AV Suites With HIPS And Vista

[Ed_H]

The fact that KIS 2009 has limited HIPS capabilities with Vista has been discussed in several threads already. My question is are there any suites with non-crippled HIPS capabilities with Vista? Since the companies do not readily address this in their marketing material, I guess it is up to individuals who know how to test to figure it out.

[vijayind]

Comodo works. I have tested/used it. Defense+ works like a charm.

I install AV-Suite minus Firewall+HIPS. Then use Comodo Firewall Pro.

[doktornotor]

You'd better also mention whether you are using 32bit or 64bit Vista...

[Ed_H]

-{ Quote: "Comodo works. I have tested/used it. Defense+ works like a charm.

I install AV-Suite minus Firewall+HIPS. Then use Comodo Firewall Pro." }-

I have tried Comodo with D+ in the past and it always seemed to slow things down. Maybe time to try it again or possibly the Online Armor beta is getting close enough to release to try.

[Ed_H]

-{ Quote: "You'd better also mention whether you are using 32bit or 64bit Vista..." }-

I am using 32 bit.

[Kerodo]

-{ Quote: "I am using 32 bit." }-
Why do you feel the need for a HIPS in Vista? The fact that this feature is rare in AV Suites for Vista is a bit of a clue do you not think?

[jrmhng]

-{ Quote: "Why do you feel the need for a HIPS in Vista? The fact that this feature is rare in AV Suites for Vista is a bit of a clue do you not think?" }-

I thought it was just because it was hard to implement. What are you reading from the fact that not many vendors have a full implementation of HIPS features in their Vista editions?

[entropism]

NIS 2009 has Norton Antibot in it, works on 32 and 64 bit Vista. Why so set on a suite though? Plenty of standalone free HIPS out there that will work on a 32 bit Vista install.

[Ed_H]

-{ Quote: "Why do you feel the need for a HIPS in Vista? The fact that this feature is rare in AV Suites for Vista is a bit of a clue do you not think?" }-

I have the same understanding as huangker. I thought it was an implementation issue not a lack of necessity.

[Minimax2000]

Outpost Security Suite 2009 on Vista x64 here. It runs stable.

[Ed_H]

-{ Quote: "NIS 2009 has Norton Antibot in it, works on 32 and 64 bit Vista. Why so set on a suite though? Plenty of standalone free HIPS out there that will work on a 32 bit Vista install." }-

I am looking for a suite that has quiet HIPS (like KIS 2009) because my wife and sister tend to click OK to all pop ups. So, it is best if the HIPS program makes the decision for them and I think this is most likely found in a suite.

For my laptop, I just tried Comodo with D+ again and it just slows everything down too much. I am now giving the OA beta a try. So far, so good.

[vijayind]

I tried ZoneAlarm Security Suite. In version 8, they have complete OSFirewall (ZA's HIPS) for Vista.
Its pretty good , quiet and user friendly. With Kaspersky AV engine, it quite decent at spotting infections too. I would recommend you to give it a try.

[Ed_H]

-{ Quote: "I tried ZoneAlarm Security Suite. In version 8, they have complete OSFirewall (ZA's HIPS) for Vista.
Its pretty good , quiet and user friendly. With Kaspersky AV engine, it quite decent at spotting infections too. I would recommend you to give it a try." }-

Thanks, I'll try it out.

[Ed_H]

-{ Quote: "Outpost Security Suite 2009 on Vista x64 here. It runs stable." }-

Previous experiences with Outpost gave me lots of BSOD's. But that was a while ago, I'll take another look. Thanks

[Kerodo]

-{ Quote: "I thought it was just because it was hard to implement. What are you reading from the fact that not many vendors have a full implementation of HIPS features in their Vista editions?" }-
Could be difficult yes, but I don't really see the need either, and perhaps the vendors see that way as well... it maybe be "difficult to implement" because a 3rd party HIPS would conflict too much with existing Vista features.... I don't know any more than anyone else, just guessing.... my 2 cents as it were...

[oliverjia]

I am not sure what do you mean by saying "a 3rd party HIPS would conflict too much with existing Vista features". Comodo 3 works without any problems on my vista x64. If Comodo 3 can work well on vista 64, I don't think it's a necessity issue for some AV suite not offering HIPS.
The existing HIPS function in vista is really not strong enough. I think there is a necessity for HIPS on vista.

-{ Quote: "Could be difficult yes, but I don't really see the need either, and perhaps the vendors see that way as well... it maybe be "difficult to implement" because a 3rd party HIPS would conflict too much with existing Vista features.... I don't know any more than anyone else, just guessing.... my 2 cents as it were..." }-

[entropism]

-{ Quote: "I am looking for a suite that has quiet HIPS (like KIS 2009) because my wife and sister tend to click OK to all pop ups. So, it is best if the HIPS program makes the decision for them and I think this is most likely found in a suite.

For my laptop, I just tried Comodo with D+ again and it just slows everything down too much. I am now giving the OA beta a try. So far, so good." }-

Norton Antibot is about as silent as you can get. What you really need is a pop-up and ad blocker, if that's your concern. Firefox, Adblock+, SuperAdBlocker

[Ed_H]

-{ Quote: "Could be difficult yes, but I don't really see the need either, and perhaps the vendors see that way as well... it maybe be "difficult to implement" because a 3rd party HIPS would conflict too much with existing Vista features.... I don't know any more than anyone else, just guessing.... my 2 cents as it were..." }-

Are you suggesting that VISTA is secure enough without add on HIPS? That would be great if it were the case but I have my doubts.

[Ed_H]

-{ Quote: "Norton Antibot is about as silent as you can get. What you really need is a pop-up and ad blocker, if that's your concern. Firefox, Adblock+, SuperAdBlocker" }-

Sorry, should have been more clear. I was refering to my wife clicking OK to all pop ups from HIPS programs. Hence the need for a pretty silent HIPS.

[subset]

-{ Quote: "If Comodo 3 can work well on vista 64, I don't think it's a necessity issue for some AV suite not offering HIPS.
" }-
Developing and offering a full featured 64bit product is for many companies connected with the calculation of earning power.
It seems like many think/know 'it's still a waste of time and money'.
Not every company is able to develop gainless products.

Cheers

[Kerodo]

-{ Quote: "I am not sure what do you mean by saying "a 3rd party HIPS would conflict too much with existing Vista features". Comodo 3 works without any problems on my vista x64. If Comodo 3 can work well on vista 64, I don't think it's a necessity issue for some AV suite not offering HIPS.
The existing HIPS function in vista is really not strong enough. I think there is a necessity for HIPS on vista." }-
Then why don't more vendors implement them for Vista? I personally don't think any is needed. On my Vista x64 here, all I use is Avira Free + Defender. That's it. A decent browser like Opera, and you're good. What do you need the HIPS for?

[Kerodo]

-{ Quote: "Are you suggesting that VISTA is secure enough without add on HIPS? That would be great if it were the case but I have my doubts." }-
Yep, that's my take on it. As mentioned in the previous post...... particulary on x64. But everyone has their individual needs....

[djohn]

Here is a little more insite of Vista security and why Hips may not be needed.http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/02/09/528963.aspx

[entropism]

-{ Quote: "Sorry, should have been more clear. I was refering to my wife clicking OK to all pop ups from HIPS programs. Hence the need for a pretty silent HIPS." }-

Then use AntiBot. I haven't had a popup from it ever, after almost what, a year?

[3xist]

-{ Quote: "I have tried Comodo with D+ in the past and it always seemed to slow things down. Maybe time to try it again or possibly the Online Armor beta is getting close enough to release to try." }-

Hello.

Memory Usage shouldn't be an issue. Comodo Internet Security runs on 2 process quite lightly. :) And the pop ups have been reduced thanks to the whitelist & AV (You can use another AV if you wish off course).