Opera 10 alpha

[rdsu]

Hi,

The next version of Opera is ready for tests... :D :thumb:

-{ Quote: "It seems like yesterday we released Opera 9.6 and now you can all get your hands on Opera 10.0. Rather than ramble on, here's a quick list of what's new:


Presto 2.2 Engine
Performance boost
100/100 and pixel-perfect on the Acid3 test
Auto-update
Inline spelling checker
Opera Mail improvements, including rich text composition and delete after X days
Widget Improvements on Linux


Can't wait to get your hands on Opera 10.0 Alpha 1, then get it now!" }-
Check here:
- http://www.opera.com/browser/next/
- http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2008/12/03/peregrine-takes-flight-opera-10-0-alpha-is-here

[Arup]

Runs beautifully and with HTML mail as well. Its quite quick on Javascript sites. Also has inline spell checker.

[rdsu]

And this alpha stage is just to show the new engine... :D

Wonderful!!! ;D

[GES/POR]

Installer size: 6.33 MB
Installer downloadtime: 3 seconds

:o

[rolarocka]

Dont forget to turn on "Redraw Instantly" in the options ;D

[rpsgc]

-{ Quote: "Auto-update
Inline spelling checker" }-

ABOUT F*ING TIME!


Everything else is a bonus ;D

[Kerodo]

Html email is appealing to me for Linux, I hate TBird and all the usual Linux email clients....

[rdsu]

This version, until now, is working fine in WinXP and sidux... :thumb:

[Kerodo]

What happened to the Kestrel engine? I thought that was pretty fast....

[Arup]

-{ Quote: "What happened to the Kestrel engine? I thought that was pretty fast...." }-


Kestrel used Presto 2.1, this one uses improved 2.2

[Huupi]

Its really rendering fast !! WOW ;D

Not really rendering but exploding so they have done something about the engine.

[desinet1]

I sometimes like Opera more than Firefox, because of its low resource hogging.
Waiting for it.

[Kerodo]

-{ Quote: "Kestrel used Presto 2.1, this one uses improved 2.2" }-
Ok, thanks for the explanation Arup....

[Arup]

Anyone tried out HTML mail with Opera 10?

[ambient_88]

Some websites do not render at all (ie. Yahoo!). I had to change the User Agent ID to get around this problem. All in all, it's pretty darn good for an alpha. I didn't test it extensively, but most of the websites I visit loaded really fast.

Kudos to the Opera team!

[H47]

I just started using this. It is a whole lot faster than Firefox.

[Chubb]

Is the generic UI the same as 9.X? Thanks...

[rdsu]

-{ Quote: "Is the generic UI the same as 9.X? Thanks..." }-
Until now yes...

I don't know if there will be a change...

[TerryWood]

Hi

This new alpha is an improvement. But there are far too many sites that load slowly. Not as good as Firefox 3.04, and definitely behind Google Chrome and SR Iron.

I just get the impression Opera is falling behind a little?

Terry

[Coolio10]

-{ Quote: "Hi

This new alpha is an improvement. But there are far too many sites that load slowly. Not as good as Firefox 3.04, and definitely behind Google Chrome and SR Iron.

I just get the impression Opera is falling behind a little?

Terry" }-
Not realy, way ahead in features, security, and speed. The alpha just needs a bit of tweaking.

[Kerodo]

Possibly of interest also:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2336268,00.asp

[TerryWood]

Hi

I rely less on these "tests" than on my own judgement, and af course a stopwatch using real sites.

Opera 10 as did 9 struggles on Banking sites (UK) whereas Firefox 3.04 does not.

I am not a Firefox fan, I find it cumbersome, but Firefox with all the addons is a great choice. Possibly Google Chrome when its developed if it does not lose speed with development.

Opera developed widgets, god knows why, the biggest non event since Christendom. Yet Opera has what I want (a combined browser/mail client), but the developers are introspective, stupid even, and have undoubtedly lost ground to the likes of Google and others

Terry

[Kerodo]

Opera is fast, and pretty nice overall, yet I don't like it much or use it. Chrome has the same speed for me. Firefox has more extension type features. I enjoy checking out Opera with it's new engines and so on, yet I always return to other browsers for daily use. Judging by it's market share, so do most other people... Not bashing it, just stating my own feelings on it. And yes, it has too many excess "features" that I don't want, use or need.

[ambient_88]

-{ Quote: "And yes, it has too many excess "features" that I don't want, use or need." }-
I wish they would make it more modular so that we can select only the features we want. I understand that, despite the extra features, Opera is still fast and stable.

[Kerodo]

-{ Quote: "I wish they would make it more modular so that we can select only the features we want. I understand that, despite the extra features, Opera is still fast and stable." }-
Yes, that's the amazing part, even with all the "extras", it has remained light, quick and anything but bloated in the usual sense. It's a good program, just not my cup of tea...

[Arup]

It is modular, you can setup shortcuts to Opera to start without mail and other services. If you don't enable mail, newsreader, RSS, Opera starts without those and just has the HTML engine.

[Arup]

-{ Quote: "Hi

This new alpha is an improvement. But there are far too many sites that load slowly. Not as good as Firefox 3.04, and definitely behind Google Chrome and SR Iron.

I just get the impression Opera is falling behind a little?

Terry" }-
Its exactly the opposite, only certain Javascript sites open a bit faster in Chrome, in overall speed Opera has it beat and FF can't come close to either Chrome or Opera.

[ambient_88]

-{ Quote: "It is modular, you can setup shortcuts to Opera to start without mail and other services. If you don't enable mail, newsreader, RSS, Opera starts without those and just has the HTML engine." }-
It's not completely modular since you can not select just the features you want to be installed.

[Arup]

Nope and most Opera users wouldn't want it that way, for myself and countless users, one app does it all, handles mail, news and RSS and even occasional torrents, no need for separate backups, updates etc. Opera with all this uses less resources than others. Also the interface makes sure that all stay out of your way unless its needed so its a non issue there as well.

[ambient_88]

-{ Quote: "Nope and most Opera users wouldn't want it that way, for myself and countless users, one app does it all, handles mail, news and RSS and even occasional torrents, no need for separate backups, updates etc. Opera with all this uses less resources than others. Also the interface makes sure that all stay out of your way unless its needed so its a non issue there as well." }-
You've got some good points there. However, I don't believe it will hurt Opera to allow a user to select just the features he or she wants to install.

[lodore]

I like opera like it is but it wouldnt hurt to have a more custom installation.
atm i dont use opera mail so being able to uninstall it would be useful. As long I can add and remove stuff one its installed.

[Arkham]

I've been using opera for more than 6 years now, and I can't do without it. The 9.6x releases however seem to be really buggy. For no reason, some webpages stop working on it, and the browser completely freezes...requiring that it be killed from the task manager. Happens both in Vista as well as XP.:(

I hope v.10 fixes these problems.

As for opera mail, I never really liked it. I too will be happy if there is an option to completely remove it during installation.

[rpsgc]

-{ Quote: "and the browser completely freezes...requiring that it be killed from the task manager. Happens both in Vista as well as XP.:(" }-

And here I thought I was alone... Mine also freezes for a few seconds with some flash content and it CRASHES a lot. Especially with a few websites (never understood why).

[lodore]

9.62 is completely horrible.

i have used opera since 9.25 and the versions before 9.6 worked well.
hoping 10 will be a great release.

[ambient_88]

-{ Quote: "And here I thought I was alone... Mine also freezes for a few seconds with some flash content and it CRASHES a lot. Especially with a few websites (never understood why)." }-
It happened to me also, especially with YouTube. I've never experienced crashes on other websites that utilize Flash, so I can't comment about that. Nevertheless, there seems to be a problem with Opera and Adobe Flash. I don't know what it is, however.

[rpsgc]

-{ Quote: "It happened to me also, especially with YouTube. I've never experienced crashes on other websites that utilize Flash, so I can't comment about that. Nevertheless, there seems to be a problem with Opera and Adobe Flash. I don't know what it is, however." }-

Oh, it doesn't crash because of flash. Flash just freezes Opera. It just seemed to crash at random but when I noticed that if I restored the session it would crash again, I assumed it had to do with some website. Never bothered to find out which one though.

[lodore]

Ok i want everyone to try this.
go to the nokia website with opera 9.62 click on find products.
there is a drop down menu which reads phone model number.
try to select a product from that menu. if i do that here that tab just freezes if i click on the cross button for that tab opera will act strangely and i will have to end opera in task manager.

anyone using opera 10 please try the same.

[TerryWood]

Hi

If Opera was as good as is claimed a lot more people would use it.

Firefox & Thunderbird got to where they are, not because they are brilliant, but because they offered a broad cross section of what users needed.

The developers of Firefox, did what Opera did not do made it easy to use and add to it. I prefer Opera because I like the integrated browser/mail client. But as I said in previous posts, too many sites are slow, and, in general, is not a speed merchant, good but nowhere near the best.

Opera widgets are a joke, for main stream security you accept, or not, what the developers offer. With Firefox the extensions (addons) are wonderful and are really functional. Not games like Opera. It is clear with Opera you can have what the developers want you to have, but thats it. That is why Opera is losing ground. When Chrome gets cracking it will be a challenge to all browsers.

Opera will never be main stream with the current developers mindset. Oh it could be so different.

Finally, for those who kid themselves and others it is the fastest, just use a stopwatch from clicking on a link to final steady state for a web page compared to other browsers. Forget the hype just look at the facts.

Terry

[rpsgc]

Funny how you managed to put "Opera" and "hyped" in the same sentence. Then go ahead and say Firefox is superior ::)

[rdsu]

-{ Quote: "Ok i want everyone to try this.
go to the nokia website with opera 9.62 click on find products.
there is a drop down menu which reads phone model number.
try to select a product from that menu. if i do that here that tab just freezes if i click on the cross button for that tab opera will act strangely and i will have to end opera in task manager.

anyone using opera 10 please try the same." }-
Worked fine here, in www.nokia.pt

[Arup]

-{ Quote: "Hi

If Opera was as good as is claimed a lot more people would use it.

Firefox & Thunderbird got to where they are, not because they are brilliant, but because they offered a broad cross section of what users needed.

The developers of Firefox, did what Opera did not do made it easy to use and add to it. I prefer Opera because I like the integrated browser/mail client. But as I said in previous posts, too many sites are slow, and, in general, is not a speed merchant, good but nowhere near the best.

Opera widgets are a joke, for main stream security you accept, or not, what the developers offer. With Firefox the extensions (addons) are wonderful and are really functional. Not games like Opera. It is clear with Opera you can have what the developers want you to have, but thats it. That is why Opera is losing ground. When Chrome gets cracking it will be a challenge to all browsers.

Opera will never be main stream with the current developers mindset. Oh it could be so different.

Finally, for those who kid themselves and others it is the fastest, just use a stopwatch from clicking on a link to final steady state for a web page compared to other browsers. Forget the hype just look at the facts.

Terry" }-

The only reason Bloatfox is here today is due to MS's apathetic attitude to its own browser. Usually those who got infected via IE exploits got sucked in by the FF hype on security and followed the wave like sheep. Funny how an amateurish horribly written piece of code with memory leaks could manage to convince others that its better than IE. Not only that its bloated to start with, slow to load and since it doesn't work out of the box, one has to add the dreaded extensions to make it slower. Of course, extensions have the potential to make it less secure, the Greasemonkey script showed exactly that in the past. As for security over MS, thats another hype, as per Secunia, the only browser that consistently manages to stay clean is Opera, no other and FF gets plenty of holes which they patch eventually and so does MS, so whats the difference except falling for a poorly written piece of code.

Opera has always been the champion of resources and today, its a suite which has the least resource consumption and please remember, its a SUITE not a standalone browser. It loads fast, runs fast and best of all, its the securest as per final word. Even now with a slow machine, one can run Opera with ease, try that with Bloatfox. Also Bloatfox would never come close to the feature, interface or the overall style of Opera, they actually copied most of the Opera stuff, difference being Opera doesn't need questionable extensions to run the browser, it just runs out of the box, plain and simple. As for Widgets being s joke, well the same can be said about FF extensions, except Widget is an optional add on in case of Opera not a necessity which is not the case with FF, no extensions and FF is a crippled browser.

Don't need to take a stopwatch, by the time Bloatfox loads, I am already in process of opening a page in Opera, no contest there.

[Arup]

-{ Quote: "Ok i want everyone to try this.
go to the nokia website with opera 9.62 click on find products.
there is a drop down menu which reads phone model number.
try to select a product from that menu. if i do that here that tab just freezes if i click on the cross button for that tab opera will act strangely and i will have to end opera in task manager.

anyone using opera 10 please try the same." }-


From the Asia-Pacific site I selected Products and then selected N97, it worked fine here.

[ambient_88]

-{ Quote: "The only reason Bloatfox is here today is due to MS's apathetic attitude to its own browser. Usually those who got infected via IE exploits got sucked in by the FF hype on security and followed the wave like sheep. Funny how an amateurish horribly written piece of code with memory leaks could manage to convince others that its better than IE. Not only that its bloated to start with, slow to load and since it doesn't work out of the box, one has to add the dreaded extensions to make it slower. Of course, extensions have the potential to make it less secure, the Greasemonkey script showed exactly that in the past. As for security over MS, thats another hype, as per Secunia, the only browser that consistently manages to stay clean is Opera, no other and FF gets plenty of holes which they patch eventually and so does MS, so whats the difference except falling for a poorly written piece of code.

Opera has always been the champion of resources and today, its a suite which has the least resource consumption and please remember, its a SUITE not a standalone browser. It loads fast, runs fast and best of all, its the securest as per final word. Even now with a slow machine, one can run Opera with ease, try that with Bloatfox. Also Bloatfox would never come close to the feature, interface or the overall style of Opera, they actually copied most of the Opera stuff, difference being Opera doesn't need questionable extensions to run the browser, it just runs out of the box, plain and simple. As for Widgets being s joke, well the same can be said about FF extensions, except Widget is an optional add on in case of Opera not a necessity which is not the case with FF, no extensions and FF is a crippled browser.

Don't need to take a stopwatch, by the time Bloatfox loads, I am already in process of opening a page in Opera, no contest there." }-
Some of your points are good, however, I disagree with some of it. While Firefox is not the fastest when it comes to startup, I find that the performance when browsing is just as good Opera's. Also, extensions are not needed for Firefox--I have used it before without using any extensions whatsoever. And it certainly does work out of the box. I don't know why you said it doesn't run out of the box.

As far as security is concerned, every software will have a vulnerability at some point. Now, Firefox is no different but they've been prompt in solving them. That is what really matters the most. Also, how is Firefox a poorly written piece of code? Have you actually looked at the source code? If you can justify your statement based on actual facts, you'll sound more convincing.

For the record, I do not favor one over the other. I use both interchangeably, so I am definitely not attached to either browser.

[Arup]

To get Opera's functionality, FF needs extensions, otherwise you get a very start browser just for basic surfing.

The number of memory issues FF has had in the past and present along with slow load times as well as slow downs, yes, as a programmer to me thats classic signs of poor coding, plain and simple. FF doesn't come close to Opera's speed, as I said, by the time FF loads, I have already typed in the URL in Opera and the page is loaded at about 50%. If IE wouldn't have goofed up, there would be no FF. Opera existed before FF but the fact its from Europe and practically unknown in US didn't help in its popularity ratings. Those who heard about it and tried it, most of them kept it and are using it till today.

[Arkham]

-{ Quote: "Ok i want everyone to try this.
go to the nokia website with opera 9.62 click on find products.
there is a drop down menu which reads phone model number.
try to select a product from that menu. if i do that here that tab just freezes if i click on the cross button for that tab opera will act strangely and i will have to end opera in task manager.

anyone using opera 10 please try the same." }-

I tried the nokiausa site Doesn't work for me.
9.62 froze, and had to be shut down and restarted.:(
This is on XP Pro Sp3.

[Arkham]

I far prefer Opera over FF. I've tried FF, and I never did like the interface or the sluggishness. Opera is much more streamlined, uses fewer resources, and is more responsive as far as I am concerned. I don't even keep a copy of FF installed on my systems anymore.

-{ Quote: "And here I thought I was alone... Mine also freezes for a few seconds with some flash content and it CRASHES a lot. Especially with a few websites (never understood why)." }-

Not only you and me...happens on many systems. Frequently occurs on my sister's laptop too, and these crashes are quite random- you don't necessarily need to have flash on the site. Happens with both Vista Sp1 as well as XP Pro Sp3. I indoctrinated her into using Opera for the last 3 years ;D ...I hope these crashes don't make her switch back to IE.:P

[Pedro]

-{ Quote: "To get Opera's functionality, FF needs extensions, otherwise you get a very start browser just for basic surfing.

The number of memory issues FF has had in the past and present along with slow load times as well as slow downs, yes, as a programmer to me thats classic signs of poor coding, plain and simple. FF doesn't come close to Opera's speed, as I said, by the time FF loads, I have already typed in the URL in Opera and the page is loaded at about 50%. If IE wouldn't have goofed up, there would be no FF. Opera existed before FF but the fact its from Europe and practically unknown in US didn't help in its popularity ratings. Those who heard about it and tried it, most of them kept it and are using it till today." }-
Opera and Firefox are both good, i really don't understand why the hate Arup. :-\

I used to prefer Opera, now it's Firefox. For the same reasons you seem to hate it. It's a plain browser by default, and i do with it what i want. To search the web, it's THE tool to have for me, nothing else equals it. Yes with addons, so what. It ends up much more productive and tailored for your needs.

It's faster on my machine than Opera, no contest - version 3, ff2 was actually getting sluggish. Having said that, i don't feel the need to "trash" Opera. Opera is really good, great built in features, back button works in half a second, i can talk to it, etc etc. I just don't use it at the end of the day...

Comparing any of them to IE is ridiculous..

[rdsu]

New alpha release - Opera 10 alpha Build 1219 - The Christmas Edition (http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2008/12/19/the-christmas-edition)

Changelog

Several backend improvements to autoupdate
Made content filter rules with a whitespace at the end work
All languages are now included but not all are completed. Please do not file bugs on English text in the UI when using another language for your interface.
Made spellchecking work on contenteditable elements
Switching between html and plain text mail composition works better now
Added option to doubleclick a tab to close it opera:config#UserPrefs|DoubleclicktoCloseTab
Fixed crash when undeleting and running a widget
Improved stability in the search engine which indexes webpages and mail
Plus tons of behind the scenes changes, the low level changelog is more than 1000 lines.
Mac: Fixed startup crash on Mac OS X 10.3/Panther
Mac: Fixed the mail/chat counter background
Mac: Fixed low framerate on fullscreen YouTube videos

[GES/POR]

whats the difference between windows and windows classic?

Also does the alpha nomather wich build work without problems with windows live mail?

[rdsu]

-{ Quote: "whats the difference between windows and windows classic?
" }-
I think Classic is more for Windows 95, 98 or NT 4.0.

[dw426]

-{ Quote: "Opera and Firefox are both good, i really don't understand why the hate Arup. :-\

I used to prefer Opera, now it's Firefox. For the same reasons you seem to hate it. It's a plain browser by default, and i do with it what i want. To search the web, it's THE tool to have for me, nothing else equals it. Yes with addons, so what. It ends up much more productive and tailored for your needs.

It's faster on my machine than Opera, no contest - version 3, ff2 was actually getting sluggish. Having said that, i don't feel the need to "trash" Opera. Opera is really good, great built in features, back button works in half a second, i can talk to it, etc etc. I just don't use it at the end of the day...

Comparing any of them to IE is ridiculous.." }-

I agree that trashing either browser (though I'm about to make an exception in a second) goes nowhere. They are both great, HOWEVER, Firefox has always had memory issues and the ever-present "hang" (having to Ctr-Alt-Del to get it to completely shut down). Now , to my exception I mentioned....FF2 made me go back to IE, and not because of incompatible websites. It was probably the worst browser I have ever used. It was slow, there was more hanging going on than in an Old West town, and the memory leakage made me feel like trying to find the hole and sticking duct tape over it.

[Pedro]

In an Opera thread, i have to ask, why didn't you use Opera if Firefox was unusable?

[dw426]

-{ Quote: "In an Opera thread, i have to ask, why didn't you use Opera if Firefox was unusable?" }-

Great question, and the answer is that, at least on my particular system, the Opera versions at that time also caused me problems. However, the situation has changed more as the releases have come out and I have less issues. Once 10 comes out of Alpha, I'll be giving it a run.

[Pedro]

Me too, but while i'm waiting i have 9 installed :P
I usually have both installed. Really good when "troubleshooting" some website.

If Firefox didn't exist, Opera would be my main browser no doubt. In it's default installation, it's an eye opener coming from IE, you just have to take a look at their website for the feature tour and try it :)

[dw426]

-{ Quote: "Me too, but while i'm waiting i have 9 installed :P
I usually have both installed. Really good when "troubleshooting" some website.

If Firefox didn't exist, Opera would be my main browser no doubt. In it's default installation, it's an eye opener coming from IE, you just have to take a look at their website for the feature tour and try it :)" }-

I swear that if it had a REAL alternative to NoScript and AdBlockPlus, Opera would have an extremely good chance of replacing Firefox on my system. Those two extensions are just too invaluable and work too well to give up.

[Pedro]

A bit the same for me regarding ns and others, but for my usage of Adblock, Opera is probably better. If you subscribe to a list, i believe you can use that list in Opera as well. I don't use any though, it's mostly for but ugly websites and flashy/damn irritating ads. If the ads don't bother me, i don't bother them.

[yeow]

Tried 10 alpha (and x'mas) for some days and liked it, even felt lighter than 9.6 if that's possible.

Got a stupid question. If it scores 100/100 on acid3 test, what does it actually imply? Specifically, if say a website "doesn't work" with opera 10a, does that imply it's the website's coding at fault?

[dw426]

-{ Quote: "Tried 10 alpha (and x'mas) for some days and liked it, even felt lighter than 9.6 if that's possible.

Got a stupid question. If it scores 100/100 on acid3 test, what does it actually imply? Specifically, if say a website "doesn't work" with opera 10a, does that imply it's the website's coding at fault?" }-

The acid test is just a test to see how well a browser handles web standards such as Javascript. If it scores 100, it means that the browser handles these standards "perfectly". As far as a website not working, it could be the browser or the website causing the problem, and, it could be both. Sadly there are still web coders out there that specifically target the IE audience.

[yeow]

Thanks dw426,

I did some quick scans at secunia online inspector. With 10 alpha & xmas ed, scans could complete but no results were shown. OK with 9.6.

So I was wondering if it was website coding, jre plugin or 10 fault... and also wondered what 100/100 actually meant.

[philby]

Anyone else seeing this problem at the top of www.reuters.co.uk?

I don't get the problem on www.reuters.com

Using default settings and the right flash version.

Not the end of the world, but just interested...

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=205094&stc=1&d=1230421902

philby

[rdsu]

-{ Quote: "Anyone else seeing this problem at the top of www.reuters.co.uk?

I don't get the problem on www.reuters.com

Using default settings and the right flash version.

Not the end of the world, but just interested...

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=205094&stc=1&d=1230421902

philby" }-
Same here...

[philby]

Thanks for that - I reported the page error.

Just wanted to check it wasn't something I'd done.

Wish I knew why it's happening...

philby

[Arup]

Considering the speed at which Opera team patches up security holes, I would feel way more comfortable using it for online banking and transaction than any other browsers out there.

[rpsgc]

I have a problem. I'm using Vista x64 SP1 and whenever my computer goes to sleep and it wakes up, Opera just doesn't respond. I open Opera, but it does nothing, I try to open a website but it just won't load. I can't close tabs also but Windows doesn't say it's not responding, it just won't do anything, like it doesn't wake up. I have to close Opera and open it again to work properly.

I don't think I had that problem with 9.62.

[rdsu]

Maybe you should report this on Opera Forum.

At work, I had a similar problem because I'm behind a proxy, and to solve it I had to change the opera:config#Performance|MaxConnectionsServer to 4, because proxy has limits...

You can also change this in "Tools> Preferences... > Advanced > Network > Max connections to a server".