Norton Antivirus 2009 and Norton Internet Securithy 2009 final versons released

[Cloudcroft]

I checked the beta forums, and found the final versions have been released. They're available for download from the Symantec online store.

[Ade 1]

Good find! I checked earlier and wasn't on. Downloading trial of NIS2009 now. Very tempted to try it out. I tried the last beta on my laptop and was very impressed as to how light it ran, often it updated etc.

[Cloudcroft]

Ade 1, I've downloaded NIS 2009 and the Add-on Pack, but I'm going to image the hard drive before starting installation....just to be safe. ;D

[Ade 1]

-{ Quote: "Ade 1, I've downloaded NIS 2009 and the Add-on Pack, but I'm going to image the hard drive before starting installation....just to be safe. ;D" }-

Well I've just installed and it's running light as a feather on my system. I had a subscription to NIS2008 but it runs out on the 23rd of Sept - a day before the trial expires!

[Zombini]

Just upgraded here as well on Vista 32-bit. Smooth as silk, it automatically transferred over all my Log-in info and credit card info from the Identity safe feature.

The system is fast!

Love the speed of LiveUpdate
Love the speed of the Scan
Love the new UI
Love the constant def updates every 5-10 minutes. With hourly updates, Kaspersky sucks big time.

[Durad]

1 good feedback for latest Norton product from me.

Its very light, installed and updated for less than 2 minutes!

[Ade 1]

It seems to have only 2 services running (and before anyone asks how much ram it was about 30mb last time I looked) but there's no startup item been added which I've never known before. I too also like the pulse update feature. Just gonna perform a full scan now. By the way, does anyone know what 'Microsoft Office Automatic Scan' is under settings? It's off by default but do I presume it scans Office documents - a feature that was turned off by default also in NIS2008.

[tsilo]

Great product... ever!

[vijayind]

-{ Quote: "It seems to have only 2 services running (and before anyone asks how much ram it was about 30mb last time I looked) but there's no startup item been added which I've never known before. I too also like the pulse update feature. Just gonna perform a full scan now. By the way, does anyone know what 'Microsoft Office Automatic Scan' is under settings? It's off by default but do I presume it scans Office documents - a feature that was turned off by default also in NIS2008." }-
'Microsoft Office Automatic Scan' will scan files prior to opening in MS Office 2000 onwards.
It only works with MS Office products and so, if you have say OpenOffice, it be turned off.

[mvdu]

Let's not make this another Norton vs. Kaspersky thing. I'm still not a fan of Norton and discovery point is most important with updates. That said, when I briefly tried the beta, it was ok except for allowing too much with the firewall by default.

[Ade 1]

-{ Quote: "Let's not make this another Norton vs. Kaspersky thing. I'm still not a fan of Norton and discovery point is most important with updates. That said, when I briefly tried the beta, it was ok except for allowing too much with the firewall by default." }-

So who has started to make it for you to make your comment?

[rollers]

I have a licence for the 2008 IS, does anyone know if I can run the 2009 on this licence?
Thanks

[proactivelover]

norton 2009 product's rock's

[mvdu]

Zombini again. I'm not getting into it more.

[BrendanK.]

-{ Quote: "I have a licence for the 2008 IS, does anyone know if I can run the 2009 on this licence?
Thanks" }-

Yeah you can. I am right now :)

[Edwin024]

Me too...and...WOW.... It looks to be a real great program!

[ankupan]

Hi,

I want to disable this option "Scan outgoing emails"

But I am doing this, than I am getting Attention on main window.

Is it possible to ignore this ? so I can disable this option and my norton ca show me Secure, rather than unsafe.


I think NIS 2008 was having ignore option.

[lodore]

il see how the final is.
i quite liked the beta.
shame about it disabling windows defender=(
windows defender in advanced mode has some nice features.

the pulse updates are very regular

[Medank]

wow i remember some year ago everybody hated Norton and complained about it and now everybody loves it, since the Development of Symantec started to care out what people customers have to say.

They made it so norton will not slow down the pc anymore as old version like 2002 - 2007 and they made a strong heur SONAR, and now everybody want's Symantec - Norton :)

How is the SONAR in this new version 2009? is it strong heur or ?

[rollers]

-{ Quote: "I have a licence for the 2008 IS, does anyone know if I can run the 2009 on this licence?
Thanks" }-

Thanks for the answers guys. I have installed..............and wow, this is the suite I have been searching for and so far not found.
Thank goodness symantec eventually listened to their customers. Perhaps others should take note now.
Rollers

[Bunkhouse Buck]

The detractors of Norton will be silenced. The final version of NIS is incredibly light as it was during my beta testing. With attempts to improve heuristics (which was my major request) it remains to be seen if they are up to par with Avira. If they are, this is the one of the finest new AV products in the last ten years.:thumb:

[the_sly_dog]

Wow just installed it and im loving it.. symantec have created a masterpiece smooth,light,fast, even found something my other av had missed :thumb: :thumb:
I might even switch all my pc to this

[Ade 1]

I'm sure it won't be long before the Norton bashers start to appear here.....I only suggest to them to either try this first and then post or not to post at all! Still can't believe how light this is.

[lodore]

-{ Quote: "I'm sure it won't be long before the Norton bashers start to appear here.....I only suggest to them to either try this first and then post or not to post at all! Still can't believe how light this is." }-
LOL i used to be a norton basher but this version has changed my opinion.
pulse updates every 5mins, light as a feather and not annoying. plus doesnt use much disc space.
23mins full scan on my pc.

im guessing all symantec av products will have pulse updates?
like server and business versions?
if so many mail boxes should be better protected.

im hoping microsoft can do the same thing for windows 7. aka vista without the bloat and slowness.

[Bunkhouse Buck]

-{ Quote: "I'm sure it won't be long before the Norton bashers start to appear here.....I only suggest to them to either try this first and then post or not to post at all! Still can't believe how light this is." }-

Yes and the updates are sometimes minutes apart. No more waiting for a day to get updates- you get them literally as they are coded every few minutes.

[ankupan]

I got option to ignore it, it is running great too.

NIS 2009 :thumb: :) ;)


-{ Quote: "Hi,

I want to disable this option "Scan outgoing emails"

But I am doing this, than I am getting Attention on main window.

Is it possible to ignore this ? so I can disable this option and my norton ca show me Secure, rather than unsafe.


I think NIS 2008 was having ignore option." }-

[vijayind]

-{ Quote: "I'm sure it won't be long before the Norton bashers start to appear here.....I only suggest to them to either try this first and then post or not to post at all! Still can't believe how light this is." }-
I hate NORTON !!!
It has a transparent GUI .... yuck !! :thumbd:
And taking a page from PCMag's books .... It has lousy Parental Control :thumbd:

That's it, NORTON 2009 is doomed :P

( That's pretty much what I could find .... Norton 2009 is great. If they could just add a expert mode which would display more working details and give more control. I would be left speech-less... )

[Edwin024]

The whole idea of Norton is to give people (all who want..) a hassle free security. So no need for tweaking and twisting. Those who want that have more than enough other options to enjoy on the market ;)

[Atomic_Ed]

-{ Quote: "The whole idea of Norton is to give people (all who want..) a hassle free security. So no need for tweaking and twisting. Those who want that have more than enough other options to enjoy on the market ;)" }-
The biggest hassle I exerienced with Norton's in the past was thier ridiculous activation scheme. If I reloaded my PC too many times they invalidated my valid license so my software would not function. I spent a week arguing with them over this and even thier support people agreed it was a crazy policy but were powerless to help in any way. I finally recieved a refund afer counteless hours of effort across various worldwide centers.

Have they changed thier scheme on this or is it still the same? If they haven't then they could produce the most perfect security product in the world and it would be of no value to me personally because I reload my machine many times each year.

[larryb52]

-{ Quote: "Yes and the updates are sometimes minutes apart. No more waiting for a day to get updates- you get them literally as they are coded every few minutes." }-


this is one of the features I think is important & will make a big impact of detection. Also sonar has been improved, scans are pretty quick as well. Norton has really worked hard to make this a good release...

[Edwin024]

-{ Quote: "Have they changed thier scheme on this or is it still the same? If they haven't then they could produce the most perfect security product in the world and it would be of no value to me personally because I reload my machine many times each year." }-

Just ask them :)

I do the same as you and have this problem with other companies every now and then. I did install NIS and 360 a few times too, but never had a problem with not being able to install again.

[CountryGuy]

Just to temper the enthusiasm (and even without SONAR, I'm going to use this too on my 64 bit rig), I still have some concerns over the long term:

1) Their (apparent) lack of knowledge of 64 bit systems does concern me somewhat. SONAR not working, given the intricacies of PatchGuard, I'll give them. Not being able to integrate contextual scanning after two years... :doubt:

2) And my biggest worry: Complacency. I fully believe many of the changes from 2007 onward had to do with the competition offering better, faster products. It took the sleeping giant a few years to wake up, but yeah - They've created a juggernaut with this release. I want it to be good (since I'm using it ;D ), but not TOO good. If this shuts down a lot of the competition, its not hard to imagine Symantec sitting back and not investing in R&D.

Also, there are still areas for improvement. One area, for example, is one that I don't think Kaspersky gets enough credit for, and that's incorporating a app vulnerability check with their product. Symantec is very good at catching malware that tries to get in via vulnerabilities. But if they can get even half of their customers to PATCH those vulnerabilities (be it older Flash versions, IE6, etc.), that could be a game-changer. And as a user with a kid taking her laptop to school, allowing NIS to email when detections are found would be nice.

Again, don't get me wrong - I love this release. I helped beta test it (although my time is spent with useability stuff more than detections), and like the performance. But its important to keep them on their toes so we don't end up with NIS 2005 or 2006 again ;D

[vijayind]

-{ Quote: "

2) And my biggest worry: Complacency. I fully believe many of the changes from 2007 onward had to do with the competition offering better, faster products. It took the sleeping giant a few years to wake up, but yeah - They've created a juggernaut with this release. I want it to be good (since I'm using it ;D ), but not TOO good. If this shuts down a lot of the competition, its not hard to imagine Symantec sitting back and not investing in R&D.

Again, don't get me wrong - I love this release. I helped beta test it (although my time is spent with useability stuff more than detections), and like the performance. But its important to keep them on their toes so we don't end up with NIS 2005 or 2006 again ;D" }-
I totally agree with that :thumb:

[Atomic_Ed]

-{ Quote: "Just ask them :)

I do the same as you and have this problem with other companies every now and then. I did install NIS and 360 a few times too, but never had a problem with not being able to install again." }-
Actually I'd rather not ask them anything since it takes a week to get a question answered with them in my experience. Besides I have already vowed, since it was one of the most terrible experiences I ever had with customer service, that I would never ever deal with them again as long as I live. I was just curious to see if that crazy policy that punishes legitimate paying enthusiast users and does nothing for real piracy, was ever addressed. I actually hope this new release is a winner and all it is initially cracked up to be from all the comments and that none of the users who buy it ever have to go through what I did with them.

[Victek123]

-{ Quote: "I'm sure it won't be long before the Norton bashers start to appear here.....I only suggest to them to either try this first and then post or not to post at all! Still can't believe how light this is." }-

If some people do start bashing the product it will be interesting to see on what basis. The improvements over the 2008 line are astonishing, but nothing is perfect.

[larryb52]

-{ Quote: "I hate NORTON !!!
It has a transparent GUI .... yuck !! :thumbd:
And taking a page from PCMag's books .... It has lousy Parental Control :thumbd:

That's it, NORTON 2009 is doomed :P

( That's pretty much what I could find .... Norton 2009 is great. If they could just add a expert mode which would display more working details and give more control. I would be left speech-less... )" }-


geeze you need to get an opinion <g>...unless you've tried it why knock it unless it just pure bias & opinion only, than that's what it's worth...

[proactivelover]

i think in future panda antivirus will do the same as symantec did

[lodore]

-{ Quote: "i think in future panda antivirus will do the same as symantec did" }-
im hoping all big vendors such as panda,mcafee,trend micro etc will.

[the_sly_dog]

-{ Quote: "I hate NORTON !!!
It has a transparent GUI .... yuck !! :thumbd:

transparent GUI u can change that it has other background colours blue,black,etc in settings

[InfinityAz]

Been using the beta for a few weeks and installed the final version. As others have said it is very light, quick, etc. and I'm very impressed. Moving to this instead of NOD32 on 3 of my machines.

Another nice feature is if you turn on Advanced Events Monitoring (under Advanced settings) NIS then acts as a HIPS and watches/prompts for:

Program components
Program launch
Command line execution
Code injection
Window messages
Direct network access
Active desktop change
Key logger monitor


The only negative, if you want to call it that, is the increased number of pop-ups.

[mvdu]

-{ Quote: "The whole idea of Norton is to give people (all who want..) a hassle free security. So no need for tweaking and twisting. Those who want that have more than enough other options to enjoy on the market ;)" }-

NIS tends to be TOO open IMO.. there's a happy medium between no popups/very few and tons. I could adjust it, but many who don't know about security won't.

[Edwin024]

It's on my PC for eight hours now...not a single popup... what kind of machine do u have?!

[Edwin024]

-{ Quote: "NIS tends to be TOO open IMO.. there's a happy medium between no popups/very few and tons. I could adjust it, but many who don't know about security won't." }-

... And for them using NIS is more security than they will get from many other vendors. So a win-win situation. Again: think of the mass market. Not about the 'freaks' here.

[Edwin024]

-{ Quote: "Just to temper the enthusiasm (and even without SONAR, I'm going to use this too on my 64 bit rig), I still have some concerns over the long term:

1) Their (apparent) lack of knowledge of 64 bit systems does concern me somewhat. SONAR not working, given the intricacies of PatchGuard, I'll give them. Not being able to integrate contextual scanning after two years... :doubt: " }-

I can't find anywhere on the Symantec website that SONAR doesn't work in 64... Can you?

[Fajo]

Installing it now on my test box.

We will see how it performs from what I read here looks like the sleeping giant has been woken up lets see how well he is rested after his slumber. ;D

[lodore]

i point is the people who demand the fastest speed will be happy and can now reccomend nav and nis even on their gaming machines without noticing any slowdowns. the pulse updates mean protection is faster for alll users. hopfully sav/mail servers and all enterprize symantec products will include pulse updates asap to help less and less malware get to the users.
im hoping nav/nis 2009 gets a special test at av comparitives.

luckily nav/nis have all the features most users will need without the stuff they dont.
for me a default install is fine.
i just turn off the manage logins toolbar off and keep the antiphising toolbar on.
i think the load early option should be taken out of options and just be on. i turned it on and didnt notice any difference in boot time.
adverage users who want an all in one product can buy norton 360.
while users like us can use nav/nis2009.

hopefully microsoft will surprise us with windows 7.

[CountryGuy]

-{ Quote: "I can't find anywhere on the Symantec website that SONAR doesn't work in 64... Can you?" }-

http://community.norton.com/norton/board/message?board.id=nis_pb&message.id=3445&query.id=65289#M3445

-{ Quote: "While SONAR may not be available on 64-bit Vista, other engines that protect against unknown threats are:

- Intrusion Prevention Engine - This looks for behaviors coming over the network that are deemed suspicious. Most of the signatures in this engine were written well over a year ago and continue to prevent threats from entering the machine without changing the actual signature. This is a very effective 0-day engine against unknown threats.To get a sense for the kinds of threats that are detected by the IPS engine, you can look at http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/attack_sigs/

- Browser Protection Engine - This engine looks for behaviors in Script coming into Internet Explorer (Firefox added in NIS/NAV 2009). As you probably know drive-by downloads or threats coming through the browser are by far the most common way by which users (both novice and advanced) get infected. We specifically built this engine to block very hard-to-detect obfuscated JScript/VBScript, HTML based attacks.

Both these engines prevent unknown threats from even getting onto your machine without your knowledge and they are available on 64-bit Vista.
" }-

Unfortunately, this is still a negative I have with Symantec - Its very hard to get these little nuggets of information from their main site. I'm still using it since two of my machines are 32 bit, and the 64 bit is still protected by Bloodhound heuristics (which I turn to aggressive) as well as the pulse updates - I'm comfortable with the level of protection. Also, Vista 64's PatchGuard negates some (but not all) of the usefulness of SONAR. AS the number of 64 bit users increases, this should be something people can find out from the site, and not need to visit their beta boards.

[denniz]

NIS2009 is running great! 8)

Excellent performance, super fast updates, very good protection and easy to configure!

Very much recommended! 8)

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "http://community.norton.com/norton/board/message?board.id=nis_pb&message.id=3445&query.id=65289#M3445



Unfortunately, this is still a negative I have with Symantec - Its very hard to get these little nuggets of information from their main site." }-


Until the mass population switches to 64Bit chips/OS's there just wont be much support for them.. simple fact is no money in it yet.

[Edwin024]

-{ Quote: "http://community.norton.com/norton/board/message?board.id=nis_pb&message.id=3445&query.id=65289#M3445

Unfortunately, this is still a negative I have with Symantec - Its very hard to get these little nuggets of information from their main site." }-

That's all nice but when I look at the information on the website at the final version SONAR is there for 32 and 64, so I have to assume.

EDIT: even if SONAR is not there, Antibot does work on my 64 machine and is installed besides NIS 2009. So I do have SONAR then (looking at what you wrote, in any case ;) )

[CountryGuy]

-{ Quote: "That's all nice but when I look at the information on the website at the final version SONAR is there for 32 and 64, so I have to assume." }-

There are additional posts from Symantec employees on their beta forums that state specifically that SONAR will not be available on Vista 64 this year. While I don't have the Release version installed yet, none of the pre-release versions had SONAR even listed in the application (a good feature, nothing more irritating then seeing an option for something that won't work no matter what you click ;D).

I'm willing to bet the site doesn't say anything about contextual scanning not being there for 64 bit either (but that's different than saying a feature IS there). Its just the quirks we live with to run 4GB of RAM :D Still, I'll ask on their forums again, since they should change their site if its relaying incorrect information.

[vijayind]

-{ Quote: "geeze you need to get an opinion <g>...unless you've tried it why knock it unless it just pure bias & opinion only, than that's what it's worth..." }-
Gez !! What made you think I didn't try it ?? :blink:
Did you read the whole post (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1313751&postcount=27) ?
-{ Quote: "I hate NORTON !!!
It has a transparent GUI .... yuck !! :thumbd:
And taking a page from PCMag's books .... It has lousy Parental Control :thumbd:

That's it, NORTON 2009 is doomed :P

( That's pretty much what I could find .... Norton 2009 is great. If they could just add a expert mode which would display more working details and give more control. I would be left speech-less... )" }-

Just tryin to be a wise-crack ;D (see the last part), that's all. Plus if you look up the Norton 2009 beta thread, you might find some of my posts there too ...
I am not sure if I am the so-called BIAS here....

Cheers, Have a Nice Day :thumb:

[C.S.J]

Some people are going overboard,

I've been aware of AVs that are low on system resources for years,

Sure, it's nice to see a lighter Norton, but cmon! Let's not go overboard as if this is something we have all not seen, simply norton catching on to what people have asked them for years.

[vijayind]

-{ Quote: "-{ Quote: "I hate NORTON !!!
It has a transparent GUI .... yuck !! :thumbd:

transparent GUI u can change that it has other background colours blue,black,etc in settings" }-
Hi Sly Dog, I know.... Just tryin to take pugshots... :P
I have nothing major against the new interface. I remember in Beta Forum, Raven McDaddy and others whipped up a storm for a new/better interface. Good to see some of it incorporated. :thumb:

[NAMOR]

-{ Quote: "Actually I'd rather not ask them anything since it takes a week to get a question answered with them in my experience. Besides I have already vowed, since it was one of the most terrible experiences I ever had with customer service, that I would never ever deal with them again as long as I live. I was just curious to see if that crazy policy that punishes legitimate paying enthusiast users and does nothing for real piracy, was ever addressed. I actually hope this new release is a winner and all it is initially cracked up to be from all the comments and that none of the users who buy it ever have to go through what I did with them." }-


I have reinstalled NIS 2008 a ton of times on my desktop and never had a problem until I tried to move my key over to my laptop. That is when I got the "too many activations error". My guess is during the activation process, info is sent to symantec with your account info and computer's hardware ID.

[Fajo]

running light on my test computer its very hard to believe this is Norton. :o

[CountryGuy]

-{ Quote: "Some people are going overboard,

I've been aware of AVs that are low on system resources for years,

Sure, it's nice to see a lighter Norton, but cmon! Let's not go overboard as if this is something we have all not seen, simply norton catching on to what people have asked them for years." }-

Agreed, this is not the end of viruses ;D

I also agree they haven't done anything revolutionary. HOWEVER, I think it is fair to say their use of some of these concepts is evolutionary. Kaspersky was (I think) the pioneer of rapid-release updates hourly. Symantec's pulse releases at 5-10 minutes takes that to another level. The installation speed is unreal, barely a percentage of the time it took in the 2008 version.

I guess the way I look at it (and I think its similar to what you're saying) is that Symantec delivered the gains in one year it should have been providing incrementally since 2003ish ;D And for folks used to what they expect from Symantec, it really is incredible, and they DO deserve some serious kudos.

[edd3800]

I’ve been using Norton Internet Security 2009 beta for a few weeks now. I like just about everything on it. Very light, on my computer. It is a impressive product. They seem to have worked out the bugs. So I’m going back to Norton after 5 years.
$70 is really more than I want to spend. I just order NIS 2008 from Computer’s Worth for $29 retail version will use the key for 2009.

[Netherlands]

I still can't find information on the symantec website if NIS 2009 contains a webantivirus scanner. Does it contain one?

[Atomic_Ed]

-{ Quote: "I have reinstalled NIS 2008 a ton of times on my desktop and never had a problem until I tried to move my key over to my laptop. That is when I got the "too many activations error". My guess is during the activation process, info is sent to symantec with your account info and computer's hardware ID." }-
Not in my case same machine every time. Their own support people even said it was crazy but it was the policy. They did mention there is a finite number of times it can be installed before it blacklists the license. I can't recall what that number was as this was a few years ago now.

[RaLX]

-{ Quote: "I’ve been using Norton Internet Security 2009 beta for a few weeks now. I like just about everything on it. Very light, on my computer. It is a impressive product. They seem to have worked out the bugs. So I’m going back to Norton after 5 years.
$70 is really more than I want to spend. I just order NIS 2008 from Computer’s Worth for $29 retail version will use the key for 2009." }-

Is it confirmed that you can use NIS2008 key to install NIS2009?

Thanks.

[s4u]

yes correct

[lodore]

-{ Quote: "Is it confirmed that you can use NIS2008 key to install NIS2009?

Thanks." }-
definatly my friend used a 2003 boxed key on nis2008 and will soon on 2009

[NAMOR]

-{ Quote: "I’ve been using Norton Internet Security 2009 beta for a few weeks now. I like just about everything on it. Very light, on my computer. It is a impressive product. They seem to have worked out the bugs. So I’m going back to Norton after 5 years.
$70 is really more than I want to spend. I just order NIS 2008 from Computer’s Worth for $29 retail version will use the key for 2009." }-


I purched another license, from the link NIS2009 gives you during the activation and I only had to pay $49 for a new key.

[larryb52]

-{ Quote: "Gez !! What made you think I didn't try it ?? :blink:
Did you read the whole post (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1313751&postcount=27) ?


Just tryin to be a wise-crack ;D (see the last part), that's all. Plus if you look up the Norton 2009 beta thread, you might find some of my posts there too ...
I am not sure if I am the so-called BIAS here....

Cheers, Have a Nice Day :thumb:" }-


sorry been super busy at work misread your post, my apologies...

[Bunkhouse Buck]

-{ Quote: "running light on my test computer its very hard to believe this is Norton. :o" }-

Isn't it? Lighter than Avira on my machines and I like Avira.

[Graystoke]

Removed my post. After thinking it over, I didn't think it was appropriate thread to ask my question.

[ankupan]

Yes, I was using Avira and LnS, but NIS 09 is more lighter than my previous setup.


-{ Quote: "Isn't it? Lighter than Avira on my machines and I like Avira." }-

[Atomic_Ed]

-{ Quote: "Isn't it? Lighter than Avira on my machines and I like Avira." }-
I have read so many people here talking about how light it is but have not seen any actual numbers. I know there is no A vs B here and I mean not against other products but even numbers showing how it compares in resource usage to the 2008 version of itself. Is that allowed? If so anyone got any numbers like this to share?

[JasSolo]

-{ Quote: "...Lighter than Avira on my machines and I like Avira." }-

Yes lighter here as well, and I really like Avira VERY much too, so I guess it's a BIG :thumb: on this one, Symantec. Keep up the good work!


Cheers

[alloucho]

-{ Quote: "I have read so many people here talking about how light it is but have not seen any actual numbers. I know there is no A vs B here and I mean not against other products but even numbers showing how it compares in resource usage to the 2008 version of itself. Is that allowed? If so anyone got any numbers like this to share?" }-
Here is a screenshot;)

[cruelsister]

I'd also like to know about the resource use on NIS (or the AV alone). I currently am running Avira and LNS, the total RAM burden being ~18,000K with no real increase in the Commit Charge when I installed them.

The single test that I saw from AV-Test.org had the Beta AV within a few percentage points of Avira (and I'm pretty sure that the difference probably wasn't statistically significant, but God forbid that any of these tests would bring that fact up).

[larryb52]

-{ Quote: "running light on my test computer its very hard to believe this is Norton. :o" }-


scary isn't it...personally I was always shocked at the less than forever install...

[InfinityAz]

-{ Quote: "I have read so many people here talking about how light it is but have not seen any actual numbers. I know there is no A vs B here and I mean not against other products but even numbers showing how it compares in resource usage to the 2008 version of itself. Is that allowed? If so anyone got any numbers like this to share?" }-

Atomic_Ed,

Two processes running on Vista 32 Home Premium (commit size in parens):

ccSvcHst.exe = 2,288 K (37,028 K)
ccSvcHst.exe = 3,848 K (41,464 K)

They increase when doing a scan, etc. but return to under 10K.

[Rain_Train]

Hi, I've installed Norton Internet Security 2009 and am currently trialing it. I like it a lot (it runs even lighter than Avira Free on my system!), but there is just one problem I'm facing.

I went to download the EICAR test file – using Firefox 3 – and eicar.com (standard protocol, 86 bytes) would not download. I assumed it was blocked by Norton, but Norton never gave me a popup notification that it blocked a virus. I disabled Norton Auto-Protect, then was able to download the file to a folder. I turned on Norton Auto-Protect and attempted to run the test file (this is the executable version). Once again, I had to assume Norton caught it, because it disappeared in Windows Explorer before my very eyes! Yet Norton still did not give a popup warning. I checked the Norton history, and sure enough, Norton blocked it – Eicar test file showed up in the history.

I have tried going through the settings, and I'm not on Silent Mode and I'm not in full screen (I even disabled detecting of full screen and tried it, still no warning). Did Symantec take out warning notifications in this version, is it a bug, or is something wrong with my configuration? :doubt:

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "Hi, I've installed Norton Internet Security 2009 and am currently trialing it. I like it a lot (it runs even lighter than Avira Free on my system!), but there is just one problem I'm facing.

I went to download the EICAR test file – using Firefox 3 – and eicar.com (standard protocol, 86 bytes) would not download. I assumed it was blocked by Norton, but Norton never gave me a popup notification that it blocked a virus. I disabled Norton Auto-Protect, then was able to download the file to a folder. I turned on Norton Auto-Protect and attempted to run the test file (this is the executable version). Once again, I had to assume Norton caught it, because it disappeared in Windows Explorer before my very eyes! Yet Norton still did not give a popup warning. I checked the Norton history, and sure enough, Norton blocked it – Eicar test file showed up in the history.

I have tried going through the settings, and I'm not on Silent Mode and I'm not in full screen (I even disabled detecting of full screen and tried it, still no warning). Did Symantec take out warning notifications in this version, is it a bug, or is something wrong with my configuration? :doubt:" }-

Works fine here

202805

[Wunibald]

I upgraded from NIS 2008 to NIS 2009 and it's running fine.

But I'm a little confused.

During the time of Beta Symantec officials always mentioned, that NIS 2009 wouldn't make Norton Antibot redundant.

But NOW this seems to have changed?

http://www.symantec.com/norton/support/kb/web_view.jsp?wv_type=public_web&docurl=20080902104300EN

Would be nice if somebody with more knowledge could clear things up a little.

[edd3800]

Check under setting computer scans. Make sure Remove files Automatically is set to off

[Atomic_Ed]

-{ Quote: "Here is a screenshot;)" }-
Thanks for the screenshot. Wow, that is sure hard to believe it is a Norton product. Glad to hear of the improvements.

[norky]

This is pretty nice indeed. I just have to get over not feeling secure when using a Norton product. I know it's all mental and I do like this program. A couple of things that I wish I was able to do:

1) At one point I managed to get it to show me a popup for programs connecting to the internet, I now seem to have disabled that somehow - how do I enable this again?

2) When I was able to get the popups for apps connecting to the internet, there was no option to create any advanced rule from the popup, only allow or block this instance.

I think that's it.

I'm seriously thinking about picking this up when the trial is done.

[InfinityAz]

-{ Quote: "1) At one point I managed to get it to show me a popup for programs connecting to the internet, I now seem to have disabled that somehow - how do I enable this again?" }-

Norky,

Go into settings:

Click Internet Settings
Under Smart Firewall, Click Configure [+] next to Advanced Settings
Turn Automatic Program Control off
Turn Advanced Events Monitoring on
Click OK or Apply


This should do it but you will get quite a few more prompts because this causes NIS to behave more like a HIPS.

[oliverjia]

I must admit that I have not installed NIS2009 yet. But I don't think NIS2009 comes to the top AV all of a sudden, just because it's light and has pulse update. No, I don't think so. For a AV, being light is a big plus but not the most important thing. IMHO, best detection rate is the number 1 for an AV. I would wait and see how NIS2009 does in half a year or so before I go back to Norton.

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "I must admit that I have not installed NIS2009 yet. But I don't think NIS2009 comes to the top AV all of a sudden, just because it's light and has pulse update. No, I don't think so. For a AV, being light is a big plus but not the most important thing. IMHO, best detection rate is the number 1 for an AV. I would wait and see how NIS2009 does in half a year or so before I go back to Norton." }-

In the recent AV-Test. it scored a 28/28 along with a few others. its not only light seems to have good detection. but we will see as time goes on what happens. but for now Norton is moving its once powerful fist in the right direction.

[Edwin024]

-{ Quote: "Not in my case same machine every time. Their own support people even said it was crazy but it was the policy. They did mention there is a finite number of times it can be installed before it blacklists the license. I can't recall what that number was as this was a few years ago now." }-

There now is a key text in your documents folder where they say the following (I deleted the key...):

Please print this page and keep it in a safe place.
You will need this key in the event that you need to reinstall
Norton Internet Security.

Product key: ----

To print this page, press Ctrl-P.

For future reference, you can find this product key in
C:\Users\Name\Documents\Symantec\Norton Internet Security_Key.txt

This feels to me as if the activation problem (if any) is a case of the past.

[Edwin024]

-{ Quote: "I upgraded from NIS 2008 to NIS 2009 and it's running fine.

But I'm a little confused.

During the time of Beta Symantec officials always mentioned, that NIS 2009 wouldn't make Norton Antibot redundant.

But NOW this seems to have changed?

http://www.symantec.com/norton/support/kb/web_view.jsp?wv_type=public_web&docurl=20080902104300EN

Would be nice if somebody with more knowledge could clear things up a little." }-

I installed NIS and Antibot on my PC without a problem. A bit of extra security is not bad is it? ;) On another PC I had complaints when trying to install. But that was because there were left overs from EndPoint protection on that machine. Once removed NIS installed. Even with Antibot installed already on that one.

[emperordarius]

You won't believe it but it is PcMag's Editor choice:o ;D
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2330018,00.asp?kc=PCRSS02129TX1K0000530

[doktornotor]

-{ Quote: "You won't believe it but it is PcMag's Editor choice:o ;D
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2330018,00.asp?kc=PCRSS02129TX1K0000530" }-

202811

[Wunibald]

-{ Quote: "I installed NIS and Antibot on my PC without a problem. A bit of extra security is not bad is it? ;) On another PC I had complaints when trying to install. But that was because there were left overs from EndPoint protection on that machine. Once removed NIS installed. Even with Antibot installed already on that one." }-

Extra security is extra security...
But the link says that the detection of NIS 2009 is superior.

[vijayind]

-{ Quote: "You won't believe it but it is PcMag's Editor choice:o ;D
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2330018,00.asp?kc=PCRSS02129TX1K0000530" }-

Whats so surprising ??
The PCMag EC has been allotted to Norton for 5 years starting from 2005 ....
And after Symantec bought PC Tools (a.k.a) SpywareDoctor, they have been given a automatic renewal for another 5 years .. ;D

[emperordarius]

-{ Quote: "
Whats so surprising ??
The PCMag EC has been allotted to Norton for 5 years starting from 2005 ....
And after Symantec bought PC Tools (a.k.a) SpywareDoctor, they have been given a automatic renewal for another 5 years .. ;D" }-

Lol yeah I know;D

Quote from Runbenking:

-{ Quote: "
...I'll be installing it on my own systems.
" }-

Another curious thing how it gave such a small importance to secondary features in Norton while a very big one in other suites. If you look at the end of the review you see that the AntiSpam gets only a 1/5 rating and the Parental Control a 2/5 rating. If Any other suite had taken that rating it wouldn't have got more than 3 stars.

[Edwin024]

-{ Quote: "You won't believe it but it is PcMag's Editor choice:o ;D
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2330018,00.asp?kc=PCRSS02129TX1K0000530" }-

I used KIS too, Empetc. But I don't find this PCMag decision strange for this new version. NIS deserves it. Try it out yourself!

[ankupan]

Hi,

No discount for beta tester for this new version ?

[Edwin024]

-{ Quote: "Extra security is extra security...
But the link says that the detection of NIS 2009 is superior." }-

I did install Antibot for the sake of the possibility (or fact) that SONAR doesn't work in Vista 64. That makes a difference, doesn't it?

[emperordarius]

-{ Quote: "I used KIS too, Impetc. But I don't find this PCMag decision strange for this new version. NIS deserves it. Try it out yourself!" }-

Yes I tried it on a computer yesterday. Very very light indeed. But I still have to see how it does in the real life(where all the previous versions miserably failed). I installed it on a computer of a friend who passess all the day downloading music, pictures, and software from p2p programs, he's using Internet Explorer 6, never running windows update(he has turned it off), and downloading a lot of dangeorus stuff. Is there a better way to test a security program?;D

[Wunibald]

-{ Quote: "I did install Antibot for the sake of the possibility (or fact) that SONAR doesn't work in Vista 64. That makes a difference, doesn't it?" }-

OK, that's true. But I still think it's not really transparent, why Symantec now sells NIS 2009 without additional Antibot license.

Just thinking.
If "somebody" now would buy a license for NIS 2008 including Antibot, could it be used for NIS 2009? Probably not?

[Edwin024]

Up until now all licenses of Symantec work on the newer versions too, so I guess the answer to your bit of thinking is yes.

[Edwin024]

-{ Quote: "Yes I tried it on a computer yesterday. Very very light indeed. But I still have to see how it does in the real life(where all the previous versions miserably failed). I installed it on a computer of a friend who passess all the day downloading music, pictures, and software from p2p programs, he's using Internet Explorer 6, never running windows update(he has turned it off), and downloading a lot of dangeorus stuff. Is there a better way to test a security program?;D" }-

I use it in real life of course too. And I do download a lot now to see how NIS is doing :) So far: excellent!

[Wunibald]

Wow that's cool. 8)
Stores in Germany are right now cleaning their shelves and selling the old version very fair priced. I'll give it a try, as the price would even be OK for Antibot alone...

[Pseudo]

I just installed it, and I've got to say, I LOVE it. Maybe I can find a cheap NIS 08 somewhere. :lurking:

[ankupan]

if find than share with us too.

-{ Quote: "I just installed it, and I've got to say, I LOVE it. Maybe I can find a cheap NIS 08 somewhere. :lurking:" }-

[Pseudo]

-{ Quote: "if find than share with us too." }-
Just a quick look on Amazon found Norton 07 (licenses will still work) for $22. :o

[larryb52]

-{ Quote: "Hi,

No discount for beta tester for this new version ?" }-

no I tested you either got a free license or you have to pay full price, since I tested & did have a lot of imput I was disappointed that I didn't get the freebee but that's ok

[Wunibald]

-{ Quote: "Just a quick look on Amazon found Norton 07 (licenses will still work) for $22. :o" }-

Wow. This license-system is really weird. But great if it really works... ;D

[Pseudo]

-{ Quote: "Wow. This license-system is really weird. But great if it really works... ;D" }-
It's not really that wierd - most security software allows free upgrades if your license is still active.

[xpsunny]

Is there a shell extension in NIS 2009?

[Wunibald]

-{ Quote: "It's not really that wierd - most security software allow free upgrades if your license is still active." }-

Yes, but it feels strange to buy NIS 2008 AGAIN, for a lower price, to use the key with NIS 2009. Don't know. Think it's not the way it was meant to be... ;)

[emperordarius]

Can you set NIS/NAV to let you decide what to do with a threat instead of automatically removing it?

[hex_614]

this version of norton has the most protection in the market today. it breaking new technology outsmart eset, bit defender,trendmicro, mcaffe and kaspersky.

i will buy this product after my license expire next year.

[emperordarius]

-{ Quote: "this version of norton has the most protection in the market today. it breaking new technology outsmart eset, bit defender,trendmicro, mcaffe and kaspersky.

i will buy this product after my license expire next year." }-

Norton 2009 is very good, but personally I wouldn't bet on the lat one.

[_Rupert_]

The streaming/pulse updates were working great yesterday - was auto updating my defs every few minutes. Longest time I noticed inbetween updates was 9 minutes.

Computer's been on all night/day today, and the last update was 7 hours ago.
LiveUpdate is not finding any new updates and I don't appear to be receiving any new streaming defs.

This is happening on both of my machines with NIS2009 on. Can anyone confirm?

[Wunibald]

No.
Last update 1 hour ago.

[_Rupert_]

1 hour ago is too long though. The whole idea of the streaming defs are to bring updates every 5-15 minutes. This is what was happening yesterday.

[Wunibald]

-{ Quote: "1 hour ago is too long though. The whole idea of the streaming defs are to bring updates every 5-15 minutes. This is what was happening yesterday." }-

Strange enough, when I click on "1 hour" it says the last update was at 11:56 (European time, about 4 hours ago...)

:-\

[_Rupert_]

Hmm.
Something's definately up. The fact that it's happening on both my machines is alarming, but it's not just that: http://community.norton.com/norton/board/message?board.id=nis_feedback&thread.id=7264

[Einsturzende]

-{ Quote: "Strange enough, when I click on "1 hour" it says the last update was at 11:56 (European time, about 4 hours ago...)

:-\" }-
teehee, last Kaspersky update is on 14:29 ~ 1 hour ago...

[larryb52]

-{ Quote: "Hmm.
Something's definately up. The fact that it's happening on both my machines is alarming, but it's not just that: http://community.norton.com/norton/board/message?board.id=nis_feedback&thread.id=7264" }-


who knows I would hate to think that the servers went down, I'm sure the ones(servers) downloading a version of the program are working just fine...

[_Rupert_]

The streaming def's may come from a different server, because I've already been able to download a phishing database update successfully from running LiveUpdate manually.

[norky]

-{ Quote: "Norky,

Go into settings:

Click Internet Settings
Under Smart Firewall, Click Configure [+] next to Advanced Settings
Turn Automatic Program Control off
Turn Advanced Events Monitoring on
Click OK or Apply


This should do it but you will get quite a few more prompts because this causes NIS to behave more like a HIPS." }-

Thank you, sir!

[_Rupert_]

Just received a pulse update.

[xpsunny]

Hello,

Does the new version of norton support archive cleaning instead of deleting the entire archive. Can it automatically delete/disinfect infected files in RAR/7Zip,etc archives???

[Edwin024]

-{ Quote: "Can you set NIS/NAV to let you decide what to do with a threat instead of automatically removing it?" }-

Yes. You can set the automatically delete threats to off.

[Edwin024]

-{ Quote: "Is there a shell extension in NIS 2009?" }-

Nope, but you can scan whatever you like from within the scan part of NIS. Files, folders, dirs, etc.

[emperordarius]

-{ Quote: "Nope, but you can scan whatever you like from within the scan part of NIS. Files, folders, dirs, etc." }-

No shell extension?:o

[Wunibald]

-{ Quote: "No shell extension?:o" }-

Only for 32Bit as far as I know.

[Victek123]

-{ Quote: "It's not really that wierd - most security software allows free upgrades if your license is still active." }-

Can anyone say for a fact that NIS 2007 licenses will work with NIS 2009? Has anyone actually done it?

[denniz]

From my own experience I can confirm that your NIS2008 license will work on NIS2009. And to take it even a bit further... as far as I know all unactivated licenses (that means those licenses that have NEVER been used) of previous NIS versions will work on your NIS2009.

[lodore]

-{ Quote: "Can anyone say for a fact that NIS 2007 licenses will work with NIS 2009? Has anyone actually done it?" }-
no but my friend used a 2003 boxed license in nis2008 and will soon put it in nis2009.

[smack]

-{ Quote: "Only for 32Bit as far as I know." }-

Yes, only for 32-bit XP or Vista.

[smack]

-{ Quote: "Can anyone say for a fact that NIS 2007 licenses will work with NIS 2009? Has anyone actually done it?" }-

Yes, it will work. As long as you have an active subscription, you can upgrade (i.e, install) to any newer year version on top and it will (should ;) ) pick up and re-use your current subscription.

Norton Account is great for this, since you can use it to store all your keys -- never have to worry about losing them ever again, even if you wipe your systems.

[swisscoms]

I have been a member here for a number of years, and keep in the background. However I want to share my experience with everyone about this new product.

We have been looking for a serious Internet Security program for our R&D facility here for months now. Many promised excellent performance and features. However, we found spyyare and slow website browsing to occur on many we tried. I was quite hesitant trying the new Norton 2009 application as previous versions were huge in size, and slowed even the fastest PCs down.
However, I am more than happy with this version. Norton have really hit the jackpot this time. It is remarkably fast at scanning and web surfing. The footprint is very small, and takes up little RAM. Protection against viruses and malware appears to be superb. I can only suggest to readers to give it a try. You may well end up purchasing it online. I sure did, and we couldn't be happier.

To coin an old TV advertisment, "This is not the Norton your Father used to use". :)

[markcc]

I installed Nav 2009 after reading the good reviews from this forum. The install went well & did not require a reboot. My laptop ran very well with this A/V until a reboot later. After a reboot I had no network connection. My wireless would not find a signal & my local area network was not available. I had no network address! I had to uninstall the program & all was well. I'm not sure what that was all about. I have tried many A/V's & never had this problem, to bad because it looked promising. I do have a couple of questions.

1) Is their any way to see what files have been scanned in realtime? Most A/V's will show this. My G Data shows what was scanned by e-mail, Web scanner & realtime. That way I know it is working (I need to see it to believe it)

2) Does it have a http scanner?

[Edwin024]

To answer your second question: NIS has a phising filter installed, and it looks at the traffic of your browser.

[lodore]

-{ Quote: "To answer your second question: NIS has a phising filter installed, and it looks at the traffic of your browser." }-
plus dont forget websafe that blocks dangerous websites.
its an optional install but worth it. think it only works with IE thou=(
didnt check firefox.

[eBBox]

-{ Quote: "plus dont forget websafe that blocks dangerous websites.
its an optional install but worth it. think it only works with IE thou=(
didnt check firefox." }-


Works with firefox too ;)

[lodore]

-{ Quote: "Works with firefox too ;)" }-
good hopfully it will eventually work with opera lol.
kinda pushing it thou since opera hasnt really got a big market share.

[Pseudo]

I don't understand how Norton 2009 got such a low rating on CNet. ???
Is there a group of Norton bashers always waiting to rate the newest version 1 star without trying it? :argh:

[virtumonde]

-{ Quote: "I don't understand how Norton 2009 got such a low rating on CNet. ???
Is there a group of Norton bashers always waiting to rate the newest version 1 star without trying it? :argh:" }-
The reviews (http://reviews.cnet.com/internet-security-and-firewall/norton-internet-security-2009/4505-3667_7-33246586.html?tag=mncol;lst) look fine to me both from Cnet Editor &the users.From 6 users when i write this only one is bad.Looks after reading people comments on here that this year they've got a winner.

[Pseudo]

-{ Quote: "The reviews (http://reviews.cnet.com/internet-security-and-firewall/norton-internet-security-2009/4505-3667_7-33246586.html?tag=mncol;lst) look fine to me both from Cnet Editor &the users.From 6 users when i write this only one is bad.Looks after reading people comments on here that this year they've got a winner." }-
Only 2 out of 140 people that rated Norton actually wrote a review, the reviews are positive, but it appears the majority of the 140 users gave it a generally negative rating: http://www.download.com/Norton-Internet-Security/3000-8022_4-10592551.html?tag=mncol&cdlPid=10883662

[BrendanK.]

PCMag gave NIS a nice review.

[virtumonde]

Yes you are right.They probably didn't test the 2009 yet and probably are frustarted users of previous 2005-2007 versions.
It will take a while for Norton to regain their confidence,even if Symantec affords to lose users.

[swisscoms]

-{ Quote: "I don't understand how Norton 2009 got such a low rating on CNet. ???
Is there a group of Norton bashers always waiting to rate the newest version 1 star without trying it? :argh:" }-

NIS 2009 is showing 4 out of 5 at the moment from readers on CNET. 8)

[midway40]

-{ Quote: "I don't understand how Norton 2009 got such a low rating on CNet. ???
Is there a group of Norton bashers always waiting to rate the newest version 1 star without trying it? :argh:" }-

Maybe Symantec needs to have a "Mojave Experiment" with a bunch of Norton bashers ;D

[TaInTeD_SnIpEr]

Symantec definitely have a winner this year.
Great product, very fast.

[mvdu]

I'm glad it installs faster and updates more. It still hasn't convinced me enough to use it (and I've already spent for security this year,) but at least the market leader is improving.

[Halo326]

I uninstalled Comodo and Avira and installed NIS 2009. My pc has never run smoother or faster. KIS 09 slowed my pc to a crawl. I am loving NIS 2009 but it lets you download some of the eicar tests on the top. I dont think there is a web shield. Also I was thinking of installing TF cause I am not sure about the HIPS in NIS. Any comments?

[Pseudo]

-{ Quote: "I uninstalled Comodo and Avira and installed NIS 2009. My pc has never run smoother or faster. KIS 09 slowed my pc to a crawl. I am loving NIS 2009 but it lets you download some of the eicar tests on the top. I dont think there is a web shield. Also I was thinking of installing TF cause I am not sure about the HIPS in NIS. Any comments?" }-
Norton Anti-Bot would be a good addition to NIS, if you feel you need extra protection. :P Otherwise, I think NIS is fine by it's self.

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "I uninstalled Comodo and Avira and installed NIS 2009. My pc has never run smoother or faster. KIS 09 slowed my pc to a crawl. I am loving NIS 2009 but it lets you download some of the eicar tests on the top. I dont think there is a web shield. Also I was thinking of installing TF cause I am not sure about the HIPS in NIS. Any comments?" }-

Per my Screen shot a page or 2 back it is detecting Eicar just fine even pops up a nice little message.. maybe your settings are wacko ?

[Cloudcroft]

-{ Quote: "Norton Anti-Bot would be a good addition to NIS, if you feel you need extra protection. :P Otherwise, I think NIS is fine by it's self." }-
I was prompted to uninstall Norton Antibot before I could install NIS 2009, which has similar capabilities to NAB. I believe you can reinstall NAB after installing NIS 2009, but I don't think I'm going to, with the idea that it would be redundant.

[Halo326]

-{ Quote: "Per my Screen shot a page or 2 back it is detecting Eicar just fine even pops up a nice little message.. maybe your settings are wacko ?" }-


I get an alert for the eicar.com test but not for the zips. All settings are stock. Does anyone think TF or GesWall would be good with NIS? I was using Sandboxie before but I also unisntalled that along with Comodo and Avira. I downloaded the System Shutdown Simulator and NIS didnt give me an alert for the HIPS test.

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "I get an alert for the eicar.com test but not for the zips. All settings are stock. Does anyone think TF or GesWall would be good with NIS? I was using Sandboxie before but I also unisntalled that along with Comodo and Avira. I downloaded the System Shutdown Simulator and NIS didnt give me an alert for the HIPS test." }-

Try executing it. it still stops it plain and simple HTTP scanner for those kinds of things really is not useful as the simple fact is as soon as it try's to run it will be stopped in its tracks. no point in sweating over a HTTP scanner unless you just like the extra pop up. ;D

[Cloudcroft]

-{ Quote: "The streaming/pulse updates were working great yesterday - was auto updating my defs every few minutes. Longest time I noticed inbetween updates was 9 minutes.

Computer's been on all night/day today, and the last update was 7 hours ago.
LiveUpdate is not finding any new updates and I don't appear to be receiving any new streaming defs.

This is happening on both of my machines with NIS2009 on. Can anyone confirm?" }-
I had the situation with updates last night, but tonight I'm getting them every few minutes.

[Halo326]

True. Guess I was use to NOD32 and Avira with big red alerts. Are you using NIS alone or with something else? Man I loved Comodo but with it off my pc things run faster and smoother.

[Pseudo]

-{ Quote: "I was prompted to uninstall Norton Antibot before I could install NIS 2009, which has similar capabilities to NAB. I believe you can reinstall NAB after installing NIS 2009, but I don't think I'm going to, with the idea that it would be redundant." }-
I assumed they would specifically target compatibility for their own products; never mind then. :-\

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "True. Guess I was use to NOD32 and Avira with big red alerts. Are you using NIS alone or with something else? Man I loved Comodo but with it off my pc things run faster and smoother." }-

Trialing.. right now Alone. no need for anything else if you go over everything it offers it pretty much has layered security as is. no need for more as of yet.. then again I'm also not what you call Paranoid.

EDIT.

This is on my Test computer.. not my main system so please keep that in mind. Tho if it works well it may have a home on a few of my PC's

[Cloudcroft]

-{ Quote: "I assumed they would specifically target compatibility for their own products; never mind then. :-\" }-
I'm not sure if it's a compatibility problem, or just marketing, but I couldn't get NIS 2009 to install until I removed NAB. Someone in an earlier post said they're running NIS and NAB together with no problems. I hadn't made up my mind about renewing my NAB subscription when it expired, but now I'm going with the idea that I don't need it anymore, and save the bucks. ;D

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "I'm not sure if it's a compatibility problem, or just marketing, but I couldn't get NIS 2009 to install until I removed NAB. Someone in an earlier post said they're running NIS and NAB together with no problems. I hadn't made up my mind about renewing my NAB subscription when it expired, but now I'm going with the idea that I don't need it anymore, and save the bucks. ;D" }-

No you really don't need it as it will just become redundant if you do.. you can install NIS then install anti bot. But with NIS doing pretty much the same thing I see this as pointless.

[WigglyTheGreat]

I tested out NIS 2009 and it is indeed light and seems runs well, but I am not sure yet if I am gonna buy it. I currently use Eset Smart Security and it runs very well and is light on resources too. I would have to see how effective protection is before making any decision. It seems it doesn't have a web scanner like Eset has, but it's really not a deal breaker though. The pulse updates are sweet. I ran the beta for only a week before they put out the finished product so I got to check it out just a bit beforehand. $49.99 for NIS 2009 w/ a 3 user license is a pretty good deal.

A couple of quick questions: NIS 2009 seems to have a self protection option and I wonder how effective that is if anyone knows? Also I wonder how effective the firewall is on automatic mode?

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "I tested out NIS 2009 and it is indeed light and seems runs well, but I am not sure yet if I am gonna buy it. I currently use Eset Smart Security and it runs very well and is light on resources too. I would have to see how effective protection is before making any decision. It seems it doesn't have a web scanner like Eset has, but it's really not a deal breaker though. The pulse updates are sweet. I ran the beta for only a week before they put out the finished product so I got to check it out just a bit beforehand. $49.99 for NIS 2009 w/ a 3 user license is a pretty good deal.

A couple of quick questions: NIS 2009 seems to have a self protection option and I wonder how effective that is if anyone knows? Also I wonder how effective the firewall is on automatic mode?" }-

The firewall is just as good if not better then most out there in suites... as for the self protection from what I have seen its aggressive. its hard to get around it in other words.

[Cloudcroft]

-{ Quote: "No you really don't need it as it will just become redundant if you do.. you can install NIS then install anti bot. But with NIS doing pretty much the same thing I see this as pointless." }-
Yep, I believe redundant is the word I used in post 148....;D

[mvdu]

I admit to being paranoid. Look at my setup right now:

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1314795&postcount=3029

NIS though would probably be fine without Anti-Bot.

[shanep]

Hello everybody,

I am an architect at Symantec and I work on the team that builds our HTTP or Web scanning engines. I just wanted to clear up some confusion about whether or not Norton products have Web scanning engines.

The short answer is "yes" we do. In fact there are 5 independent engines that scan HTTP content.

1) There is the Intrusion Prevention (IPS) engine that scans for all types of HTTP based exploits. The engine has many 100s of generic vulnerability signatures that dont need to change often if at all since they target the vulnerability condition which doesn't change rather than the shell-code which does. New ones are added almost weekly. The list of signatures can be found at http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/attack_sigs/. Look under "H". Every signature prefixed with "HTTP_" is being scanned on HTTP traffic. Its also important to note that the IPS engine scans ALL traffic coming into or going out of your machine, not just HTTP.

2) Browser Protection - This engine is specifically targeted at obfuscated JScript/VBScript HTTP content that exploits vulnerabilities in ActiveX, DOM or even specific data-types like VML. Highly obfuscated attacks are difficult if not impossible to reliably detect by scanning network traffic or by scanning the files in the IE cache. Hence this uses a totally different approach to the problem. But the bottom line is that it is still will block content coming over HTTP before it exploits the browser.

3) Anti-Phishing Engine - Also scans HTTP content looking for phishing page characteristics.

4) Privacy Scanning engine
5) Parental Controls.

Engines 1 and 2 are targeted at blocking malware from automatically infecting your machine when you visit an infected web page. aka drive-by downloads.

NIS/NAV doesn't scan incoming HTTP traffic for a malicious PE files (portable executable file i..e exe, com etc). We dont see the value in doing that because ultimately that file will hit the disk and when it does, our real-time scanner Auto-Protect will catch it. Hence, as some users have reported, if you try to download eicar.zip from a remote site, it wont be detected until you open the zip up and extract the eicar.com. AutoProtect will detect and block it before you can execute it.

Hope this helps.

Best,

Shane.

[Cloudcroft]

Thanks Shane....great information!

[swisscoms]

Thank you very much Shane. I was sure you were offering the best possible protection. Congratulations on such a superb product. (NIS 2009). :)

[Halo326]

Something I just found out is that it protects your browser from unwanted changes. Try adding any Firefox plugin in or removing the ones you have. It doesn't work unless you temporarily disable NIS. Another good feature.

[DasFox]

-{ Quote: "this version of norton has the most protection in the market today. it breaking new technology outsmart eset, bit defender,trendmicro, mcaffe and kaspersky.

i will buy this product after my license expire next year." }-

And what is this claim based on?

I'd like to see this outdetect Avira...

Everyone's talking about all the cool goodies, but where's the detection ratings?

Also what's with this 5-15 min. updates? I mean what are developers sitting around coding new signatures 24/7? This is crazy signature updates don't need to occur every 15 mins...

If people think they need a new signature every 5 mins, there are some people that need to learn how to use their PC... :)

[doktornotor]

-{ Quote: "Something I just found out is that it protects your browser from unwanted changes. Try adding any Firefox plugin in or removing the ones you have. It doesn't work unless you temporarily disable NIS. Another good feature." }-

Erm, this is the default behaviour to silently block such stuff? Any way to make it prompt instead of block? Any way to make it go away altogether beyond disabling the whole thing temporarily (horrible "solution")?

I'd personally not call this a "good feature" but nasty annoyance and from developers' POV this is plain nightmare. There's nothing like getting flooded with "bug" reports such as "your addon/toolbar doesn't install, the addon/toolbar/browser is broken!" ::)

[NAMOR]

-{ Quote: "And what is this claim based on?

I'd like to see this outdetect Avira...

Everyone's talking about all the cool goodies, but where's the detection ratings?

Also what's with this 5-15 min. updates? I mean what are developers sitting around coding new signatures 24/7? This is crazy signature updates don't need to occur every 15 mins...

If people think they need a new signature every 5 mins, there are some people that need to learn how to use their PC... :)" }-


this is the newest test that I could find.

http://www.virusbtn.com/news/2008/09_02

[Longboard]

@shanep
Thanks for posting: care to validate your self in some way ?
:)

[Netherlands]

-{ Quote: "Hello everybody,

I am an architect at Symantec and I work on the team that builds our HTTP or Web scanning engines. I just wanted to clear up some confusion about whether or not Norton products have Web scanning engines.

The short answer is "yes" we do. In fact there are 5 independent engines that scan HTTP content.

1) There is the Intrusion Prevention (IPS) engine that scans for all types of HTTP based exploits. The engine has many 100s of generic vulnerability signatures that dont need to change often if at all since they target the vulnerability condition which doesn't change rather than the shell-code which does. New ones are added almost weekly. The list of signatures can be found at http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/attack_sigs/. Look under "H". Every signature prefixed with "HTTP_" is being scanned on HTTP traffic. Its also important to note that the IPS engine scans ALL traffic coming into or going out of your machine, not just HTTP.

2) Browser Protection - This engine is specifically targeted at obfuscated JScript/VBScript HTTP content that exploits vulnerabilities in ActiveX, DOM or even specific data-types like VML. Highly obfuscated attacks are difficult if not impossible to reliably detect by scanning network traffic or by scanning the files in the IE cache. Hence this uses a totally different approach to the problem. But the bottom line is that it is still will block content coming over HTTP before it exploits the browser.

3) Anti-Phishing Engine - Also scans HTTP content looking for phishing page characteristics.

4) Privacy Scanning engine
5) Parental Controls.

Engines 1 and 2 are targeted at blocking malware from automatically infecting your machine when you visit an infected web page. aka drive-by downloads.

NIS/NAV doesn't scan incoming HTTP traffic for a malicious PE files (portable executable file i..e exe, com etc). We dont see the value in doing that because ultimately that file will hit the disk and when it does, our real-time scanner Auto-Protect will catch it. Hence, as some users have reported, if you try to download eicar.zip from a remote site, it wont be detected until you open the zip up and extract the eicar.com. AutoProtect will detect and block it before you can execute it.

Hope this helps.

Best,

Shane." }-

Ok thanks for clearing things up. So it does not have how do you call it, a realtime malware http scanner. If i download virussamples (eicar or others) it does not block it at the http steam level but only detects it if it is downloaded on my computer.

Is there a reason that you didn't include blocking of all malware before it reaches the computer?

[Wunibald]

-{ Quote: "I was prompted to uninstall Norton Antibot before I could install NIS 2009, which has similar capabilities to NAB. I believe you can reinstall NAB after installing NIS 2009, but I don't think I'm going to, with the idea that it would be redundant." }-

Hello Quimby79,



Sorry about the frustration. I was not intentionally avoiding the question.



Of course you could add additional protection to keep yourself more secure and protected - adding an additional layer of protection.



Similar to keeping warm in the winter by adding additional layers of clothing for extra warmth, you could keep adding layers of protection (if they are compatible) to your computer to keep it more protected.



Some of the features may be redundant, but you would have two layers of Bot Protection if you installed both products.



I hope this answers your question. If not, please let me know.







Cheers,
Tim Lopez
Symantec Corporation

[Bunkhouse Buck]

-{ Quote: "And what is this claim based on?

I'd like to see this outdetect Avira...

Everyone's talking about all the cool goodies, but where's the detection ratings?

Also what's with this 5-15 min. updates? I mean what are developers sitting around coding new signatures 24/7? This is crazy signature updates don't need to occur every 15 mins...

If people think they need a new signature every 5 mins, there are some people that need to learn how to use their PC... :)" }-

If this is all you have as a critique of NIS 2009- you are grasping at straws.

[Bunkhouse Buck]

-{ Quote: "Ok thanks for clearing things up. So it does not have how do you call it, a realtime malware http scanner. If i download virussamples (eicar or others) it does not block it at the http steam level but only detects it if it is downloaded on my computer.

Is there a reason that you didn't include blocking of all malware before it reaches the computer?" }-

What difference does it make? Http scanning is not required and it is nothing more than a "feature" unsophisticated users like. If it cannot execute- it does not need to be stopped at the http stream level.

[Wunibald]

-{ Quote: "Erm, this is the default behaviour to silently block such stuff? Any way to make it prompt instead of block? Any way to make it go away altogether beyond disabling the whole thing temporarily (horrible "solution")?

I'd personally not call this a "good feature" but nasty annoyance and from developers' POV this is plain nightmare. There's nothing like getting flooded with "bug" reports such as "your addon/toolbar doesn't install, the addon/toolbar/browser is broken!" ::)" }-

Never mind. I just gave it a try and had no problem at all to install or uninstall addons in firefox.

[Wunibald]

-{ Quote: "What difference does it make? Http scanning is not required and it is nothing more than a "feature" unsophisticated users like. If it cannot execute- it does not need to be stopped at the http stream level." }-

That's true. But this way you could argue other things to be unnecessary. Mailscanners for example.

[Bunkhouse Buck]

-{ Quote: "That's true. But this way you could argue other things to be unnecessary. Mailscanners for example." }-

I would agree.

[Wunibald]

-{ Quote: "I would agree." }-

Me too, by the way. But mailscanners are not such a pain in the a** as fullblown hhtp-scanners are... ;D

[doktornotor]

-{ Quote: "Never mind. I just gave it a try and had no problem at all to install or uninstall addons in firefox." }-

Meh, OK... ;D

[Motherroad]

Installed with the community watch disabled and it still connects when the computer is idle. Checked the settings and it is off. Why give the option to install with it off and still have it on?

[Wunibald]

-{ Quote: "Installed with the community watch disabled and it still connects when the computer is idle. Checked the settings and it is off. Why give the option to install with it off and still have it on?" }-

Community watch enabled means that it sends infos to Symantec. Are you sure it actually SENDS?

[oliverjia]

Thank you.
Looks like NIS2009 reduced the resource usage a lot based on people's experience in here, but it seems that the detection rate is still not great. That's not surprising to me because considering the lousy detection rate of previous norton versions, I don't expect norton to be the first tie in terms of detection rate all of a sudden.


-{ Quote: "this is the newest test that I could find.

http://www.virusbtn.com/news/2008/09_02" }-

[trjam]

When you say lousy detection, what is that based on. I am not disputing your remark, but this is the quandry. Depending on where you go, some say great detection, some say bad.

[Wunibald]

-{ Quote: "Thank you.
but it seems that the detection rate is still not great. That's not surprising to me because considering the lousy detection rate of previous norton versions, I don't expect norton to be the first tie in terms of detection rate all of a sudden." }-

Well, come on.
They are better than Kaspersky, Bitdefender, Eset, McAfee, Panda...
None of them I would call "lousy".
Given the fact that for example Avira has next to no selfprotection at all (just an example) I wouldn't say detection rates are the only thing to look at.

These tests, especially considering detection rates, allways give a snapshot only.

[trjam]

I agree, I mean if we just look at detection, then based on this (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=219841), Prevx is just as good as Kaspersky and Eset.

[emperordarius]

-{ Quote: "I agree, I mean if we just look at detection, then based on this (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=219841), Prevx is just as good as Kaspersky and Eset." }-

They're just virustotal tests..

[trjam]

And, what is your point. I am just saying one place showing a product like Norton as very dismal at detection, and another showing it at the top.

[Ohmy]

I know Norton lost some weight.
But how about the quality?
Did the detection rate changed alot?
Thanks!

[Ade 1]

-{ Quote: "
Also what's with this 5-15 min. updates? I mean what are developers sitting around coding new signatures 24/7? This is crazy signature updates don't need to occur every 15 mins...

If people think they need a new signature every 5 mins, there are some people that need to learn how to use their PC... :)" }-

That's your opinion but some of us, me included, think that pulse updates is a great idea. And yes - virus labs are 24/7 - they have to be......calling frequent signature updates 'crazy' is for what purpose? I guess the security app you're using updates every 1 or 2 hours?

And stating we need to learn to use our PCs properly.....what you think we're constantly visiting 'dodgy' websites on purpose? The majority of us do use our PCs properly but doesn't mean we don't welcome fast and regular updates - particularly when it has no impact on performance - I'm not even aware Norton's updating - it's that light............

[Wunibald]

People complain about everything. If the updates come once daily, it's not often enough. If they come every few minutes, it's too often. That's bullc***.

[Victek123]

-{ Quote: "And what is this claim based on?

I'd like to see this outdetect Avira...

Everyone's talking about all the cool goodies, but where's the detection ratings?

Also what's with this 5-15 min. updates? I mean what are developers sitting around coding new signatures 24/7? This is crazy signature updates don't need to occur every 15 mins...

If people think they need a new signature every 5 mins, there are some people that need to learn how to use their PC... :)" }-

I'm surprised that you're criticizing the five minute update frequency. One of the big vulnerabilities of signature based detection is the lag-time between the appearance of new malware and the creation and distribution of a signature to detect that malware. Pulse updates is a dramatic step toward zero-day protection, which is very much needed.

Also, I find your statement that "people need to learn how to use their PC's" so they don't need frequent updates curious - what does this mean?

[hex_614]

norton is doing great...

[Wunibald]

-{ Quote: "
Also, I find your statement that "people need to learn how to use their PC's" so they don't need frequent updates curious - what does this mean?" }-

At least for the first part of the statement I think ist not completely wrong.
When I look around I see almost everybody running Windows XP with an Admin-account for example. I stopped commenting this a long time ago...

On the other hand I don't think this has anything to do with update frequency...

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "And what is this claim based on?

I'd like to see this outdetect Avira...

Everyone's talking about all the cool goodies, but where's the detection ratings?

Also what's with this 5-15 min. updates? I mean what are developers sitting around coding new signatures 24/7? This is crazy signature updates don't need to occur every 15 mins...

If people think they need a new signature every 5 mins, there are some people that need to learn how to use their PC... :)" }-


Why so harsh I use Avira my self also but am glad to see Norton pushing up where it should be

There has only been 1 test so far and it ranks within a . of a % of Avira the detection has went up the program it self is light as a feather and 8 Pages worth of praises from people that NORMALLY would hate Norton and the inherent bloat that comes with it. the plain simple fact is Norton has changed and changed big time.. yes it will take time for there rep to change but if people don't at least give it a chance they have no room to talk down on it. ::)

The main point is for once symantec has been listening to there customer base and I for one am happy to see it. ;D

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "Thank you.
Looks like NIS2009 reduced the resource usage a lot based on people's experience in here, but it seems that the detection rate is still not great. That's not surprising to me because considering the lousy detection rate of previous norton versions, I don't expect norton to be the first tie in terms of detection rate all of a sudden." }-

Detection rate of Malware is at 98.7% please explain to me how this is Not so great ?

[emperordarius]

Ok, I let Norton Internet Security 2009 in my friend's computer all the day long yesterday, default settings, more info here:http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1314293&postcount=94

I couldn't wait for the results. Made sure that Norton was updated. Ran a full scan. Nothing detected. So I took off his drive and plugged it in my computer. Run a scan of it with KIS. Results:


The list is longer...
I already removed norton from his computer and got KIS back.

[Wunibald]

So we have to believe you. At least as long as you cut of the important part of the screenshot... :-*

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "Ok, I let Norton Internet Security 2009 in my friend's computer all the day long yesterday, default settings, more info here:http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1314293&postcount=94

I couldn't wait for the results. Made sure that Norton was updated. Ran a full scan. Nothing detected. So I took off his drive and plugged it in my computer. Run a scan of it with KIS. Results:
202830

The list is longer...
I already removed norton from his computer and got KIS back." }-

I'm really curious how many of those were packed. (or siting dormant not executed) also I see its a lot of the same virus if you look at the names. this really proves nothing unfortunately but thanks for your time anyways. ;)


also your detection Date's don't match up with what you are saying =X I see from the 6th of July to the 29th of July.. :o care to explain ::)

[vijayind]

Obviously, emperordarius is trying to protect the folders from where the infections where found ;)
I think we discussed about this friend once earlier and how I do met on such specimen !!

Anyways, emperordarius could you list more clearly the name of the infection found. I am just curious, does norton miss rootkit based malware or even your plain-vanilla trojan programs ....

[Wunibald]

-{ Quote: " also I see its a lot of the same virus if you look at the names. " }-

What "names" are you talking about? I don't see a single one. :thumbd:

To be honest, I don't believe a single word of this story. 56(!!!) infections, and Norton not to find ONE of them? LOL
Some stupid story, if you ask me. I tend to write something more explicit, but I'll let it be this way.

I used NIS Norton 2008 almost one year and regularly checked with Kaspersky's Online-Scan. Guess how many infections Kaspersky found that NIS didn't...

[Wunibald]

-{ Quote: "
also your detection Date's don't match up with what you are saying =X I see from the 6th of July to the 29th of July.. :o care to explain ::) " }-

ROFL ;D

[tsilo]

lol, try Avira after kaspersky and you will remove it too...::)

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "What "names" are you talking about? I don't see a single one. :thumbd:

To be honest, I don't believe a single word of this story. 56(!!!) infections, and Norton not to find ONE of them? LOL
Some stupid story, if you ask me. I tend to write something more explicit, but I'll let it be this way.

I used NIS Norton 2008 almost one year and regularly checked with Kaspersky's Online-Scan. Guess how many infections Kaspersky found that NIS didn't..." }-

Off to the side of the image you see 2 letters and the same 2 letters multiple times.. my funny thing is LOOK AT THIS :o

202831

[C.S.J]

I thought this was a norton thread.....

[emperordarius]

202833

[WigglyTheGreat]

My current security suite runs out in November and by then I will have to decide what to use. Right now I would go with NIS 2009 b/c it has good protection and is light on resources. A security software simply having the best detection is not necessarily the one I would choose unless it runs very light too. By November when I need to decide I should have a better grasp on how all the suites perform and can make a decision then.

[Wunibald]

@emperordarius

Most of these trojans are older than five years!!!

I don't belive a single word of your story.

[djohn]

I never bad mouthed norton but had good reason to do so from past experiences.I would not have believed how light Norton 2009 unless experienced my self as I am doing now.Truly remarkebale compared to past version and its about time.:thumb:

[emperordarius]

-{ Quote: "@emperordarius

Most of these trojans are older than five years!!!

I don't belive a single word of your story." }-

I'm sorry I confused logs the log that I posted after is the right one

[Wunibald]

-{ Quote: "I'm sorry I confused logs the log that I posted after is the right one" }-

Yes, and that is the one I checked!

[vijayind]

Just looked up,Backdoor.Win32.Delf.bf and my recollection was right. Its a old trojan backdoor .... :o
see: http://www.viruslist.com/en/viruses/encyclopedia?virusid=43368
-{ Quote: "
Backdoor.Win32.Delf.bf (Kaspersky Lab) is also known as: Backdoor.Delf.bf (Kaspersky Lab), BackDoor-ADB (McAfee), Backdoor.Trojan.Client (Symantec), BackDoor.Webcam (Doctor Web), Troj/Delf-BF (Sophos), Backdoor:Win32/Delf.BF (RAV), BKDR_DELF.BF (Trend Micro), BDC/Delf.BF (H+BEDV), Win32:Trojan-gen. (ALWIL), BackDoor.Delf (Grisoft), Backdoor.Delf.BF (SOFTWIN), Backdoor Program (Panda), Win32/Delf.BF (Eset)
Detection added Nov 06 2005 03:27 GMT
Update released Nov 06 2005 04:32 GMT
" }-

But if you look at Symantec site for the same:
http://www.symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2001-072718-4049-99

-{ Quote: "
* Initial Rapid Release version July 25, 2001
* Latest Rapid Release version September 6, 2008 revision 016
* Initial Daily Certified version July 25, 2001
* Latest Daily Certified version September 6, 2008 revision 009
* Initial Weekly Certified release date July 25, 2001
" }-

It appears Symantec signatures are less generic. So maybe thats why they were missed :doubt: But since Symantec has a common naming branch, I could be wrong. Still update were given on 6th and still scan fails on 10/11 th ??
Also in beta, I found that System Protection of Norton was not very good. Maybe some malware compromised it, allowing such ancient infections to still propagate. I can't see any such powerful spyware/malware which is intelligent enough to do that from that list given. :dry:

EDIT:
It seems there is a Vundo infection here. So maybe theory 2 is correct.

[Wunibald]

-{ Quote: "
It appears Symantec signatures are less generic. So maybe thats why they were missed :doubt:
" }-

Forget it. They were not. This guy is simply full of of sh**...

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "202833" }-

Ok dude enough is enough.

202834

EDIT.

Also just a FYI if any of those files were EXECUTED.. They would of been stopped by Norton.. I'm sorry dude you lost all creditably with me ;(

[emperordarius]

-{ Quote: "Ok dude enough is enough.

202834" }-

I'm serious. I don't wanna lie anyone. As I said he downloads all kind of dangeorus stuff. He's a script kiddie, and often deals with infected files. But that doesn't change the fact that Norton didn't detect the file (if it did it would have automatically deleted it. Don't believe me if you don't want to.:-\

[larryb52]

-{ Quote: "So we have to believe you. At least as long as you cut of the important part of the screenshot... :-*" }-


he didn't say that the list were FP's :)

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "I'm serious. I don't wanna lie anyone. As I said he downloads all kind of dangeorus stuff. He's a script kiddie, and often deals with infected files. But that doesn't change the fact that Norton didn't detect the file (if it did it would have automatically deleted it. Don't believe me if you don't want to.:-\" }-

OK then show me the FULL Image including the DETECTED DATES by kaspersky and the Files. im sorry dude but the evidence you have provided shows nothing accept gaps in what you are telling us.

The first image you showed us was July 2nd Thur the 29th then the 2nd one you show us has everything in folder USER and all by the name of the Trojans and for a fact I know 3 of those ARE DETECTED by Norton. as I just passed them Thur my test computer. your friend aint the only one that has a source for samples.

[Wunibald]

Wow, the story gets even better. ::)

So your friend is a "script-kid", collecting malware dating back to 2002 on his desktop. And wait, yeah, he is running no security software at all. So wait a minute, and you installed NIS 2009 and it didn't find a single one of these legendary threads. WOW!
And now the best part begins. You plug the harddisk at your PC and Kaspersky seems to have disinfected these files already two month ago!!! MAN, this I call proactive protection... :thumb:

[vijayind]

Ok, just looked it up.
It seems there is a Vundo infection here
Win32.Mondera.gen = Vundo
see: http://www.threatexpert.com/report.aspx?uid=37c55c32-7be6-4a38-84ad-5fd402646ab7
http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/virusenc/virusencinfo.htm?VirusName=Trojan:Win32/Vundo.gen!O

So I think, it may be true. Vundo based malware use exploits/vulnerability for propagation and some are able to disable services.

Hence Norton was blindsighted/disabled mostly. If you had run a scan via Norton Recovery Tool (http://www.symantec.com/norton/support/kb/web_view.jsp?wv_type=public_web&ssfromlink=true&sprt_cid=743101c2-6826-4a46-8308-942d7d60a07b&docurl=20080612122232EN), probably same would have been caught. And since your friend had Windows Update disabled since a long time, I think it becomes even more simple.

[mvdu]

Avira, Kaspersky, and Norton are all good. I like Kaspersky because of its long record of excellence, and for me, it HAS found stuff that Norton didn't. That doesn't mean that Kaspersky is perfect and Norton has bad detection.. the gap is closing in fact, but I still give Kaspersky the edge.

Also, on my computer, NIS 2009 didn't slow me down less than others.

[emperordarius]

-{ Quote: "OK then show me the FULL Image including the DETECTED DATES by kaspersky and the Files. im sorry dude but the evidence you have provided shows nothing accept gaps in what you are telling us.

The first image you showed us was July 2nd Thur the 29th then the 2nd one you show us has everything in folder USER and all by the name of the Trojans and for a fact I know 3 of those ARE DETECTED by Norton. as I just passed them Thur my test computer. your friend aint the only one that has a source for samples." }-

Here: 202838
You know what, let's close this discussion. It's my fault that I bothered making this test.

[mvdu]

This is now A vs. B bigtime - lol.

Let's not take security personally. It's not just with Norton, but with all security products - people don't want to believe one bad thing about their security product.

[emperordarius]

-{ Quote: "This is now A vs. B bigtime - lol.

Let's not take security personally. It's not just with Norton, but with all security products - people don't want to believe one bad thing about their security product." }-

Man I'm not saying anything, I'm not trying to compare anything. I just wanted to test the new norton on my friend's pc. I'm not saying that norton is not good and kaspersky is or something like that. But let's close this discussion now. I won't bother making anymore tests.

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "Here: 202838
You know what, let's close this discussion." }-

Agreed bro.

-{ Quote: "This is now A vs. B bigtime - lol.

Let's not take security personally. It's not just with Norton, but with all security products - people don't want to believe one bad thing about their security product." }-

Guess it could be consider that.. but for someone to have to believe it about there security product is they would have to use it.. My self I currently use whats in my sig on my main system.. tho Norton is on the test computer and running good there.

as for now back on topic which is how norton is running and its release.

[larryb52]

-{ Quote: "Man I'm not saying anything, I'm not trying to compare anything. " }-


I'm sorry but your a Fanboy so all I can say is baloney, your history will prove me correct. According to you everybodies AV "other' than the big K is garbage, you should at least level there & I'm sorry I still have strong doubts what your claiming is 'totally' true...also FWIW ALL av's miss something but if a AV was poor as you claim Norton is it wouldn't miss ALL those...

[mvdu]

I'm not saying the test isn't legit. Norton could have missed those - it happens. But yes, this is now A vs. B.

[emperordarius]

-{ Quote: "I'm sorry but your a Fanboy so all I can say is baloney, your history will prove me correct. According to you everybodies AV "other' than the big K is garbage, you should at least level there & I'm sorry I still have strong doubts what your claiming is 'totally' true...also FWIW ALL av's miss something but if a AV was poor as you claim Norton is it wouldn't miss ALL those..." }-

I have simply chosen Kaspersky because for me it is the best overall, at least from the ones I tried. The same reason why almost everyone uses a particular antivirus, not just a random one. And I never said that all avs are garbage while K is the best. I'm sorry if I'm not one of those that says "all antiviruses are good" or "all antiviruses are pretty much the same" because in my opinion it's not true. But please let's stop now. game over.

[Wunibald]

-{ Quote: "I'm not saying the test isn't legit. Norton could have missed those " }-

54 of 54??? Come on... As said before, some of these date back to 2002 and even ClamWin will find them!

Somebody should get some samples and try to reproduce these results. I'm too lazy to do so... :shifty:

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "I'm not saying the test isn't legit. Norton could have missed those - it happens. But yes, this is now A vs. B." }-

Lets fix that ;D

So far day 3 still running fast and light utorrent seems to be giving it no problem long with the constant file transfers that the Test computer receives from my self along my wife and kids. seems to be holding up to punishment. 8)

[larryb52]

-{ Quote: "I have simply chosen Kaspersky because for me it is the best overall, at least from the ones I tried. The same reason why almost everyone uses a particular antivirus, not just a random one. And I never said that all avs are garbage while K is the best. I'm sorry if I'm not one of those that says "all antiviruses are good" or "all antiviruses are pretty much the same" because in my opinion it's not true. But please let's stop now. game over." }-


no not game over or you would of never started the 'norton stinks test'...it was a topic about Norton & not what was wrong with it, If you want to bash Norton & have empirical proof fine. I suggest you get a webpage & publish your findings but it's insulting to come here claim THIS is garbage & or course MINE found it... on that note let's move on & talk about the product(Norton 2009) itself. On tests I think Norton over the years has proven it has 'pretty good' results and these are well repects tests...

[doktornotor]

-{ Quote: "If you want to bash Norton & have empirical proof fine. I suggest you get a webpage & publish your findings" }-

Already been done quite some time ago (http://symantec-sucks.blogspot.com/)... :P Including all the screenshots of all those fabulous Norton bugs. ::)

[oliverjia]

heck, I will not make any comments about norton in this forum anymore after this last one. Yes, norton is much lighter than previous versions which is very good. But, I would not blindly say that norton is one of the best NOW.
I saw norton was disabled by viruses in a couple of my friends' laptops. I was a fan of Norton back in 2002 and 2003, but more and more friends' computers got infected with norton installed so I went to KAV. Unfortunately, I don't like its iswift, so I am relying on F-Secure adn Avira now.
So people, if you believe an AV is the best, then use it but please don't make anouncement such as norton is one of the best now, wow, etc. Without a long time of real life experience, your anouncement that nis2009, which was just released a couple a days ago, is the best, has not much credit, or at least not convincable.

[Bunkhouse Buck]

-{ Quote: "I'm sorry but your a Fanboy so all I can say is baloney, your history will prove me correct. According to you everybodies AV "other' than the big K is garbage, you should at least level there & I'm sorry I still have strong doubts what your claiming is 'totally' true...also FWIW ALL av's miss something but if a AV was poor as you claim Norton is it wouldn't miss ALL those..." }-

He has been a fanboy for Kaspersky for a long time. There is of course a bias, and I suspect he may be a shill for Kaspersky. Kaspersky in the tests I value, is about an average AV. In terms of heuristics, it is a poor AV. The fact that NIS 2009 may have achieved something significant is too much for him (or them) to handle and hence the constant critique of it's shortcomings (alleged but not proven empirically).

[larryb52]

-{ Quote: "Already been done quite some time ago (http://symantec-sucks.blogspot.com/)... :P Including all the screenshots of all those fabulous Norton bugs. ::)" }-


your posts are worthless you bash everything, have a nice day :)

[larryb52]

-{ Quote: "He has been a fanboy for Kaspersky for a long time. There is of course a bias, and I suspect he may be a shill for Kaspersky. Kaspersky in the tests I value, is about an average AV. In terms of heuristics, it is a poor AV. The fact that NIS 2009 may have achieved something significant, is too much for him (or them) to handle." }-


I totally agree & while I 'did' test norton I complained about a couple things (why I didn't get a free license & I really don't care & no I didn't buy it..well yet) they did fix those & I think it's a solid product, to be honest & I'm not A_B comparing I like Nod32 Smart Security & 2009 F-Secure & yes I know it runs the definitions of the big K but it's the deep gurad I like. I like nortons sonar, it's still early but this will prove to be the big calling card for them in the way as heuistics...

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "heck, I will not make any comments about norton in this forum anymore after this last one. Yes, norton is much lighter than previous versions which is very good. But, I would not blindly say that norton is one of the best NOW.
I saw norton was disabled by viruses in a couple of my friends' laptops. I was a fan of Norton back in 2002 and 2003, but more and more friends' computers got infected with norton installed so I went to KAV. Unfortunately, I don't like its iswift, so I am relying on F-Secure adn Avira now.
So people, if you believe an AV is the best, then use it but please don't make anouncement such as norton is one of the best now, wow, etc. Without a long time of real life experience, your anouncement that nis2009, which was just released a couple a days ago, is the best, has not much credit, or at least not convincable." }-

I don't really see a lot of people saying its the best.. but it is defiantly in the 2nd to the top if not the top tier of AV's the reason Norton is getting such attention is because for once they listioned. and did a good job the fact is people seem to really want to give norton a 2nd chance. and I say let them a company can change just like anyone else. as for the time. the tests seem to back that. ;)

[doktornotor]

-{ Quote: "your posts are worthless you bash everything, have a nice day :)" }-

Yeah, documenting bugs unsolved for ages is worthless, while your fanboy screaming is extremely useful. Have a nice day indeed and think twice next time before asking someone to document Norton's suckage, it's documented all over the web. ::)

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "Yeah, documenting bugs unsolved for ages is worthless, while your fanboy screaming is extremely useful. Have a nice day indeed and think twice next time before asking someone to document Norton's suckage, it's documented all over the web. ::)" }-

So are many top AV's out there.. back on topic :P

[larryb52]

-{ Quote: "Yeah, documenting bugs unsolved for ages is worthless, while your fanboy screaming is extremely useful. Have a nice day indeed and think twice next time before asking someone to document Norton's suckage, it's documented all over the web. ::)" }-


the only fanboy I'm for is the security product called 'common sense' & that I use everyday. Security software is but an extension of your ability to use your common sense to interpret what the security software is tellling you. If you think I mindlessly believe any AV you are kidding yourself, I'm my best line of defense...

[Bunkhouse Buck]

-{ Quote: "I totally agree & while I 'did' test norton I complained about a couple things (why I didn't get a free license & I really don't care & no I didn't buy it..well yet) they did fix those & I think it's a solid product, to be honest & I'm not A_B comparing I like Nod32 Smart Security & 2009 F-Secure & yes I know it runs the definitions of the big K but it's the deep gurad I like. I like nortons sonar, it's still early but this will prove to be the big calling card for them in the way as heuistics..." }-

I made several comments about the need for Norton to vastly improve their heuristics a while back here as well as the Symantec forum. To me, the heuristics have to be a lot better than in prior tests, or I will think seriously about returning to Avira or Dr. Web. But with these other innovations, I suspect they will be better.

[Bunkhouse Buck]

-{ Quote: "the only fanboy I'm for is the security product called 'common sense' & that I use everyday. Security software is but an extension of your ability to use your common sense to interpret what the security software is tellling you. If you think I mindlessly believe any AV you are kidding yourself, I'm my best line of defense..." }-

Your brain has always been the best line of defense and common sense is not so common it appears with horror stories about infections, etc. I have never had a virus since I used my first PC in 1980 (Apple). I am as high a risk user as there is, but never had a problem. But, I am also smart enough to not take obvious risks.

[swisscoms]

I think it's important that everyone have their favorite security solution. However, I think this whole thread is aimed at the fact that Norton have made huge strides over the last year to introduce top notch protection for us. They deserve credit for that.

[larryb52]

-{ Quote: "I made several comments about the need for Norton to vastly improve their heuristics a while back here as well as the Symantec forum. To me, the heuristics have to be a lot better than in prior tests, or I will think seriously about returning to Avira or Dr. Web. But with these other innovations, I suspect they will be better." }-


they will be better to what degree is the question that will probably not be fully answered for about a year...

[StevieE9]

-{ Quote: "Norton have made huge strides over the last year to introduce top notch protection for us. They deserve credit for that." }-

Considering that other software developers have done a lot better - in freeware products - doesn't say much for Norton since they have an income stream of 100s of millions of £s a year and still can't get to the same level as many freeware products.

[Wunibald]

-{ Quote: "Considering that other software developers have done a lot better - in freeware products - doesn't say much for Norton since they have an income stream of 100s of millions of £s a year and still can't get to the same level as many freeware products." }-

Did you actually check NIS 2009? So call us ONE SINGLE freeware product that does better! I'll be happy to use it. :thumb:

[Graystoke]

Please let's stop comparing NIS/NAV 2009 to Kaspersky, or any other AV/Suite in this thread. You know if this continues, the thread will be closed.

This is a thread about the new Norton product. I'm using it, and I'm interested in what others are saying about it. I'd hate to see the mods close it because of arguments over which is better, A or B.

By the way, NIS 2009 is running very nice on my computer. Loads fast at start up, no browser slow downs, and I like the streaming/pulse updates. It's heads above previous Norton versions.

[Coolio10]

-{ Quote: "Already been done quite some time ago (http://symantec-sucks.blogspot.com/)... :P Including all the screenshots of all those fabulous Norton bugs. ::)" }-
Thanks for showing us your webpage :D.

[swisscoms]

-{ Quote: "Considering that other software developers have done a lot better - in freeware products - doesn't say much for Norton since they have an income stream of 100s of millions of £s a year and still can't get to the same level as many freeware products." }-

LOL - surely you jest Sir! ;D

[Bunkhouse Buck]

-{ Quote: "they will be better to what degree is the question that will probably not be fully answered for about a year..." }-

I agree.

[LowWaterMark]

-{ Quote: "Please let's stop comparing NIS/NAV 2009 to..." }-Agreed. Anyway, you all have pretty much "self corrected" at this point. ;)

There really is no good reason to bring in other products when posting in a "release announcements" thread. The point of such a thread is to let people know that a new product version has come out... to discuss the new version's improvements, changes or yes, even bugs... to ask about how it runs, handles, if it's heavier or lighter than it was before, and all that kind of thing.

Posting that the product is therefore "better than" XYZ, or the reverse, that you think ABC is better than this, is really off the topic, and it only causes a riot as defenders and detracters decide to fight it out.

Let the people who are interested in this release talk about it, without starting arguments about other products. This is a Norton thread after all.

[Bunkhouse Buck]

-{ Quote: "Please let's stop comparing NIS/NAV 2009 to Kaspersky, or any other AV/Suite in this thread. You know if this continues, the thread will be closed.

This is a thread about the new Norton product. I'm using it, and I'm interested in what others are saying about it. I'd hate to see the mods close it because of arguments over which is better, A or B.

By the way, NIS 2009 is running very nice on my computer. Loads fast at start up, no browser slow downs, and I like the streaming/pulse updates. It's heads above previous Norton versions." }-

We are talking about Norton, but the Kaspersky shill/bashers (and some others) have to get their shots in. NIS 2009 is awesome, and I have been using Avira mostly for the past two years. I can tell you, NIS 2009 runs lighter. So let's keep the thread open, and get out the bashers.

[Edwin024]

doktornotor has a site full of NIS2008 ****...we are talking about a totally new product with the numbers 2009 on it. And SteveE clearly has no idea what he is talking about for sure too. Comparing this new NIS to freeware is a joke. Maybe they need a ban from this specif thread :)

[doktornotor]

-{ Quote: "doktornotor has a site full of NIS2008 ****...we are talking about a totally new product with the numbers 2009 on it." }-

LMAO, paranoia FTW. That ain't even my site. (Though, I could produce similar one after my nightmare SEP11 experience). :P