amazing!!!! AntiVirusKit 2009 rc1 uses BD and avast engine

[shi007]

amazing!!!! AntiVirusKit 2009 rc1 uses BD and avast engines

http://www.2and2.net/files/48b1a5bd0ce5f.jpg

[cupez80]

AVK have used Avast n BD engine since previous version :D not only 2009 version

[s4u]

Are you sure?
I thought it was KAV instead of BD

[lodore]

where do i download this beta from?

[Ro4dRuNn3r]

-{ Quote: "where do i download this beta from?" }-
You can find GDATA Antivirus 2009 Beta 7 GERMAN here. http://www.rokop-security.de/index.php?s=&showtopic=17081&view=findpost&p=245463

[i_g]

-{ Quote: "AVK have used Avast n BD engine since previous version :D not only 2009 version" }-
I think it was only in the server version - the consumer version used avast! and Kaspersky engines.

[vijayind]

-{ Quote: "Are you sure?
I thought it was KAV instead of BD" }-
That's what I thought too. Till 2008, they were using KAV v6 and AVAST (See here (http://www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/ergebnisse/report17.pdf)).

But now it looks like they changed ship to BD. But if I remember correctly, they were using BD in long back in 2005. I never tried AVK after that.

Looks like AVK uses KAV and BD every alternative year, to ensure new products ;D

[Macstorm]

-{ Quote: "amazing!!!! AntiVirusKit 2009 rc1 uses BD and avast engine" }-
wonder 1st post but too much drink, my friend ::)

GData AV 2009 RC1 uses the same engines as in v.2008 - Kav & Avast

welcome to wilders :)

[vijayind]

-{ Quote: "I think it was only in the server version - the consumer version used avast! and Kaspersky engines." }-

Don't know, but I remember that AVK 2005 had BD and KAV both :o

See here (http://antivirus.about.com/od/antivirussoftwarereviews/a/avk2005.htm)

[vijayind]

-{ Quote: "You can find GDATA Antivirus 2009 Beta 7 GERMAN here. http://www.rokop-security.de/index.php?s=&showtopic=17081&view=findpost&p=245463" }-
Thanks,Ro4dRuNn3r. Have you tried it ?? If yes, any feedback ;)

[Ro4dRuNn3r]

-{ Quote: "Thanks,Ro4dRuNn3r. Have you tried it ?? If yes, any feedback ;)" }-
I didn't see it, RC1 is out. http://www.rokop-security.de/index.php?s=&showtopic=17081&view=findpost&p=245628

@t vijayind
Sorry, i haven't tried it. But the peoples writing only good things about RC1.

[shi007]

try this one

Setup：
http://mirror02.gdata.de/dl_users/qs/BETA/2009/GDTC2009_GER_RC1.exe

ISO:
http://mirror02.gdata.de/dl_users/qs/BETA/2009/GDTC2009GER.ISO

[Ro4dRuNn3r]

@t shi007
the same you can find in my link.... ::)

[vijayind]

-{ Quote: "I didn't see it, RC1 is out. http://www.rokop-security.de/index.php?s=&showtopic=17081&view=findpost&p=245628

@t vijayind
Sorry, i haven't tried it. But the peoples writing only good things about RC1." }-

Don't worry, I scrolled down to see the link. Thanks :thumb:
Just wanted your opinion. I haven't been able to find a English version. Else I might be tempted ;)

I got this off the forum (translated to english):
-{ Quote: "New features:
- Improved GUI
- Extended Registry monitoring => active mark commodity is recognized (behaviour analysis)
- Scanner was optimized (performance improved)
- Root kit scanners: Active root kits can be recognized
- new TDI driver for the HTTP processing" }-

I was hoping its not a resource hog like AVK 2008. But just came across a post, that said it uses 120 MB (http://www.rokop-security.de/index.php?showtopic=17081&view=findpost&p=241413) !!

[Ro4dRuNn3r]

-{ Quote: "
I was hoping its not a resource hog like AVK 2008. But just came across a post, that said it uses 120 MB (http://www.rokop-security.de/index.php?showtopic=17081&view=findpost&p=241413) !!" }- He write something about 200MB. http://www.rokop-security.de/index.php?s=&showtopic=17081&view=findpost&p=245833
Definitively too much. That's why i don't wanna use it.

[lodore]

242MB installer *faints*
jokes aside ill test in a virtual machine.

[vijayind]

-{ Quote: "He write something about 200MB. http://www.rokop-security.de/index.php?s=&showtopic=17081&view=findpost&p=245833
Definitively too much. That's why i don't wanna use it." }-
:o
Damn !! Looks like AVK 2009 is a super-computer only product !!
I normally beta test almost every AV product, but on this one I am with you :thumb:

[vijayind]

-{ Quote: "242MB installer *faints*
jokes aside ill test in a virtual machine." }-
Sure, expecting your feedback ...:)

By the way, how much RAM have got ? Running VM with AVK taking over 200 MB ???
I got 2GB, I ain't going to risk with AVK :ouch:

[lodore]

-{ Quote: "Sure, expecting your feedback ...:)

By the way, how much RAM have got ? Running VM with AVK taking over 200 MB ???
I got 2GB, I ain't going to risk with AVK :ouch:" }-
from the bits of german i could understand the os im trying to install it on isnt compatible, supported OS's vista and minimum windows xp sp2
i was trying to install on windows 2000 pro.
may image and try on vista tomorrow.
is there any english rc1 installers?

[andylau]

-{ Quote: "wonder 1st post but too much drink, my friend ::)

GData AV 2009 RC1 uses the same engines as in v.2008 - Kav & Avast

welcome to wilders :)" }-
No!

GData AV 2009 RC1 uses BD & Avast engines8)

[Jin K]

-{ Quote: "No!

GData AV 2009 RC1 uses BD & Avast engines8)" }-

i dont know but i think that they must keep the kav engine ::)

[NAMOR]

-{ Quote: "No!

GData AV 2009 RC1 uses BD & Avast engines8)" }-



Is this RC for the home user or business user?

From this post it looks like the Corp version uses different engines.
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1121085&postcount=7

[Macstorm]

-{ Quote: "No!

GData AV 2009 RC1 uses BD & Avast engines8)" }-
discuss it with the GData staff then ;)
-{ Quote: " (1) Engines:
It is the same engines as in the 2008er versions (Kaspersky engine and Avast engine).

(2) Multithreading:
In the 2009er product generation scan the engines, each in its own thread, which of course multi-core processors." }-
Link (http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.rokop-security.de/index.php%3Fshowtopic%3D17081&usg=ALkJrhh4A6xQeQ1yrL_nVhPzlPu7O3wxqA) - post #23 (link & quote above, courtesy Google Translate)

[Macstorm]

-{ Quote: "is there any english rc1 installers?" }-
Not yet, unfortunately.

[andylau]

-{ Quote: "Is this RC for the home user or business user?

From this post it looks like the Corp version uses different engines.
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1121085&postcount=7" }-
home user

yes, Corp version uses Avast+F-Prot

[andylau]

-{ Quote: "discuss it with the GData staff then ;)

Link (http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.rokop-security.de/index.php%3Fshowtopic%3D17081&usg=ALkJrhh4A6xQeQ1yrL_nVhPzlPu7O3wxqA) - post #23 (link & quote above, courtesy Google Translate)" }-
From Beta 1 to 6, it used KAV engine
But starts from Beta 7, it changes to BD engine

#23 said abut beta 1 only

Simply, you can just download the installers of beta 1 and rc1, then install or unpack them and compare, you will know the answer8)

There is a pic (http://www.uploadfx.com/pics/a8f07af7c9e6a29baa8e6a46903aacb9.png) of unpacked file of rc1

[vijayind]

-{ Quote: "From Beta 1 to 6, it used KAV engine
But starts from Beta 7, it changes to BD engine

#23 said abut beta 1 only

Simply, you can just download the installers of beta 1 and rc1, then install or unpack them and compare, you will know the answer8)

There is a pic (http://www.uploadfx.com/pics/a8f07af7c9e6a29baa8e6a46903aacb9.png) of unpacked file of rc1" }-

Now that's active development !! 8)

So after the infusion of BD engine, does AVK 2009 still eat up 200 MB of memory ? :wacko:

[Ro4dRuNn3r]

-{ Quote: "
So after the infusion of BD engine, does AVK 2009 still eat up 200 MB of memory ? :wacko:" }-Yes, i think so. And remember, its only the AV Version. :blink: Can't imagine how much Total Care consume it.... :wacko:

[vijayind]

-{ Quote: "Yes, i think so. And remember, its only the AV Version. :blink: Can't imagine how much Total Care consume it.... :wacko:" }-
Seriously, what is GData thinking ?? ???
They can't be serious about a product which takes so much resources >:( , unless IBM decided to install it on the BIG BLUE supercomputer !!

[doktornotor]

-{ Quote: "Seriously, what is GData thinking ?? ??? " }-

They are trying to get acquired by Symantec, perhaps? :P ;D

[nasdaqms]

-{ Quote: "I didn't see it, RC1 is out. http://www.rokop-security.de/index.php?s=&showtopic=17081&view=findpost&p=245628

@t vijayind
Sorry, i haven't tried it. But the peoples writing only good things about RC1." }-
my god!german!i don't really understand it,can you show the english links?
confusing about the language!!

[vijayind]

-{ Quote: "my god!german!i don't really understand it,can you show the english links?
confusing about the language!!" }-
Use Yahoo! Babel Fish (http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rokop-security.de%2Findex.php%3Fshowtopic%3D17081&lp=de_en&btnTrUrl=Translate)

For now no English Forum or installer from GData.

[Firecat]

What is interesting is the dropping of the KAV engine - GDATA has been one of the longest running OEM partners for Kaspersky. Either they found a severe bug in the engine due to which they decided to hold off the Kaspersky engine for a while, or they were not happy with Kaspersky......

[vijayind]

-{ Quote: "What is interesting is the dropping of the KAV engine - GDATA has been one of the longest running OEM partners for Kaspersky. Either they found a severe bug in the engine due to which they decided to hold off the Kaspersky engine for a while, or they were not happy with Kaspersky......" }-

My guess is that they got feed-up with KAV v6, since Kaspersky hasn't licensed KAV v7/8 engines till now ( probably to protect their own product line).

[Ro4dRuNn3r]

RC2 is out http://www.rokop-security.de/index.php?s=&showtopic=17081&view=findpost&p=246082

Sorry guys, only in German available. :P (good time to learn german ;))

[lodore]

the choice of engines makes sence IMO.
bitdefender has decent heristics and avast is a very good signiture scanner. together make a great team
i still prefer to use one engine products since its less load on the system and if it misses anything i can send it to the vendor.

[emperordarius]

-{ Quote: "the choice of engines makes sence IMO.
bitdefender has decent heristics and avast is a very good signiture scanner. together make a great team
i still prefer to use one engine products since its less load on the system and if it misses anything i can send it to the vendor." }-

I think Kav/BitD was a better combo. Still it looks like the program is very heavy. Anyone tried using only one engine for real time protection, and both for Scanning(if that is possible)?

[tiagozt]

-{ Quote: "What is interesting is the dropping of the KAV engine - GDATA has been one of the longest running OEM partners for Kaspersky. Either they found a severe bug in the engine due to which they decided to hold off the Kaspersky engine for a while, or they were not happy with Kaspersky......" }-

The only reason is: low cost.

It will probably put GDATA down in new ranking... :|

Very bad choice...

[lodore]

-{ Quote: "I think Kav/BitD was a better combo. Still it looks like the program is very heavy. Anyone tried using only one engine for real time protection, and both for Scanning(if that is possible)?" }-
i can see your point and i agree.

[i_g]

-{ Quote: "The only reason is: low cost.

It will probably put GDATA down in new ranking... :|

Very bad choice..." }-

It might be surprising for you, but GDATA people are watching the detections of the particular engines - and they select the engines that give best results together (which doesn't have to include the best single engine, whatever it might be).

So, I don't think you have any objective data for your hypothesis, do you? ;D

[Firecat]

-{ Quote: "The only reason is: low cost.

It will probably put GDATA down in new ranking... :|

Very bad choice..." }-
Nope, if it was the matter of cost then solely one "long-term trust" basis they'd already be paying lower for licensing the Kaspersky engine than others would. I suspect something else is the matter.....either way it is a good thing, because the exit of more such vendors will hopefully prompt Kaspersky to update that ageing SDK engine of theirs......:)

[lodore]

Hello,
seems people werent kidding about memory usage
doesnt seem to slow my computer down.
i still dont think two engine av's are really needed for home users.
maybe multiple engines but not two av's

[doktornotor]

-{ Quote: "Hello,
seems people werent kidding about memory usage
" }-

270+ MB?! ZOMG... :thumbd: :wacko: :ouch:

[vijayind]

-{ Quote: "Hello,
seems people werent kidding about memory usage
doesnt seem to slow my computer down.
i still dont think two engine av's are really needed for home users.
maybe multiple engines but not two av's" }-
Can you run a single engine/AV in realtime ? If yes, does it lower the memory usage ?

Thanks for the shot. (ouch.jpg ;D )

[lodore]

-{ Quote: "Can you run a single engine/AV in realtime ? If yes, does it lower the memory usage ?

Thanks for the shot. (ouch.jpg ;D )" }-
you can run one av in realtime and still use both engines for email if you wish to.
i didnt acually try it thou so i dont know if it lowers memory usage. i will test when they translate it to english.
not sure about on demand but im sure you can use one engine or both for that as well.

[tiagozt]

-{ Quote: "It might be surprising for you, but GDATA people are watching the detections of the particular engines - and they select the engines that give best results together (which doesn't have to include the best single engine, whatever it might be).

So, I don't think you have any objective data for your hypothesis, do you? ;D" }-

Not, YET... :P

[vijayind]

-{ Quote: "you can run one av in realtime and still use both engines for email if you wish to.
i didnt acually try it thou so i dont know if it lowers memory usage. i will test when they translate it to english.
not sure about on demand but im sure you can use one engine or both for that as well." }-
Thanks, Lodore.
Lets see further when English Version appears.

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "Hello,
seems people werent kidding about memory usage
doesnt seem to slow my computer down.
i still dont think two engine av's are really needed for home users.
maybe multiple engines but not two av's" }-


OMFG Ill keep my 1 Engine AV that sits at 8 Megs. and does just as good of a job.

[lodore]

-{ Quote: "OMFG Ill keep my 1 Engine AV that sits at 8 Megs. and does just as good of a job." }-
dont blame you XD

[Macstorm]

-{ Quote: "From Beta 1 to 6, it used KAV engine
But starts from Beta 7, it changes to BD engine

#23 said abut beta 1 only

Simply, you can just download the installers of beta 1 and rc1, then install or unpack them and compare, you will know the answer8)

There is a pic (http://www.uploadfx.com/pics/a8f07af7c9e6a29baa8e6a46903aacb9.png) of unpacked file of rc1" }-
I didn't know that thanks, I can confirm the change to the BD engine with the latest RC2.

Btw, i managed to find out the reason why the 'sudden' change of engines but i'm not allowed to disclose it publicly, sorry :-\

All i can tell is Firecat is somewhat right in his guessings ;)

[wolfgang30]

Hello all!

Interesting to see that Gdata's 2009 beta tests on rokop-security.de received wilderssecurity.com, too.

I'm one of the beta testers of GDATA's AVK 2009 and TotalCare 2009 (later one with 242 MB!) and I can confirm the sudden change from Kaspersky+Avast now to Bitdefender+ Avast for 2009 versions.

Having right now RC2 which still includes Bitdefender+ Avast we must assume that it remains as it is since the official selling is schedule on Sept. 3 , 2008.
It was a surprise to all of us but up to now there is no official statement by Gdata why this change has taken place right in the middle of the tests.
There were many rumours on the German forum but I tend to Firecat's remarks as well and consider the change positively.
Kaspersky has to do his homework.

But let's wait for the next av tests on av-comparatives.org or AV-Test of Magdeburg/Andreas Marx.
Of course, Kaspersky is still good but Bitdefender was/is a good supplement and now with Avast a good combo.
I remember the reason for changing it in 2007 from Kaspersky+Bitdefender to Kaspersky+Avast:
- Kaspersky and Bitdefender tended to use more or less the same sources
of malware so they had basically the same detections.
- Avast used different sources of malware
so the combo of Kaspersky + Avast made sense as of 2007.
But times are changing and Kaspersky has to keep up with changes.

Virus detection is not just adding up the rates of detections when looking at
av-comparatives.org or AV-Test
( http://www.pcwelt.de/start/software_os/sicherheit/news/81346/29_virenscanner_im_test_gute_erkennung_bei_wuermern/index2.html ).

[Macstorm]

-{ Quote: "Having right now RC2 which still includes Bitdefender+ Avast we must assume that it remains as it is since the official selling is schedule on Sept. 3 , 2008." }-
Hi Wolfgang, i think that scheduled date was set just for Germany, Austria and Switzerland- so the english version will have to wait a while i'm afraid :-\

Thanks for the PCWelt link.

[shi007]

-{ Quote: "I didn't know that thanks, I can confirm the change to the BD engine with the latest RC2.

Btw, i managed to find out the reason why the 'sudden' change of engines but i'm not allowed to disclose it publicly, sorry :-\

All i can tell is Firecat is somewhat right in his guessings ;)" }-

I think the GDATA Virus detecterate rate is always better than kapersky.that is why kapersky does not sell the new engine to GDATA. So that kapersky rise the price. GDATA has to abandon the kapersky's new engine.

[Medank]

-{ Quote: "Hello all!

Of course, Kaspersky is still good but Bitdefender was/is a good supplement and now with Avast a good combo.
I remember the reason for changing it in 2007 from Kaspersky+Bitdefender to Kaspersky+Avast:
- Kaspersky and Bitdefender tended to use more or less the same sources
of malware so they had basically the same detections.
- Avast used different sources of malware
so the combo of Kaspersky + Avast made sense as of 2007.
But times are changing and Kaspersky has to keep up with changes.

Virus detection is not just adding up the rates of detections when looking at
av-comparatives.org or AV-Test
( http://www.pcwelt.de/start/software_os/sicherheit/news/81346/29_virenscanner_im_test_gute_erkennung_bei_wuermern/index2.html )." }-



So you mean that Bitdefender has moved with the time and it's has a good TOP detection rate, and so does Kaspersky but not as Bitdefender with the time :) ?

[Macstorm]

-{ Quote: "I think the GDATA Virus detecterate rate is always better than kapersky.that is why kapersky does not sell the new engine to GDATA. So that kapersky rise the price. GDATA has to abandon the kapersky's new engine." }-
cold..cold... that is not the reason certainly ;)

[Jin K]

-{ Quote: "
- Kaspersky and Bitdefender tended to use more or less the same sources
of malware so they had basically the same detections.
" }-

your source please ??

[halcyon]

To beta testers:

Is it still possible to run AVK 2009 like this:

1. On-demand scan only (no resident portions)
2. Manual updates through single click (without running services or permanent resident portions, other than the on-demand scanner launched on demand)

I used AVK2007 myself and would like to consider AVK2009, IF it can be configure to use zero CPU/mem resources, when not being run by demand.

[SystemJunkie]

-{ Quote: "I'm one of the beta testers of GDATA's AVK 2009 and TotalCare 2009 (later one with 242 MB!) and I can confirm the sudden change from Kaspersky+Avast now to Bitdefender+ Avast for 2009 versions." }-Very intelligent choice. GData seems to analyze the market pretty quick.

[wolfgang30]

Good evening all!
The testers were very quick.
The most recent test results by www.AV-Test.org / Andreas Marx from University of Magdeburg. Published yesterday on Sept 2, 2008 which are now already including some suites in 2008 and 2009-versions,too are here:

http://www.virusbtn.com/news/2008/09_02

very surprising to see the result after changing the av-engine:
Gdata's AVK 2009 is slightly better than Gdata's AVK 2008.
Remember:
-AVK 2008 used Avast and Kaspersky scan engines
-AVK 2009 uses Avast and BitDefender (again) scan engines

There is still the beta version (RC2) of GDATA's AVK 2009 in operation but the final version should have been released today for Germany-Austria-Switzerland but nothing to see. Probably postponed a few days for whatever reasons.

btw:
no. 2 is Avira's Premium Security Suite 2008 and no 3 Secure Computing's Webwasher gateway product came third in both categories.


@ Jin K :
Quote:- Kaspersky and Bitdefender tended to use more or less the same sources of malware so they had basically the same detections.

your source please ??

---> it has been mentioned during the beta -test programme for 2008 on
www.rokop-security.de by an employee of Gdata. I just had it in my memory but can't find at the moment the exact link to it since it's every year a huge thread with 40-50 and more pages and difficult to read (even for Germans).
I check it again when I've got more time or you read it for yourself if you know German:
http://www.rokop-security.de/index.php?showtopic=14931&hl=

But the above new tests shows: the total rate of detections is not just adding up the individual rates of detections which is pure nonsense.
eg. Bitdefender as single av-machine is not really convincing but in combination with Avast on a very high level.

[Macstorm]

-{ Quote: "Gdata's AVK 2009 is slightly better than Gdata's AVK 2008.
Remember:
-AVK 2008 used Avast and Kaspersky scan engines
-AVK 2009 uses Avast and BitDefender (again) scan engines
" }-
Very surprising news indeed ;)

I'll wait for the next month to install the official english release of the standalone AV.