive-by protection" and switching to hi-det level with the heuristics, but remember that it might have an (insignificant) impact on your system performance (especially, hi-det set guard heur.).
on the other hand, when the default settings altered (to max level), with all the av products, you'll get a slower system.
so if you install avira antivir with default settings + drive-by protection enabled (disabled by default), you'll be good to go.
one more thing, if you decide to alter any settings of avira antivir's, always check the help file associated with the tab you're working on. cuz, this way, you'll have the opportunity to see if the alteration you're planning to make would have any impact on your system's overall performance.

[Arup]

Not red hot detection rates........OH! MY!.....thought I would never hear it levelled against Avira but its good, now the heat will finally be off Avira once for all.

[Bunkhouse Buck]

-{ Quote: "Not red hot detection rates........OH! MY!.....thought I would never hear it levelled against Avira but its good, now the heat will finally be off Avira once for all." }-

agagouga obviously feels compelled to insert some ******** into the discussion. Always happens- they can't beat Avira's detection rate so they focus on alleged FPs (I never had one in over three years of use with every setting on max) or they assert some absurdity like not red hot detection. What a forum!

[andyman35]

-{ Quote: "Hmmm, yes, at least with my computer and my configuration (and me as the user ;D).
There isn't any 'perfect' product to make happy all users & customers, is it? ;D
Didn't say that avira is a bad product, i have keep it for on demand scanner.

(edit) forgot to say that i tried avira with pc1 of my signature (CIS av turned off, 2GB ram), maybe CIS, A2 with Mamutu & Avira together is too much, a security overkill :)" }-
I'm running the exact same combo on one of my systems with no issues at all,the only difference is I'm running D+ in Safe Mode.:-\

[Arup]

-{ Quote: "agagouga obviously feels compelled to insert some ******** into the discussion. Always happens- they can't beat Avira's detection rate so they focus on alleged FPs (I never had one in over three years of use with every setting on max) or they assert some absurdity like not red hot detection. What a forum!" }-


From day one, I have had everything on high in Avira and for years, only one FP and thats KC Software's ID Photo program which has been fixed long while back. I run all heuristics on high including Web Guard and now have the i-frames setting on max as well.

[agagouga]

-{ Quote: "agagouga obviously feels compelled to insert some ******** into the discussion." }-
:thumbd: :thumbd: :thumbd: >:( No comments

-{ Quote: "Always happens- they can't beat Avira's detection rate so they focus on alleged FPs (I never had one in over three years of use with every setting on max) " }-

I repeat from my previous post:
SYSINTERNALS, SOUNDBLASTER UPDATE
Are these alleged FPs? Go try sysinternals suite for your self (with database of 21-22/3/09 as it may be fixed right now

-{ Quote: "Not red hot detection rates........OH! MY!.....thought I would never hear it levelled against Avira but its good, now the heat will finally be off Avira once for all." }-
-{ Quote: "or they assert some absurdity like not red hot detection. " }-
I said-> with MY comperatives

-{ Quote: "What a forum!" }-
This is a serious forum, not fan-boys playground

[agagouga]

-{ Quote: "I'm running the exact same combo on one of my systems with no issues at all,the only difference is I'm running D+ in Safe Mode.:-\" }-
Hi andyman35, thanks for your comment. You have A2/mamutu also? I 'll give it another try, as i haven't uninstall avira

[Arup]

-{ Quote: ":thumbd: :thumbd: :thumbd: >:( No comments



I repeat from my previous post:
SYSINTERNALS, SOUNDBLASTER UPDATE
Are these alleged FPs? Go try sysinternals suite for your self (with database of 21-22/3/09 as it may be fixed right now



I said-> with MY comperatives


This is a serious forum, not fan-boys playground" }-

Your comparatives? And what do you base it on that. So am I to assume that the tests done at av-comparatives is not up to your standards. I have sysinternals suite and I don't get any FP.

[agagouga]

-{ Quote: "Your comparatives? And what do you base it on that. So am I to assume that the tests done at av-comparatives is not up to your standards. I have sysinternals suite and I don't get any FP." }-

Hi Arup, nothing wrong with av-comparatives, or whatever-comparatives.
You don't trust agagouga-comparatives (agree, that's what you have to do) because for example you don't trust the samples collection (where are they? where are they coming from? how many? etc), the selection criteria (why sample X is in the test and not sample Y), etc . For the same reasons, i don't like whatever-comparatives. Its easy to create a sample collection that X antivirus has 100% detection rate on it and also create another sample collection that the same X antivirus has 0% detection rate...
Never said that avira is a bad product or has low detection rate, i just wanted more from a top-class AV (edit: Avira still exists on my system ;D )

About sysinternals suite, yesterday my Avira screamed about pskill.exe (and maybe one more, don't remember...), today about psexec.exe (both in pstools, system/network admin tools)...
I have no idea why you don't have any fp on this ???

[virtumonde]

-{ Quote: "Hi Arup, nothing wrong with av-comparatives, or whatever-comparatives.
You don't trust agagouga-comparatives (agree, that's what you have to do) because for example you don't trust the samples collection (where are they? where are they coming from? how many? etc), the selection criteria (why sample X is in the test and not sample Y), etc . For the same reasons, i don't like whatever-comparatives. Its easy to create a sample collection that X antivirus has 100% detection rate on it and also create another sample collection that the same X antivirus has 0% detection rate...
Never said that avira is a bad product or has low detection rate, i just wanted more from a top-class AV (edit: Avira still exists on my system ;D )

About sysinternals suite, yesterday my Avira screamed about pskill.exe (and maybe one more, don't remember...), today about psexec.exe (both in pstools, system/network admin tools)...
I have no idea why you don't have any fp on this ???" }-
You have selected appl (Aplication)in extended threats that's why it detects it.With default settings it doesn't
Also i';m not sure it can be considered as FP's

[agagouga]

-{ Quote: "You have selected appl (Aplication)in extended threats that's why it detects it.With default settings it doesn't
Also i';m not sure it can be considered as FP's" }-
:thumb: Yeap virtumonde, as a paranoid, i clicked check everything in extended threats after avira install (it seemed so natural to me at this time that i didn't remember that i did it ;D ). So I agree with you this one can not be considered as FP.
I had other FPs also (do not throw stones, i'm not an avira-hater:lurking:) like soundblaster-update & some more, but anyway not so big problem as i realized right away that they are FPs.

Peace & Love

[TonyW]

You see this is where the problems arise. There are groups of users with settings at default and others with it at high. Some have the extended threats enabled, others don't.

Even those who have heuristics set at high may not see FPs because they don't have the applications/packages on their system to start with so they can quite happily say they've never seen or had any FPs. If FPs occur, they can be reported or at least be ignored on future scans.

Testing organisations can, however, test a whole gamut of software packages that many of us probably would never install. It is some of those that may create the FPs until fixed.

[Arup]

-{ Quote: "Hi Arup, nothing wrong with av-comparatives, or whatever-comparatives.
You don't trust agagouga-comparatives (agree, that's what you have to do) because for example you don't trust the samples collection (where are they? where are they coming from? how many? etc), the selection criteria (why sample X is in the test and not sample Y), etc . For the same reasons, i don't like whatever-comparatives. Its easy to create a sample collection that X antivirus has 100% detection rate on it and also create another sample collection that the same X antivirus has 0% detection rate...
Never said that avira is a bad product or has low detection rate, i just wanted more from a top-class AV (edit: Avira still exists on my system ;D )

About sysinternals suite, yesterday my Avira screamed about pskill.exe (and maybe one more, don't remember...), today about psexec.exe (both in pstools, system/network admin tools)...
I have no idea why you don't have any fp on this ???" }-

With over 99% detection, least amount of issues, running with consistency, I think Avira is doing the best it can. You just blew away AV comparatives and accused them of some serious accusations there. If I am not mistaken, what you are saying is that AV Comparatives doctors its tests specifically for Avira and to make it look better than others. Am I correct, hopefully not.............

[agagouga]

-{ Quote: "With over 99% detection, least amount of issues, running with consistency, I think Avira is doing the best it can. You just blew away AV comparatives and accused them of some serious accusations there. If I am not mistaken, what you are saying is that AV Comparatives doctors its tests specifically for Avira and to make it look better than others. Am I correct, hopefully not............." }-

Hey man, don't be so suspicious, i never said these words. I just said why I don't like any Comparatives in general. It's better to talk for statistical arguments or philosophical inconsonance.

[virtumonde]

-{ Quote: ":thumb: Yeap virtumonde, as a paranoid, i clicked check everything in extended threats after avira install (it seemed so natural to me at this time that i didn't remember that i did it ;D ). So I agree with you this one can not be considered as FP.
I had other FPs also (do not throw stones, i'm not an avira-hater:lurking:) like soundblaster-update & some more, but anyway not so big problem as i realized right away that they are FPs.

Peace & Love" }-
You use Avira you wrote your opinion.Why care what others say?
If u didn't and simply post in order to bash like some Avira haters do than it would not have been nice.
I also wrote that i don't like when it gives FP's mainly when it's about mainstream software.But contrary to what many belive,it doesn't do so on a regular basis.I would dare to say as a user of 3 AV products, that except NOrton ,Mcafee who have low FP's rate ,Avira is no more or less than the others regarding this.
When FP's apear Avira are among the quickest to fix them.

[agagouga]

-{ Quote: "You use Avira you wrote your opinion.Why care what others say?
If u didn't and simply post in order to bash like some Avira haters do than it would not have been nice." }-
Yes, you are right. When i read that i felt compelled to insert some b*llshit into the discussion (& more), i 'd better close the browser & just forget it. But unfortunately I didn't, so after all, one accuses me for hater, other for b*llshit insertor, other for conspiracy theorist about a/v rankings.

Better to go, please an admin remove all my posts. Good bye & wish the best to you

[virtumonde]

-{ Quote: "Y I didn't, so after all, one accuses me for hater, other for b*llshit insertor, other for conspiracy theorist about a/v rankings.

" }-
Lol ,it's always like this when the comparative tests are publiced.In fact that thread it's doing quite well ,usually they are closed quickly.You got your ideea why :)

[IceCube1010]

Some people just like to create a stir......;D I posted earlier in this thread about a FP but in reality it wasen't. Brico Packs modify some system files and Avira correctly identified it as being modified. Even though the modification is harmless, Avira caught a change in a system file. This is why Avira is always at the top in any AV test. It's one of the best in detection.

Ice

[GES/POR]

Hmmm so Avira has light HIPS now?

[Boost]

-{ Quote: "Some people just like to create a stir......;D I posted earlier in this thread about a FP but in reality it wasen't. Brico Packs modify some system files and Avira correctly identified it as being modified. Even though the modification is harmless, Avira caught a change in a system file. This is why Avira is always at the top in any AV test. It's one of the best in detection.

Ice" }-

Funny you should mention this,because I just posted about this issue the other day. I've got the Vista Brico Pack theme installed as well and had the same FP.

No biggie,just click on ignore and all is once again awsome for Avira :thumb:

[IceCube1010]

-{ Quote: "Hmmm so Avira has light HIPS now?" }-

I wouldn't call it a light hips but I can see the direction Avira is trying to make. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I thought I read somewhere Avira was going to integrate some kind of hips module in their suite.

Ice

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "I wouldn't call it a light hips but I can see the direction Avira is trying to make. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I thought I read somewhere Avira was going to integrate some kind of hips module in their suite.

Ice" }-

it might or might not have HIPS of some sort in v10, although its all speculation.

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "Hmmm so Avira has light HIPS now?" }-

no it does not, it just lets u scan for modified system files now, which i think is a great feature. ;D

[trjam]

-{ Quote: "it might or might not have HIPS of some sort in v10, although its all speculation." }-
The next version of Avira, which will probaly be next year, will have HIPS. May it come out sooner? Maybe, but Avira does not release anything till they know it works. When they accomplish this, they will move up the chain even higher.

[aigle]

My thoughts:

Avira has two problems since long and I don,t expect them to be resolved in near future.

1- Update issues, I can,t recommend it for slow connections or dial up at all.
2- False positives, OK for us but frightening and so problemetic for ordinary users.

Modified file scan is wonderfull? Does it work like the one in KAV? Means it will reduce scan times too much?

IMO no HIPS needed in an AV. Ordinary users don,t need HIPS. However something like KAV,s sandboxing( categorizing applicatiuons as trsuted, untrusted, etc on the basis of a white list) and a behaviour blocker like TF, PRSC is much more desired.

[trjam]

agreed. What it will evolve into I honestly dont know. But I trust in Avira to make something that is, 1. user friendly and 2. works.

[Kerodo]

-{ Quote: "My thoughts:

Avira has two problems since long and I don,t expect them to be resolved in near future.

1- Update issues, I can,t recommend it for slow connections or dial up at all.
2- False positives, OK for us but frightening and so problemetic for ordinary users.

" }-
I really don't think your #1 issue is an issue at all anymore. I have noticed in Avira 9 free that updates are pretty fast, and nothing like the problems we've seen last year or in the past. I think they have fixed this one already.

I won't comment on FPs, I'm still trying to figure out which is worse, an FP or a missed detection. I think I'd rather live with an FP to be honest.

[aigle]

May be you are right about updates but remember update issues were never universal even in the past, some had this problem and some never experienced it.
I personally have not used it for some time so I am not so sure.

[Boost]

-{ Quote: "May be you are right about updates but remember update issues were never universal even in the past, some had this problem and some never experienced it.
I personally have not used it for some time so I am not so sure." }-

Update servers have never been FASTER. I know several people on dial up,no problems updating with the server upgrade.Cable internet isnt even an issue.

[Carver]

-{ Quote: "did you try to disable comodo firewall , i mean defend+?" }-
Been there done that, that is the first thing I did. I think I found a work around. I been reading Avera forums, it seems that people have a whole host of problems with Avera v9. I'm glad I am not the only one.

[Reimer]

I've already had two separate updates where I've had to reboot since installing version 9. I don't recall the last time it ever happened with version 8.

[Kerodo]

-{ Quote: "I've already had two separate updates where I've had to reboot since installing version 9. I don't recall the last time it ever happened with version 8." }-
That's odd, I haven't had to reboot even once yet on mine.

[GES/POR]

-{ Quote: "That's odd, I haven't had to reboot even once yet on mine." }-

Just maybe they are pushing trough program update fixes on different times to different parts of the world?

[Kerodo]

-{ Quote: "Just maybe they are pushing trough program update fixes on different times to different parts of the world?" }-
Guess we'll find out soon enough.... :)

[Osaban]

I usually update manually whenever I start or restart my computer, matter of habits, I suppose. I've noticed with the old version that at certain times of the day, the manual update would alert me with "internet connection failed", but if I tried to update from the Avira console with "product update" the update would go ahead without any problems.

This seems to have disappeared with version 9, and updates seem to be a lot faster than in the previous version. As far as HIPS is concerned, I wouldn't mind Avira to create something like a white list of your applications and to alert you about unknown executables (a bit like the old AntiExecutable from Faronics). It would make this program really complete.

[EASTER]

-{ Quote: "Update servers have never been FASTER. I know several people on dial up,no problems updating with the server upgrade.Cable internet isnt even an issue." }-

Dial_up here presents no unusual update problems with Avira 9. Runs right along.

[mantra]

i tested on 5 pc
and it's really a great av
i tried the free version

what i don't like
1) i can't update every 5 hours , i mean schedule , only 1 day minumum
maybe there is a command like to update

2) the maxi pop after an update


by the way i run with comodo firewall , and in the log defend+ i found access
memory ,i setup the exlusions in comodo and it's fast and work 100%

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "Been there done that, that is the first thing I did. I think I found a work around. I been reading Avera forums, it seems that people have a whole host of problems with Avera v9. I'm glad I am not the only one." }-
so it's better go back to 8?

[blacknight]

-{ Quote: "Been there done that, that is the first thing I did. I think I found a work around. I been reading Avera forums, it seems that people have a whole host of problems with Avera v9. I'm glad I am not the only one." }-

I also, there is a my previous post about here.

[Carver]

-{ Quote: "so it's better go back to 8?" }-
-{ Quote: " I think I found a work around. I been reading Avera forums." }-
Just the opposite, Avera v9 now works right(for me):isay:

[jad_123]

As an extra layer would I be better off running a behavior blocker like Threatfire or Mamutu or an app like DefenseWall? I have licenses to DW and Mamutu but am trying to only run one more.

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "As an extra layer would I be better off running a behavior blocker like Threatfire or Mamutu or an app like DefenseWall? I have licenses to DW and Mamutu but am trying to only run one more." }-

use defensewall if u have a license for it.

[mantra]

-{ Quote: "I think I found a work around. I been reading Avera forums.:" }-

and can you tell us?

[Reimer]

-{ Quote: "That's odd, I haven't had to reboot even once yet on mine." }-

Just ran another update and yet again, it requires another reboot.

Maybe it has something to do with running on a limited user account

[Arup]

-{ Quote: "Just ran another update and yet again, it requires another reboot.

Maybe it has something to do with running on a limited user account" }-


LUA+DEP on here, no reboot ever, even after fresh install of Avira and updates.

[Kerodo]

-{ Quote: "LUA+DEP on here, no reboot ever, even after fresh install of Avira and updates." }-
Same here, never a reboot after a fresh install and a few days use.....

[Boost]

No rebooting the computer here at all.

[EASTER]

No reboot needed here either yet.

Updated fine

[Stefan Kurtzhals]

-{ Quote: "Just ran another update and yet again, it requires another reboot.

Maybe it has something to do with running on a limited user account" }-

To my knowledge, there was no update after the upgrade to AV9 that would require a reboot. However, it might be a bug when running on a limited user account. I will get this checked. Can you try again, does it require a reboot every time you update now?

[mantra]

is there a way to avoid the pop up after an update?


how can i configure hidden update?
i read in the forum that some users setup avira with hidden update

[strangequark]

-{ Quote: "Just ran another update and yet again, it requires another reboot.

Maybe it has something to do with running on a limited user account" }-

if you changed the permissions on the avnotify.exe to stop the nag screen then you'll keep getting asked for a reboot after every update. You could do this in Version 8 but not 9 apparently. So if you have done that you need to change them back to how it was and then no more reboots. You can stop the nag screen with a hips program like CIS for instance.

[Kerodo]

-{ Quote: "if you changed the permissions on the avnotify.exe to stop the nag screen then you'll keep getting asked for a reboot after every update. You could do this in Version 8 but not 9 apparently. So if you have done that you need to change them back to how it was and then no more reboots. You can stop the nag screen with a hips program like CIS for instance." }-
Not true actually. If you do it right, and just deny traverse/execute yet allow Avira to check file attributes and other permissions, it works fine. I have done it here in v9 in Vista x64 with no issues at all.

[strangequark]

-{ Quote: "Not true actually. If you do it right, and just deny traverse/execute yet allow Avira to check file attributes and other permissions, it works fine. I have done it here in v9 in Vista x64 with no issues at all." }-
I'd only denied Read & Execute I must admit which worked fine in V8, good to know there is another way, although just blocking it with a hips program is probably the simplest way to stop getting nagged.

[Mongol]

-{ Quote: "is there a way to avoid the pop up after an update?


how can i configure hidden update?
i read in the forum that some users setup avira with hidden update" }-

I just clicked the box when the update window came up, that should block it...??? ;D

[Kerodo]

-{ Quote: "I'd only denied Read & Execute I must admit which worked fine in V8, good to know there is another way, although just blocking it with a hips program is probably the simplest way to stop getting nagged." }-
Yep, unless you don't use any HIPS, which I don't in Vista x64. But in general, any way you can prevent execution will do. :thumb:

Btw, denying Read is where you went wrong in v9. It has to be allowed to read the file attributes. Otherwise it downloads a fresh copy of avnotify.exe every update. Not a good thing. :)