I wonder............

[Sjoeii]

how any people will change their security set up after todays results from av-comparatives

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "how any people will change their security set up after todays results from av-comparatives" }-

the sig watching begins. :lurking:

[Sjoeii]

Haha
indeed. Let's see how much influence IBK has

[Meriadoc]

Unless Placebo av comes out on top I'll stick with running naked. :)

[vijayind]

I am looking at IBK results ( along with some other tests) to finalize a buy.
But it may not necessarily end up on my personal laptop.

[Edwin024]

IBK most probably didn't test NIS2009 so I have nothing on this test and I'm quite happy with NIS ;)

[LoneWolf]

-{ Quote: "how any people will change their security set up after todays results from av-comparatives" }-

You know you will see changes.
But not here. ;D

[fried_oyz]

Well, Trustport, Eset, F-secure, and eScan have lost their ADVANCED+ status, while McAfee and Microsoft have dropped to STANDARD.. no products have improved.

[larryb52]

I don't chg I still use the standard 3 or 4, isn't that what everybody does :P

[Baz_kasp]

Kaspersky back up to advanced+...really pushed the heuristics since the last test.

I wouldn't be changing even if they got stanard though ;)

[ren]

-{ Quote: "Kaspersky back up to advanced+...really pushed the heuristics since the last test.

I wouldn't be changing even if they got stanard though ;)" }-
It is not a retrospective test Baz.

[Baz_kasp]

-{ Quote: "It is not a retrospective test Baz." }-


Had a late night...still haven't had coffee :-[

[plantextract]

true, but heuristics had their part probably since f-secure and eScan only got Advanced ;)

[larryb52]

I'm rooting for Avast to do well,

[Sjoeii]

-{ Quote: "Had a late night...still haven't had coffee :-[" }-
Lazy boy ;)

[vijayind]

-{ Quote: "true, but heuristics had their part probably since f-secure and eScan only got Advanced ;)" }-
F-Secure has their in-house heuristic engine.
But eScan uses Kaspersky Kit and if I remember correctly no in-house heuristics. Only addition is use of Microworld WinSock Layer ...

[337]

I know the results come out today, but how much does it really matter?

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/09/15/av-software-easy-break

::)

[bigc73542]

337, don't believe every little article that you come across and read.:thumbd:

[337]

These tests that many swoon over, have as much credit as such articles as was provided. The point is, keep what you have. Just wanted to give some contrast to the topic. However, (morbidly) I do enjoy watching the sigs change as well!!:lurking:

[hex_614]

what will the result be available? its 10:40pm here in the philippines.

[bigc73542]

-{ Quote: "These tests that many swoon over, have as much credit as such articles as was provided. The point is, keep what you have. Just wanted to give some contrast to the topic. However, (morbidly) I do enjoy watching the sigs change as well!!:lurking:" }-

I do agree that it is an event kicking back and watching the lemmings running back and forth to the av's that scored higest. should be on the wild world of sports ;D or worlds funniest videos.

[337]

-{ Quote: "I do agree that it is an event kicking back and watching the lemmings running back and forth to the av's that scored higest. should be on the wild world of sports ;D or worlds funniest videos." }-

lol :argh: :thumb:

[The Hammer]

I'll stay with what I have.

[Sjoeii]

And what's that than , Hammer?

[vijayind]

I am tossing between renewing subscription of Avira or going for Norton 2009...
Thats a real tough call. I hoped the tests would provide some help, but they just made it worse !!

[Edwin024]

Well, the best ones are getting closer and closer to each other. So it is really a question of testing what runs best on your machine. I had KIS, Avira IS, ESS and in the end NIS 2009 won the battle :)

[Wake2]

I like to view the test results see whats improved or whats changed but they are not the deciding factor
on what Anti Virus software I choose to run on my computers, I only consider them to be a useful guide.

Wake

[element119]

-{ Quote: "the sig watching begins. :lurking:" }-
funny stuff

[The Hammer]

-{ Quote: "Well, the best ones are getting closer and closer to each other. So it is really a question of testing what runs best on your machine. " }-That says it all right there.

[TonyW]

-{ Quote: "the sig watching begins. :lurking:" }-
I've turned signatures off; I want to read people's comments, and not add extra wordage to the post space. ;)

[Dark Shadow]

I think I will switch to sophos for the false positive excitement all 117 hundred of them.;D

[TonyW]

-{ Quote: "These tests that many swoon over, have as much credit as such articles as was provided. The point is, keep what you have." }-You have a point. These tests show what may happen if you come across such samples in the real world, but in reality, how many of us actually do if you practice safe computing?

Also I suspect the increase in false positives for some vendors means little to most people. I looked at the packages affected, but many I don't recognise simply because I don't have them installed, and it's likely neither will the average Joe. It has to be remembered these FPs have since been fixed.

These tests are useful to digest and compare results on a grand scale, but what really matters is how your chosen AV works in the day-to-day running of your computer.

[Arup]

Easy to discredit the tests but they do show some consistent pattern and is a good way to judge the all round performance of a AV.

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "These tests that many swoon over, have as much credit as such articles as was provided. The point is, keep what you have. Just wanted to give some contrast to the topic. However, (morbidly) I do enjoy watching the sigs change as well!!:lurking:" }-


What amuses me is how people look down at tests. until there product shines. then its like a 5 year old at show and tell must show everyone the results. :dry:

Me personally wont be switching anywhere. but it is nice to see Norton getting with the program. tho I am surprised to see some company's dropped out guess they got sick of getting slammed in tests they could not pass.

[Hugger]

I have often wondered what IBK uses on his or his significant other's general use pc.
Anybody know?
Hugger

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "I have often wondered what IBK uses on his or his significant other's general use pc.
Anybody know?
Hugger" }-

You know what I wonder ?


How long this thread will stay open till its closed. ;D

[Arup]

-{ Quote: "What amuses me is how people look down at tests. until there product shines. then its like a 5 year old at show and tell must show everyone the results. :dry:

Me personally wont be switching anywhere. but it is nice to see Norton getting with the program. tho I am surprised to see some company's dropped out guess they got sick of getting slammed in tests they could not pass." }-


Specially when one AV has been consistenly on top for a long while ;)

[norky]

-{ Quote: "What amuses me is how people look down at tests. until there product shines. then its like a 5 year old at show and tell must show everyone the results. :dry:

Me personally wont be switching anywhere. but it is nice to see Norton getting with the program. tho I am surprised to see some company's dropped out guess they got sick of getting slammed in tests they could not pass." }-


Out of curiosity, who dropped out?

Thanks!

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "Out of curiosity, who dropped out?

Thanks!" }-

do a little research around the site and around here you will see.. I wont list them because I'm not going to start a those test mean nothing war. 8)

they know who they are MAHAHAH.

[splicer707]

Nope. No changes here.
I might try Avira again sometime in 2011 when my current NOD32 license runs out.

[Zyrtec]

In response to the OP about if someone would change his/her security setup just because some AVs on-demand results posted by an organization that dedicates to test AVs I would say absolutely NOT, I wouldn't.

I'm using NOD32 v. 3.0.672 alongside with ZAP 8.0.15 and I won't switch even when there are some people out there alleging that NOD32 is scoring lower each time those tests are performed.
I'm using Windows XP Pro with SP-3 and I don't visit dubious places (e.g.: porn sites or warez) and I don't run my computer as an Administrator but as a RESTRICTED USER even when sometimes I might find it to be annoying.

Besides, sometimes I think that the major organizations that test AVs are from Germany and the AV that got the higher scores is from a German company...go figure.

Carlos

[Arup]

IBK has ranked Avira lower and he can never be accused of bias and if its any consolation, Russian site antimalware.ru also rated Avira tops so I don't think there is any case of bias here.

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "In response to the OP about if someone would change his/her security setup just because some AVs on-demand results posted by an organization that dedicates to test AVs I would say absolutely NOT, I wouldn't.

I'm using NOD32 v. 3.0.672 alongside with ZAP 8.0.15 and I won't switch even when there are some people out there alleging that NOD32 is scoring lower each time those tests are performed.
I'm using Windows XP Pro with SP-3 and I don't visit dubious places (e.g.: porn sites or warez) and I don't run my computer as an Administrator but as a RESTRICTED USER even when sometimes I might find it to be annoying.

Besides, sometimes I think that the major organizations that test AVs are from Germany and the AV that got the higher scores is from a German company...go figure.

Carlos" }-

So company's pay the guys so that they can look bad against other company's.. ya that's logical thinking at its finest. :dry:

[Banshee]

-{ Quote: "Out of curiosity, who dropped out?

Thanks!" }-


Drweb and F-prot.

[Zyrtec]

-{ Quote: "So company's pay the guys so that they can look bad against other company's.. ya that's logical thinking at its finest. :dry:" }-

Dear FAJO,

I take it you got to have lots of time since you keep posting here the whole day. Lucky you.
Unfortunately, I don't have enough time to be logged in here since I work so, let me go straight to the point.

I've read you've been criticising some AVs, especially ESET which I without any regrets I use. I started using ESET since 2005 thus, I've been a loyal user of that AV solution for about 3 years in a row and I can tell you with 100% of confidence that I haven't got a single virus/malware infection so far.
You may wonder why? Well, I won't tell you that I'm the luckiest guy alive or that I don't use the Internet at all because neither one is true.

I do however, use COMON SENSE, that is the real thing, comon sense.
I don't think that if you do practice bad computer habits any AV or Anti-Spyware is gonna save your day regardless how high ranked that AV is on the lists of some AV tests organizations.

How many users run their computers as Administrators just because the incovenience of running as Restricted Users ? (at least on Win XP Pro SP-3 which I run).

How many users use torrents and P2P to transfer and receive files from untrusted sources?

How many users use chat programs to receive files from unstrusted sources?

How many users open e--mail attachments despite comon sense tells them not to open attachments even from known sources?

How many users download pirated software and key-generators from WAREZ sites known to harbor SPYWARE, TROJAN HORSES and VIRUSES just because they think it's not worth paying to get software legally?

How many users surf PORN sites just because they want to get off by watching that kind of stuff?

And those same users come here with the PARANOIA about needing HIPS.
Yes, HIPS, that is something that has been put in fashion by some people now. I remember back in 1995 when the acronym HIPS was totally unknown to many and now, because the bad habits of some users, that technology has been incorporated into software firewalls when we all know that FIREWALLS are to protect the perimeter from HACKERS not to be HIPS. There is an INSANE race of firewall vendors trying to keep up with a guy known as Matousec and his so called “leak tests” instead of focusing on making better firewalls to block intruders from breaking in to your computer.

My apologies to LWM, Ronjor, Bubba, and other moderators because I went a little bit off topic here but I wanted to clarify why I think the way I do and let people know that I don't run to switch security applications running on my PC just because some posted results show that the AV I'm using “apparently” detects less malware than other AVs used by some other people.

Have a wonderful day,

Carlos

[337]

-{ Quote: "
I do however, use COMON SENSE, that is the real thing, comon sense.
I don't think that if you do practice bad computer habits any AV or Anti-Spyware is gonna save your day regardless how high ranked that AV is on the lists of some AV tests organization.
Carlos" }-

EXACTLY!:thumb:

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "Dear FAJO,

I take it you got to have lots of time since you keep posting here the whole day. Lucky you.
Unfortunately, I don't have enough time to be logged in here since I work so, let me go straight to the point.

I've read you've been criticising some AVs, especially ESET which I without any regrets I use. I started using ESET since 2005 thus, I've been a loyal user of that AV solution for about 3 years in a row and I can tell you with 100% of confidence that I haven't got a single virus/malware infection so far.
You may wonder why? Well, I won't tell you that I'm the luckiest guy alive or that I don't use the Internet at all because neither one is true.

I do however, use COMON SENSE, that is the real thing, comon sense.
I don't think that if you do practice bad computer habits any AV or Anti-Spyware is gonna save your day regardless how high ranked that AV is on the lists of some AV tests organizations.

How many users run their computers as Administrators just because the incovenience of running as Restricted Users ? (at least on Win XP Pro SP-3 which I run).

How many users use torrents and P2P to transfer and receive files from untrusted sources?

How many users use chat programs to receive files from unstrusted sources?

How many users open e--mail attachments despite comon sense tells them not to open attachments even from known sources?

How many users download pirated software and key-generators from WAREZ sites known to harbor SPYWARE, TROJAN HORSES and VIRUSES just because they think it's not worth paying to get software legally?

How many users surf PORN sites just because they want to get off by watching that kind of stuff?

And those same users come here with the PARANOIA about needing HIPS.
Yes, HIPS, that is something that has been put in fashion by some people now. I remember back in 1995 when the acronym HIPS was totally unknown to many and now, because the bad habits of some users, that technology has been incorporated into software firewalls when we all know that FIREWALLS are to protect the perimeter from HACKERS not to be HIPS. There is an INSANE race of firewall vendors trying to keep up with a guy known as Matousec and his so called “leak tests” instead of focusing on making better firewalls to block intruders from breaking in to your computer.

My apologies to LWM, Ronjor, Bubba, and other moderators because I went a little bit off topic here but I wanted to clarify why I think the way I do and let people know that I don't run to switch security applications running on my PC just because some posted results show that the AV I'm using “apparently” detects less malware than other AVs used by some other people.

Have a wonderful day,

Carlos" }-

I guess I'm lucky enough to be able to use the web thought the day. sense I'm not having to worry about a Anti-virus crashing my mainframe. but that's another story aint it. :o

I personally have been using Eset sense 99. it in fact is still on some of the server systems I run (Yet to deiced if I'm pulling it or not) ::)

As for Common sense well In the 20+ years I have now had computers. I have yet to have any problem with virus I simply keep one there to prevent as many users and I have valuable data on the drives and would rather not chance losing it. :D

Now on a simple matter of Fact. It don't matter how safe of a "browsing habits you make" some day some how you could be infected whether it be from a Drive by download a active X script or anything else. you just have to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.. for me I rather have a SMALL of chance as possible of this happening. ;D

Btw. yes tests can and do show a pattern with a AV. some have CONSISTENTLY dropped over the months. my post don't weigh on one test but many. also tests are NOT the only thing Customer service is another, Having a AV totally bring a corporate network to its knees not once but MANY times in the recent months is Unacceptable to me. :dry:

[subset]

-{ Quote: "
Besides, sometimes I think that the major organizations that test AVs are from Germany and the AV that got the higher scores is from a German company...go figure.
" }-
Didn't you realize WW2 is over? Innsbruck and AV-C are located in Austria. ;)

Cheers