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JayK
February 29th, 2004, 10:17 AM
What is your favourite and presumably main browser that you use on the net?
Please state reasons.
snowbound
February 29th, 2004, 10:23 AM
IE, because i like to live dangerously. ;) :D
snowbound
gerardwil
February 29th, 2004, 10:25 AM
Hi,
MyIE2,
Tabbed browsing, and i use a few settings/shortcuts i need.
Succes,
Gerard
gerardwil
February 29th, 2004, 10:28 AM
Hi again,
I expect to change to Firefox when version 1 is released.
Using it every now and then.
Gerard
JayK
February 29th, 2004, 10:34 AM
{QUOTE-> quoting: snowbound link=board=19;threadid=23202;start=0#msg137575 date=1078068223]
IE, because i like to live dangerously. ;) :D
snowbound
<-QUOTE}
That's another poll.
peakaboo
February 29th, 2004, 11:07 AM
Opera
+ it's not a beta
+ speed
+ security
+ M2 mail client option
+ passes all browser security tests thrown at it
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=11975
I could go on... but don't feel it's necessary - the Opera browser speaks for itself 8)
subratam
February 29th, 2004, 11:20 AM
Mainly FireFox
But got Opera too which I use often when I feel
IE is there though used very less, and mainly on needs of updates etc
JayK
February 29th, 2004, 11:30 AM
{QUOTE-> quoting: peakaboo link=board=19;threadid=23202;start=0#msg137597 date=1078070855]
Opera
+ speed
+ security
+ M2 mail client option
+ passes all browser security tests thrown at it
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=11975
I could go on... but don't have time 8)
<-QUOTE}
As long as you don't use IE it's fine by me. But Opera is destined to be no more than a bit player in the next browser wars I'm afraid because it requires $$$ (ad supported version not withstanding).
controler
February 29th, 2004, 12:08 PM
Firefox and Opera here too ;D
controler
c0ltran3
February 29th, 2004, 01:08 PM
Mainly Firefox. Sometimes Avant Browser.
meneer
February 29th, 2004, 02:36 PM
Firefoxing on my windows and linux systems.
And I don't mind it's not a 1.0. If every 1.0 was as stable, fast and user friendly as the fox, we would live in a different world.
Grummy
February 29th, 2004, 03:39 PM
Firefox...Firefox...Firefox !!
solarpowered candle
February 29th, 2004, 04:25 PM
Echo
gkweb
February 29th, 2004, 06:05 PM
echo bis !
snowbound
February 29th, 2004, 06:08 PM
Hey JayK, :)
What is your main Browser when surfing the net. ;)
snowbound
bigc73542
February 29th, 2004, 06:56 PM
I use opera on windows and linux simply because I can do more with it . I do like firefox but it just does not feel as finnished as opera. ;) *puppy*
Pieter_Arntz
March 1st, 2004, 04:18 AM
{QUOTE-> quoting: bigc73542 link=board=19;threadid=23202;start=15#msg137843 date=1078099005]
I use opera on windows and linux
<-QUOTE}
Echo :)
Pieter
JayK
March 1st, 2004, 08:38 AM
I can't believe so far only 3 people have confessed to using IE (actually 2 + 1 IE shell). I know this is a security forum and the numbers using IE won't be as hiigh (typically 80-90% at least), but this is ridiculous.
I wonder if there is some selection effect really, where IE users feel shy and guility that they are using IE and not some other browser.
Come on IE users, come here and be counted. We won't laugh at you (not much anyway).
Mullyman
March 1st, 2004, 09:19 AM
IE because i like it and i want to!...Damn you can"t even have a poll without you adding your little negative comments,bye the way you still haven"t answered the question....what do you use...everyone is so curious as to what mr. security uses 8)
subratam
March 1st, 2004, 09:37 AM
Mully,
I am waiting too... maybe we should follow JayK's advices but.. still what browser does he use? ::) ::)
JayK
March 1st, 2004, 10:36 AM
{QUOTE-> quoting: subratam link=board=19;threadid=23202;start=15#msg138064 date=1078151859]
Mully,
I am waiting too...
<-QUOTE}
Why? I'm a nobody. I'm sure the forum gains more from learning the choice of browsers by such an expert (700 posts in 3 months!) as yourself. :)
{QUOTE->
maybe we should follow JayK's advices but.. still what browser does he use? ::) ::)
<-QUOTE}
It's not IE for sure! But surely you have guessed by now?
JayK
March 1st, 2004, 10:41 AM
{QUOTE-> quoting: Mullyman link=board=19;threadid=23202;start=15#msg138054 date=1078150772]
IE because i like it and i want to!...Damn you can"t even have a poll without you adding your little negative comments,bye the way you still haven"t answered the question....what do you use...everyone is so curious as to what mr. security uses 8)
<-QUOTE}
Mullyman
If you don't want to vote in the poll I started, then don't.
Your post is far more negative then anything I have said so far.
Pieter_Arntz
March 1st, 2004, 10:46 AM
Gents, can you refrain from the personal remarks and stay on topic?
Regards,
Pieter
Detox
March 1st, 2004, 01:22 PM
Well, I've responded mozilla because all I have used in the past couple weeks is Firefox and it's done everything I've needed. Had I answered before this, I would have been another "IE" and to be honest the only other browser I ever used at all was Netscape and that was never on my own machine. Obviously IE is still on the system for Windows Update, but I've removed the shortcut and quickstart. In the end, JayK may well have saved me from future trouble by always pointing out that IE just isn't a very secyre browser. ;)
crockett
March 1st, 2004, 06:41 PM
Opera... Opera... Opera....
Hi guys :) Hope everything is fine with all of you... I love to see browsers still arise so much passion from websecurity addicts ! :)
Tabbed browsing, mail client, advanced security features, one click preferences access, powerful cookie manager, still to be improved referrer handling, stability, quickness, intelligence, unlimited tweaking capacities, open forum where beta testers can simply jump in and participate, mouse gestures to pilot the browser using mouse alone if one so desires, innovative spirit and technology, never ending search for improvement and perfection, and so much more... You name it.
Curious to know if any other browser on the market does possess a feature Opera wouldn't... Might be... Dunno.
I think the only thing which could possibly prevent Opera from becoming 90% of the Internet users's number one choice is the ad banner - though it's very easy to live with it after all.
Anyway, I still have much respect for the Mozilla teams and their open source philosophy. Although I don't think Firefox/Mozilla - though the best contenders - are anywhere near Opera's impressive richness and polished excellence by now, I nevertheless wish these products the best luck possible. No doubt I would be riding on these ones should Opera not exist.
Regards, have fun, see you soon. ;)
Crockett 8)
Vince
March 1st, 2004, 07:12 PM
1. IE Windows at home predominatly
2. Slimbrowser Windows at home transitioning to
3. Netscape Windows and Solairs in office
4. Opera Windows at home to keep in touch
LowWaterMark
March 2nd, 2004, 06:28 PM
{QUOTE-> quoting: JayK link=board=19;threadid=23202;start=15#msg138042 date=1078148285]I can't believe so far only 3 people have confessed to using IE (actually 2 + 1 IE shell). I know this is a security forum and the numbers using IE won't be as hiigh (typically 80-90% at least), but this is ridiculous. <-QUOTE}
Every time I've spot checked the access logs here, and on my own download site, the proportion of IE users is about 82-83%, (mostly using IE6 though a few percent are on IE 5.X).
bigc73542
March 2nd, 2004, 06:53 PM
82-83% is a pretty large chunk of the users here. :o
peakaboo
March 2nd, 2004, 06:55 PM
{QUOTE-> quoting: LowWaterMark link=board=19;threadid=23202;start=15#msg138829 date=1078270098]
Every time I've spot checked the access logs here, and on my own download site, the proportion of IE users is about 82-83%, (mostly using IE6 though a few percent are on IE 5.X).
<-QUOTE}
did you adjust for the IE spoofers? 8)
LowWaterMark
March 2nd, 2004, 07:01 PM
Of course there's a margin for error in those numbers, but it is not so surprising when you think about it.
A lot of you are thinking about the "regulars" here - those who post a lot - probably using other browsers, but remember a lot of people come in and go out for things like Javacool downloads and information, HijackThis log reviews, etc. Also, people pass through from a hit on a big search engine, and perhaps never post anything and don't stay long.
I'd be surprised if the error ratio is all that big, but I'm sure there is some.
peakaboo
March 2nd, 2004, 07:08 PM
1) with 10k+ members I don't know what percent of traffic is just passing thru.
2) easy poll - How many spoof as a different Browser and or O/S
bigc73542
March 2nd, 2004, 07:10 PM
I confess I spoof my browser as IE6 8)
beetlejuice
March 2nd, 2004, 07:51 PM
{QUOTE->
How many spoof as a different Browser and or O/S
<-QUOTE}
Well until 3 days ago, I was on IE6. Now I've got Firefox. Hey peakaboo, could tell me how to spoof my OS and browser? Win98SE-Firefox. I have no idea how. Thanks.
peakaboo
March 2nd, 2004, 08:48 PM
{QUOTE-> Hey peakaboo, could tell me how to spoof my OS and browser? Win98SE-Firefox. I have no idea how. <-QUOTE}
Get proxomitron. Use the header filter for User-Agent (out) and customize how u want to appear. Also may want to check the web page filter to hide browser version from Js...
Or just get Opera, hit f12 and click how your browser appears (Opera doesn't spoof the O/S yet) ;)
JayK
March 3rd, 2004, 08:37 AM
{QUOTE-> quoting: peakaboo link=board=19;threadid=23202;start=30#msg138887 date=1078278537]
{QUOTE-> Hey peakaboo, could tell me how to spoof my OS and browser? Win98SE-Firefox. I have no idea how. <-QUOTE}
Get proxomitron. Use the header filter for User-Agent (out) and customize how u want to appear. Also may want to check the web page filter to hide browser version from Js...
Or just get Opera, hit f12 and click how your browser appears (Opera doesn't spoof the O/S yet) ;)
<-QUOTE}
Not necessary for firefox. You can do it withput an extension but easiest is probably to use the user agent switcher extension,
http://chrispederick.myacen.com/work/firebird/useragentswitcher/
JayK
March 3rd, 2004, 08:50 AM
{QUOTE-> quoting: LowWaterMark link=board=19;threadid=23202;start=15#msg138829 date=1078270098]
{QUOTE-> quoting: JayK link=board=19;threadid=23202;start=15#msg138042 date=1078148285]I can't believe so far only 3 people have confessed to using IE (actually 2 + 1 IE shell). I know this is a security forum and the numbers using IE won't be as hiigh (typically 80-90% at least), but this is ridiculous. <-QUOTE}
Every time I've spot checked the access logs here, and on my own download site, the proportion of IE users is about 82-83%, (mostly using IE6 though a few percent are on IE 5.X).
<-QUOTE}
Interesting this is the first time, I've seen an admin comment directly about usage of browsers on wilders. I hinted about it before, but Paul declined to answer , hence this poll.
I agree with your points , the error probably isn't too large even with spoofing by default Opera is spoofed as IE).
At any rate 82-83% is slightly low for IE, most sites would register at least 90-95%. . As mentioned before this being a security site helps explains this.
peakaboo
March 3rd, 2004, 12:43 PM
{QUOTE-> quoting: JayK link=board=19;threadid=23202;start=30#msg139083 date=1078321056]
{QUOTE-> quoting: peakaboo link=board=19;threadid=23202;start=30#msg138887 date=1078278537]
Get proxomitron. Use the header filter for User-Agent (out) and customize how u want to appear. Also may want to check the web page filter to hide browser version from Js...
Or just get Opera, hit f12 and click how your browser appears (Opera doesn't spoof the O/S yet) ;)
<-QUOTE}
Not necessary for firefox. You can do it withput an extension but easiest is probably to use the user agent switcher extension,
http://chrispederick.myacen.com/work/firebird/useragentswitcher/
<-QUOTE}
Not that its a big deal but curious if the firefox extension you referenced:
1) works against https sites:
https://testzone.secunia.com/browser_checker
and
2) does it effectively hide Browser's Version from JS
Prince_Serendip
March 3rd, 2004, 01:03 PM
;D Opera Rocks! ;D
beetlejuice
March 3rd, 2004, 08:02 PM
{QUOTE->
Get proxomitron. Use the header filter for User-Agent (out) and customize how u want to appear. Also may want to check the web page filter to hide browser version from Js...
Or just get Opera, hit f12 and click how your browser appears (Opera doesn't spoof the O/S yet) ;)
<-QUOTE}
OK Peakaboo. I got Proxo 4.5 (May version, couldn't find the final). I think I got it configured correctly to FF.. As soon as I opened Firefox, ZA ask me if I wanted to allow Proxo to access to the internet. Then I did the a² online check and got this----
Starting a² Online-Check for IP ***.***.***.*** on 3/4/2004 1:34:04 AM (IP showed correctly here).
Security-Test:
Public available information about your PC resp. your network are collected.
Your IP address: ***.***.***.*** (The IP showed correctly, but I'm not worried about that.)
This is what I got with the public information test.
Server Error in '/' Application.
Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
Description: An unhandled exception occurred during the execution of the current web request. Please review the stack trace for more information about the error and where it originated in the code.
Exception Details: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
Source Error:
Line 83: <body onFocus="scrolling = false" onBlur="scrolling = true" onMouseOver="scrolling = false"
Line 84: onMouseOut="scrolling = true" bgcolor="white">
Line 85: <%StartScan();%>
Line 86: <input type="button" onclick="print()" value="Print Report">
Line 87: <input type="button" onclick="document.execCommand('SaveAs');" value="Save Report">
Source File: c:\inetpub\wwwroot\en\scan.aspx Line: 85
Stack Trace:
[NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.]
a2oc.publicinfos.GetOS(String Agent) in Z:\Inetpub\wwwroot\publicinfos.cs:25
a2oc.en.scan.StartScan() in Z:\Inetpub\wwwroot\en\scan.aspx.cs:114
ASP.scan_aspx.__Render__control1(HtmlTextWriter __output, Control parameterContainer) in c:\inetpub\wwwroot\en\scan.aspx:85
System.Web.UI.Control.RenderChildren(HtmlTextWriter writer) +27
System.Web.UI.Control.Render(HtmlTextWriter writer) +7
System.Web.UI.Control.RenderControl(HtmlTextWriter writer) +243
System.Web.UI.Page.ProcessRequestMain() +1929
This was with AOL/FF. I ran this 2 times and came up with the same result.
I did the checks on AOL/IE browser also. It displayed all O/S and browser info correctly--BAH.
So I guess I've got the O/S and browser spoofing sucessfully done and I've got you to thank for it. A cookie for all your help.
If you see anything that doesn't look right, please let me know.
EDIT: After all this I just happened to fine the June (final) version. Which is better?
peakaboo
March 3rd, 2004, 10:15 PM
Hi beetlejuice,
I would use the June version of 4.5. If you decide to use an annonymous proxy with proxomitron, and the proxy fails 4.5 will not revert to connect direct or something like that - in other words if your proxy stops working so do you. The May version let's you keep going but probably does not warn you that your proxy has failed.
Anyway I just ran a² online check and this is what I got:
BTW: I had the proxo log window up and this test was using the Js Browser version pull trick
If you need help with proxo there are a few good boards around still.
Portscan:
You computer is scanned for open ports now.
Of the 100 ports tested all were closed.
Your operating system: Windows XP <= wrong
Your browser: Firefox <= wrong
You did run the Online-Check 0 times before. <= wrong
Exploit-Test:
Your browser will be checked for installed ActiveX components of Dialers, etc. now.
This test can only be completed with VBScript activated.
Browser-Check:
Your browser configuration will be checked for risks now.
Visual Basic Script (VBScript) Test: VBScript is not activated
etc.
[hr]
still munchin on dat cookie - Thanks :D
beetlejuice
March 4th, 2004, 08:09 AM
{QUOTE->
still munchin on dat cookie - Thanks :D
<-QUOTE}
peakaboo, you've been such a big help, well have another cookie. ;D
JayK
March 4th, 2004, 01:06 PM
{QUOTE-> quoting: peakaboo link=board=19;threadid=23202;start=30#msg139152 date=1078335793]
{QUOTE-> quoting: JayK link=board=19;threadid=23202;start=30#msg139083 date=1078321056]
{QUOTE-> quoting: peakaboo link=board=19;threadid=23202;start=30#msg138887 date=1078278537]
Or just get Opera, hit f12 and click how your browser appears (Opera doesn't spoof the O/S yet) ;)
<-QUOTE}
Not necessary for firefox. You can do it withput an extension but easiest is probably to use the user agent switcher extension,
http://chrispederick.myacen.com/work/firebird/useragentswitcher/
<-QUOTE}
Not that its a big deal but curious if the firefox extension you referenced:
1) works against https sites:
https://testzone.secunia.com/browser_checker
and
<-QUOTE}
Yes
{QUOTE-> <-QUOTE}
2) does it effectively hide Browser's Version from JS
{QUOTE-> <-QUOTE}
Yes. (In most cases, anyway)
rdsu
April 7th, 2004, 06:51 PM
I prefer the Gecko Engine, but MyIE2 give me a lot of options, plugins and much more...
Dazed_and_Confused
April 19th, 2004, 08:47 PM
Well I have to confess - I'm using an IE Shell (NetCaptor). I really like it, though (especially the tabbed windows). But knowing that IE is like Swiss Cheese when it comes to security, I assume IE Shells are just as vunerable. And that makes bothers me since I take pride in my security portfolio. I'm getting a new and faster PC soon. At that time I think I'm going to play the field for a while.
hokhost
April 20th, 2004, 01:27 PM
I would go for Opera too if the mail client could:
- download my mails
- and still let them on the mail server until I delete them from the M2 interface.
I tried Opera 7.23 a while back and that couldn't be done, whereas Thunderbird can.
I then use Firefox + Thunderbird.
libbo1
April 20th, 2004, 03:14 PM
me? Why Firefox of course!! :lurking:
Oremina
April 20th, 2004, 03:21 PM
For the past 9 months - Firefox.
;)
bellgamin
April 20th, 2004, 07:35 PM
My default/main browser is K-meleon. It runs on the Gecko engine, but not via xml, so it's a hair faster than Firefox. It doesn't have the memory leak that continues to plague Firefox & Mozilla. It is much more tweakable, but runs just fine out of the box, too.
Instead of tabs, K-mel uses "layers" which perform the same functions as tabs, but also lay eggs.
My back-up browser is Beonex, another gecko clone.
If I am forced to use IE {as when updating WIN-ME} I use Avant, an IE clone.
paz.........bellgamin
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
*In the words of Garbo: "Avant to be alone."
**How many legs does a 3-legged dog have if you call its tail a leg?
bigc73542
April 20th, 2004, 11:54 PM
{QUOTE-> I would go for Opera too if the mail client could:
- download my mails
- and still let them on the mail server until I delete them from the M2 interface.
I tried Opera 7.23 a while back and that couldn't be done, whereas Thunderbird can.
I then use Firefox + Thunderbird. <-QUOTE}
I use opera and thunderbird
dangitall
April 21st, 2004, 05:32 AM
I could've sworn that I replied to this one when it was first opened, but it appears not. Oh, well ... I'm using IE6.
the Tester
April 21st, 2004, 05:26 PM
Opera 7.50 is my main browser.
I use Firefox quite a bit though.
hlh70cloud99
April 22nd, 2004, 01:26 AM
Firefox for main browser.
I also like MyIE2. ;D
manOFpeace
April 23rd, 2004, 05:23 AM
I have only ever had IE because it just happened to be preinstalled and never have had to make a choice. ::)
Pieter_Arntz
April 23rd, 2004, 08:44 AM
Merlin Magician,
Your post was removed, because it was offensive.
Regards,
Pieter
Cochise
April 23rd, 2004, 05:30 PM
Internet Explorer....cos I wouldn't have a clue how to use anything else...in fact, still not quite sure how to use that!!!!.......all those other browsers appear Black and Furry and Oi be afeared of 'em. ;D ;D
Is there any kind of prize for admitting to using IE and OE.....
Cochise, 8) (Always open to ridicule) 8) ;D ;D
snipedog
April 24th, 2004, 12:52 AM
Cochise
Firefox is extremely easy to use and is setup very similar to IE. I would recommend you try it. It is so much safer than IE. I was somewhat afraid to try it at one time, but believe me if i can figure it out anyone can. You don't have to set it as your main browser if you don't want to, so you can still use IE. I still use IE myself sometimes, but prefer Firefox now.
Magica
April 25th, 2004, 05:52 AM
I use IE. There was Netscape on this pc too but I uninstalled it among with other programms because I tried to make more space in the hard disk. Netscape would show me the pages differently and it was set as the main browser (by the person who gave me this old old pc--->my bro).
- I didnt and still dont know how to set a browser as main ??? .
- I wouldnt know where to get other browsers ;D .
- I havent got the slightest idea about the faults of IE :-[
- Computers and Internet are a big mystery 8) .
So, I hope this was a lucid reply to the poll ;)
saxmachine
April 25th, 2004, 06:46 AM
Hi Magica
Using a second browser like Firefox is not very difficult at all. If you can use Internet Explorer (and you donot have to be an expert) you can use another browser like Mozilla Firefox. They are setup very similarly. As far as it being your main browser it will ask you if you want it to be as you are installing it, just say yes or no, depending on what you prefer. You can always change it later (In Firefox) by going to Tools> Options> click the general tab> choose set default browser. This will set Firefox to be your default browser if you chose no during setup (which is what i did). You can download Mozilla Firefox at http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ just click on download now (which is below the word Mozilla in upper left of page) choose save to desktop, and download it.
I would suggest looking around here a bit as you will find alot of info about computer and internet security. And don't be afraid to ask questions, that's what the forum is for. Good luck.
Riverwind
April 25th, 2004, 09:32 AM
{QUOTE-> I use IE. There was Netscape on this pc too but I uninstalled it among with other programms because I tried to make more space in the hard disk. Netscape would show me the pages differently and it was set as the main browser (by the person who gave me this old old pc--->my bro).
- I didnt and still dont know how to set a browser as main ??? .
- I wouldnt know where to get other browsers ;D .
- I havent got the slightest idea about the faults of IE :-[
- Computers and Internet are a big mystery 8) .
So, I hope this was a lucid reply to the poll ;) <-QUOTE}
Well Mozilla has improved a lot since the old Netscape days. Even Netscape 7.1 is full of crap compared to mozilla even though the latter is based on it.
Magica
April 25th, 2004, 12:59 PM
Thanks guys for the replies. I still havent understood though, what is wrong with IE and why one should not use it. I mean, I do believe you, I just would like to know why (in the simplest way possible). When I view the statistics of my website, 83% of the visitors use MSIE 6.0, that could be relative though (i might be the only one viewing my homepage ;D .
Thanks Saxman, I ve been having so many questions about so many computer things. I ve been reading here and there, not always understanding...
Riverwind, "full of crap" is a very vague term for my mind... If you could be more specific... ::) I dont like netscape , because I dont want to learn its html ;D tags! j/k Which brings about a new subject. Do all browsers recognize html tags in the same way, or all the tags at all? Oh no, when the questions start arising in my mind, they never stop..
greetings to everyone
ronny
April 25th, 2004, 01:23 PM
Because i am a bit lazy and no pcexpert ,i use IE6. :-[
But i have opera , mozilla1.6, avantbrowser and fastbrowser installed.You see i am learning how they work, so i ,can finally make my choice.
I have to say that when IE let me down (again), opera or the others DIDN't ;) . I also have the impression that IE is not the fastest!
Too bad that there are sites where you HAVE to use IE >:(
So i didn't vote yet.
Now i would like you all a question: What is the difference between Mozilla 1.6 and firefox0.8?
Thanks
10390bc
April 25th, 2004, 08:05 PM
Here are some good links to IE browser security
http://www.computercops.biz/postt7736.html
http://www.markusjansson.net/eienbid.html
http://www.staff.uiuc.edu/~ehowes/btw/ie/ie-opts.htm
These should help. But give yourself a few minutes to read them. Also look around here some as i know there are a few really good posts on the subject. Such as Blaze's newbie survival guide Http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=4146&highlight=newbie+survival+guide#goto_threadtools. Hope this helps. ;)
Riverwind
April 26th, 2004, 12:22 PM
{QUOTE-> Thanks guys for the replies. I still havent understood though, what is wrong with IE and why one should not use it. I mean, I do believe you, I just would like to know why (in the simplest way possible). When I view the statistics of my website, 83% of the visitors use MSIE 6.0, that could be relative though (i might be the only one viewing my homepage ;D .
<-QUOTE}
Well
1) 99.999% of spyware/adware is targetted at IE.
2) At any one time there are at least 2-3 known exploits with IE that can remotely execute any file simply by visiting the site.
{QUOTE->
Riverwind, "full of crap" is a very vague term for my mind... If you could be more specific... ::)
<-QUOTE}
Bundled with a lot of useless AOL crap for one.
{QUOTE->
I dont like netscape , because I dont want to learn its html ;D tags! j/k
<-QUOTE}
You must be kidding me. Are you a webmaster? For you to ask this question, I presume you only know basic html (no css, no dhtml etc), in such a case, you won't notice the difference.
{QUOTE->
Which brings about a new subject. Do all browsers recognize html tags in the same way, or all the tags at all? Oh no, when the questions start arising in my mind, they never stop..
<-QUOTE}
W3C dedicates the standards for html. Unfortunately, no browser, has full support for them (eg CSS2). Mozilla comes very close, so does OPera.
IE doesn't and is known to support many html tags that are unique only to itself. Because many beginner webmasters don't know better, they use MS products like say Frontpage which automatically add IE only html tags and methods which display very badly in other browsers for obvious reasons.
Also these same webmasters often don't do proper html, butr just use IE to view them to see if they are okay. Because such html is not well formed and standard, different browsers will display them differently (the standard only tells you how you should display html when they are properly done!)
Magica
April 26th, 2004, 12:58 PM
Firstly, thanks to 10390bc. I ll go through the links you provided.
Then, thanks to Riverwind. I am sorry if you thought I am an expert or something. I just admire computers and try to approach them in a gentle way so that I might be able to understand them one day. I guess the "big computer secrets" will remain a mystery for humble pc users like myself. :)
Azn_Tweaker
June 26th, 2004, 09:30 AM
Hi.
i got Mircosoft Internet Explorer :)
808chick
June 27th, 2004, 10:25 PM
I have both Opera & Mozilla, but I like Opera better. I like the fact that when I'm browsing multiple web pages, it's not all hiding beneath one another. It's all there at the top, with its own tab. (Oh yeah, & I have the dreaded IE6 also. I think only my mom & bro uses it. The downfall of a family computer!! :P.)
LuthorCorp
June 27th, 2004, 10:53 PM
At Luthor corp we use both Mozilla (Firefox) and Opera browsers. But the latter is preferred.
lynchknot
June 27th, 2004, 11:42 PM
True, not polished but raw - a build your own custom browser - have it your way.
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/8674/cf2.png
LCDeviant - http://server6.uploadit.org/files/lynchknot-horse.jpg
Spy Killer
August 27th, 2004, 12:01 PM
Hi everyone,
I like Firefox browser. FF dose not load activex contoller like Explorer has spyware and ad-aware on the computer. Ever since I downlod and install Firefox I had no spyware or ad-aware on my computer.
Firefox is the best browser becuse Exlporer has $ecurity hole$ thank$ Bill Gate$
nadirah
August 27th, 2004, 09:45 PM
My main browser is firefox. I use IE for windows update only.
Honyak
August 28th, 2004, 12:34 AM
I have firefox installed but mainly use Mozilla suite because I like the security of the master password for use in remembered site username and passwords.
IMHO you cannot go wrong by using either.
Tassie_Devils
August 28th, 2004, 07:39 AM
Guess!!! 8)
TAS
Justhelping
August 28th, 2004, 08:49 AM
{QUOTE-> I have firefox installed but mainly use Mozilla suite because I like the security of the master password for use in remembered site username and passwords.
IMHO you cannot go wrong by using either. <-QUOTE}
??Firefox has a mater password too.
Cyber Surfer
August 28th, 2004, 01:59 PM
I use Avant and Firefox.
mercurie
August 28th, 2004, 11:21 PM
I had to vote Internet Explorer, only because I use it the most and it's always in my face on my machine. The most handy. But guess what I am using at this very moment.....NETSCAPE 7.2 LOL....LOL :D
Shae
August 29th, 2004, 03:15 AM
Okay guys, I know you think I'm nuts for using IE, but that's okay. ;D I mainly use the MSN browser since that's my ISP, I know it's Microsoft too, but hey, at least it's not AOL.. :P (No offense to AOL users intended.) Besides, it's nice to have a place to put your Favorites list that you can access from Control Panel or My Computer. (Handy if ya making a personal website and want to put some of your fave. sites on it without having to get them from your account with your ISP.) Just MHO. :)
Justhelping
August 29th, 2004, 09:14 AM
{QUOTE-> I had to vote Internet Explorer, only because I use it the most and it's always in my face on my machine. The most handy. But guess what I am using at this very moment.....NETSCAPE 7.2 LOL....LOL :D <-QUOTE}
That is equalavant to Mozilla 1.7 I think
slammer_JvA
August 30th, 2004, 02:58 AM
{QUOTE-> My main browser is firefox. I use IE for windows update only. <-QUOTE}
Second that.
Wanna read some reasons why (http://browsehappy.com/why/)?
Have a look for yourself overhere (http://browsehappy.com/why/), make your own pick and browse happy! (http://browsehappy.com/why/)
:)
regards,
slammer
Acadia
August 30th, 2004, 08:49 AM
Internet Explorer because, despite what everyone says, it is still the fastest browser. I will not argue the security factor, that would be no contest. I guess I just like to live life in the fast lane. I just got done testing and retesting for at least a week, IE against Firefox, Mozilla, and Opera for downloading web pages; IE is still the fastest, no contest. Those other browsers may be faster at other things (I don't know what) but not at normal, everyday surfing, just make sure when using IE that you change all those unsafe defaults in the options, etc.
Acadia
iceni60
August 30th, 2004, 08:58 AM
firefox. after coming here, it did change for a bit to ie, that was so i could see the activex but ive got over that now. i have OB1 too, for security and speed :D
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