COMODO Internet Security 3.5 BETA Released

[doktornotor]

Have phun! (http://forums.comodo.com/beta_corner_cis/comodo_internet_security_35_beta_released-t26993.0.html) ;) 8)

[JamesFrance]

I wouldn't have noticed it was there.

I hope it is doing something as it is so quiet.

[clocks]

I really like it so far. I just wonder what the detection rates are. I figure it will take them some time to improve in that area.

[pykko]

Very nice GUI , low system impact, great firewall, fast scanning speed (for antivirus), but poor detection rates for it.

[doktornotor]

-{ Quote: "fast scanning speed (for antivirus), but poor detection rates for it." }-

How exactly did you test this? (Note - this is NOT CAVS 2.0 engine).

[3xist]

Hi Guys.

Yes it is "quiter" Because of the Antivirus infrastructure. Also you will notice in Defense+\Advanced\Defense+ Monitor Settings, Some are not ticked like normal CFP 3, Because again, AV Covers it. Also reduces pop ups, Without sacrificing security thx to the AV.

Defense+ will still help prevent though! So what CAV 3 misses (Built into CIS), D+ will Prevent. Melih saids Detections will improve over next 12 months, and hopefully be on top (According to him). Remember this is only BETA & the starting of CIS. Also the world's first free Security Suite totally integrated & architected.

And CAV 3 is built into cmdagent.exe - Still only 2 processes. :)

[tetsuo55]

-{ Quote: "Very nice GUI , low system impact, great firewall, fast scanning speed (for antivirus), but poor detection rates for it." }-

There currently are not heuristics, but there should be a database of all malware submitted.

[3xist]

Making CFP 3 more quiet is COMODO's first step in usability!

Don't forget CAMAS (Comodo Automated Malware Analysis System) identifies malware using heuristic which will help (over 40,000 files submitted). :) Heuristics will be built in later, so will CAMAS, It will drastically improve detection rates.

Josh

[Wunibald]

Hmmmm... A free suite. Interesting.

[Macstorm]

Can anyone post some screenshots please? the comodo forum wants me to register first but i'd rather not at the moment.

[SystemJunkie]

-{ Quote: "Very nice GUI , low system impact, great firewall, fast scanning speed (for antivirus), but poor detection rates for it." }-As always I think. I assume they need at least 3-4 years to get better av rankings. I will give it a try soon.

[saberfox]

I just gave it a whirl, and the AV is as bad as ever. Threw some old samples that had 80-90% detections at VirusTotal, and CAVS failed to catch every one. The HIPS did pop up a few alerts when I tried to run some of them, but it could only cripple them halfway (perhaps because I left it at default settings?), it was ThreatFire that stepped in and quarantined them all.

[3xist]

Don't forget this is still beta, Detections will continue to improve over the next 12 months.

Josh

[Kyle1420]

-{ Quote: "I just gave it a whirl, and the AV is as bad as ever. Threw some old samples that had 80-90% detections at VirusTotal, and CAVS failed to catch every one. The HIPS did pop up a few alerts when I tried to run some of them, but it could only cripple them halfway (perhaps because I left it at default settings?), it was ThreatFire that stepped in and quarantined them all." }-


Your tests are not accurate if you use other security applications, It is very likely to cause conflict. Also as Josh said - Detections will increase.

This is very new - Don't expect CAVS3 to detect 99% of viruses right now.

And yes if you configure Defense+ correctly (takes 2 minutes) you have a very tight system.. Saved me a few times when dling from P2P. (I was in sandbox So I would of lived anyway :P)

[Macstorm]

Thanks for the screenies, Josh :thumb:

[eBBox]

Im really looking forward for this - See good potential in this suite. Will definatly help testing and improving it :thumb:

And btw. All av's have bad rates in the beginning, Kasperky, Norton, McAfee & so on all were"sucky" once. But hard work made them good and the same will happen here i hope :)

[virtumonde]

I wish Comodo Team the best in their efforts of providing this free suite.
I 've seen a feature (https://forums.comodo.com/feedbackcommentsannouncementsnews_about_cavs/comodo_internet_security_screen_shots_cis_info_closed-t26805.0.html;msg196677#msg196677)that looks great for browser protection.Anyone knows when it will be integrated?

[3xist]

Here is the CIMA (Comodo Instant Malware Analysis) (http://camas.comodo.com/cgi-bin/submit). (Yes not Automated changed to Instant for Public Release).

This System will eventually be integrated into CIS too. Anyway try the above link... put some files through. :) Doing that and your pretty much part of the AV Researcher Team for COMODO. :)

[Kyle1420]

-{ Quote: "I wish Comodo Team the best in their efforts of providing this free suite.
I 've seen a feature (https://forums.comodo.com/feedbackcommentsannouncementsnews_about_cavs/comodo_internet_security_screen_shots_cis_info_closed-t26805.0.html;msg196677#msg196677)that looks great for browser protection.Anyone knows when it will be integrated?" }-

Ahh yes. Well Melih has a team for each "Component" So the Av has a team of devs, D+ has a team of devs etc, They aren't swapping jobs.
Right now I assume that Melih is very busy with so much development going on.
Probably the best thing to do is ask him, I'll ask him myself in a week or so when he's not so busy. (By the way my name Is Kyle on comodo forums)

If he gets that system running soon (probably real soon) the malware detection base will increase very fast..It will be going after the malware, rather then waiting for it to attack and put signature.
The more people that help in the testing the better! He seriously has his head screwed on the right place guys.


;; As CIS matures he will have a team developing a "Memory" Scanner that will be intergrated into CIS, When you browse a site.. get an email etc.. Files are either written on memory or your hard disk. So this rules everything out.. No webshield, no Email scanner etc. Every file is either scanned on memory or disk.

[3xist]

We also have Site Inspection Technology to be integrated (Yep... Site Scanning!!!).

[saberfox]

Comodo has been singing the same old tune for years, i.e. just wait for the next version, we'll have new this technology, improved that feature, the best thing since sliced bread, even though we're absolute cr@p right now. This tired old mantra hasn't changed even with version 3 which is supposedly far superior, but is nothing but the same old.

I'll believe Comodo's talk when I see them actually perform, instead of just relying on the hype generated from their firewall taking top place in a completely irrelevent firewall test (aka Matousec).

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "Comodo has been singing the same old tune for years, i.e. just wait for the next version, we'll have new this technology, improved that feature, the best thing since sliced bread, even though we're absolute cr@p right now. This tired old mantra hasn't changed even with version 3 which is supposedly far superior, but is nothing but the same old.

I'll believe Comodo's talk when I see them actually perform, instead of just relying on the hype generated from their firewall taking top place in a completely irrelevent firewall test (aka Matousec)." }-'

Even Comodo's mod's on the forum say Matousec is a pointless test only in it for the money. but they do give a link to a much better test. I think Kyle posted it awhile back maybe he will post it again.

[virtumonde]

-{ Quote: "Ahh yes. Well Melih has a team for each "Component" So the Av has a team of devs, D+ has a team of devs etc, They aren't swapping jobs.
Right now I assume that Melih is very busy with so much development going on.
Probably the best thing to do is ask him, I'll ask him myself in a week or so when he's not so busy. (By the way my name Is Kyle on comodo forums)

If he gets that system running soon (probably real soon) the malware detection base will increase very fast..It will be going after the malware, rather then waiting for it to attack and put signature.
The more people that help in the testing the better! He seriously has his head screwed on the right place guys.


;; As CIS matures he will have a team developing a "Memory" Scanner that will be intergrated into CIS, When you browse a site.. get an email etc.. Files are either written on memory or your hard disk. So this rules everything out.. No webshield, no Email scanner etc. Every file is either scanned on memory or disk." }-
Thanks.Now it seems only AV&DEfence Plus.When more features are added and if the mem usage will remain low it will be a great product and hopfully will be easy to understand with all these features,although i assume they will be integrated in D+ & CAV,and not as separate modules

-{ Quote: "Here is the CIMA (Comodo Instant Malware Analysis) (http://camas.comodo.com/cgi-bin/submit). (Yes not Automated changed to Instant for Public Release).

This System will eventually be integrated into CIS too. Anyway try the above link... put some files through. :) Doing that and your pretty much part of the AV Researcher Team for COMODO. :)" }-
This is great.Similar to sunbelt sandbox,or threat expert and has also a verdict which is really useful as some system changes are too hard to understand.

[Kyle1420]

-{ Quote: "Comodo has been singing the same old tune for years, i.e. just wait for the next version, we'll have new this technology, improved that feature, the best thing since sliced bread, even though we're absolute cr@p right now. This tired old mantra hasn't changed even with version 3 which is supposedly far superior, but is nothing but the same old.

I'll believe Comodo's talk when I see them actually perform, instead of just relying on the hype generated from their firewall taking top place in a completely irrelevent firewall test (aka Matousec)." }-

Please look here;
http://forums.comodo.com/feedbackcommentsannouncementsnews/matousec_firewall_test_results_2008-t20986.0.html;msg145935#msg145935

Hey Sabre Are you referring to firewall testing or the testing of The HIPS? If you have a virtual machine seriously try Defense+ out for your self in Safe Mode.. and try it against real malware. As for the firewall, It's very effective. There are predefined rules you can use not to respond to incoming requests.
But ofcourse you can just look at GRC to see if your ports are shielded and closed.

Hope this helps, Keep the comments coming :)

[Kyle1420]

-{ Quote: "Thanks.Now it seems only AV&DEfence Plus.When more features are added and if the mem usage will remain low it will be a great product and hopfully will be easy to understand with all these features,although i assume they will be integrated in D+ & CAV,and not as separate modules

" }-

Of course mem usage will be low! 3 components, CFP3,CAVS and defense+ use under 3m of memory combined. I've seen it go as low as 1mb before.

All products will be offered as stand-alone and also as modules you can add to the CIS suite for maximum customization.

[3xist]

-{ Quote: "
All products will be offered as stand-alone and also as modules you can add to the CIS suite for maximum customization.
" }-

Actually Kyle, CAV 3 won't be offered "Stand a lone" (Because of it already being in CIS, And you can Install it only if you wish). Eventually, CAV Board on the Forums will be Gone as soon as enough People move from CAV 2 to CAV 3, And when the Final version of CIS is out.

As for the Comodo Firewall, It will still be available as it is today.

[Kyle1420]

-{ Quote: "Actually Kyle, CAV 3 won't be offered "Stand a lone" (Because of it already being in CIS, And you can Install it only if you wish). Eventually, CAV Board on the Forums will be Gone as soon as enough People move from CAV 2 to CAV 3, And when the Final version of CIS is out.

As for the Comodo Firewall, It will still be available as it is today." }-

??? ??? I've read and there are posts from Melih.


June 15th Quote from Melih;

the dev team is now finalising the production release for CAV3. They are also building CIS (Comodo Internet Security) so that you can have CAV3 on its own or as CIS along with Firewall and Defense+ (as an internet security suite).

[bluesprite]

I notice some pretty heavy virtual memory usage, is that normal? :gack:

202886

[3xist]

Sorry. Misunderstanding.

The Stand a lone CAV3 is in CIS it self - Just select only CAV 3 during installation and you have it...

If you already have CIS or Firewall installed. Go to Add/Remove Programs and Run the uninstaller for CIS. Now it will be on "Add/Remove" Click "Next". Now Remove Unselect Firewall & Select Antivirus. Click Next & Reboot then you have CAV 3 stand a lone. Quite unique how that happens and how GUI Changes over reboot... CIS Really is configurable and totally integrated. :)

Yes. There is high mem usage during scanning and cmdagent.exe uses 24MB on startup too for 5-10 mins then goes back to normal. but really Like really high mem usage during scanning... But it has been identified & fix for next release. Thanks Guys...

But Do you have nothing running in CIS and thats the mem usage in ur VM? What other Software?

Josh

[bluesprite]

I ran a full system virus scan, perhaps that is when the VM usage reached nearly a gigabyte. I have a browser, a mail client, an instant messenger and a torrent client running. The VM usage reached 1 178 284K so far.

[aigle]

Strangely on my system, on-demand scanner is not detecting anything while on-access scnner is working OK.

Anyone like this?

[Kyle1420]

Probably best to post any bugs you find at comodo;;

http://forums.comodo.com/beta_corner_cis/comodo_internet_security_35_beta_bug_reports-t26982.0.html

BlueSprite; I have no idea why this is, Please report it to the above link ^ I had a similar problem when i installed comodo, If you let comodo "Rest" for about 5 mins it will jump down to 3mb of mem and then you can it should not go over 80mb i think.

I'm sure comodo will look into this :)

[Adric]

-{ Quote: "I ran a full system virus scan, perhaps that is when the VM usage reached nearly a gigabyte. I have a browser, a mail client, an instant messenger and a torrent client running. The VM usage reached 1 178 284K so far." }-

Known problem. Developer indicated this is caused by a memory leak which will be fixed in a future release.

Al

[blacknight]

Did someone using DS tried it with COMODO Internet Security ?

[Osaban]

On my system CIS beta (without the AV module) crashes when I reboot in frozen mode using DeepFreeze. CFP 3 works very well instead, and as I'm not interested in the AV module (I have no AV installed) it's not a big deal for me.

I reported the bug at the Comodo forum for the record, hope they can do something about it.

[Kyle1420]

-{ Quote: "Did someone using DS tried it with COMODO Internet Security ? " }-

I will try this for you and get back.

[blacknight]

Thanks a lot Kyle1420 ;)

[3xist]

New beta next week (hopefully) with bug fixes...

[pykko]

-{ Quote: "New beta next week (hopefully) with bug fixes..." }-
That's good news. :)

I've just spotted some very big bugs: see post 137 at CIS bud reports forum. Hope you will fix those too.

[truthseeker]

-{ Quote: "I really like it so far. I just wonder what the detection rates are. I figure it will take them some time to improve in that area." }-

Does it run stable on Vista?

[Kyle1420]

-{ Quote: "Does it run stable on Vista?" }-

Yes it has vista support.

[Kyle1420]

-{ Quote: "Thanks a lot Kyle1420 ;)" }-

Works fine for me, I ran it under Diskshield.

[3xist]

-{ Quote: "That's good news. :)

I've just spotted some very big bugs: see post 137 at CIS bud reports forum. Hope you will fix those too." }-

Thanks. Changed my name to Josh on the forums btw. :)

you see... There are so many Bug Reports on that thread, It might even take a few betas to get them fixed. But please understand.

[truthseeker]

-{ Quote: "Works fine for me, I ran it under Diskshield." }-

What's Diskshield?

[Saraceno]

It's free software in beta stage from Comodo (http://forums.comodo.com/comodo_diskshield/comodo_diskshield_version_10118_beta_released-t24713.0.html), that should be similar to Shadow Defender (http://www.shadowdefender.com/).

Wilders thread on Commodo DiskShield here (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=214103&highlight=disk+shield).

By saying that, users here do comment that Shadow Defender is stable and works very well.

From their forums, the Comodo CEO Melih says they're hoping to implement a few features such as not only allowing you to remove software which doesn't require a reboot, but also allowing you to remove software which will still require a reboot to install.

Anyone know if SD is far away off implementing this as well?

[blacknight]

-{ Quote: "Works fine for me, I ran it under Diskshield." }-

Thanks for your testing Kyle1420, but I meant Drive Sentry, here often called DS. :-[ No problem, I'll test it... ;)

[Kyle1420]

-{ Quote: "Thanks for your testing Kyle1420, but I meant Drive Sentry, here often called DS. :-[ No problem, I'll test it... ;)" }-

I did test drive sentry... I ran it under a disk shield.

[blacknight]

Ops... sorry, I didn't understand...So I also tried: I installed Comodo FW without his HIPS features, did you try CF with them ?

[Kyle1420]

-{ Quote: "Ops... sorry, I didn't understand...So I also tried: I installed Comodo FW without his HIPS features, did you try CF with them ?" }-

Yes, and the Av. Sorry about the misunderstanding :thumb:

[blacknight]

Thank for your kindness :thumb:

[rayoflight]

What av engine do they use?

[Edwin024]

their own. So far no good results with that one, by the way. Still beta and under developement.

[rayoflight]

Thank you:thumb:

[3xist]

Give this a year. :)

[Edwin024]

ok, I will try the product in September 2009 ;)

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "Give this a year. :)" }-

If the beta last a year. they will be working on the next version before the current version is released. ;D

[Kyle1420]

-{ Quote: "If the beta last a year. they will be working on the next version before the current version is released. ;D" }-

Haha! Well No, What Josh means is give it a year to get up with the big boys in terms of Detections :)

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "Haha! Well No, What Josh means is give it a year to get up with the big boys in terms of Detections :)" }-

Guess we will see what happens. ;)

[Bluesman]

New beta is out 3.5 Beta2

http://forums.comodo.com/beta_corner_cis/comodo_internet_security_35_beta2_released-t27339.0.html

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "New beta is out 3.5 Beta2

http://forums.comodo.com/beta_corner_cis/comodo_internet_security_35_beta2_released-t27339.0.html" }-

Looks like some nice fix's in that one. including one that people have been complaining about here.

[doktornotor]

-{ Quote: "Looks like some nice fix's in that one. including one that people have been complaining about here." }-

Indeed... Looks like they are seriously working on getting CIS production-ready now. :thumb:

[3xist]

Beta 2 is out.

What is new in this version?
--------------------------------------

NEW! Quarantine button is added to Realtime alerts and manual scanning results window
NEW! Default remove behavior is changed to default quarantine
FIXED! Memory leak causing CIS to consume high memory while scanning
FIXED! CIS might freeze the computer while virus database is being updated
FIXED! Exclusions do not work
FIXED! CIS crashes reported by the users
FIXED! Window Security Center recognizes CIS after uninstallation

there are many small fixes that we have not included here.
--------------------------------------

IMPROVED! ANTIVIRUS\Scan Profiles. Can't Edit Defaults. (Now brings up message).
IMPROVED! Quarantine/Remove/Ignore Alert real-time now default.
FIXED! GUI Glitches
FIXED! Disable Antivirus Logging does not work.
FIXED! CIS Crash's After Changing Configurations during scanning.
FIXED! In the Anitivirus events if you click more it opens in Firewall logs/ Today instead of Antivirus logs/ This Week

[Kayracc]

New beta runs much smoother, the memory leak with the scanner being fixed is a huge improvement, it's actually looks like a very old 1980's product

The defense+ is quite amazing i must say, accidently ran some malware outside my VM the other day, and defense+ nabbed it(the antivirus in comodo completely sucks), saved my ass ;)

With some time, comodo has some potential with this, def some potential

-Brian

[3xist]

-{ Quote: "New beta runs much smoother, the memory leak with the scanner being fixed is a huge improvement, it's actually looks like a very old 1980's product

The defense+ is quite amazing i must say, accidently ran some malware outside my VM the other day, and defense+ nabbed it(the antivirus in comodo completely sucks), saved my ass ;)

With some time, comodo has some potential with this, def some potential

-Brian" }-

Thanks for the feedback.

the AV will improve over time... This time in 2009 we should be competing with top AV's like Avira, NOD32, Kaspersky, etc. And yes Defense+ is an excellent addition, What the AV doesn't detect, D+ will prevent.

:)

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "Thanks for the feedback.

the AV will improve over time... This time in 2009 we should be competing with top AV's like Avira, NOD32, Kaspersky, etc. And yes Defense+ is an excellent addition, What the AV doesn't detect, D+ will prevent.

:)" }-

This was said once the last time that Comodo released its last AV. it did not live up to the hype.

We shall see what happens with this one but tell I see some results Ill stick with what I trust. ;)

[3xist]

-{ Quote: "This was said once the last time that Comodo released its last AV. it did not live up to the hype.

We shall see what happens with this one but tell I see some results Ill stick with what I trust. ;)" }-

Yep... Cool :)

[xan K]

can't wait to try the Firewall standalone. :)

[RejZoR]

-{ Quote: "Thanks for the feedback.

the AV will improve over time... This time in 2009 we should be competing with top AV's like Avira, NOD32, Kaspersky, etc. And yes Defense+ is an excellent addition, What the AV doesn't detect, D+ will prevent.

:)" }-

Well to be honest AV hardly detects anything but EICAR. And Defense+, well as much as it might be useful, it's dumb and pops up bilions of popups just when installing some crappy small program. Don't even try to install smething big.
You might click that till next christmas...
Competing with AVIRA and KAV ? I have yet to see that one. At pace at which AVIRA is evolving, Comodo will never catch it. Same goes to Kaspersky tech.
That would be kinda possible if time would stop for all the others...

[Rain_Train]

-{ Quote: "Well to be honest AV hardly detects anything but EICAR. And Defense+, well as much as it might be useful, it's dumb and pops up bilions of popups just when installing some crappy small program. Don't even try to install smething big.
You might click that till next christmas...
Competing with AVIRA and KAV ? I have yet to see that one. At pace at which AVIRA is evolving, Comodo will never catch it. Same goes to Kaspersky tech.
That would be kinda possible if time would stop for all the others..." }-
Well, 3xist said "the AV will improve over time...", so it really doesn't do much good to tell them that it "hardly detects anything", now does it? It's most likely not that good right now, but sheesh, give those guys a break; you didn't expect them to strike gold on their beta version, did you ;) ? If they're going to work on it, then we'll just have to wait and see, instead of making the same point over and over again... :ouch:

As for D+, I'm pretty sure you can change which notifications you want to see or not in the Advanced Settings: if you want COMODO to watch for disk access, keyboard access, etc. And it also does have a specific installation mode that suppresses popups; it works fine for me, maybe you should try it.

[RejZoR]

Whats the point of supressing popups? It's like disabling HIPS all together.

[DarkButterfly]

-{ Quote: "Well to be honest AV hardly detects anything but EICAR. And Defense+, well as much as it might be useful, it's dumb and pops up bilions of popups just when installing some crappy small program. Don't even try to install smething big.
You might click that till next christmas...
Competing with AVIRA and KAV ? I have yet to see that one. At pace at which AVIRA is evolving, Comodo will never catch it. Same goes to Kaspersky tech.
That would be kinda possible if time would stop for all the others..." }-

Well, then again, alot of users are complaining that Kaspersky gives them BSOD on reboot, after installing it. It gave me BSOD. And I tried 10 times. Gave up.

Honestly, Kaspersky is old news. It was great when there weren't there much AVs and all where bloatware. But not what happens nowadays.

Symantec learnt the lesson and version 2009 is light on resources, and on my tests I could run eset nod32 and norton 2009 without any problems. Both with AP on.

Don't take me wrong. I am not a fan o Symantec or anything else, as a matter of fact, but they sure improved their products performance and detection.

And talking about Comodo AV, of course it won't achive the top any time soon. But it sure can and will be on top, aside with others. Just give it time.

I mean, lets see Spybot and Ad-aware. When they first appeared, they were the best. Spybot was. Nowdays? Nah! SAS or Malwarebytes.

So, is it really impossible for Comodo AV to become one the best? I truly have no idea. Only time will tell. But unless you can predict the future, don't say it won't.

[RejZoR]

I'm in software stuff long enough to make pretty accurate predictions.
And so far i've predicted pretty much all malware trends and many evolutions in software developement.

[oliverjia]

The claim that you predicted right in the past does not mean you can predict right in the future. NO ONE can.

-{ Quote: "I'm in software stuff long enough to make pretty accurate predictions.
And so far i've predicted pretty much all malware trends and many evolutions in software developement." }-

[DarkButterfly]

-{ Quote: "I'm in software stuff long enough to make pretty accurate predictions.
And so far i've predicted pretty much all malware trends and many evolutions in software developement." }-

I prefer facts.

Fact: Comodo AV still has a long way to go.
Fact: No one can say it will or not become one of the best

Best regards

[RejZoR]

-{ Quote: "The claim that you predicted right in the past does not mean you can predict right in the future. NO ONE can." }-

You don't need to be psychic for that. They promised a can of whoop ass last time, they did it this time and i don'tt hink it'll change much in teh future.
They are simply too green to do anything like that. On the other hand Kaspersky, avast! or even latest chart master AVIRA have long years of work behind them in a very specialized field. You can bet on it that they can track and develop stuff much easier and also far more effective. And tests simply prove that.

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "I prefer facts.

Fact: Comodo AV still has a long way to go.
Fact: No one can say it will or not become one of the best

Best regards" }-

Honestly from what history has showen. when a company "Branches out" they be come Jack of all trades. Good at all, Master at none. but again only time will tell and I will get it a wile before I pass any judgment on it. let it at least get off the starting line before we black flag it. ;)

[DarkButterfly]

-{ Quote: "Honestly from what history has showen. when a company "Branches out" they be come Jack of all trades. Good at all, Master at none. but again only time will tell and I will get it a wile before I pass any judgment on it. let it at least get off the starting line before we black flag it. ;)" }-

Of course. That was precisely my point. We can't say if it will or not become one of the best. Only time will tell.

But taking in consideration that CFP is a great firewall, then I believe that Comodo AV has all to become great as well. But then again, only time will tell, and no one can predict if it will or not be. ;)

Best regards

[IceCube1010]

One thing I would like to mention. Comodo's firewall has come along way. When v3 was first released, it had many bugs. But they listen to their user base and now their free firewall is one of the best. I think the AV will go the same route. It really can't be compared to the big boys now but give it some time and it will evolve into one of the better ones.

Ice

[RejZoR]

Firewalls are not the same as antiviruses. You can make an excellent firewall within one year with good dev team. It's impossible to do that with antivirus.
Unless you have several years of work behind you already, backed up with good team of devs and analysts at the moment and good team of devs that work with existing team but focuses on new tech mainly.
Antiviruses require ongoing, constant and never ending support. Firewalls do not, except for new features, fixing bugs and here and there evolve the tech to handle the threats. The first problem was with CAVS 2.x. It never reached final stage. It was constant, very slowly updated beta. That was the first nail in its coffin. No Vista support. Another one. And so on and on...

[oliverjia]

I simply pointed out a truth----nobody can predict the future.
I am not even using the Comodo AV because it sucks at this moment.
However, what if they change their mind and borrow some sophisticated av engines to integrate into their CIS 6.0, several years from now? Then probably CIS will be top notch. Or maybe a genius joins Comodo and writes the most advanced av engine?
Nodoby knows what's going to happen in the future.


-{ Quote: "You don't need to be psychic for that. They promised a can of whoop ass last time, they did it this time and i don'tt hink it'll change much in teh future.
They are simply too green to do anything like that. On the other hand Kaspersky, avast! or even latest chart master AVIRA have long years of work behind them in a very specialized field. You can bet on it that they can track and develop stuff much easier and also far more effective. And tests simply prove that." }-

[SystemJunkie]

-{ Quote: "I am not even using the Comodo AV because it sucks at this moment. " }-;D ;D ;D

Unfortunately comodo has no compatibility to windows 2008 server, I wonder why? It is pretty similar to vista architecture. It´d be better if comodo would make up the firewall before starting a suite. There are a lot of bugs in latest 3.0.25 release that lead to total gui crashes.

[RejZoR]

-{ Quote: "I simply pointed out a truth----nobody can predict the future.
I am not even using the Comodo AV because it sucks at this moment.
However, what if they change their mind and borrow some sophisticated av engines to integrate into their CIS 6.0, several years from now? Then probably CIS will be top notch. Or maybe a genius joins Comodo and writes the most advanced av engine?
Nodoby knows what's going to happen in the future." }-

AV developement is not linear and never was. You can suck now and you can still suck 6 years later if you cannot evolve properly.
One man is not going to change much. We've seen that before...
No one knows for sure if you insist so much, but we can predict the future very accurate. And Comodo is not going to be top notch for quite some time... thats not because i have anythig against Comodo, thats the reality.

[doktornotor]

-{ Quote: "
Unfortunately comodo has no compatibility to windows 2008 server, I wonder why? It is pretty similar to vista architecture." }-

Nor do about 90% of other consumer-targeted products, nor are those 90% of consumer-targeted products compatible with Windows 2003 even. I wonder why? Perhaps because people don't use server operating systems at home? ::)

[Kayracc]

The comodo AV engine is not that bad really, i think they just don't have the manpower for new samples

It's detection is Okay, most of the 'big boys' i find it detects without issue, it missed a storm sample a while back when i first started testing it, and so far it misses alot of the 'random' crap that noone will ever encounter in their lives

And in reality where the AV leaves off, d+ does a good job, one unknown i accidently ran on my production computer instead of VM, d+ stopped

it actually failed to stop a mbr rootkit another person found recently, but hopefully they'll figure that out and fix it up

Point being, it could be alot worse

Not to mention the price tag of free, so complaining about how bad comodo is, is well, pointless, I mean really, all this talk about 'what they did before', and 'what they promise now', even if it becomes a complete FLOP, again it's free, no harm no foul

I've been running the new beta of CIS, it's quite light, not as light as say eset or avira, but light, detection needs some work, but i've been submitting some stuff around

and they also have a new sandbox at

http://camas.comodo.com/cgi-bin/submit

Where anything rated as suspicious gets sent over to the AV labs, going on 2days for some of my samples so far sent to that, really thinking its a manpower issue for them, hopefully that will change once CIS comes out of beta and doesn't require complete attention :)

SO summing this up

1. comodo is free

2. because it's free your complaints are really mute :P

[DarkButterfly]

Things take time to be done. Was anyone expecting CAV3 (part of CIS) to be the best now? I don't think so.

Do Comodo supporters expect it to be one day (it won't take a life time)? Of course.

Comodo provides free products for home users and in some extent to enterprises as well, so I guess the supporters of Comodo have all the reasons to help Comodo improve their software. That will mean that they will also be better protected than ever.

[IceCube1010]

Firewalls are not the same as antiviruses. You can make an excellent firewall within one year with good dev team. It's impossible to do that with antivirus.

Hard to say. It depends how hard they are working at becoming the best AV around.

It is also true the CAV 2 was not very good. I think what happened here is they got some talented people envolved like the BOClean guy and other developers from some hips type of program. Comodo took a step back and re-desgned their AV approach, that is why CAV 2 never came out of beta and why CAV 3 took so long to be released.

Bottom line, I found a few bugs with CAV 3 and posted at their site. If they can correct the ones that are out there, I might give it another spin.
The problem I have is a feel too safe with that little red umbrella.

Ice

[saberfox]

Comodo has made the same promises over and over again. If you ever browsed their forums, you can see for yourself what the CEO promised for version 3. And now that version 3 is here and sucks as bad as ever, the same promises are being made again. "Give us a year, we'll be among the top by then!"

With Comodo's ability to sucker fans into believing them, I think their staff should move into politics instead.

[Miyagi]

-{ Quote: "I think their staff should move into politics instead." }-
The one I know left years ago and did the right choice. :)

[SystemJunkie]

-{ Quote: ". I wonder why? Perhaps because people don't use server operating systems at home? " }- ;D Why not they are fast and well preconfigured.;D

-{ Quote: "With Comodo's ability to sucker fans into believing them, I think their staff should move into politics instead." }-;D ;D

-{ Quote: "I simply pointed out a truth----nobody can predict the future. " }-But you can see a tendency.

-{ Quote: "Firewalls are not the same as antiviruses. You can make an excellent firewall within one year with good dev team. It's impossible to do that with antivirus." }-Probably you are right.

-{ Quote: "it actually failed to stop a mbr rootkit another person found recently, but hopefully they'll figure that out and fix it up" }-Which one? If you don´t tell them how should they figure it out?

-{ Quote: "SO summing this up

1. comodo is free

2. because it's free your complaints are really mute " }-Think so.

[3xist]

The AV Team has grown incredibly between v2 and v3... Alot of good guys have joined. Comodo now have more ways of catching Malware. Melih (CEO, COMODO) Is giving him self 12 months to achieve the goal of becoming one of the best AV's (Like CIMA) and also a new "Malware Research Group" on the forums where Forum Users can join via Melih and ask to help out and find samples, etc.

I'm not saying this because I am a Mod on the forums, I seriously believe Melih & Comodo can achieve that goal. I'm staying positive. :)

[Kayracc]

-{ Quote: "Which one? If you don´t tell them how should they figure it out?
" }-

Unsure, i just find the stuff(the sample i gave them was discovered a short while back by someone else), i decided to see if comodo had it, they did not, i passed it along, a moderator ran it in there test system, and said they were going to have a look at it

My job was done long before i even posted about comodo missing the rootkit :)

And yes, since it's free, you lost nothing in using it, so really where do any of your complaints matter? :P

[doktornotor]

-{ Quote: ";D Why not they are fast and well preconfigured.;D
" }-

Well, they are much more expensive and they come at a price even if you get them for free (legally or illegally :P ) - you'll have compatibility issues with badly written apps, there are apps that completely refuse to install because they have allowed windows versions hardcoded in installer when there's no real reason why they shouldn't run (and mostly they do when you hack this out).

Then there are these AV/FW/HIPS etc. product that mostly are either really incompatible or vendors prefer to disallow running them on server OS since they want to charge you $$$$ for an enterprise-grade product instead of $$ for a home user product.

[RejZoR]

-{ Quote: "Comodo has made the same promises over and over again. If you ever browsed their forums, you can see for yourself what the CEO promised for version 3. And now that version 3 is here and sucks as bad as ever, the same promises are being made again. "Give us a year, we'll be among the top by then!"

With Comodo's ability to sucker fans into believing them, I think their staff should move into politics instead." }-

Actually they do make pretty good software. They should just stay away from antiviruses and focus on their firewall, registry cleaner, memory firewall and presumabli in developement, defrgamentation program.
For these programs you need some research and a good team of programmers and you can be the best of the best as there is no base requirement to achieve that. With antiviruses, you simply need loads of past work in order to achieve that.

[3xist]

-{ Quote: "Actually they do make pretty good software. They should just stay away from antiviruses and focus on their firewall, registry cleaner, memory firewall and presumabli in developement, defrgamentation program.
For these programs you need some research and a good team of programmers and you can be the best of the best as there is no base requirement to achieve that. With antiviruses, you simply need loads of past work in order to achieve that." }-

As Melih said in the forums before - Everything is being watched & being improved. Comodo has over 250 programmers, They are broken down into teams, etc (Therefore more products, etc), So basically Comodo wouldn't tackle something they can't handle - Everything takes time & patience... Just like how the Firewall is one of the best today.

[031]

-{ Quote: "Actually they do make pretty good software. They should just stay away from antiviruses and focus on their firewall, registry cleaner, memory firewall and presumabli in developement, defrgamentation program.
For these programs you need some research and a good team of programmers and you can be the best of the best as there is no base requirement to achieve that. With antiviruses, you simply need loads of past work in order to achieve that." }-

I totally agree. Comodo firewal was an instant hit as there were not many good free ones . In case of av the scenario is totally different. Even if they make a good one it will take years to make a user base . Until that happens they will have to keep up the good work and i highly doubt comodo has that capability. Simply they should stay away from this av thing and work on everything else.

[SystemJunkie]

-{ Quote: "Comodo has over 250 programmers," }-Wow that is a lot.

-{ Quote: "Well, they are much more expensive and they come at a price even if you get them for free (legally or illegally ) - you'll have compatibility issues with badly written apps, there are apps that completely refuse to install because they have allowed windows versions hardcoded in installer when there's no real reason why they shouldn't run (and mostly they do when you hack this out)." }-You can trial it for some months no need to buy, I was just curious how it feels. It is very fast and tcp/ip stack looks hardened in comparison to e.g. windows xp. (at least I saw no patches) I saw a lot of compat. issues therefore I quickly switched back to vista. ;D But e.g. latest Zone Alarm beta works on Win Server 2008 64 bit enterprise edition and Eset Sysinspector flagged SMSvcHost as potential harmful :wacko: Webwasher even thought it could be fileinfector.:wacko:

[IceCube1010]

Well, I took the plunge. I think it's a very nice security suite. It's very light on resources. The only issue I have with it comes from running a defrag. It slows down to a crawl. When I disable the realtime AV, it defrags just fine. I posted this at Comodo. I believe others were having the same issue. Other than that, I will test other apps etc and see how it runs.

Ice

[Victek123]

-{ Quote: "In case of av the scenario is totally different. Even if they make a good one it will take years to make a user base." }-

On that particular point I would disagree. I've experienced enough problems with all of the currently available free antivirus products that I can't recommend them. If Comodo succeeds in making a free AV that is more effective and compatible I would switch to it in a heartbeat.

[GES/POR]

-{ Quote: "I totally agree. Comodo firewal was an instant hit as there were not many good free ones . In case of av the scenario is totally different. Even if they make a good one it will take years to make a user base . Until that happens they will have to keep up the good work and i highly doubt comodo has that capability. Simply they should stay away from this av thing and work on everything else." }-

Instant hit?

[RejZoR]

-{ Quote: "On that particular point I would disagree. I've experienced enough problems with all of the currently available free antivirus products that I can't recommend them. If Comodo succeeds in making a free AV that is more effective and compatible I would switch to it in a heartbeat." }-

It's just funny that all 3 major free AV's are based on commercial versions.
avast! being the most similar to commercial one and other two leading right behind with few more obvious limitations. The fact is these 3 free ones are often far better than many other strictly commercial ones.

[031]

-{ Quote: "Instant hit?" }-

Version 2 made them famous overnight . Didn't you use that ?

[031]

-{ Quote: "On that particular point I would disagree. I've experienced enough problems with all of the currently available free antivirus products that I can't recommend them. If Comodo succeeds in making a free AV that is more effective and compatible I would switch to it in a heartbeat." }-

The new avg is little bit buggy but avira and avast is very much stable.Have been using them for about two years and never had any crush , bsod or any problem . Wish you had better luck with them :) :) :)

[GES/POR]

-{ Quote: "Version 2 made them famous overnight . Didn't you use that ?" }-

Ehhh not much at all no.

[Kyle1420]

This thread is really silly.. I mean seriously it's been in ----> BETA <---- for only a couple of weeks, Not even final.
And here we are with people claiming that it's going to suck, it's never going to amount to anything.

Give them some credit - there are people there working their arses off day and night to provide you with a free product. The least you can do is give them a decent chance to prove them selves.


Kyle

[danny9]

-{ Quote: "This thread is really silly.. I mean seriously it's been in ----> BETA <---- for only a couple of weeks, Not even final.
And here we are with people claiming that it's going to suck, it's never going to amount to anything.

Give them some credit - there are people there working their arses off day and night to provide you with a free product. The least you can do is give them a decent chance to prove them selves.


Kyle" }-

Agreed and well said. :)

[saberfox]

-{ Quote: "This thread is really silly.. I mean seriously it's been in ----> BETA <---- for only a couple of weeks, Not even final.
And here we are with people claiming that it's going to suck, it's never going to amount to anything." }-
An antivirus needs a good engine and extensive logistics support behind it to amount to anything. Coming out of beta isn't going to solve those problems. We're not talking about minor stuff like crashes, GUI glitches or whatnot here. We're talking about 6-7% detection rates. So what if it's still in beta? Is the final release going to fix that problem? If not, then there's no point in using the "it's a beta!" excuse.

[doktornotor]

-{ Quote: "We're talking about 6-7% detection rates." }-

Eh, no offense meant - but, would you kindly stop spreading total ********, thanks in advance. :thumbd: >:(

[saberfox]

-{ Quote: "Eh, no offense meant - but, would you kindly stop spreading total ********, thanks in advance. :thumbd: >:(" }-
I can't stop doing something I never started, and you're welcome.

[RejZoR]

-{ Quote: "This thread is really silly.. I mean seriously it's been in ----> BETA <---- for only a couple of weeks, Not even final.
And here we are with people claiming that it's going to suck, it's never going to amount to anything.

Give them some credit - there are people there working their arses off day and night to provide you with a free product. The least you can do is give them a decent chance to prove them selves.


Kyle" }-

Even though i don't have anything against them and it's great for them to provide software for free, ppl have to be placed on solid ground. Detection is horrible so use it on your own risk. Beta or not. It's a win-win situation for corporate environment if you don't want to spend money on paybale antivirus software (avast!, Avira and AVG cannot be used anywhere but for home usage). But for home users there is just many proven better solutions.

[3xist]

The AV Needs work...

Usability is improving & is being worked on... It's all being worked on. We don't need to start a war about it 2bh.

[Kyle1420]

-{ Quote: "The AV Needs work...

Usability is improving & is being worked on... It's all being worked on. We don't need to start a war about it 2bh." }-

Very much agreed, It's only a couple of weeks old. Of course it's detection is going to be low, Thank you captain obvious (Saberfox).

I think this disscusion should be on your first impressions of CIS and how the program is designed.

In my honest opinion I think that this program is a break through in designed using so little CPU and RAM. As Josh has mentioned before around 3mb of RAM. Thats 3 components.. FireWall\HIPS\AV. Crazy Crazy Crazy! :o

[Kayracc]

it's detection has actually suprised me a few times and really isn't THAT bad

it misses alot, but it actually gets alot that i figured it'd miss

and as far as 6-7% detection is retarded, It fairs decent on the actual samples i find(not just the stupid crap thats from some open directory and has no malware pointing to it, and i only have it from the open dir), i mean real stuff that is spreading OR has the potential to

Just to add, a few samples i've sent about 2days ago were detected just now(coulda been today, or coulda been yesterday i've been away from my comp a bit), so it's already faring better than most the other av's in adding samples :P

[dw2108]

-{ Quote: "The AV Needs work...

Usability is improving & is being worked on... It's all being worked on. We don't need to start a war about it 2bh." }-
Thanks, and wouldn't such derogation violate forum rules in the "this-vs-that"
sense?

Dave

[3xist]

-{ Quote: "Thanks, and wouldn't such derogation violate forum rules in the "this-vs-that"
sense?

Dave" }-

I suppose so.

Our policy at the Comodo Forums don't have a "this-vs-that" policy/regulation like here at Wilders has, Off course I try to be as fair as possible in that kind of scenario - And I off course I will always follow the rules at Wilders too. :) We are getting OT...

Anyway. About CIS, The only final words I have about it is:
a) the Detection is being worked on with new ways & technologies. You will see improvements in the long-run, As Melih & Comodo aren't here for an over night success.
b) Usability is being worked on. There is a long-term project for a Brand new GUI For CIS (yep...) Pretty neat! It's aimed for novice users. Anyway there are other things in the plans too Comodo are doing.

Some of you are probably thinking; "So? Long run!!?? Who Cares... It might not ever happen, or will NEVER happen", Well...we can all make assumptions, can't we? Well all know Avira, NOD32, Kaspersky, etc are the Top AV's right now, And some of us also know usability needs to be worked on in CIS/CFP 3. Comodo first gave Security back when CFP 3 was out officially back in November 20th 2007, Now the AV is in the picture (Yes... I know, It's only a beta & new AV... But as I said its being worked on) And now it's time for usability, Not to mention this is the first free security suite totally integrated to work together (eg CAV lives in cmdagent.exe) & It's totally customizable, Excellent freedom off choice (Go ahead and install stuff in diff combination's). It's just a matter of watching & waiting now... And seeing what Comodo can come up with, We have a very supportive Community, And all opinions & feedback are always appreciated.

We will see... :)

[saberfox]

-{ Quote: "Very much agreed, It's only a couple of weeks old. Of course it's detection is going to be low, Thank you captain obvious (Saberfox)." }-
Only "a couple of weeks" old? Version 2 has been out for years already. Do you see other AV products having their detection rates reset to zero each time they release a new version? No.

You're right, I'm being Captain Obvious, but only out of necessity since some people are making up some completely absurd excuses for its bad performance. And yes, from what I see, it really does score 6-7%, definitely less than 10% on average.

[Hiker]

-{ Quote: "Even though i don't have anything against them and it's great for them to provide software for free, ppl have to be placed on solid ground. Detection is horrible so use it on your own risk. Beta or not. It's a win-win situation for corporate environment if you don't want to spend money on paybale antivirus software (avast!, Avira and AVG cannot be used anywhere but for home usage). But for home users there is just many proven better solutions." }-

Am I missing something? Isn't beta software, test software and not for production machine? If I'm not mistaken there's a warning about this.

[doktornotor]

-{ Quote: "Only "a couple of weeks" old? Version 2 has been out for years already. Do you see other AV products having their detection rates reset to zero each time they release a new version? No.

You're right, I'm being Captain Obvious, but only out of necessity since some people are making up some completely absurd excuses for its bad performance. And yes, from what I see, it really does score 6-7%, definitely less than 10% on average." }-

Next time certain people will claim that CIS actually has negative detection rate and will infect your machine instead. ::) :argh:

Unless people have something on topic beyond totally ridiculous, groundless bashing of a product, I'd suggest this topic should be closed.

[saberfox]

-{ Quote: "Next time certain people will claim that CIS actually has negative detection rate and will infect your machine instead. ::) :argh:

Unless people have something on topic beyond totally ridiculous, groundless bashing of a product, I'd suggest this topic should be closed." }-
It's not ridiculous and groundless just because you wish it to be so. Do YOU have anything to provide other than weak sarcasm?

[Hiker]

-{ Quote: "It's not ridiculous and groundless just because you wish it to be so. Do YOU have anything to provide other than weak sarcasm?" }-

It's as ridiculous and groundless as this post of yours was.

-{ Quote: "Comodo has made the same promises over and over again. If you ever browsed their forums, you can see for yourself what the CEO promised for version 3. And now that version 3 is here and sucks as bad as ever, the same promises are being made again. "Give us a year, we'll be among the top by then!"

With Comodo's ability to sucker fans into believing them, I think their staff should move into politics instead. " }-

[saberfox]

In other words, not at all. ;)

[3xist]

Yes... CAV 2 was out for 2 yrs in beta...

CAV 3 was re built from Scratch.

[Kyle1420]

Um saberfox, Hiker is correct. You really don't know what your talking about.

CFP3 is virtually bullet proof, One of the best HIPS\Firewall Combinations (If not the best) to date. And test's prove this. Provide us with some ground on which you back this up.

EDIT: Sorry for my behaviour. Let's go back ontopic to CIS and first impressions of the BETA.

[saberfox]

-{ Quote: "Um saberfox, Hiker is correct. You really don't know what your talking about.

CFP3 is virtually bullet proof, One of the best HIPS\Firewall Combinations (If not the best) to date. And test's prove this. Provide us with some ground on which you back this up." }-
We were discussing about the AV since the last few posts, not the noisy and unintelligent HIPS that makes day-to-day PC usage a pain and in the end makes you do yourself what it should've done for you (i.e. protecting your PC).

[doktornotor]

-{ Quote: "We were discussing about the AV since the last few posts, not the noisy and unintelligent HIPS that makes day-to-day PC usage a pain and in the end makes you do yourself what it should've done for you (i.e. protecting your PC)." }-

s/discussing/bashing... How about you stick this thread to your ignore list, there's enough binary noise in cyberspace as it is, even without the utter junk you are posting here. :thumbd: :wacko:

[IceCube1010]

I tried it and liked it but I have taken it off until some of the issues are worked out. It is very light on resources and browsing speeds are great. No slow down on startup or shutdown. The defrag issue is still present. I know you can disable the realtime AV and defrag but I don't need to do this with Avira. I have posted in the Wishlist for over a year about changing the shield some way, to let you know your in installation mode or training mode etc... Same thing for shutting down the realtime AV shield. OA puts a little L when in learning mode. ZA has a game mode which changes the icon. CIS should work on some kind of visual message with the shield. I'm sure it's not that easy because it would have been done already.

Overall a nice free security suite that will get better with age.

Ice

[Kyle1420]

Hello IceCube, What happens if you put the Defrag program into the exclusion list?

[BlueZannetti]

To all:

You know the drill. Discuss the nominal thread topic in a civil fashion, not secondary issues. Failing that, this thread will be closed.

Blue

[3xist]

CIS will continue to improve guys. Remember, It's only a new product, Over the months, Many improvements will be noticeable. So let the "baby" take it's first steps...


Usability
Detection


All will be dramatically improved.

[IceCube1010]

Hey Kyle1420

The exclusion list did not work for my defrag program. I tried it with Smart Defrag and UltimateDefrag. It didn't seem to make a difference. I tried stopping/starting the defrag, rebooting etc.... after the exclusion was in place but it's still a no go.

Ice

[Kyle1420]

Ok well the developers are aware of this, Hopefully in the next version they will release a fix. I'll post back here when they do

[rogervernon]

I tried it for a few days and was very pleasantly surprised how good the total package was.
I have used Comodo FW on and off since early V2 and this is a dream by comparison!
As everyone has said - very light and not many pop-ups (in my case.)
The only worry is the AV component, which is the weakest part of the product.
I currently have paid Avira & paid Online Armor:- subs. for both run out in May next year. By then I would hope the AV component in Comodo CIS is more functional than it is now.
If reports suggest this IS so, I will have no hesitation in using Comodo CIS as my main protection.
In the meantime I will keep an eye on it and test it on my PC from time to time.
Good work, so far, I think.

[xan K]

maybe a dumb question, but is there really a v3.5 Firewall planned for release?

[3xist]

-{ Quote: "maybe a dumb question, but is there really a v3.5 Firewall planned for release?" }-


Hello. :)

CIS is the v3.5 Release. Firewall & AV is in CIS, You can have either Firewall, CAV or CIS.

I don't know about the "other" stand a lone firewall though... time will tell. But this is a 3.5 Release.

Josh

[xan K]

thank you. yeah, I was actually referring to the "standalone" firewall. :)

[3xist]

I know...

It's a mystery. At some point, the Comodo Antivirus/Spyware board will be gone as soon as enough users move from CAV 2 to CIS (Current CAV 2 users), Since CIS Already has stand a lone CAV 3 on installation - But so does the Firewall - Last time I heard from Melih was the Firewall will still be available as it is today, and still be maintained.

Hopefully when CIS Final is out - the stand a lone Firewall will be updated as well with all the fixes included in CIS, But I am not too sure.

[EricEgan]

What will happen in the near future is this....

CIS will be publicly released.

When installing CIS you have the option to either, go with the Stand Alone Firewall or either goe with the stand alone antivirus or go with both (Both being CIS). Further down the line the developent will integrate several other Comodo security products of which you will have the option whether or not you want to include them in the installation.

You will also be able to upgrade the product adding components as they are released.

I suspect there will still be the stand alone version released but you would probably have to do a fresh installation if you decided at a later date to go the CIS route.

(not posted in her for nearly 6 months but had to put something on this)

E

[3xist]

CIS 3.5 Beta 3 is out.

No change log, Just many small fixes...

Josh

[Kyle1420]

RC 2 is out.

[gery]

firewall doesn't want to install on my laptop and i don't know what to do to install it

[Kyle1420]

-{ Quote: "firewall doesn't want to install on my laptop and i don't know what to do to install it" }-
Please make a topic on www.forums.comodo.com so we can better help you and not spam this thread.

[Kyle1420]

RC 2 has been released, about a week ago.. lol.

[IceCube1010]

I'm testing it now and it is running great. The defrag issue is still there but it's not quite as bad as before when the cmdagent was using alot of the cpu on a defrag. Overall it's getting better on each release. Comodo and it's user base should pat themselves on the back. The product is getting better.

Ice

[Kyle1420]

-{ Quote: "I'm testing it now and it is running great. The defrag issue is still there but it's not quite as bad as before when the cmdagent was using alot of the cpu on a defrag. Overall it's getting better on each release. Comodo and it's user base should pat themselves on the back. The product is getting better.

Ice" }-
thank you for the kind review

[demoneye]

CIS is great if u disable its useless AV :)
i compare cis/cfp to online armor , i can testify that comodo much lighter !
CIS is great <free> FW! , its got his rank on the market and i also read i think in here they improve the FW in the CIS RC2?? anyone can aprove it?

cheers

[Fuzzfas]

Hi, is there an ETA for the final release of CIS?

Thanks

[Kyle1420]

Hi, It's all very much in the air. It will be released as soon as possible! This is my own personal guess - About 2 weeks or so, Don't hold me to it. I am saying this because comodo Has been releasing a new beta\ RC about every week or so.. and there arent many bugs left (I personally Have only encounted a memory leak *It was fixed in the next update 3 days later* and a few gui bugs that have been fixed)

Yes! It's alot lighter, Check out the memory usage :) around 3mb with all 3 components :)

Yes I can understand that some of you arent comfortable with the antivirus part, That's ok - everybody should know it's far from finished. The thing is that it has a great team behind it, and alot of people submitting malware keep them comming guys! :)
"2gb of malware submitted by users in 24 hours"
http://forums.comodo.com/empty-t27987.0.html

A good option in CIS is the ability to uninstall\modify\upgrade modules during installation and once it's installed (provided that you keep the installer program somewhere) So you can mix and match the components together for what suits your needs currently the modules are - Firewall, Defense+, CAVS3.

[Hiker]

-{ Quote: "A good option in CIS is the ability to uninstall\modify\upgrade modules during installation and once it's installed (provided that you keep the installer program somewhere) So you can mix and match the components together for what suits your needs currently the modules are - Firewall, Defense+, CAVS3." }-

Kyle, I take it you can but to be sure, will you be able to export present CFP settings and import them to CIS?

Also, what's the best way to go about "upgrading" to CIS?

[Kyle1420]

-{ Quote: "Kyle, I take it you can but to be sure, will you be able to export present CFP settings and import them to CIS?

Also, what's the best way to go about "upgrading" to CIS?" }-

Yes you can import your old configurations,
Best way would probably be to Export your profile somewhere, uninstall CFP3, install CIS + import profile.

Hope tihs is what your looking for :)

[Kyle1420]

-{ Quote: "Hi, is there an ETA for the final release of CIS?

Thanks" }-

It's out :)

Comodo has just released Comodo Internet Security (No Longer in Beta)
http://forums.comodo.com/feedbackcommentsannouncementsnews_cis/comodo_internet_security_3553896424_released-t28719.0.html

[demoneye]

does COMODO Internet Security 3.5.53896.424 got any firewall or D+ improvement?

cheers

[Fuzzfas]

@ Kyle1420

Thanks for the notice! :thumb:


-{ Quote: "does COMODO Internet Security 3.5.53896.424 got any firewall or D+ improvement?

cheers" }-

Yes.

Whats New?
=======================
NEW! COMODO Internet Security: Seamlessly integrated Firewall, Antivirus and HIPS products
IMPROVED! System Resource Usage is improved
IMPROVED! Default security policies are optimized to protect new COM interfaces/registry keys/files
IMPROVED! Summary section now has links to appropriate sections
FIXED! Wrong application name is detected by firewall
FIXED! Firewall blocks fragmented packets even if it is disabled
FIXED! There are many small fixes/improvements addressed in this release

[danny9]

-{ Quote: "It's out :)

Comodo has just released Comodo Internet Security (No Longer in Beta)
http://forums.comodo.com/feedbackcommentsannouncementsnews_cis/comodo_internet_security_3553896424_released-t28719.0.html" }-

Thanks Kyle!
Downloading it now. :)

[clocks]

The last 1-2 months I use this plus Threatfire on all my PCs. Combo seems to work well.

[Kyle1420]

-{ Quote: "The last 1-2 months I use this plus Threatfire on all my PCs. Combo seems to work well." }-
Theres no need to use both of them.. Use one or the other :)

[clocks]

-{ Quote: "Theres no need to use both of them.. Use one or the other :)" }-

Until I see some tests showing CIS's detection rates, I prefer the extra protection of TF. They are both really low with Ram usage, so I figure it can't hurt.

[Kyle1420]

-{ Quote: "Until I see some tests showing CIS's detection rates, I prefer the extra protection of TF. They are both really low with Ram usage, so I figure it can't hurt." }-

I'm reffering to Defense+, Not the av component. ThreatFire is a Behavoiral HIPS.
If your going to look at threatfires ratings on applications and listen to them, you might aswell not use D+ and use just threatfire. Defense+ is more "full blown" however theatfire is more user friendly!

[RejZoR]

Well, HIPS are stupid, behavior detectors are not.

[aigle]

-{ Quote: "
A good option in CIS is the ability to uninstall\modify\upgrade modules during installation and once it's installed (provided that you keep the installer program somewhere)." }- U can do it even without that.

[3xist]

This is the offical major update to COMODO Firewall Pro 3.0.25.378, Where you can install the Antivirus or Firewall using the same setup.

Many... MANY... fixes and improvements. Reduced Memory Usage! Thats really good, especially when the AV was added, and the AV is VERY Fast on-access, by the way it's CAV 3. Even though detection rates are still not up to prime time yet, but will get there.

Hope everyone enjoys this First Free Securiy Suite! :) Many months of hard work, This is only the beginning... (Melih).

[Fuzzfas]

First i installed CIS with the AV to see how it is. Seemed to run fine, very low resource usage and no conflict even with Twister AV on. I noticed the D+ settings are reduced out of the box, but one can check all boxes again.

At the end i uninstalled and made a clean reinstallation of the firewall only. I don't think i need the av part yet. With the firewall only you no longer get the malware on demand scanner. But, if you install the AV too, you can disable resident scanner of CAVS, so in all effects you have the scanner on demand.

Given the strength of D+, even if the AV isn't top right now, this sure is an impressive package and for experienced HIPS users, i think the suite is more than enough and all... for free!

I also have the feeling that the firewall is a tad snappier now. It seems a really good version. :thumb:

P.S: During installation of firewall with D+, now there are 2 new voices "Optimal" and "Maximum" security. The maximum is the one with alla D+ options enabled.

[IceCube1010]

Using this nice security package with Geswall and its working out very well. Great job to the Comodo team!

Ice

[Kyle1420]

-{ Quote: "Well, HIPS are stupid, behavior detectors are not." }-
HIPS are only stupid if the user behind it doesn't know what to do.


@Ice;

Me too! I'm using Geswall beside CIS and loving it.. Feels light and secure huh? :)
Will be good when detections raise

EDIT:: Haha just looked at your signature. My setup is exactly the same.. Even MBAM. I don't use anything else.. Those 3 are great together :)

[Fuzzfas]

My only complaint with this version is that at startup, it wants to establish https connection (port 443) to Comodo HQ in GB, although i have unchecked every box about automatic update, file submission etc.

But is is a minor annoyance.

[IceCube1010]

-{ Quote: "HIPS are only stupid if the user behind it doesn't know what to do.


@Ice;

Me too! I'm using Geswall beside CIS and loving it.. Feels light and secure huh? :)
Will be good when detections raise

EDIT:: Haha just looked at your signature. My setup is exactly the same.. Even MBAM. I don't use anything else.. Those 3 are great together :)" }-

Could this be the Golden Bullet they are talking about? :argh:

Ice

[Legendkiller]

any word on the capabilities of its AV&AS engine?

[gery]

Not yet for the recent release but it is still low for prime AV.The FW is a lot better tho.

[3xist]

AV is still young, But Defense+ is there for prevention based antimalware.

Josh

[erreale]

-{ Quote: "Not yet for the recent release but it is still low for prime AV.The FW is a lot better tho." }-

It is only a matter of time. If Comodo will produce its antivirus with the same quality of firewall and hips, also the antivirus product will become the reference.

[gery]

i doubt it but may it be true

[Kyle1420]

-{ Quote: "i doubt it but may it be true" }-
Hehe, Don't spit in the water, You may have to drink it :P
I heard about 2 weeks ago that they have 400 000+ Unique signatures (Not Including Varients), And recently Melih said that they have 2m samples waiting to be added

[gery]

-{ Quote: "Hehe, Don't spit in the water, You may have to drink it :P
I heard about 2 weeks ago that they have 400 000+ Unique signatures (Not Including Varients), And recently Melih said that they have 2m samples waiting to be added" }-
please select your way of expressing your excitement the rest is ok. don't have to be so defensive

[jiskefet]

Do you guys install the safesurf toolbar ? and when you don't do you miss a big thing ???

Cause i don't like toolbars ;D

[aigle]

I hate it and never installed. Never miss any thing.

[doktornotor]

-{ Quote: "Do you guys install the safesurf toolbar ?" }-

No, I never install any toolbars...

[jiskefet]

Okay, I've installed CIS (without safesurf/toolbar) it looks nice, i give it a try ;D

[demoneye]

CIS realy ownz! i try almost all HIPS around... my favorite is CIS not coz it only free and give so much , also it is user friendly and easy to learn (amoung light usages ...etc)

comodo team realy give the ppl not only the feel they ownz this filed also they give a WESOME score in all tests i was watching!

way 2 go! keep the good work , i am sure the AV will be the best sooner or later!! so AVIRE , NOD32 , KASPERSKY watch OUT!! ;D

cheers:thumb:

[Kyle1420]

-{ Quote: "CIS realy ownz! i try almost all HIPS around... my favorite is CIS not coz it only free and give so much , also it is user friendly and easy to learn (amoung light usages ...etc)

comodo team realy give the ppl not only the feel they ownz this filed also they give a WESOME score in all tests i was watching!

way 2 go! keep the good work , i am sure the AV will be the best sooner or later!! so AVIRE , NOD32 , KASPERSKY watch OUT!! ;D

cheers:thumb:" }-

I assume that you are reffering to the SSupdaters test?, Melih says the reason they have a nice score for this is because They have no problem getting the new malware, There are alot of people submitting them. It's the old malware that they score low on, But in the same light - most of this old malware is not active anymore.
Just know that Comodo has a long way to go untill it can compete with Kaspersky\avira etc. There is no doubt that they catch (Overall) more malware than comodo because they have a much larger database.

I see that there are some hostilities towards SSupdate so let's please not drive towards any future discussions on this as I don't want this thread locked :thumb:

[jiskefet]

Something strange, I pressed several times on update, it updates but not really
virus database is remains the same?? and i dont think they update 3 times a minute ;D


I've also posted on their forum.

[demoneye]

-{ Quote: "I assume that you are reffering to the SSupdaters test?, Melih says the reason they have a nice score for this is because They have no problem getting the new malware, There are alot of people submitting them. It's the old malware that they score low on, But in the same light - most of this old malware is not active anymore.
Just know that Comodo has a long way to go untill it can compete with Kaspersky\avira etc. There is no doubt that they catch (Overall) more malware than comodo because they have a much larger database.

I see that there are some hostilities towards SSupdate so let's please not drive towards any future discussions on this as I don't want this thread locked :thumb:" }-

i talk on this mate http://www.matousec.com/projects/firewall-challenge/

its score awesome!! more than the paid ones lol!!! so why to buy firewall if the top scorres is free? :)

[doktornotor]

BTW, 3.5.54375.427 update is out... (http://forums.comodo.com/feedbackcommentsannouncementsnews_cis/fyi_comodo_internet_security_3554375427_update-t29095.0.html)

[Baserk]

-{ Quote: "I assume that you are reffering to the SSupdaters test?, Melih says the reason they have a nice score for this is because They have no problem getting the new malware, There are alot of people submitting them. It's the old malware that they score low on, But in the same light - most of this old malware is not active anymore.
Just know that Comodo has a long way to go untill it can compete with Kaspersky\avira etc. There is no doubt that they catch (Overall) more malware than comodo because they have a much larger database." }-

Kyle, you being a member of Comodo's Malware research group, what's your stand on Melih's strategy (https://forums.comodo.com/general_discussion_off_topic_anything_and_everything/open_letter_to_andreas_clementi_httpwwwavcomparativesorg-t27537.0.html) in trying to bully Andreas Clementi into surrendering their malware sample set?
As you write "But in the same light - most of this old malware is not active anymore" it seems the Comodo top dog is willing to go nasty in his approach to obtain old malware samples, active or not...
Cheers.

[demoneye]

-{ Quote: "BTW, 3.5.54375.427 update is out... (http://forums.comodo.com/feedbackcommentsannouncementsnews_cis/fyi_comodo_internet_security_3554375427_update-t29095.0.html)" }-

10x for the info mate , its autoupdated my :thumb:

[Kayracc]

-{ Quote: "Something strange, I pressed several times on update, it updates but not really
virus database is remains the same?? and i dont think they update 3 times a minute ;D


I've also posted on their forum." }-

did you upgrade from RC2?, if so you need to uninstall, and re-install the final

it was a bug

[blacknight]

Someone can say to me an HIPS which works con CIS ? I know that it had HIPS functions, but I want an indipendent HIPS. SSM unlikely is not compatible, something else free ?

[doktornotor]

-{ Quote: "Someone can say to me an HIPS which works con CIS ? I know that it had HIPS functions, but I want an indipendent HIPS. SSM unlikely is not compatible, something else free ?" }-

Some people claim to run Threatfire w/ Comodo; once again, running two HIPS applications is not a good idea as you've noted w/ SSM.

[blacknight]

-{ Quote: "Some people claim to run Threatfire w/ Comodo; once again, running two HIPS applications is not a good idea as you've noted w/ SSM." }-


Sure, but my idea is to use an indipendent HIPS and to disable the hips features of CIS, naturally. Threatfire: I tried it when it was Cyberhawk, but it was a behaviour monitoring software, not a complete HIPS. Is now changed ?

[jiskefet]

-{ Quote: "did you upgrade from RC2?, if so you need to uninstall, and re-install the final

it was a bug" }-

Never used beta, CIS updated manualy when i pressed on it but when i pressed few seconds later, as you can see, it ''updated'' again and aigain ???

look (virus database is still 477 same as yesterday.)

[Kayracc]

Oh i see, thats just the time it was last 'run' i think, so your prob safe

mine says 'is up to date' when it doesn't need update not sure about yours

[jiskefet]

Yes i think so it just say it updated, but in real it just looked for an update? i think.

I pressed on it and ''updated'' the time;D

[doktornotor]

-{ Quote: "
Sure, but my idea is to use an indipendent HIPS and to disable the hips features of CIS, naturally." }-

Maybe you should just look elsewhere for your firewall as well in that case, will make things a lot easier. I was recommending something might have a reasonable chance of running with CFP/D+ and not getting you instant BSOD right after install.

[blacknight]

Yes, can you advise to me some sw ? ;)

[blacknight]

-{ Quote: "Someone can say to me an HIPS which works con CIS ? I know that it had HIPS functions, but I want an indipendent HIPS. SSM unlikely is not compatible, something else free ?" }-


Sorry, I must adjust. I've believed that CIS and SSM were not compatible, because CIS said me it during his installing process. But now I tried to complete all the same the CIS install: SSM and CIS run perfectly together.

[Kyle1420]

-{ Quote: "Kyle, you being a member of Comodo's Malware research group, what's your stand on Melih's strategy (https://forums.comodo.com/general_discussion_off_topic_anything_and_everything/open_letter_to_andreas_clementi_httpwwwavcomparativesorg-t27537.0.html) in trying to bully Andreas Clementi into surrendering their malware sample set?
As you write "But in the same light - most of this old malware is not active anymore" it seems the Comodo top dog is willing to go nasty in his approach to obtain old malware samples, active or not...
Cheers." }-

Hmm, Well first off this is just my opinion.

Hard question, I think that Melih doesn't agree with how the testing and antivirus industry is and wants to push for a change, set standards.
He's pushing Andrea's because he wants to help users, The more 'Active' Samples the better.

Course we all know that if\when Comodo get their hands on the sample set that they would only use it for good.

I wouldn't say that Melih is being "Nasty" Would more say that he is being Aggressive, He knows what his goals are and is going to push the industry towards it.

I hope this answers your question.. Any more, Feel free to ask.

[IceCube1010]

Does anyone have a solution to the AV definition update problem? The program is working great except I have to manually update the AV definitions. I have posted this over at Comodo and will report back if I hear anything. I have tried the registry change and other changes but it still won't update on its own.

Ice

[jiskefet]

Its only auto updating after 24 hour or restart, i think.

[3xist]

http://forums.comodo.com/install_setup_configuration_faq/i_cant_get_virus_updates_for_people_who_upgraded_from_rc2_latest_release-t29125.0.html;new#new

Try this.

[IceCube1010]

-{ Quote: "http://forums.comodo.com/install_setup_configuration_faq/i_cant_get_virus_updates_for_people_who_upgraded_from_rc2_latest_release-t29125.0.html;new#new

Try this." }-

Yep that fixed it, but make sure you do it for all the configurations /0/1/2/3 etc.

Ice

[Makav3l1]

Running CIS for a little while. I like it and it may make me ditch avira free for more consolidated protection.

[firzen771]

has there been any tests on CIS or Comodo AV yet?

[Baserk]

-{ Quote: "Hmm, Well first off this is just my opinion...
...I hope this answers your question.. Any more, Feel free to ask." }-

Thanks Kyle,

Although I still have my thoughts about Melih's approach, I appreciate your answer.
Cheers.

[IceCube1010]

Just a thought. Since CIS is out of beta, maybe a new thread should be started for COMODO Internet Security 3.5 Released!

Ice

[Legendkiller]

for those interested Pc-Mag's editor has slammed comodo's AV/AS,esp. its capabilty of removing threats, and also said that it impacts the performance of system......
PCMAG (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2333814,00.asp)

[emperordarius]

-{ Quote: "for those interested Pc-Mag's editor has slammed comodo's AV/AS,esp. its capabilty of removing threats, and also said that it impacts the performance of system......
PCMAG (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2333814,00.asp)" }-

How come I'm not surprised?::)
Besides joking, Comodo's av is still young. Malware detection in the "test" was 5.9 and removal 5.7. I think that after a few months that will raise up.

[danny9]

-{ Quote: "for those interested Pc-Mag's editor has slammed comodo's AV/AS,esp. its capabilty of removing threats, and also said that it impacts the performance of system......
PCMAG (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2333814,00.asp)" }-

Running CIS on my laptop.
PC mag must be smoking something in that pipe of theirs again.
No evidence at all of any impact on the performance system.
I think it runs better. 8)

[andyman35]

-{ Quote: "How come I'm not surprised?::)
Besides joking, Comodo's av is still young. Malware detection in the "test" was 5.9 and removal 5.7. I think that after a few months that will raise up." }-

That'll be a certainty if the afore-mentioned 2 million samples are added ;)

[blacknight]

-{ Quote: "Running CIS on my laptop.
PC mag must be smoking something in that pipe of theirs again.
No evidence at all of any impact on the performance system.
I think it runs better. 8)" }-


I confirm for the CIS performance: very light. I'm a bit worried for the detection test, also if generally I don't love av's test.....but " luckily " I use it with SSM ;D 8)

[romance520]

;)
Aha...
Looking forward to it...

[romance520]

I am using Comodo FW PRO...
Feeling is so good...

[Criss]

-{ Quote: "I am using Comodo FW PRO...
Feeling is so good..." }-


Maybe u should try comodo IS 3.5 without the antivirus. 8)
I think its better.:thumb:

[emperordarius]

-{ Quote: "Maybe u should try comodo IS 3.5 without the antivirus. 8)
I think its better.:thumb:" }-

I confirm it, at least it makes less pop ups.

[Kas]

I have Windows XP and HAD COMODO PRO = Firewall + Anti-Virus.

YES ! Marvelous. When the 3.5 update panel came on screen advising me of it, I said YES, nothing else was asked of me. Sat back, it took some time while my COMODO PRO was "updated". Re-boot, then back on screen.

When opened my COMODO, I found my PRO version had gone ! Together with my Anti-Virus, scanning and quarantine etc. All I had left staring at me was COMODO FIREWALL ! Luckily, my personal settings (hundreds of them) on the Computer and Network Security pages were still unchanged.

I contacted COMODO, got an immediate reply, which asked me to uninstall and download COMODO PRO on a clean re-boot with all the problems a clean re-boot has.

I never did this and resolved my problem by sheer suck-it-and-see. It worked 100%.

CAUSE & SOLUTION
===============
CAUSE ;
THE COMODO CIS 3.5.54375.427 update for my COMODO PRO is flawed.
It is the new CIS version, BUT it only installs the FIREWALL.

SOLUTION ;
Download from the COMODO site their COMODO INTERNET SECURITY - CIS -3.5.54375.427. It is still FREE.
Choose RUN. It downloads and then tells you that this system is already installed, what do you want to do ?

Choose ADD/REMOVE. When the Wizard comes up, ONLY the FIREWALL box has been checked ! This is obviously where COMODO went wrong with their update - BOTH BOXES SHOULD BE CHECKED.
If left, you only get the FIREWALL.

Check the ANTI-VIRUS box as well on the Wizard, uncheck the 3 items at the bottom - toolbar etc. unless you want them and GO !
This installing only takes a minute or so, then re-boot.

When back on screen, open COMODO. You now have COMODO INTERNET SECURITY - CIS - 3.5.54375.427 complete instead of only the FIREWALL section.
The ANTI-VIRUS, scanning, quarantine etc. are now all back and your personal data on the Security pages is still OK.

Problem solved. I only wish COMODO had checked the ANTI-VIRUS box on THEIR OWN AUTOMATIC UPDATE. It would have saved me and many others a lot of trouble.