[xp] does it use stone age 8.3 naming conventions ?, how can i change it

[mantra]

i discovered that when i use iview media player 3.1 to send files to bibble (is a photographic software) , iview send the path like

C:\DOCUME~1\my computer\DOCUME~1\images208DCE~1\image01.jpg

well i found that others software send files using the 8.3 naming conventions

i found that some batch doesn't work , for the 8.3 naming conventions



how can i know if my xp pro sp2 with the last patches uses 8.3 naming conventions?

and how can i changed it?


{QUOTE-> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\FileSystem

From the right pane double click on NtfsDisable8dot3NameCreation key change the value from 0 to 1 <-QUOTE}

but it still doesn't work


can somebody help me?
thanks
best regards

[Franklin]

Did you reboot after changing the reg value?

[mantra]

{QUOTE-> Did you reboot after changing the reg value? <-QUOTE}


yes i did:-\ :-\

[GlobalForce]

Keep in mind the first note, leave existing 8.3's, alone. How to Disable the 8.3 Name Creation on NTFS Partitions (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/121007)

S

[Cosmo 203]

There is an option in IrfanView (Others 3), whether to use short names.

[mantra]

{QUOTE-> Keep in mind the first note, leave existing 8.3's, alone. How to Disable the 8.3 Name Creation on NTFS Partitions (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/121007)

S <-QUOTE}
sorry i did not understand well , should i keep NtfsDisable8dot3NameCreation=0 like default?
{QUOTE-> Windows 2000 and Windows NT

To disable the 8.3 name creation on all NTFS partitions, use the following steps: Important This section, method, or task contains steps that tell you how to modify the registry. However, serious problems might occur if you modify the registry incorrectly. Therefore, make sure that you follow these steps carefully. For added protection, back up the registry before you modify it. Then, you can restore the registry if a problem occurs. For more information about how to back up and restore the registry, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
322756 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/322756/) How to back up and restore the registry in Windows
1. Start Regedt32.exe and locate the following registry key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\FileSystem
2. Select the NtfsDisable8dot3NameCreation entry.

NOTE: By default, the value for this entry is set to 0.
3. On the Edit menu, click DWORD. Type a value of 1 in the Data field.
4. Click OK and then quit Regedt32.
5. Quit Windows NT and turn off your computer.
6. Restart your computer and Windows NT. <-QUOTE}

[MikeBCda]

Wandering a little off-topic, but ...

I find there's wild variations in how various older apps cope with long file names, and compatibility with Windows. I've got an antique copy of dBase for Windows (paid for) and an equally antique copy of Graphics Workshop Pro (shareware, guilty, yer honor) both of which supposedly support long names. GWP, however, will not accept spaces or many other non-alpha characters in the name and either objects or simply deletes them.

Oddly, the debugger module in dBase refused to run on my old 98SE system (didn't recognize Win version) but is fine under XP without touching compatibility settings-properties.

One thing I do frequently in dBase is run dir .... > (textfile), for subsequent conversion to a database. This generates the classic DOS 7 characters plus "~", so I'll typically wind up with a number of identically named files which of course generates errors. So I manually convert to 8.3 first, typically by deleting characters from the middle, and include an error-checking routing in dBase to make sure I didn't miss any or miscount characters.

[GlobalForce]

If you're able to confidently rule out principle's presented by "ntfs tuning (http://www.windowsitlibrary.com/Content/435/07/8.html)" and Ibm's "deleting files from a Windows command prompt (http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=663&uid=swg21155524)," the advice seem's to suggest you're intention. Whether doing so afford's any significant performance return I'll leave for you to decide.

As for the safe edit Mantra, from a shell issue: fsutil behavior set disable8dot3 1 (http://commandwindows.com/fsutil.htm) - you can dbl-check the value afterward's.


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[Kerodo]

{QUOTE-> i discovered that when i use iview media player 3.1 to send files to bibble (is a photographic software) , iview send the path like

C:\DOCUME~1\my computer\DOCUME~1\images208DCE~1\image01.jpg

well i found that others software send files using the 8.3 naming conventions

i found that some batch doesn't work , for the 8.3 naming conventions



how can i know if my xp pro sp2 with the last patches uses 8.3 naming conventions?

and how can i changed it?




but it still doesn't work


can somebody help me?
thanks
best regards <-QUOTE}
You might want to be careful disabling this anyway, some apps require it to be enabled to work properly. I seem to recall some Symantec app that needed it enabled. If you disable it and get odd things happening with any app then you may have to set it back again... Just FYI....

[mantra]

{QUOTE-> If you're able to confidently rule out principle's presented by "ntfs tuning (http://www.windowsitlibrary.com/Content/435/07/8.html)" and Ibm's "deleting files from a Windows command prompt (http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=663&uid=swg21155524)," the advice seem's to suggest you're intention. Whether doing so afford's any significant performance return I'll leave for you to decide.

As for the safe edit Mantra, from a shell issue: fsutil behavior set disable8dot3 1 (http://commandwindows.com/fsutil.htm) - you can dbl-check the value afterward's.


S <-QUOTE}
thanks to all

1)
but a fresh install of xp pro sp2 , does it come with 8.3 naming conventions or with the new name character?

2) how can i know if all my partitition or only someone have the 83 naming convention?

3)what kind of setting do you use?


have a nice day

[GlobalForce]

Check the value immediately after, it'll be the same as mine - default. I'll venture to guess Kerodo's is left default as well.

S

[mantra]

{QUOTE-> Check the value immediately after, it'll be the same as mine - default. I'll venture to guess Kerodo's is left default as well.

S <-QUOTE}
should i do with all my partition or can i do only my C: ? i mean fsutil behavior set disable8dot3 1

[GlobalForce]

I'll say ntfs partition's housing a system registry, as I doubt any posix based program's would choose to write outside the active partition. Again, as previously cautioned this feature may occasionally require re-enabling. I suspect hardening information contained in an article, much like the one which follow's has spurred your motivation?

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/security/prodtech/windows/networksecurity/legsgch4.mspx


S

[mantra]

{QUOTE-> I'll say ntfs partition's housing a system registry, as I doubt any posix based program's would choose to write outside the active partition. Again, as previously cautioned this feature may occasionally require re-enabling. I suspect hardening information contained in an article, much like the one which follow's has spurred your motivation?

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/security/prodtech/windows/networksecurity/legsgch4.mspx


S <-QUOTE}
i have 3 hardisk with import data
is safe to change the partition fsutil behavior set disable8dot3 1
and after change the regkey
can i lose data?

[GlobalForce]

You can lose data if your drive decides to head south. What are you hoping to achieve? This opening bit describe your system?

{QUOTE-> "You’ll typically notice a performance difference only on drives that have a very large number of files (300,000 or more) but relatively few folders, and where a lot of your files have names that start similarly (for instance, NTFS Performance Hacks version 1.doc, NTFS Performance Hacks version 2.doc, and so on). That’s because if you have a lot of files that start with the same characters in their filenames and occupy the same folder, NTFS has to work harder (and take more time) to generate unique 8.3 names for these files."

--source - pctipsbox.com/make-your-hard-drive-run-faster/ <-QUOTE}

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{QUOTE-> "Disabling 8.3 file-name generation improves the NTFS access and display time, but it may cause 16-bit applications to fail. Many 32-bit applications also fail as a result of the use of 8.3 name conventions internal to their structures even though long file names for output data is supported. Disabling 8.3 names can resolve 32-bit application path problems, but it should be used with caution."

--source - windowsitlibrary.com/Content/113/04/3.html <-QUOTE}

Provided you've got proven backup's in place, you needn't worry much about data loss.


S

[mantra]

{QUOTE-> You can lose data if your drive decides to head south. What are you hoping to achieve? This opening bit describe your system? <-QUOTE}
sorry i'm not english what 's the meaning head south?




{QUOTE->
Provided you've got proven backup's in place, you needn't worry much about data loss. <-QUOTE}
i can't have a backup of 3 hard disks of 320gb :(

did you tweak to disable 8+3 naming?

[GlobalForce]

Head South = cake, fold .... DIE! :o:D What if those 320g's get hit by an "unexpected" bad payload?
What advantage are you hoping to gain by disabling 8.3?

S