PCSL Total Protection Testing Report (2008 NO.12)

[yanzilme]

more information see PCSL official website
http://www.pcsecuritylabs.net/news.php?readmore=15

[Fuzzfas]

Happy to be a Twistee! :argh: :thumb:

FDD works! Penalised by too many FP, as usual...

[progress]

Gratulations 2 Panda, I am surprised ;)

[clocks]

-{ Quote: "Happy to be a Twistee! :argh: :thumb:

FDD works! Penalised by too many FP, as usual..." }-

41 FPs! Yikes.....

BTW - that's an odd selection of software they choose.

[Fuzzfas]

-{ Quote: "41 FPs! Yikes.....

BTW - that's an odd selection of software they choose." }-

FPs are a known issue with Twister, you learn to live with it. Besides, it keeps you alert. ;D

Where i say yikes is in paying a "yearly fee" in order to catch 0,1-0,9% more than Twister.

I think i will stay with my FPs... and the lifetime license. ;D

[gery]

Trend Micro sucks . What a shame

[bellgamin]

I cannot see the right part of the chart. It's blocked by that "shoutbox" nonsense. IMO it's a JUNK site as long as they have that sort of crapola.:thumbd:

[Fuzzfas]

-{ Quote: "I cannot see the right part of the chart. It's blocked by that "shoutbox" nonsense. IMO it's a JUNK site as long as they have that sort of crapola.:thumbd:" }-

You mean you can't see the "Rate" column next to the "Total" column? I can see them... Anyway, i 've put a screenshot in Twister's topic too.

[pcslinfo]

-{ Quote: "I cannot see the right part of the chart. It's blocked by that "shoutbox" nonsense. IMO it's a JUNK site as long as they have that sort of crapola.:thumbd:" }-
Sorry for my website on giving the problem of viewing. you are not using widescreen monitor, right?
I will redesign a website and it will be normally displayed on any kind of monitor. As we have pdf report for you to download , it contains more detailed information and once again, sorry for the problem:-[

http://www.pcsecuritylabs.net//document/PCSL%20Total%20Protection%20Testing%20Report%202008%20NO.12.zip

[bellgamin]

-{ Quote: "Sorry for my website on giving the problem of viewing. you are not using widescreen monitor, right?" }-My monitor is 22" widescreen ViewSonic VX2235wm LCD.

I appreciate your fast response. I hope you can get your website to work right. In the meantime I have registered with your site & downloaded your 2 latest reports.

[Einsturzende]

I would really like to see that 0.15% of undetected malware (by KIS), tested on execution against KIS 2009 (build 506) in advanced mode...
BTW. it would be not real problem to test on execution all undetected malware against all vendors suites/internet securities to see real and objective results...
Until that this is yet another test among many others ....

[pcslinfo]

-{ Quote: "My monitor is 22" widescreen ViewSonic VX2235wm LCD.

I appreciate your fast response. I hope you can get your website to work right. In the meantime I have registered with your site & downloaded your 2 latest reports." }-
When I get time, I will redesign it ASAP;D

[clocks]

-{ Quote: "When I get time, I will redesign it ASAP;D" }-

You have tested a lot of the Chinese vendors. Why not Rising? thanks!

[pcslinfo]

-{ Quote: "You have tested a lot of the Chinese vendors. Why not Rising? thanks!" }-

We need to get authorization:)

[Coolio10]

-{ Quote: "My monitor is 22" widescreen ViewSonic VX2235wm LCD.

I appreciate your fast response. I hope you can get your website to work right. In the meantime I have registered with your site & downloaded your 2 latest reports." }-
Same monitor and i have no problem.

[Einsturzende]

It is resolution problem, not monitor problem...

[firzen771]

my reso is 1680x1050 and im not getting that problem.

[bellgamin]

@Einsturzend- Thanks. You are correct! If I go to a higher resolution, I can see all of PCSL's display. However, that resolution makes the text on all my apps too small for these tired old eyes. So I will stay as before. The lower resolution has never before caused this problem -- PCSL's site is the only one I cannot fully view -- so I'll just have to hope that PCSL fixes their website to accomodate folks on lower res because of poor eyesight.

[JRViejo]

-{ Quote: "However, that resolution makes the text on all my apps too small for these tired old eyes." }-
bellgamin, just what the doctor ordered, Virtual Magnifying Glass (http://magnifier.sourceforge.net). I use it all the time.

Edit: There's a Portable Version (http://portableapps.com/apps/accessibility/virtual_magnifying_glass_portable) as well.

[bellgamin]

-{ Quote: "...Virtual Magnifying Glass. I use it all the time." }-Thanks! I shall give it a try.

[icr]

How come no Norton???

[pcslinfo]

-{ Quote: "How come no Norton???" }-
We invite the AV vendor to join our testing platform and while we get the authorization, we add new vendors to our testing platform:)

[Sputnik]

@pcslinfo
Thanks for your effort. One question, why is TrendMicro 16.1 used instead of 17.0?

[Arup]

Before the usual detractors ( you know who you are ) get in, Avira seems to have aced this one as well, I guess their usual line would be, tests don't matter, they are all flawed. Anyways nice to see Avira being its consistent best as usual.

[pcslinfo]

-{ Quote: "@pcslinfo
Thanks for your effort. One question, why is TrendMicro 16.1 used instead of 17.0?" }-
Trend Micro IS2009 simplified chinese edition is not finally been released yet, but next month's testing, you will see the new edition of Trend Micro:)

[Sputnik]

@pcslinfo
You're right, the localized versions were planned for Q1 2009. In our labs we see lots of generic detections from TrendMicro's 8.9 engine on 0-day malware.

[pcslinfo]

-{ Quote: "@pcslinfo
You're right, the localized versions were planned for Q1 2009. In our labs we see lots of generic detections from TrendMicro's 8.9 engine on 0-day malware." }-

yep:)

BTW, thank you for your consideration!

[Sputnik]

@pcslinfo
No problem ;)
Anyway do you have access to TrendMicro's x.xxx.90 signatures (Beta)?

[pcslinfo]

-{ Quote: "@pcslinfo
No problem ;)
Anyway do you have access to TrendMicro's x.xxx.90 signatures (Beta)?" }-

I will try to ask somebody in TM tomorrow and get back to you later;)

[bellgamin]

@pcslinfo- Your site works just fine now. Fuzzfas taught me how to go to a higher resolution and still maintain a highly readable font.

Shazam! :thumb:

[trjam]

-{ Quote: "Before the usual detractors ( you know who you are ) get in, Avira seems to have aced this one as well, I guess their usual line would be, tests don't matter, they are all flawed. Anyways nice to see Avira being its consistent best as usual." }-
Got the word.:thumb:

[Kees1958]

-{ Quote: "My monitor is 22" widescreen ViewSonic VX2235wm LCD.
" }-

Dear Bellgamin,

You are nearly as old as Mozes, so the fact that your monitor is 22 inches wide does not mean anything with the font size and zoom factor you could be using at your age.

On the other had your sharp observations problably go hand in hand with sharp eye sight.

Cheers Kees

[pcslinfo]

-{ Quote: "@pcslinfo
No problem ;)
Anyway do you have access to TrendMicro's x.xxx.90 signatures (Beta)?" }-
They said it is an internal pattern and only used in internal labs;D

[progress]

-{ Quote: "Trend Micro sucks . What a shame" }-

Now you know why they don't take part in av-comparatives or vb100 :ouch:

[GES/POR]

-{ Quote: "Now you know why they don't take part in av-comparatives or vb100 :ouch:" }-

System performence wise yes - Trend's a sucker, realworld malware detectionwise Trend's a whole lot better then for instance with AVG

[Sputnik]

-{ Quote: "They said it is an internal pattern and only used in internal labs;D" }-
Yes I know, however some external labs use them too :)

-{ Quote: "System performence wise yes - Trend's a sucker, realworld malware detectionwise Trend's a whole lot better then for instance with AVG" }-
Performance wise they're improving. Their detection is good, we trend to see a lot of generic detections of 0-day malware by TrendMico while others ain't flagging it (yet).

[pcslinfo]

-{ Quote: "Yes I know, however some external labs use them too :）" }-

yep:)
Are you interested in their 90 pattern?

[cruelsister]

What sort of trash test is this??? Under Materials and Methods they list 2057 malicious samples. Of what? Anything from the last 5 years?

A couple of months ago this board tore apart and independent test from somewhere or other that used a whole lot more samples than this and at least gave a breakdown of what was used. Why are you guys letting this one slide?

[pcslinfo]

-{ Quote: "What sort of trash test is this??? Under Materials and Methods they list 2057 malicious samples. Of what? Anything from the last 5 years?

A couple of months ago this board tore apart and independent test from somewhere or other that used a whole lot more samples than this and at least gave a breakdown of what was used. Why are you guys letting this one slide?" }-

First, please do read our testing report, the 2057 samples are the prevalent samples collected in 2008 October.

And please do not jump to conclusions while you are not familiar with the truth:)

I will be here if you have anything willing to know from us.;D

[Sputnik]

-{ Quote: "yep:)
Are you interested in their 90 pattern?" }-
Actually we run the 90 pattern in our labs and I was wondering if you did too :)

[pcslinfo]

-{ Quote: "Actually we run the 90 pattern in our labs and I was wondering if you did too :)" }-

how about the 90 pattern?

[andyman35]

-{ Quote: "Before the usual detractors ( you know who you are ) get in, Avira seems to have aced this one as well, I guess their usual line would be, tests don't matter, they are all flawed. Anyways nice to see Avira being its consistent best as usual." }-

No matter which test you look at Avira always appears at the top end,either they're the luckiest vendor of all time or,it really is simply awesome.;)

[Macstorm]

-{ Quote: "No matter which test you look at Avira always appears at the top end,either they're the luckiest vendor of all time or,it really is simply awesome.;)" }-
I'd say the latter 8)

[Arup]

Its consistency and thats where they excel, they work hard and listen to feedback. They are not always going to be on top but even then, its their overall record that will always stand.

[pcslinfo]

-{ Quote: "Its consistency and thats where they excel, they work hard and listen to feedback. They are not always going to be on top but even then, its their overall record that will always stand." }-

Thank you:)
And I will try my best to optimize our testing system and make our result more reasonable and better!
Have a nice day!

Regards
Jeffrey

[steve1955]

-{ Quote: "What sort of trash test is this??? Under Materials and Methods they list 2057 malicious samples. Of what? Anything from the last 5 years?

A couple of months ago this board tore apart and independent test from somewhere or other that used a whole lot more samples than this and at least gave a breakdown of what was used. Why are you guys letting this one slide?" }-
why did they attack it,did nod do badly:-therefore a flawed test??