New Shadow Defender is out, Version 1.1.0.275 - October 6, 2008

[demoneye]

Change History:
Fix: compatiable with Nero burning tool.
Add: custom threshold free space in shadow protected volume.
Add: some GUI changes

http://shadowdefender.com/download.html

[Ohmy]

Thanks!

But Why don't I see any difference in the GUI?

[nanana1]

-{ Quote: "Thanks!

But Why don't I see any difference in the GUI?" }-

'cos you missed it.8)

The developer add a feature in the GUI about the free space, etc.
I think it's under the Option tab.

[trjam]

well I have run it through the grinder since yesterday and so far flawless. Worked with, Avira, Eset, Geswall, Avast and Threatfire so far. Avast is really looking good in detection. It had been awhile since I installed the pro version.

Good work Tony.;) :thumb:

[Einsturzende]

I really like this software and I have a question, is there official forum for this software?
I would like to suggest one feature on that forum, registry exclusion.

[trjam]

-{ Quote: "I really like this software and I have a question, is there official forum for this software?
I would like to suggest one feature on that forum, registry exclusion." }-
no official forum but here I guess. Plenty use it so you will get alot of help from Wilders Members.

Registry exclusion, Tonycn is the developer and member here, he will see your request or you can email him directly at
support@shadowdefender.com

[Einsturzende]

-{ Quote: "no official forum but here I guess. Plenty use it so you will get alot of help from Wilders Members.

Registry exclusion, Tonycn is the developer and member here, he will see your request or you can email him directly at
support@shadowdefender.com" }-
Thank you :)

[n8chavez]

How effective is that at anything negative that could possibly be thrown at it? I ask because I'm considering this as a replacement for Sandboxie. In your opinion, would this be a effective replacement for SBIE?

[trjam]

Aigle and Peter have tested it very extensively. It held up very well. I think there was one time a nasty wasnt detected and the vendor corrected that in 2 days. I would say that is is not a fly-by-night product and has risen to the top to be one of the more stable and productive products in the market.

[Peter2150]

-{ Quote: "Aigle and Peter have tested it very extensively. It held up very well. I think there was one time a nasty wasnt detected and the vendor corrected that in 2 days. I would say that is is not a fly-by-night product and has risen to the top to be one of the more stable and productive products in the market." }-

Yep. I use it to protect my system when I am playing with nasty stuff in a VM machine.

Pete

[djohn]

Yep its on my to do purchase list.:thumb:

[Hugger]

Thanks for the news.
Can I install this on top of my existing SD or do I need to uninstall the old one first?
Hugger

[Einsturzende]

-{ Quote: "Thanks for the news.
Can I install this on top of my existing SD or do I need to uninstall the old one first?
Hugger" }-
No need for uninstallation, just run 1.1.0.275 installer to update existing installation
-{ Quote: "How effective is that at anything negative that could possibly be thrown at it? I ask because I'm considering this as a replacement for Sandboxie. In your opinion, would this be a effective replacement for SBIE?" }-
You can run it along with sandboxie, I personally run: KIS 2009, sandboxie and shadow defender

[n8chavez]

Wouldn't that be extremely repetative? That'd be (almost) like having two virtualization programs, right?

[Einsturzende]

-{ Quote: "Wouldn't that be extremely repetative? That'd be (almost) like having two virtualization programs, right?" }-
Yes I believe so, but there is no interference between those two, in fact I run sandboxie all time, SD only on-demand (in certain situations)

[Peter2150]

-{ Quote: "Yes I believe so, but there is no interference between those two, in fact I run sandboxie all time, SD only on-demand (in certain situations)" }-

This is exactly what I do.

Pete

[Einsturzende]

If there is registry exclusions in SD and some other usability changes/additions , I would consider dumping sandboxie ...for now SD is to "stiff" for me to use it all time, extra flexibility will be great till then only on-demand.

[Pseudo]

I've always loved Shadow Defender... as soon as I get a new computer I can use to myself, it's going on immediately. :D

[munckman]

-{ Quote: "If there is registry exclusions in SD and some other usability changes/additions , I would consider dumping sandboxie ...for now SD is to "stiff" for me to use it all time, extra flexibility will be great till then only on-demand." }-

Einsturzende, I see your point and agree but...

Registry exclusions would be useful and at the same time could possibly be a hindrance (users would have to know specific registry entries for various programs). Presently, it is possible, say to, have SD on and update Avira AntiVir using a combination of file excludes and "disregarding the fact that AntiVir says that the definitions are NOT up-to-date" ; but in fact is really
up-todate - across reboots. This is certainly not the best scenario.:o It is possible but not convenient and confusing to say the least.

It would be great if SD Users could selectively allow certain programs free reign to update and that the updates were retained across reboots. Sorry for stating the obvious.:isay:

Regards

[trjam]

Avira updates are up to date while in Shadow mode. I stay in shadow mode for days sometimes and Avira updates so it is up to date. On a reboot, I manually click update and it just returns the updates to where they were before I came out of shadow mode.

[Peter2150]

-{ Quote: "Avira updates are up to date while in Shadow mode. I stay in shadow mode for days sometimes and Avira updates so it is up to date. On a reboot, I manually click update and it just returns the updates to where they were before I came out of shadow mode." }-

Hi trjam

Only danger I see of staying constantly shadowed is if you run the temporary area out of space the system hangs, hence the new alert.

Tony what I would like to see is an option to specify a larger shadow file before going into shadow mode.

Pete

[trjam]

well there is the graph to show you how much space is being used by SD. And if push came to shove, it is in a snapshot with FD-ISR.;)

[nanana1]

-{ Quote: "Avira updates are up to date while in Shadow mode. I stay in shadow mode for days sometimes and Avira updates so it is up to date. On a reboot, I manually click update and it just returns the updates to where they were before I came out of shadow mode." }-

trjam, if you know which folders to exclude, Avira can retain it's updates after you exit shadow mode. I recalled seeing someone asking that question which folders to exclude.

[hany3]

to retain avira's update
u don't need to exclude folders only , but also u have to exclude some registery keys us well , while SD does not support such feature yet
i asked tony about such feature many times long ago
however another the low ratted clean slate support this feature , but i don't like it
any way u can exit the shadow mode every 2 or 3 days and update it then re-enabled it
best regards

[Saraceno]

After a reboot, I find it easy just to check for any windows updates, and update your AV, takes about 10 seconds, then start Shadow Defender (enter Shadow Mode).

Personally I don't see the need to exclude folders, just find the file you want to keep, right-click and select 'commit'.

So easy to use.

[djohn]

Just a thought perhaps a stupid one but if at all possiable,what I like see in the exclusions for like saving changes to updates and so forth is some sort smart file or registry finder to locate whats needed to the exclusion to hold changes such as AV after reboot, rather then digging through it.

[Saraceno]

I see what you're saying djohn.

But then you might have some users 'accidentally' excluding something that shouldn't be. Then they might later say Shadow Defender let some 'nasties' through.

Personally, I like how robust the program currently is. Nothing gets through.

[virtumonde]

The updates remain after exiting Shadow Mode if Avira folders from program files &All users/Application Data are excluded,on xp pro.

[hany3]

-{ Quote: "The updates remain after exiting Shadow Mode if Avira folders from program files &All users/Application Data are excluded,on xp pro." }-

yes they remain , but after restart , avira does not feel them
it behaves as if it is outdated , and warns u that many days since last update

for avira to remember after reboot that it is up to date
it needs exclusion of some avira's registery keys as well

[trjam]

you have to keep in mind like the person who was trying to commit the entire C: drive that, if you exclude or commit massive amounts of data or folders, you really defeat the purpose of having SD.

[Saraceno]

I think registry exclusions would work for us, as in, those careful with what they are doing.

But added features could make the program confusing for the regular user.

For example, users who mention how effective the program is with protecting say 'the son's computer', those added features could pose problems.

Maybe I'm totally wrong, but sometimes keeping it so simple is what makes the product so effective.

[trjam]

-{ Quote: "I think registry exclusions would work for us, as in, those careful with what they are doing.

But added features could make the program confusing for the regular user.

For example, users who mention how effective the program is with protecting say 'the son's computer', those added features could pose problems.

Maybe I'm totally wrong, but sometimes keeping it simple makes the product so effective." }-
totally agree :thumb:

[djohn]

Also on exclusions for example If setting it up for children, if password protected was added to exclusion then it could be set only authorized users can make committ changes to be saved.

[nanana1]

Okay, found it !

To update and retain Avira in shadow mode, exclude the following folders :

C:\Program Files\Avira\
C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\ {username} \Avira\
C:\windows\system32\drivers\

(The third exclusion is what many people miss out):lurking:

It didn't mention registry update is needed and one user reported success with these folders exclusion.8)

Anyone can try and report results here ? *puppy*

[Einsturzende]

-{ Quote: "Okay, found it !

To update and retain Avira in shadow mode, exclude the following folders :

C:\Program Files\Avira\
C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\ {username} \Avira\
C:\windows\system32\drivers\

(The third exclusion is what many people miss out):lurking:

It didn't mention registry update is needed and one user reported success with these folders exclusion.8)

Anyone can try and report results here ? *puppy*" }-
Third exclusion is dangerous one and not valid, find actual *.sys (file) better, not entire folder especially not THAT ~~shiver~~ folder...*puppy*

[nanana1]

-{ Quote: "Third exclusion is dangerous one and not valid, find actual *.sys (file) better, not entire folder especially not THAT ~~shiver~~ folder...*puppy*" }-

Agree....btw this exclusion is mentioned by the mod on Avira forum.

[Einsturzende]

-{ Quote: "Agree....btw this exclusion is mentioned by the mod on Avira forum." }-
That mod should be baned for advices like that, it is one of most sensitive folder you can imagine and it needs to be protected (if you do not wanna pick some nastiness e.g. rootkit or similar)

[doktornotor]

-{ Quote: "That mod should be baned for advices like that, it is one of most sensitive folder you can imagine and it needs to be protected (if you do not wanna pick some nastiness e.g. rootkit or similar)" }-

+1 :wacko:

[Saraceno]

I think if you're wanting to exclude a growing number of folders, have programs updating all the time, and can't do without these, then SD might not be the program for you.

You'd be better off trying/using one of the many top behavior blockers available (mamutu, malware defender).

See, I can't help but install programs/games, and try various tools out, and usually, most of the time I regret installing them. And my brain is always dead so pop-ups/alerts were stressing it out! So I'm loving this program. :)

[nanana1]

Don't write this off yet. :lurking:

I vaguely recall there are only 2-3 files that Avira has inside the system32 folder that you can try exclude.:P

Anyone game enough to try ?*puppy*

[munckman]

-{ Quote: "Okay, found it !

To update and retain Avira in shadow mode, exclude the following folders :

C:\Program Files\Avira\
C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\ {username} \Avira\
C:\windows\system32\drivers\

(The third exclusion is what many people miss out):lurking:

It didn't mention registry update is needed and one user reported success with these folders exclusion.8)

Anyone can try and report results here ? *puppy*" }-
The way I remember it is http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1102305&postcount=24 but that is a year old so maybe things have changed. :-[

But in a nutshell...
-{ Quote: "For AntiVir, adding these two entries to SD's Exclusion List will allow the update to survive a reboot:

C:\Program Files\AntiVir PersonalEdition Premium\*
C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\AntiVir PersonalEdition Premium\*


I believe this registry entry prevents both places in the AntiVir Status window from showing the same :
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\H+BEDV\AntiVir PersonalEdition Premium V 7 |LastUpdate
" }-
... things may have changed since then and now and if they have, I need to change something because I was talking about version 7 at the time. I'm running AntiVir PersonalEdition Premium V 8 (updated through Antir 7) but I still have the registry entry for V7.:-\

[virtumonde]

On a new xp image using a trial of total uninstall i did a custom installation of avira premium security suite.
I installed only the antivirus (no webguard,no mailguard,no firewall,etc).
Here is what Total uninstall showed regarding system 32.
If anyone is interested i will install only the premium version with all features and display the log.