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Blue Ring

March 11th, 2009, 01:08 AM

I like this part of the SpyReveal website:

We've researched and tested many of these products on our spyware infested test machine and time and again these all-in-one products have missed most monitoring spies installed:

* Microsoft AntiSpyware - Failed to Detect 81% of Spy Software
* SpySweeper - Failed to Detect 67% of Spy Software
* PestPatrol - Failed to Detect 72% of Spy Software
* Spyware Doctor - Failed to Detect 74% of Spy Software
* TrendMicro AntiSpyware - Failed to Detect 69% of Spy Software
* Symantec AntiVirus - Failed to Detect 70% of Spy Software
* KasperSky Standard - Failed to Detect 80.2% of Spy Software
* KasperSky Extended - Failed to Detect 54.7% of Spy Software

--

But when were these tests originally done? What spy software was tested? How many keyloggers were actually tested? And what versions of these antimalware products were used? Did they all have fully up to date sigs? Were they tested with their default settings? etc. So little information to go by.

I remember when I tested a couple AV & AS products myself against some keyloggers and I did actually get similar results. I was shocked to see KAV only find just over 50% of them. Very similar to the SpyCop test results.

jmonge

March 11th, 2009, 02:29 AM

-{ Quote: "That's what SpyCop also does/did

Sorry, I'm not sure what you're saying

I guess that the prevx edge company has to have a closer at it." }-thanks:)do they have life time licence or anual?thanks again

snowbound

March 11th, 2009, 05:58 AM

-{ Quote: "thanks:)do they have life time licence or anual?thanks again" }-
From Jan's post above,

-{ Quote: "Interesting is that the subscription to SpyReveal is again a lifetime subscription, like it used to be long ago in the past. (Old users of SpyCop, who bought it before 2002, did have that privilege)." }-

snowbound

jmonge

March 11th, 2009, 11:16 AM

-{ Quote: "From Jan's post above,

snowbound" }-thanks;) i guez i am blind;D didnt see that post:)
is this software effective againts keyloggers?i mean this some one tried it,tested againts real malware?thanks again

FanJ

March 17th, 2009, 12:43 AM

-{ Quote: "
I guess that the prevx edge company has to have a closer at it." }-

Sorry, I made a typo and should have said:

"I guess that the prevx edge company has to have a closer look at it."

FanJ

March 17th, 2009, 12:49 AM

For the record:

I have uninstalled SpyReveal (and previously SpyCop).
I don't trust the company (companies?) behind it anymore.
I had a short email-exchange. I have never seen a company (companies?) that was able to contradict itself in such a way as this company (companies?) was able to do.

Don't expect to see me posting any updates on SpyCop/SpyReveal anymore.

jmonge

March 17th, 2009, 12:54 AM

so spycop is suspicious or what do you mean?

FanJ

March 17th, 2009, 01:36 AM

-{ Quote: "so spycop is suspicious or what do you mean?" }-

Hi,

I did mean to say exactly what I said: I don't trust the company (companies?) behind SpyCop/SpyReveal anymore. Nothing more, nothing less.

jmonge

March 17th, 2009, 01:43 AM

-{ Quote: "Hi,

I did mean to say exactly what I said: I don't trust the company (companies?) behind SpyCop/SpyReveal anymore. Nothing more, nothing less." }-ok got it thanks:thumb:

Page42

March 18th, 2009, 09:37 PM

-{ Quote: "For the record:

I have uninstalled SpyReveal (and previously SpyCop).
I don't trust the company (companies?) behind it anymore.
I had a short email-exchange. I have never seen a company (companies?) that was able to contradict itself in such a way as this company (companies?) was able to do.

Don't expect to see me posting any updates on SpyCop/SpyReveal anymore." }-
I was getting that same vibe from them when I posted this (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1417954&postcount=15) on March 6th...

-{ Quote: "And I am confused by the statement they are releasing... "Due to an ethics disagreement between vendor and distributor, the product that you knew as SpyCop is now SpyReveal. New sales company, identical product." I got the same email response to an inquiry I sent them when I went to update the program and noticed the new name. In all sincereity, I am a bit suspicious of the statement. Maybe cautious would be a better word, except what I feel inside is stronger than caution. And we sometimes have to go with our gut. For the time being, at least, I am not using SpyCop until I learn more. I don't mean that as a slight against the company, except to say that in my opinion, this changeover to SpyReveal isn't being handled very flawlessly." }-

I never did install the new SpyReveal and I haven't run the old SpyCop since the day I learned of the transition and emailed them about it, which was March 2nd.

FanJ

March 18th, 2009, 10:00 PM

Hi Page42,

Thanks for your posting.
I completely missed that other thread in which you posted about SpyCop-SpyReveal. (It's sometimes difficult to follow the topics ;) ).

About your posting:
-{ Quote: "
"Due to an ethics disagreement between vendor and distributor, the product that you knew as SpyCop is now SpyReveal. New sales company, identical product."
" }-

Was this published somewhere on the internet (and if so: where?)? I would love to see a link. Or was it private email?

I'm a bit reluctant to post quotes from private emails; but I could paraphrase it in some way. But in my case that might be difficult, in particular with respect to the first of the two emails I got. How can a company in about 100 words contradict itself so very much as they did in that email I received?

Page42

March 19th, 2009, 01:13 AM

-{ Quote: "Hi Page42,

Thanks for your posting.
I completely missed that other thread in which you posted about SpyCop-SpyReveal. (It's sometimes difficult to follow the topics ;) ).

About your posting:

Was this published somewhere on the internet (and if so: where?)? I would love to see a link. Or was it private email?

I'm a bit reluctant to post quotes from private emails; but I could paraphrase it in some way. But in my case that might be difficult, in particular with respect to the first of the two emails I got. How can a company in about 100 words contradict itself so very much as they did in that email I received?" }-
Hi FanJ,
It was an email, but I wouldn't call it a private email. More like a canned response email. Here (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1416942&postcount=1) you'll find another Wilders member posting about having received the same exact "Due to an ethics disagreement between vendor and distributor" email response. HTH :)

Edit in: -{ Quote: "How can a company in about 100 words contradict itself so very much as they did in that email I received?" }-
I know of one possible explanation. They are full of crap and have a hard time keeping their story straight.

Fly

March 19th, 2009, 10:02 AM

Probably best to stay away. The last thing you need is (somewhat) rogue software/company.

jmonge

March 19th, 2009, 11:05 AM

-{ Quote: "Probably best to stay away. The last thing you need is (somewhat) rogue software/company." }-agree:)

FanJ

March 21st, 2009, 09:30 PM

Hi,

Page42, thanks again for the link to that other thread (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=235052).

About this quote: "Due to an ethics disagreement between vendor and distributor, the product that you knew as SpyCop is now SpyReveal."

I've found that it is also posted at the SpyReveal site:
http://www.spyreveal.com/products.htm

-{ Quote: "

The SpyReveal Website is under construction, and should go live in the first half of March 2009.

Due to an ethics disagreement between vendor and distributor, the product that you knew as SpyCop is now SpyReveal. New sales company, identical product.

The SpyReveal website is still under construction, however we made it urgent priority that the product and updates are delivered to our customers. The download links work, and updates are being distributed via SpyReveal. Additionally, the lifetime subscription requirement has been removed under the new name.

You will have to download and reinstall from this web site so that you can obtain the new updater if you are presenting using SpyCop. The old updater will cease functioning when SpyCop eventually goes offline. You do not have to uninstall SpyCop to upgrade to SpyReveal.

The SpyReveal product is IDENTICAL to the SpyCop product. The only change is the name. Your registration number, white lists, password, and settings will transfer seamlessly. The *only* difference is the removal of the yearly renewal fee!!

We sincerely apologize for the unexpected nature of this change. Unfortunately, circumstances prevented us from being able to preplan the migration in as far advance as we would have liked.

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" }-

I didn't notice that, and I have to apologize for that.

I'm willing to give SpyReveal another chance and have it again on my system; we'll see.

LockBox

March 22nd, 2009, 10:48 PM

You know, it's just confusing. But really it shouldn't be. Who was the developer of the original SpyCop that everyone has known for years and which product is theirs? Actually pretty simple. Does anybody know? Once we know that, we'll know which is the "real deal" we've all known.

As noted above, this is also being discussed in the privacy subforums. There are actually many people who post almost exclusively in the privacy forums and rarely venture out. That's why many didn't know about this thread.

jmonge

March 22nd, 2009, 10:50 PM

anyway is it effective againts today's malware?any links related to test reviews on spycop?thanks

FanJ

March 22nd, 2009, 11:23 PM

As noted above we have also another thread about this in the Privacy Software forum-section:
SpyCop is Now SpyReveal (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=235052)

Gerard Morentzy posted there:
-{ Quote: "
Maybe Spy1 can come back and tell us what he knows about (competing products?) or whatever is going on. I know he used to be pretty close to them.
" }-

Most definitely I agree with Gerard that Spy1 (Pete, very dear old friend of mine) has always been the guy who to inform you about SpyCop!
Until Pete is able to post here, a short posting by me.
I had contact with the original devellopper of SpyCop, Grey McKenzie.
As I understood the "ethics disagreement" is about this:
Grey wants to focus on the program "SpyCop Cloak". As you know, SpyCop is a re-active program, meaning that you can only scan with it on-demand. The new "SpyCop Cloak" is a pro-active program. As of yet I have no knowledge of "SpyCop Cloak", meaning that I have not run it myself.
Having received the email from Grey I still see contradictions about SpyCop-SpyReveal. I hope these contradictions will be solved.

FanJ

March 22nd, 2009, 11:49 PM

-{ Quote: "anyway is it effective againts today's malware?any links related to test reviews on spycop?thanks" }-

Hi jmonge,

SpyCop has always been meant to detect commercially available spy-software (think of commercial key-loggers here; for example your boss spying on you etc.). That and only that has always been its target. It has never meant to detect other things. It's a niche market.

jmonge

March 23rd, 2009, 12:42 AM

-{ Quote: "Hi jmonge,

SpyCop has always been meant to detect commercially available spy-software (think of commercial key-loggers here; for example your boss spying on you etc.). That and only that has always been its target. It has never meant to detect other things. It's a niche market." }-ah,i see but does it do a good job at what it suppose do?comercial keyloggers?thanks

LockBox

March 23rd, 2009, 01:26 AM

Thanks, FanJ....

Your post shows that, as we are often reminded, sometimes things are not always as simple as they seem. I agree...it will be good to hear from Pete.

Thanks FanJ and have a good day!

FanJ

March 24th, 2009, 02:41 PM

-{ Quote: "ah,i see but does it do a good job at what it suppose do?comercial keyloggers?thanks" }-

Yes, it does as far as I know.

FanJ

March 24th, 2009, 02:55 PM

-{ Quote: "Thanks, FanJ....

Your post shows that, as we are often reminded, sometimes things are not always as simple as they seem. I agree...it will be good to hear from Pete.

Thanks FanJ and have a good day!" }-

Hi Gerard,

You're most welcome, and thanks to you as well !

In the meanwhile caspian has just posted in the other thread:
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1431032&postcount=18

(If I would have known that there was already another thread about the whole topic, I would not have started this one of course).

As you wrote "Your post shows that, as we are often reminded, sometimes things are not always as simple as they seem". I agree. That pretty much describes it well ;)

Page42

March 24th, 2009, 03:28 PM

From what I can gather,
SpyReveal is the same as the old SpyCop.
SpyCop Cloak is now a full-blown AS that runs in real-time.
And no one has elaborated on the statement, "Due to an ethics disagreement between vendor and distributor, the product that you knew as SpyCop is now SpyReveal. New sales company, identical product."
Have I got this right?
That ethics disagreement language sure leaves a stone unturned, doesn't it?

jmonge

March 24th, 2009, 03:41 PM

-{ Quote: "Yes, it does as far as I know." }-thanks:) is the free trial offers real time protection?thanks again

FanJ

March 24th, 2009, 03:41 PM

Hi,

Surely the words "ethics disagreement" do raise questions. And it caused confusion.
But it isn't up to us to discuss what happened in a company. That is something between the persons involved.

FanJ

March 24th, 2009, 03:50 PM

-{ Quote: "thanks:) is the free trial offers real time protection?thanks again" }-

Hi jmonge,

In case you are talking about SpyReveal, the answer is "no". SpyCop in the past, and SpyReveal now, do not give realtime protection. It doesn't matter whether in trial mode or in paid-for mode: there is only on-demand scanning.

As for "SpyCop Cloak": I have not yet experience with it.

jmonge

March 24th, 2009, 03:58 PM

-{ Quote: "Hi jmonge,

In case you are talking about SpyReveal, the answer is "no". SpyCop in the past, and SpyReveal now, do not give realtime protection. It doesn't matter whether in trial mode or in paid-for mode: there is only on-demand scanning.

As for "SpyCop Cloak": I have not yet experience with it." }-is spycop same as SpyCop Cloak or spyreveal?thanks

FanJ

March 24th, 2009, 04:07 PM

-{ Quote: "is spycop same as SpyCop Cloak or spyreveal?thanks" }-

No, SpyCop Cloak is a completely different program.

Please think about what you're asking. How can it be the same program as SpyCop or SpyReveal, when (as I just posted) SpyCop Cloak is meant to be there in real-time, and SpyCop/SpyReveal only on-demand.

jmonge

March 24th, 2009, 04:19 PM

-{ Quote: "No, SpyCop Cloak is a completely different program.

Please think about what you're asking. How can it be the same program as SpyCop or SpyReveal, when (as I just posted) SpyCop Cloak is meant to be there in real-time, and SpyCop/SpyReveal only on-demand." }-does it include trial version?how long?which one is better?:)

Page42

March 24th, 2009, 04:31 PM

-{ Quote: "Surely the words "ethics disagreement" do raise questions. And it caused confusion.
But it isn't up to us to discuss what happened in a company. That is something between the persons involved." }-
I disagree. You may not think it is worthy of discussion, but I certainly do. The term "ethics disagreement" can mean a lot of things. And many of them can impact customer/users directly and profoundly. I could rattle off a few examples, but I don't wish to start rumors. Discussing what the ethics disagreement is about is useless, however, until and unless the responsible parties shed some light on what they are talking about. FWIW, I still won't run the program until I learn more.

spy1

March 25th, 2009, 09:35 PM

To put it very simply, when your own government can monitor your every keystroke, website visit and "Search" you perform via illegal means, the "threat" of keyloggers kind of shrinks into insignificance for me.

But to answer the question-at-hand - no, I haven't communicated with SpyCop/SpyReveal since the change.

Yes, I did d/l, install and run the new program (no surprises there, all seems the same). Just now checked for updates and there was a pretty big one (or at least it took a long time to load) - going to run the program again shortly to see if there's anything newly-found.

No, I don't understand why you don't have to pay for updates anymore (I happily paid for them before since I was so happy with the program).

Yes, I still do trust the program itself - I have no reason not to.

The "techs" at SpyCop/SpyReveal were usually a lot more lucid and straightforward than, perhaps, the owner himself - maybe I can find out something via that route if I ever get time to do so.

Sorry I can't tell you more. There's been a lot going on in my personal life lately - both good and bad. Handling it all, but busy, very busy..... Pete

Page42

March 26th, 2009, 03:40 AM

-{ Quote: "The "techs" at SpyCop/SpyReveal were usually a lot more lucid and straightforward than, perhaps, the owner himself - maybe I can find out something via that route if I ever get time to do so." }-
In an odd way, I found that to be the case also, now that you mention it.

spyreveal

April 2nd, 2009, 03:00 PM

Hello Guys,

I am one of the partners involved in SpyReveal. I will be handling marketing and management of the overall SpyReveal product. Our new strategy involves being more open and more community involvement in our product.

I can not specifically disclose why the security scanner is no longer involved with SpyCop. Look at this way the security scanner was a product of SpyCop's for 10 years, something happened to trigger the partnership to end.

Either way our focus is to move past our ethics disagreement with SpyCop, and rebrand as SpyReveal.

If you guys have questions, I'd love to answer. If you have any suggestions for SpyReveal, I'd love to hear them as well. We plan on doing a complete UI overhaul down the road.

Thanks,
SpyReveal

Page42

April 2nd, 2009, 04:25 PM

-{ Quote: "If you have any suggestions for SpyReveal, I'd love to hear them as well." }-
Security software developers here at Wilders all tend have their name somewhere on their profile or their signature. Would you like to introduce yourself to us?

spyreveal

April 2nd, 2009, 07:38 PM

I am the original developer for SpyCop Security Scanner now rebranded as Spy Reveal.

FanJ

April 2nd, 2009, 08:21 PM

-{ Quote: "Kevin Miles, the original developer for SpyCop Security Scanner now rebranded as Spy Reveal." }-

At least I'm glad that we have now a name finally.

Next thing is that the admin LowWaterMark confirms that you're actually posting from spyreveal.

But now about who is the original developer of SpyCop:
You or Grey McKenzie?

spyreveal

April 3rd, 2009, 01:07 AM

The security scanner was developed by myself, through my company KMCS Online. Grey McKenzie had an exclusive marketing contract to resell my scanner as SpyCop Security Scanner. I've recently canceled the exclusive marketing contract to SpyCop for various reasons, and hired on a new partner to help grow the product now rebranded as SpyReveal.

So the product you have all come to love is actually developed from KMCS Online, now rebranded as SpyReveal. SpyCop itself is just a marketing company...

Hope this helps. I didn't want to get into too much detail but I think this does help!

jmonge

April 3rd, 2009, 01:10 AM

does spyreveal has a realtime shield and is there a trial version so we can tried and is it fully funtional trial or limited?thanks

i tried the other day spycop cloak;D what is the diference between spycop cloak and spyreveal?thanks again

spyreveal

April 4th, 2009, 10:15 PM

We do not currently have a realtime shield. You can try our trial at:
http://www.spyreveal.com/download.htm

SpyReveal Scanner (Previously known as SpyCop Scanner) - Searches your hard drive for the presence of commercial surveillance products already installed. Identifies threats by name and company and assists with proper eradication.

SpyCop Cloak - Helps prevent any spy programs from operating should they be present by intercepting driver calls. Does NOT identify the threats or remove them from your system.

spyreveal

April 12th, 2009, 02:16 PM

Just wanted to let you guys know we've rebranded the SpyReveal website. Our website thoroughly explains what we do, and how we can protect you.

Any feedback on the website is welcome :)

jmonge

April 12th, 2009, 02:27 PM

in the spyreveal trial do you offer a complete removal of malware during the trial or have to buy before testing?how many days for trial?is it complete trial? thanks

FanJ

April 15th, 2009, 10:17 PM

For your info:
The SpyReveal program is giving now this info (see screenshot):

FanJ

April 16th, 2009, 08:07 PM

-{ Quote: "I am the original developer for SpyCop Security Scanner now rebranded as Spy Reveal." }-

Hi "spyreveal",

Please allow me to say this:

We have no means to decide in public whether you are actually the person you are saying you are.
This is an important issue. Do not underestimate this.
You have every right to edit your postings within the rules of the forum. But having done that, as you did (as shown in the screenshot), does not add to the trust you might be seeking.
There was already far too much confusion about the whole topic about SpyCop being now SpyReveal. Not anybody asked for that confusion, none of the SpyCop users.
It's up to you, pretending that you are the original developper of SpyCop and pretending that you are speaking on behalf of the SpyReveal Company, to prove that.
You HAVE to prove that. That is up to YOU.
Giving prove that you are actually the original developper (as you said) might be one thing.
But proving that you are actually speaking on behalf of the SpyReveal Company might be easier. Try to ask the board-owners whether they would like to confirm that you are actually posting from the SpyReveal Company.