rising internet security? anyone use it

[zfactor]

can you comment on it? resource wise and as a suite how well does it do? thanks just being curious anyone have screenshots of the suite not the regular av? looking for some possible other alternatives if norton pulls the garbage they seem to be planning. looking for stuff maybe i have not tried yet. i wish dr web would release their full suite id be using it already lol..

[quanzi_1507]

Screenshots:

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[zfactor]

any more info on it? what is it like resource wise? does it slow down http? etc?? is detection any good at all?

[RejZoR]

Rising is not all that bad actually. Only crappy side of it is the fact Active Defense doesn't work on 64bit systems (at least it wasn't like month ago). And thats really a shame.

Is there any info if Active Defense is also planned for 64bit systems?

[s4u]

It sure looks nice. I hear some great things about them

[gery]

Also some bad news >:(

[zen_usuario]

I'm using it, and I'm thinking "Active Defense" is compatible with 64bit systems:
"OS: Windows 2000/XP/2003/Vista/64 Bit" from "System Requirements" tab at this page: http://www.rising-global.com/products/Rising-Internet-Security-2009.html

For me is a nice suite, functional, easy to install it customizing all you want (modules, embedded scan, HIPS, etc) and reconfigurable all the time adding or uninstalling components. Good "Tools" tab, "Spyware" tool is "RISING PC Doctor" downloadable english from home page of RISING. Good helpfile also.

System impact ok for me, but this also depends of specific configuration and "security level" selected.

Well, an "all in one" without "parental control" and "anti spam" features, but with all the rest and more, allowed for free use also, with a very good granularity conception.

RISING detections (AV part) not show the "best" of the market, perhaps by are more focused on the asian market, but ok for me when combined with the other features.

There is a Virus Bulletin Product Review of RISING Internet Security 2009 (ris09) published at RISING, with good descriptions: http://www.rising-global.com/Information/News-Events/Virus-Bulletin-Product-Review-Rising-Internet-Security-2009.html

[RejZoR]

Smart Active Defense does not work on 64bit systems. There is a red cross in installer even before you install it.

[zen_usuario]

-{ Quote: "Smart Active Defense does not work on 64bit systems. There is a red cross in installer even before you install it." }-
Bad surprise :-\ I'm asking to Rising support for this. I'll inform you if some news I get ;)

[RejZoR]

I did the same lol :P

[zfactor]

ill await your responses then i guess since with 64bit that would be a issue for me

[zen_usuario]

I've got yesterday this reply from RISING support:

"Rising Antivirus can be installed on Windows98/Me or WindowsNT4.0/2000/XP/2003/Vista/64 Bit. But at present the Active Defense feature doesn't support Windows Vista 64bit, just auto-Protect can work fine."


@RejZoR

So, you were right, "Active Defense" from RISING AV or RISING Internet Security itsn't supported "at present" for Windows Vista 64bit :-\

[munckman]

-{ Quote: "I've got yesterday this reply from RISING support:

"Rising Antivirus can be installed on Windows98/Me or WindowsNT4.0/2000/XP/2003/Vista/64 Bit. But at present the Active Defense feature doesn't support Windows Vista 64bit, just auto-Protect can work fine." " }-

A modern AV for Windows 98/Me is kinda remarkable in its' own right!:isay:

Perhaps I won't cringe when someone asks about an AV for ME.:doubt: But for 98; this is outstanding news.:thumb: :argh: ;D

[zfactor]

lol but they dont support 64bit yet???

can someone tell me how many procc this uses the full suite and what the ram usage is like. also how large once installed?

how well does the firewall do for a basic user (the wife) she does very little on the net actually so something free like the suite they have may be perfect.

thanks

[RejZoR]

No. You can use Rising on 64bit systems just fine. You just can't run component called Smart Active Defense. SAD is more like an easy HIPS that protects only specific parts of the system (registry, filesystem and memory).
File monitoring (real-time scanner) and e-mail scanner work just fine.

[dw2108]

-{ Quote: "A modern AV for Windows 98/Me is kinda remarkable in its' own right!:isay:

Perhaps I won't cringe when someone asks about an AV for ME.:doubt: But for 98; this is outstanding news.:thumb: :argh: ;D" }-
Rising does seem to have enough protection for us 9x/ME die-hards, especially since most malware writers ar targeting the NT kernel and rooting the NTFS. Never-the-less, PAID (ULTRAHYPERMEGABUMMER) AVs are still out there for systems as old as Win 3.x, but RAV works well. It's on-demand scanner seeks and scans things 9x/ME systems can get. 4 thumbs up.

It's a strange world.

Dave

[RejZoR]

avast! works on systems from Win95 and up. With limited functionality (you have to manually setup mail and HTTP scanning, Network Shield doesn't work) though but everything else works.

[dw2108]

-{ Quote: "avast! works on systems from Win95 and up. With limited functionality (you have to manually setup mail and HTTP scanning, Network Shield doesn't work) though but everything else works." }-
Yeah, RejZoR, I know, but they keep threatening to discontinue 9x/ME/2000/NT support, and I couldn't stand the disappointment! And I gotta have at least 3 AVs running at once. ;D

Dave

[RejZoR]

Well, to be honest, it's time to let go those ancient operating systems.
Win95, 98 and Me are almost and over 10 years old and completelly outdated.
So bloating your programs with ancient code just because 500 ppl still use them is just not economical.

[dw2108]

-{ Quote: "Well, to be honest, it's time to let go those ancient operating systems.
Win95, 98 and Me are almost and over 10 years old and completelly outdated.
So bloating your programs with ancient code just because 500 ppl still use them is just not economical." }-
Seriously, I'm just using Rising on a PC with the 16-bit Win 95 pre-release from 1993. Scripting is diabled, so Rising checks realtime for other minor problems and potentially harmful DOS. Your remark reminds me one Vista reviewer who wrote, " ... and it cost only 2 GB RAM for this Microsoft downgrade ... ." Nothing could be more of a downgrade than the Win 95 16-bit which which runs at less ram. Perhaps these old OSs shall fall one day in the category of "alternate operating systems." ;D

Dave

[tipstir]

Okay so this has low impact on system resources. Does the AV scans for bad cookies also that trace your movements.

[andyman35]

-{ Quote: "Well, to be honest, it's time to let go those ancient operating systems.
Win95, 98 and Me are almost and over 10 years old and completelly outdated.
So bloating your programs with ancient code just because 500 ppl still use them is just not economical." }-
I hope you have your tin helmet on when saying such things,there are those that will fight to the death for their pet OSes.:)

[zen_usuario]

-{ Quote: "Does the AV scans for bad cookies also that trace your movements." }-
All I know, not. Better another tools for this (Spybot Search&Destroy....others), or erase directly when you close your browser (configure it for automate). Cookies aren't malwares, so the AV do not catch them.
But yes filters the bad or suspicious scripts downloadables from the web ("Active Defense"> "Web Trojan Defense").

[dw2108]

-{ Quote: "Okay so this has low impact on system resources. Does the AV scans for bad cookies also that trace your movements." }-
For the 16-bit Win 95, the browser is NetScape 1.01, which came out before the cookie. On 2000, XP and beyond, and with Rising being a relatively new AV/HIPS, it seems, the jury is still out. Perhaps the AV Comparatives will provide us one day with some very illative -- hopefully very good -- info about RAV and RIS. And cookie control, now being a *.js function with the _utma.js and other js files, should be considered now as a problem, especially from those websites which put a cookie on your drive such that when deleted, it uses a registry key to genrate a new tracking cookie on reboot. Ditto the FILE, 0 kb GIF/JPG/JPEG/PNG/BMP and DAT cookies, as well as those which use unicode names.

Dave

[tipstir]

Thanks too all those who had replied to me here...

I had just gave this a try to see if current PC Tools Spyware Doctor with Antivirus SE (freeware version) was it doing it's job on the most active system on my network? Results were it was doing it's job and Rising AV didn't find anything on the system though it took a very, very, very, very long time to do so... I've opted out of Rising AV and gone back with current PC Tools Spyware Doctor with Antivirus SE (freeware version) for now.. I had to use Revo Uninstaller to get rid of Rising AV huge impact on the file system. Ran tune-up utilities to finalize the impact..

[gery]

what you are using is not the light type of software but it is surely more efficient then Rising AV par of RIS. I would rather choose other applications for protection such as AVAST free or AVIRA free combined with SAS or MBAM and PCTOOLS Firewall but you are the one to decide

[zen_usuario]

-{ Quote: "Results were it was doing it's job and Rising AV didn't find anything on the system though it took a very, very, very, very long time to do" }-

Rising AV took very long time for system scan because:
1- It hasn't a very fast scan engine.
2- The first system scan takes a lot more time because hash check of every file scanned (for not scan successfully if files not change), so next scans can be more fast.

Rising AV is only a component of Rising Internet Security, and (for me) not the more important or critical, and must be properly configured if you like the "highest" protection.
For anti-trojan/anti-spyware you can use also Rising PC Doctor (downloadable from their home page). After installing it you should show it included at "Tools" tab from Rising Internet Security.

But all the other tools you named, PC Tools, and others, Avira, Avast!, Comodo, .... are very good solutions also.

[1timeuserrr]

I've been testing Rising Internet Security 2009 for almost a couple of weeks and here is what I think about it:

PROS:
A more than acceptable detection rate (failed some old viruses/worms)
Light on resources
No slowdown on my Core2Duo laptop
HIPS protection
Highly customizable and efficient firewall (even blocked 1 port more than Norton Internet Security 2009)
Boot up scan
Rising Cloud Security
Scans files transferred via Live Messenger


CONS:
Detection rate not as good as Kaspersky's, McAfee's, Avira, etc.
No antispyware module (Rising recommends to install PC Doctor but PC Doctor doesn't update daily and I didn't feel it like a serious piece of software)
No parental control
Two daily updates (I'm used to hourly updates like in Kaspersky and Norton)
No "security vault" where one can enter part of a credit card number or sensitive data and alerts when the data tries to leave the computer


I didn't feel well protected probably because I'm used to frequently updates or McAfee's Artemis system, etc., also because it missed some viruses, worms and malware I tested against it.

I have a valid subscription to McAfee Total Security but it's network control module fails in my laptop so I finally installed Norton Internet Security to try it's new Pulse system and blah, blah. The thing updates each 5 to 10 minutes, runs very fast and it's very lightweight. I will keep testing it but something I don't like is it's limited customizable firewall.

[tipstir]

-{ Quote: "what you are using is not the light type of software but it is surely more efficient then Rising AV par of RIS. I would rather choose other applications for protection such as AVAST free or AVIRA free combined with SAS or MBAM and PCTOOLS Firewall but you are the one to decide" }-

My goals is protection, second light on the system resources. I have other programs that protect the system but again they run once don't stick around. I have' tried what you have mention here prior years. PC Tools Firewall Plus the 3.14 is the best one after that too slow. I need the system to to be quick, not dragging. AVAST Free doesn't catch everything and when I turned on PC Tools SDAV it found more than what AVAST was trying to do which was nothing. F-Prot AV F-Securied but they had issues not catching everything or couldn't remove effected software. Spyware Doctor with AV SE is good enough, the Full with everything enable slows the system and network down. Rising AV might sound great, I know fellow network IT guy uses it, but doesn't mean to say what works for him might not work for me. I am sure you guys like this program.

I had installed software that had a known Trojan embeded and I wanted to see which AV could detect it. One of those Worm-Bots. AVAST never detected it, but PC Tools SDAV didn't let it install on the system big red sign popup Block or Allow the process, then RegAdmin and PCFWP also had there warnings since it uses code injection.

[tipstir]

-{ Quote: "Rising AV took very long time for system scan because:
1- It hasn't a very fast scan engine.
2- The first system scan takes a lot more time because hash check of every file scanned (for not scan successfully if files not change), so next scans can be more fast.

Rising AV is only a component of Rising Internet Security, and (for me) not the more important or critical, and must be properly configured if you like the "highest" protection.
For anti-trojan/anti-spyware you can use also Rising PC Doctor (downloadable from their home page). After installing it you should show it included at "Tools" tab from Rising Internet Security.

But all the other tools you named, PC Tools, and others, Avira, Avast!, Comodo, .... are very good solutions also." }-

Avira back in 2001 was great, but then it wasn't protecting the system, so was AVAST. I've gone back to check how they are. Ads or nags in Avira Free I don't know about the pay version. AVAST Free and Pro too me still hog the system. PC Tools AV free did a better job finding so much nasty stuff on my server as AVAST doesn't work on Server OS, but PC Tools Free SDAV does along with their Firewall Plus.

SDAV updates and scans daily on it's own, all pre-set. Full scans over the weekend. FWP udpates on it's own also. I know AVAST does speak and let you know what it's doing that's okay but it doesn't scan the system auto you have to do it manually. Comodo firewall didn't support more nodes on a network only one or two nodes, but their software was slow to scan for malware on start-up. I didn't care for the full version with AV either. AVG not a fan of that one either.

Everything here runs PC Tools Firewall Plus and SDAV even on older PCs like DELL C600 with PIII 850MHz/512MB of RAM XP Pro SP3 no problem even a 11 year old laptop made by Toshiba Tecra 8000 PII 266MHz/256MB of RAM runs XP Pro SP3 wireless Buffalo HP G54 PCMICA. Key with that one is to uses 7200RPM HDD. I've rebuilt the laptop and repair them also. Make to them keep on going.

[dw2108]

One thing that I don't like about RAV, Rising PC Doctor, or RIS is that should one decide to uninstall any of these, then one had best go into each "subcomponent" and uncheck anything with a check beside it, system.ini, hosts protection, etc. Otherwise there could be a "hooked" unistall. From what I'v seen, there are many free AVs out there which are better and lighter with respect to ram and resource usage. Hopefully, RAV shall become a real contender which is still light.

Dave

[tekkaman]

What is the difference between the Internet security and using the av and firewall separately? Does it have more features?

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "What is the difference between the Internet security and using the av and firewall separately? Does it have more features?" }-

better compaitiblity i guess? all in one package makes it more streamlined i suppose, other than that im not sure abotu specifics.

[deadmeat]

Several of this company's executives were arrested recently and face charges for fraud and corruption. I do not trust anything from Rising. Just check how many times your Rising apps connect to Chinese IP's each day. For what?

[ghodgson]

I still use Rising AV but you never know what is going on................

http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/us_world/Researchers-Cyber-Spies-Break-Into-Govt-Computers.html


Gordon

[dw2108]

I'm done with Rising -- too many calls to home without my permission. It would be very nice if some rep from Rising would chance posting here as to explain why this free AV is causing so much concern amongst those who used it.

Dave

[zen_usuario]

For now, I'm still using it and happy with its performances and low resources needs.

Glad to see it updates more times in one day now.

No problem for me if they do not post here, because allways I've got replyes from their support team.

HIPS, AV & FW for free..., runs ok for needs of mine..., uhmm..., I like it! :)

[firzen771]

-{ Quote: "I'm done with Rising -- too many calls to home without my permission. It would be very nice if some rep from Rising would chance posting here as to explain why this free AV is causing so much concern amongst those who used it.

Dave" }-

i THINK that the reason it homes home is because it has some sort of in-cloud tech, u can expect this from ALL incloud software.