DefenseWall question

[trjam]

when my daughter plays the Sims, Defensewall isolates the game. How do I exclude it so she can save her games in My Documents, where EA stores the games.

[Kees1958]

-{ Quote: "when my daughter plays the Sims, Defensewall isolates the game. How do I exclude it so she can save her games in My Documents, where EA stores the games." }-


Go to resource protection

Add the simms program ato the left panel, next add the directories in the right panel. Better to include the registry keys of SIms also (look at HKU Software and HKLM Software)

Cheers Kees

[Ilya Rabinovich]

Use "Untrusted applications"->"Excludes" dialog to exclude certain apps from runing untrusted.

But it's very strange indeed as "My Documents" floder shouldn't be isolated.

[Kees1958]

Trjam problably choose to run programs from removable sources as untrusted.

Some games require the CD to be inserted, even when program is already installed.

According to DW policy the games stats are created by an untrusted source (the CD), so the saved documents are untrusted.

But hey you are the author of this amazing piece of software, so I am not argueing with you on this topic :)

[Ilya Rabinovich]

-{ Quote: "According to DW policy the games stats are created by an untrusted source (the CD), so the saved documents are untrusted." }-
Yeah, but it's strange the game can't save it's data files. I already sent my question to trjam and, with DW's logs I'll be able to find out the reason of the issue. Any case, untrusted applications exclusions works as they should. :)

[Kees1958]

-{ Quote: "Yeah, but it's strange the game can't save it's data files. I already sent my question to trjam and, with DW's logs I'll be able to find out the reason of the issue. Any case, untrusted applications exclusions works as they should. :)" }-

How is the new skin proceeding 8) ;D :P

[Ilya Rabinovich]

Well, it is proceeding, but veeeeeeeeeery slow. I'm trying to speed this process up as much as I can.

[trjam]

think I got it. I moved the game to trusted and it seemed to work. Thanks Ilya and Kees. So how is the outbound protection proceeding. lol:thumb:

[Ilya Rabinovich]

It's not proceeding as I need to provide 2.46 version first. When it will be done, I move further.

[Hugger]

-{ Quote: "Go to resource protection

Add the simms program ato the left panel, next add the directories in the right panel. Better to include the registry keys of SIms also (look at HKU Software and HKLM Software)

Cheers Kees" }-

The above explanation is one of the few things I wish were easier in DW.
Rather than having to add something in one panel and then add directories in another panel why not just be able to specify the name of the program to be excluded or trusted?
Seems to me that that would be simpler and quicker. Keeping with the idea of 'Keep it simple'.
Just a thought.
Hugger

[Kees1958]

Hugger,

DW has two options

A) the simple exclude Ilya pointed out
B) resource protection (what I explained)

Resource protection was Ilya's answer to the fine granular control of GesWall Pro. Nice thing of Resource Protection is that it comes fully preconfigured.

The play scheme of DW is

a) Seperate Trusted from Untrusted appplications with the untrusted programs/file screen
b) Seperate Untrusted from each other (so one untrusted program is not allowed to access untrusted resources to of another program) with resource protection.

On top of that DW has some build in (user friendly) feautures, like:
a) auto clean of roll back list
b) auto protect untrusted files from being attacked by untrusted processes after some time (but they still keep the status untrusted)
c) exclude programs/files from DW defense mechanisme
d) etc.

I agree that the access of these functions could be more straight forward. Ilya will be implementing a new skin next version, next outbound control.
Ilya shuld provide a configuration wizzard with version 3. On it self the user frienliness of the induvidual screens is okay. I think the sequence of the screens and assistance/explanation in this process could improve.

[Hugger]

-{ Quote: "Hugger,

DW has two options

A) the simple exclude Ilya pointed out
B) resource protection (what I explained)

Resource protection was Ilya's answer to the fine granular control of GesWall Pro. Nice thing of Resource Protection is that it comes fully preconfigured.

The play scheme of DW is

a) Seperate Trusted from Untrusted appplications with the untrusted programs/file screen
b) Seperate Untrusted from each other (so one untrusted program is not allowed to access untrusted resources to of another program) with resource protection.

On top of that DW has some build in (user friendly) feautures, like:
a) auto clean of roll back list
b) auto protect untrusted files from being attacked by untrusted processes after some time (but they still keep the status untrusted)
c) exclude programs/files from DW defense mechanisme
d) etc.

I agree that the access of these functions could be more straight forward. Ilya will be implementing a new skin next version, next outbound control.
Ilya shuld provide a configuration wizzard with version 3. On it self the user frienliness of the induvidual screens is okay. I think the sequence of the screens and assistance/explanation in this process could improve." }-

Kees,
Thanks. I agree with you about the user friendliness.
I wasn't complaining. DW is the base of my security and will probably be there for a long time.
Hugger

[trjam]

well i am sold on it and using nothing else.;)

[jmonge]

-{ Quote: "well i am sold on it and using nothing else.;)" }-nice avatar;D similar to mine;D hey me too when i got defensewall i ditched alot of staff i dont really need,cause defensewall is strong and capable of protecting you in real time,even your usb devices as untrusted,good idea:thumb: no more antivirus here after i got defensewall and when i scan pc whith one all they found is tracking cookies8)

[GES/POR]

-{ Quote: "nice avatar;D similar to mine;D hey me too when i got defensewall i ditched alot of staff i dont really need,cause defensewall is strong and capable of protecting you in real time,even your usb devices as untrusted,good idea:thumb: no more antivirus here after i got defensewall and when i scan pc whith one all they found is tracking cookies8)" }-

Wich av's scan for cookies?

[trjam]

F Secure will and I think Norton will.

[emperordarius]

-{ Quote: "F Secure will and I think Norton will." }-

BitDefender too I think...What a waste of time.

[GES/POR]

Ok thanks, whenever im hungry i will use one of those :thumb:

[jmonge]

-{ Quote: "Wich av's scan for cookies?" }-spyware terminator or superantispyware free:thumb:

[emperordarius]

-{ Quote: "spyware terminator or superantispyware free:thumb:" }-

He was talking about Antiviruses, not Antispywares, because it's rather strange for an av to scan for them.;)

[GES/POR]

Any tools that scan for White Castle burgers?

[Hugger]

-{ Quote: "Any tools that scan for White Castle burgers?" }-

My stomach.
It can detect a castle from miles away.

[trjam]

-{ Quote: "Any tools that scan for White Castle burgers?" }-
And Castles have walls, for defense. ::) ;)

[Subgud]

I have some questions about DF and what applications you should run as trusted. Outlook? Firefox? IE7? My AV? My FW? Mamutu?

This is the one thing i dont understand about DW. And i use vista. In vista there is a download folder. When i have downloaded things, installed them, and then want to move them to thrash i get the message that i dont have permission.

Why is this? And what should i do about it? As you see i use GDATA AV, Comodo FW and mamutu. Is it necessary for my to use DF at all?

[Ilya Rabinovich]

Could you, please, clarify what and how exactly you move to trash?

As about untrusted things- it's the threat-gates applications (browsers, e-mail, IM, IRC, P2P and multimedia clients).

[Subgud]

I am sorry for my poor explanation! I ment that when i try to delete thoose files that is in my download folder ex: picassa.exe, google desktop.exe, firefox.exe. installation files that i dont need no more.

When i mark them and then select delete, i get the message that i dont have permission. When DW is not installed, i rightclick them and select delete and they move to my trashbin.

Why do i need permission to delete them and how to avoid it?

[Fuzzfas]

@ Sugbud

I am a Defensewall newbie, but DW shouldn't interfere with deleting folders manually... Do you have also Comodo installed when this happens? Maybe D+'s folder protection is mixed with something from Defensewall and this happens.

Anyway, Ilya will find the "cure". (probably if you export your Defensewall log, it will become evident what happens).

[Ilya Rabinovich]

-{ Quote: "I am sorry for my poor explanation! I ment that when i try to delete thoose files that is in my download folder ex: picassa.exe, google desktop.exe, firefox.exe. installation files that i dont need no more.

When i mark them and then select delete, i get the message that i dont have permission. When DW is not installed, i rightclick them and select delete and they move to my trashbin.

Why do i need permission to delete them and how to avoid it?" }-
This means, by some reasons, DW just couldn't delete them with a standard DeleteFile function. To find out what is exactly wrong, I need send you new executable file with debug output.