good idea to slipstream Xp SP3 ?

[Long View]

Going to install windows Xp Pro on a new machine. I wonder whether it is better to install Xp and then update to SP3 or better to slipstream SP3 ?
I think that by installing Xp and then updating is likely to be the safest but may leave loads of junk behind ( even if I remove the files known to be safe to remove). SlipStreaming may result in a small install but runs the risk of error.

any thoughts ?

[Sully]

All I can say is I slipstreamed it instead of using RyanVM's updates, then integrated with Siginets tool many add-ons. Seems to work fine. However, I went back to RyanVM's last update pack. Has most of the same stuff anyway.

Sul.

[farmerlee]

Either way has a potential for errors. Personally i've never had an error from slipstreaming a service pack but i have had many errors from trying to install a service pack.

Plus by slipstreaming you'll always have the disk handy for future installs.

[MrBrian]

If you plan on using sfc /scannow or a repair installation in the future, you might be glad you have it slipstreamed.

[Long View]

Thanks for all replies. when Installed I will use Shadow Protect and biuld up a series of images as I go. I will probably try both - mainly to see if a SlipStreamed XP SP3 Installation is smaller. I realize that I could use a Lite install but am concerned that vital bits might be missed and hope that SlipStreaming would make the total install smaller without leaving out any essentials.

[Nick Rhodes]

-{ Quote: "If you plan on using sfc /scannow or a repair installation in the future, you might be glad you have it slipstreamed." }-

Why ?

[GlobalForce]

What I suspect Nick ....

Unless the service pack is run with it's /integrate switch (http://www.howtohaven.com/system/slipstream-xp-service-pack-3.shtml), sfc will invariably prompt for a non-matching sp cd. Example condition (http://www.howtofixcomputers.com/forums/windows-xp/sfc-issue-after-running-win-xp-service-pack-3-a-161951.html).


Steve

[Long View]

looks like there is a difference between an Integrated Slipstream and an ordinary slipstream ? Is this correct ? and if so does it make any difference apart
from the scf/ scannow issue ?

[MrBrian]

-{ Quote: "Why ?" }-

For the reasons that GlobalForce kindly pointed out.

[MrBrian]

-{ Quote: "looks like there is a difference between an Integrated Slipstream and an ordinary slipstream ? Is this correct ? and if so does it make any difference apart
from the scf/ scannow issue ?" }-

I believe /integrate is the method by which the slipstreaming takes place. I used AutoStreamer to automate it though.

[GlobalForce]

LV,

To slipstream is to integrate. Short on investigation nLite I presume auto's it. As far as differences .... I lean toward's the reason MS include's that switch. If you're marginally proficient within a shell, I'd pass on AS and execute those command's manually. If it's oem, comcast covered slipstreaming specific's for sp2.


Steve

[Hairy Coo]

By using nLite and slipstreaming sp3-there shouldnt be any problems with running sfc/scannnow.

To make doubly certain you can retain the i386 directory in the C drive and do a registry patch see here
(http://www.updatexp.com/scannow-sfc.html) and sfc will access that rather than ask for a disk.


Previously had no problem running sfc with sp3.
Now had the usual one

201505

but no matter which was inserted -always the wrong one and eventually a BSOD.
Realised the CD Drive letter had changed from the original and Windows couldnt locate it.
So if you insert the CD prior to running sfc/scannow,the process will complete satisfactorily,with a bit of assistance(or just correct the new location in the registry).

Anyway, nLite is highly recommended for its versatility and unmatched ability to cut out flab . I am running a flawless sp3 install made by it.
Not difficult to master at all-download the sp3 ISO from MS-install nLite-do a few dummy runs if you like.
See
here (http://lifehacker.com/374376/trim-down-windows-to-the-bare-essentials)

Will save a lot of time as compared to an update and the OS will be much smaller and more responsive.

[Nick Rhodes]

Integrated option is slipstreaming. The sp3 files are integrated with the install media (eg the files are copied into the dll-cache).
I can conform no seperate servicepackfiles folder is created.

[Long View]

followed the instructions on

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/xpsp3_slipstream.asp

and everything went pretty much according to plan. Have just tested the CD on a spare machine and so far so good. Looks like the install is smaller than installing Xp, updating to SP3 and then removing files.

ran scf /scannow and it worked just fine

will play with nlite another day. My concern is that I might easily remove something that I later require.

[GlobalForce]

Satisfaction yes? Good! Thank's for the follow-up LV. Now "Cromwell country" .... as in Oliver?

S

[Hairy Coo]

-{ Quote: "will play with nlite another day. My concern is that I might easily remove something that I later require." }-

There are general safeguards in nLite to prevent this.

[Long View]

-{ Quote: "Satisfaction yes? Good! Thank's for the follow-up LV. Now "Cromwell country" .... as in Oliver?

S" }-

Yes as in Oliver - If only he had lived a few more years I would have been a citizen and not a subject and you wouldn't have had a monarchy to overthrow.

[Long View]

-{ Quote: "There are general safeguards in nLite to prevent this." }-


Yes I will def play with it later. Only took 31 seconds to make a Shadow Protect image -- so perhpas with Nlite it will be so small that I can make a sub 20 second image ;D

[Hairy Coo]

Anyway -you cant go wrong with a Paul Thurrot method -good find

-{ Quote: "Only took 31 seconds to make a Shadow Protect image " }-

Fantastic SP speeds!!

[Long View]

Now that i have sorted one machine I'm wondering if I can do the same on an acer laptop ? The problem is that Windows Xp for the Travelmate c300 comes on 2 or 3 CD's with all the usual Norton Junk etc.

Has anyone tried to Slipstream this sort of Disk ?

[GlobalForce]

You mean OEM, Acer OEM? Do one of those disk's carry the OS all by it's lonesome?

S

[Long View]

unfortunately not. There are 4 Cds. The first boots to windows 98 and I think I recall that all 4 disks get used. The disks all have images on. another reason not to buy laptops ?

[GlobalForce]

My oem laptop came supplied on separate disk's - window's, driver's and extra's. Still, NOT forthright. I'll post if I find something.

S

[GlobalForce]

Take a look @ this LV, sp3 /integrate success appear's logical - http://www.howtohaven.com/system/createwindowssetupdisk.shtml

S

[Long View]

sounds fantastic - certainly worth a try. One problem is the License key. The laptop came pre-activated ? will have to look through old papers. I may be wrong but I think there are programs that will allow a system to be interrogated
to show the key ?

[MikeNAS]

-{ Quote: "sounds fantastic - certainly worth a try. One problem is the License key. The laptop came pre-activated ? will have to look through old papers. I may be wrong but I think there are programs that will allow a system to be interrogated
to show the key ?" }-

Here is some:

RockXP (http://korben-.front.ru/rockxp.exe)
Magical Jelly Bean Keyfinder (http://magicaljellybean.com/keyfinder/)

Have you think about to download or borrow orginal XP CD and slipstream SP3? I always reformat laptops after I got those because I really hate preinstalled crap.

[GlobalForce]

Mine also came pre-activated, the main exception being a different code returned by keyfinder than was attached to the case.
*Search "xperience xp january 2005" for what appear's a likely activation work-around (/2005_01_01_archive.html blogspot).

S

[MikeNAS]

-{ Quote: "Mine also came pre-activated, the main exception being a different code returned by keyfinder than was attached to the case.

S" }-

I have exact same thing with my Dell Latitude D820. I thought that key which is on the cd is volume license or something and they use it in many computers.

[KookyMan]

Perhaps someone else has some similar experience to this, but this is what happened with me.

I used an XP SP2 OEM disk, and installed it on two different machines. Each had their own key so it was legal, I just didn't want to reinstall XP-SP1 from dell on my laptop then apply sp2 after since I had the SP2 disk handy.

A couple months ago, I copied the CD to my HD and used nlite to slipstream SP3 into the disk and burn a new image. Also made a couple other minor tweaks just to speed up the install (choose the timezone, etc).

With the original disk, I have never ever ran into a windows file protection error asking me to insert the CD. However after installing, cleanly, XP-SP3 on my laptop, I have run into it a few times wanting my original CD.

Could I have done something to the install, or by some chance might I have forgotten that I did something after the previous installs?

[GlobalForce]

Loose end's lead to speculation KM. Could you, might you have - sure. nLite stripping an OEM? Take a look @ the link I left for LV.

Steve