Opera 9.5 vs Firefox 3 [Archive] - Wilders Security Forums

aigle

June 18th, 2008, 09:46 AM

I started with IE, then FF and finally Opera. After I settled on Opera, I never needed any thing else. I used to install FF for my friends but stopped as it was like a bulky elephant on dial up while opera rused to run like a leopard on same systems.

The plus point for FF are extensions but I gradually turned off from them as they slow start up of FF and also with each new release there are extensions not working until you get new updates for them. It,s a bit of hassle.

Opera,s built-in functions are more than enough for me. The only issues with Opear for me was of GUI but the latest version has a pleasantly elegent GUI so I am totally happy with it now.

emperordarius

June 18th, 2008, 10:20 AM

I used to use Firefox 2 then Opera 8.5, 9, 9.2, and then Opera 9.5. One thing that I noted was that it normally was fast, but, if my connection (broadband) went just as little slower, Opera would scr*w up. When I wanted to open a page, it displayed 30 seconds a blank screen, then started loading the website. Other times it would just leave a blank page until I pressed ENTER four or five times in the address bar. Another thing that I hated was website compatibility. I couldn't use GMX Mail, I would just press the login button but nothing happened. Also Yahoo Mail wouldn't work, it just crashed in version 9.2 and displayed javascript errors in version 9.5. Another funny thing was, that, in some forums (Mainly IPBoard ones), when I wanted to send a Personal Message, instead of sending the message it would send a screenshot of the message box :wacko: . I reported that since version 8.5, but that got never fixed.
This was the negative part that made me switch to Firefox 3.
But besides the bad parts, it was a very good browser, the GUI (especially the latest one) is cool, it has integrated RSS feed and Mail, BitTorrent Support, Voice Control, Mouse Gestures etc. But I realised I didn't use any of these functions, maybe sometimes the Bittorent support, but I prefer using uTorrent for .torrent files.
I switched from Firefox 2 because I felt better with Opera, it had less memory and CPU usage, and was faster. I could resist with Opera for a lot of time, the page rendering and the slowness (even after tweaking some options such reducing nr of remembered pages and server name completition) but then I gave up...
I found Firefox 3 very good. It was fast, (especially after some tweaking) compatible with any page I tried. It had all the features I used, no need for addons for me. I also found it using less memory that Opera when opening a lot of tabs (80MB with 100MB or 100MB with 120-140MB).
Of course Opera gets a better result than Firefox 3 in Acid Tests, but I don't care a lot about that.

About safety, it seems that Opera is safer than Firefox, but IMO Firefox 3 isn't and won't be as vulnerable as Firefox 2 was.

So now I'm using Firefox 3, without any addon, it runs fine enough for me. I may switch to Opera 10, if it gets as compatible as Firefox or Internet Explorer, it gets faster when the connection is slow (all my browser tested were faster than Opera with slow connection, FF,Safari, IE6,Netscape), and if Firefox won't have made something better by then.

How many tabs can Opera and Firefox open without crashing? According to this http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.sablatura.info%2Fprogramy%2Fjak-vypada-opera-95-s-1100-otevrenymi-panely-listy%2F&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=cs&tl=en , Opera 9.5 1113 and 550MB RAM, while Firefox 3 1500 and 380MB RAM.

Acadia

June 18th, 2008, 10:32 AM

I used Opera a couple of years ago and really liked it but switched back to Firefox. Very recently, when Opera 9.5 was released, I was starting the process of switching back to Opera, you know, redoing my bookmarks and adblocking; then I heard that Firefox 3 was just days away so I waited ... as nice as Opera 9.5 is, I will be staying with Firefox afterall. Finally a browser with the features of Firefox (actually the features of version 3 are much improved even) and the speed of Opera! 8)

Acadia

bigc73542

June 18th, 2008, 10:37 AM

I have used both Opera and Firefox for a long time now. In all this time FF has been playing catchup to Opera. And in the new versions FF 3.0 and Opera 9.5 It still seems to be the same, FF is still playing catchup but not quite getting there. This is just my opinion but I have seen a lot of post relating to and agreeing with mt Opinion:thumb:

bigc73542

June 18th, 2008, 10:40 AM

-{ Quote: "http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.sablatura.info%2Fprogramy%2Fjak-vypada-opera-95-s-1100-otevrenymi-panely-listy%2F&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=cs&tl=en[/url] , Opera 9.5 1113 and 550MB RAM, while Firefox 3 1500 and 380MB RAM." }-

And how would this relate to real world browsing? Who in their right mind would have over 1000 tabs open in the first place ??? Or even 100 tabs?

emperordarius

June 18th, 2008, 10:46 AM

-{ Quote: "And how would this relate to real world browsing? Who in their right mind would have over 1000 tabs open in the first place ??? Or even 100 tabs?" }-
Lol just a curiosity!;D

bigc73542

June 18th, 2008, 10:59 AM

I figured that, I just had to do my "EVIL" post of the day and get it out of the way. ;D

HURST

June 18th, 2008, 11:00 AM

I used a previous version of opera for almost a year, and then switched back to Firefox2.

I tried Opera 9.5 a few days ago, and it's a great browser (I liked the speed dial feature a lot). Fast, stable. But deep down inside, I've never really liked Opera.
Yesterday I installed Firefox3. I love the new GUI. Browsing is fast over here.

I think bigc is right, firefox is a bit behind of Opera. Take for example the "awesome bar" (I don't know the name in Opera). If you start typing in the URL adress bar, Firefox starts searching and displays all websited in your bookmarks and in your browsing that match the word you are typing. But it only searches in the URL's and the website titles. Opera on the other hand also serachs ON THE WHOLE WEBSITE TEXT, which is very usefull when you can't remember where you read that little frase. (Awesome bar can be disabled BTW).

I also love extension in Firefox. I usea really few of them, just 4 or 5, but it's a great feature. I really don't like Opera Widgets.

Trespasser

June 18th, 2008, 11:07 AM

I've tried both and in my humble opinion Firefox 3 is by far the best. Opens very fast, very configurable, and my favorite extensions are still compatible (NoScript, AdBlock, Permit Cookies). To be honest I never did like Opera for I had too much trouble accessing certain web sites (error message would pop up when it attempted to load). That was enough for me...so Firefox forever. And if Mozilla incorporates Protected Mode into Firefox 4 I'll be very, very happy.

Fuzzfas

June 18th, 2008, 11:20 AM

-{ Quote: "
Opera,s built-in functions are more than enough for me. " }-

Same here. The only thing i used in FF extensions was mouse gestures. Opera has them by default, no need to redownload them after a format or check version compatibility after an update.

Plus, Opera looks much better.

AKAJohnDoe

June 18th, 2008, 11:49 AM

I generally do not leave software on my machine that I am not going to use, so although I install it to try it out, it gets uninstalled if I do not use it.

This is what keeps happening with Opera. I prefer Firefox. And I do run a few add-ons/extensions (http://pc.akajohndoe.com/browsers.htm).

If Opera had a simple and effective equivalent to the AdBlockPlus add-on (with the EasyList USA filter list) of Firefox, it would perhaps last longer on my PC.

Coolio10

June 18th, 2008, 11:58 AM

So the main problem seems accessing pages with opera.

Hopefully they can fix it in opera 10.

Arup

June 18th, 2008, 11:59 AM

http://www.fanboy.co.nz/adblock/

A very simple and effective ad block for Opera. Opera has been my default browser and mail client since version 3x and continues to do so with 9.5 I always try out other alternates but somehow find Opera to be the smoothest and fastest as well as having the best interface.

lodore

June 18th, 2008, 12:00 PM

hello,
i prefer opera.
has all the stuff i need built-in.
its also definitely faster than firefox.
simple layout and works very well.
i like firefox but will always go back to opera mainly because i don't like having to find extensions for stuff.

@AKAJohnDoe,
the use admuncher for blocking adverts it costs money but its well worth it.
it supports all browsers and is updated alot.

Firebytes

June 18th, 2008, 12:12 PM

I have both Opera and Firefox on my machines. I much prefer Firefox, mostly for reasons that I can't quite convey. It just seems to suit me better, so I use it much more often than Opera. Part of that I guess could be just that I got used to FF before I ever tried Opera. I think both are excellent browsers though and I would use either of them over IE anyday.

Some of the things I don't like as much about Opera:

The appearance and preferences menus seem harder to sort out and use to me than on Firefox.

In Firefox I can drop down my bookmarks list and right click an entry and then click "open in new tab", etc. I can't do that in Opera, unless there is some setting that I can change to do so. I can't do it by default anyway.

The new default theme in Opera makes it too hard for me to differentiate between open tabs, they seem to blend together due to their coloring and lack of a more contrasting border around them.

edit: I can see them better in the screenshot I submitted than in the actual browser. Maybe it's usually just my failing eyesight.

Arup

June 18th, 2008, 12:22 PM

Memory use in Opera, FF and IE, all with one page open of the same site and yes, in my PC, Opera is still fastest.

mistycat

June 18th, 2008, 12:41 PM

Opera here too. I had an issue with speed in 9.27 (FF too) but 9.5 has everything I want.

twl845

June 18th, 2008, 12:52 PM

Quite a few years ago I had Opera and FF running side by side, trying to decide which one I liked best. After almost a year, I decided on Firefox. One of the main reasons I dislike Opera is because it is geared to the young dudes and girls. You can see it in the configuration, and especially in the Community page. They had a chat room, which I immediately found to be populated by kids asking me how old I was. As a mature adult passed my dude years, I found FF to be more my liking. 8) FF 3 is cool.

dbknox

June 18th, 2008, 01:18 PM

-{ Quote: "Quite a few years ago I had Opera and FF running side by side, trying to decide which one I liked best. After almost a year, I decided on Firefox. One of the main reasons I dislike Opera is because it is geared to the young dudes and girls. You can see it in the configuration, and especially in the Community page. They had a chat room, which I immediately found to be populated by kids asking me how old I was. As a mature adult passed my dude years, I found FF to be more my liking. 8) FF 3 is cool." }-
I too had both FF and Opera running and I really loved FF but found Opera to be a bit faster on my Dial-up and also found the "transfer" in opera to be a lot better. FF would quite often start the download all over if for some reason I got knocked offline, I do not remember this ever happening to me in Opera which is very important to a dial-up user.
I haven't used FF for a couple of years now.

AKAJohnDoe

June 18th, 2008, 01:20 PM

-{ Quote: " 8) FF 3 is cool" }-
I don't use things because they are cool. Things are cool because I use them. ;)

Coolio10

June 18th, 2008, 01:47 PM

-{ Quote: "Quite a few years ago I had Opera and FF running side by side, trying to decide which one I liked best. After almost a year, I decided on Firefox. One of the main reasons I dislike Opera is because it is geared to the young dudes and girls. You can see it in the configuration, and especially in the Community page. They had a chat room, which I immediately found to be populated by kids asking me how old I was. As a mature adult passed my dude years, I found FF to be more my liking. 8) FF 3 is cool." }-
What does a community page have to do with the browser itself?
And the configuration in opera is more confusing and uncategorized compared to firefox so why is it geared to "young dudes".

Coolio10

June 18th, 2008, 01:48 PM

-{ Quote: "I don't use things because they are cool. Things are cool because I use them. ;)" }-
:thumb:

Tony

June 18th, 2008, 01:48 PM

I love both browsers but the one thing that swings me in favour of Firefox is the Roboform toolbar.
I know Opera has wand, but Roboform is just so much better and all passcards etc can also be used with IE.

Trespasser

June 18th, 2008, 01:50 PM

I maintain my Dad's computer (he's an elderly gentlemen and on dial-up) and since neither Firefox nor Opera has auto-disconnect I'm forced to use IE7. His eyesight is poor so he needs that auto-disconnect box to pop up. I sure wish Firefox or Opera had that feature but alas they don't. If they did I'd switch my Dad's browser over in a heartbeat.

bman412

June 18th, 2008, 03:14 PM

-{ Quote: "
In Firefox I can drop down my bookmarks list and right click an entry and then click "open in new tab", etc. I can't do that in Opera, unless there is some setting that I can change to do so." }-

You can try Ctrl +B then you can right click your bookmark and open an new tab from the bookmarks pane.

-{ Quote: "
If Opera had a simple and effective equivalent to the AdBlockPlus add-on (with the EasyList USA filter list) of Firefox, it would perhaps last longer on my PC." }-

Ad/content filtering can be done through urlfilter.ini

waters

June 18th, 2008, 03:24 PM

Tried Opera a few times in the past and after a few days went back to firefox.Updated to Firefox 3 and no like so again tried Opera and really like this one.Opera will now stay

Coolio10

June 18th, 2008, 03:32 PM

When i started the thread i wanted a comparison of features...not oppinion. I blame you aigle for starting it :D.

We can only compare features both browsers have (eg library).

twl845

June 18th, 2008, 03:37 PM

-{ Quote: "What does a community page have to do with the browser itself?
And the configuration in opera is more confusing and uncategorized compared to firefox so why is it geared to "young dudes"." }-
It's been a few years now, but as I remember the layout was typically youth oriented. The Community page etc. has nothing to do with the browser, but if that's all you want, you could stay with IE. :)

AKAJohnDoe

June 18th, 2008, 03:53 PM

-{ Quote: "I maintain my Dad's computer (he's an elderly gentlemen and on dial-up) and since neither Firefox nor Opera has auto-disconnect I'm forced to use IE7. His eyesight is poor so he needs that auto-disconnect box to pop up. I sure wish Firefox or Opera had that feature but alas they don't. If they did I'd switch my Dad's browser over in a heartbeat." }-
A Google search found this (http://discussions.virtualdr.com/archive/index.php/t-202567.html) convoluted method. Ick. Still, might work.

Firebytes

June 18th, 2008, 03:59 PM

-{ Quote: "You can try Ctrl +B then you can right click your bookmark and open an new tab from the bookmarks pane." }-

It works, but it also opens up the sidebar which I then have to close. I'm not a big fan of sidebars.

Trespasser

June 18th, 2008, 04:47 PM

-{ Quote: "A Google search found this (http://discussions.virtualdr.com/archive/index.php/t-202567.html) convoluted method. Ick. Still, might work." }-

Thanks, AKAJohnDoe, for your efforts. Much appreciated. :). I'll give it a try this coming weekend. Again, thanks, dude.

Long View

June 18th, 2008, 05:05 PM

Have tried Opera a few times and would like to like it BUT FF3 with NoScript, Adblock plus, and CSlite works for me and is just something I'm used to.
The killer for me is that Opera doesn't work with Roboform and this is something I use every few minutes. People have suggested alternatives but they don't come close - So Opera is out of tune for me.

Defcon

June 18th, 2008, 05:36 PM

I've tried both and the differences in speed/memory usage are not significant on my pc. So it comes down to the ability to customize and tailor the browser to your needs and here FF has no competition. Opera might come with a few popular extensions builtin, but with FF there are hundreds of extensions which can do amazing things. I spend a large part of my time on the computer working with a browser (browsing, writing email, reading rss) so it is the most important application and I am a lot more productive with FF. I also like the warm fuzzy feeling of opensource and as a developer myself, am happy to support those who work so hard for free to give us this amazing product.

wilbertnl

June 18th, 2008, 06:25 PM

When I install and use Firefox 1.5.0.12 (http://filehippo.com/download_firefox/tech/?2743), I'm shocked about the speed! :o
With each and every update of software we settle for lower performance on the same hardware.

For both Internet Explorer and Firefox, I use a password generator from Onepassword.com (http://onepassword.com/). If Opera offered the same functionality, compatible with the plugins for IE and FF, I would use Opera on a daily basis.

I wish that Opera opens email messages in a separate window, though.
And their toolbars arrangements are too clunky.

Also, with every update of FF, we have compatibility issues with what FF is praised for: their add-ons.

aigle

June 18th, 2008, 06:27 PM

-{ Quote: "
The new default theme in Opera makes it too hard for me to differentiate between open tabs, they seem to blend together due to their coloring and lack of a more contrasting border around them.

edit: I can see them better in the screenshot I submitted than in the actual browser. Maybe it's usually just my failing eyesight." }-
Look for the red close button on the active tab.

Firebytes

June 18th, 2008, 06:41 PM

-{ Quote: "Look for the red close button on the active tab." }-

Its not the active tab I have a problem with, its the inactive tabs that seem to run together to me, especially if very many are open.

dw426

June 18th, 2008, 06:46 PM

-{ Quote: "
Also, with every update of FF, we have compatibility issues with what FF is praised for: their add-ons." }-

As I've said in a different post, Mozilla has nothing to do with the compatibility of add-ons. That is the sole responsibility of the add-on creators, THEY are the ones that are either too lazy to make sure their creations are compatible in a timely manner or don't have enough time to do so, NOT Mozilla. Mozilla simply checks add-ons for security issues and whatever other practices they require, and lists them on their website.

If Mozilla can be faulted for anything add-on related, it's not removing the add-ons that are not compatible with the current browser, especially the ones that haven't seen an update since 2006. I also strongly disagree with what seems to be a new trend in putting up incomplete or otherwise useless free versions of add-ons and themes, and charging for the "full" versions. That is not an acceptable practice with most open source communities and shouldn't be tolerated by Mozilla. Nobody asked these people to make their extensions and themes, damned if they should have the nerve to charge for them. I noticed a few were fully functional and free....until Firefox 3 was released.

L815

June 18th, 2008, 07:06 PM

Personally I favor Opera. I agree FF does things a bit better with some website rendering, and the ONLY plugin I use is adblock Plus.

Opera has everything I need, it's adblock is very fast and efficient. If you decide to make your own lists it's a bit more advanced, but it's easy once you learn it. Or you can use Fanboys adblock List.

Opera using QT for its GUI makes it feel fast and responsive. FF for me has always seemed sluggish.

Firefox 3 has improved so much since 2, and it's an amazing browser. I use it in conjunction with Opera, but I do favor Opera just a bit more :)

wilbertnl

June 18th, 2008, 07:13 PM

-{ Quote: "As I've said in a different post, Mozilla has nothing to do with the compatibility of add-ons." }-
If any add-on runs fine and is certified for any older release of FF, why do we have to wait for the add-on developer with any new release of FF?
Did the plugin interface change that much securitywise?

This kind of mandated version numbering compatibility is not seen often in the software world. Plugins that run fine on IE5/IE6 will also run on IE7, period.

AKAJohnDoe

June 18th, 2008, 07:24 PM

-{ Quote: "Plugins that run fine on IE5/IE6 will also run on IE7, period." }-
That's 'cause IE has not really changed all that much since, oh, say 1997.

Defcon

June 18th, 2008, 07:29 PM

As far as addin development goes, its a good thing if the api's stay consistent and are backwards compatible. The vast majority of FF extensions have nothing to do with security yet need to be constantly updated with each minor beta and alpha. Either the internal api keeps changing or the version number is being checked (which you can override) - both of these happen to some extent, and both are bad.

bigc73542

June 18th, 2008, 07:52 PM

I am not trying to be argumentive but I have never had problems with pages opening in opera. If anyone has a URL to one of the pages that Opera doesn't open correctly I would really appreciate it. I would like to check it out.

bigc

Osaban

June 18th, 2008, 08:00 PM

They are both great.

I've used Opera ever since it was free, but lately I couldn't resist using Firefox for some of its add-ons: NoScript for security, Online bookmarks (I always surf virtual with DeepFreeze, online bookmarks are very convenient as I can use it in frozen state), and 'StumbleUpon' which finds new websites according to your interests (indeed the most fascinating add-on IMO). In terms of speed, I couldn't tell the difference.

dw426

June 18th, 2008, 08:40 PM

-{ Quote: "That's 'cause IE has not really changed all that much since, oh, say 1997." }-

Exactly. Again, blame add-on developers, not Mozilla. Should Mozilla change the browser each time so much that some add-ons do quit? Maybe not, but still, the length of time an add-on is not compatible comes down to the developer of the add-on.

Arup

June 18th, 2008, 09:59 PM

-{ Quote: "I am not trying to be argumentive but I have never had problems with pages opening in opera. If anyone has a URL to one of the pages that Opera doesn't open correctly I would really appreciate it. I would like to check it out.

bigc" }-

I agree here, neither have I although I must admit some MS sites like Hotmail do run slow on Opera but thats due to MS's buggy code rather than Opera's fault. Opera implements strict HTML coding check and some loosely written sites do give Opera problems occasionally.

HURST

June 18th, 2008, 11:23 PM

A year ago, hotmail would't work on opera. I don't know if it does now.

aigle

June 18th, 2008, 11:28 PM

It works.

L815

June 19th, 2008, 12:06 AM

I just like Opera so very much :thumb: :thumb:

acr1965

June 19th, 2008, 12:50 AM

I posted this in the Opera 9.5 thread but since there is a discussion of add ons for FF and Opera i figured it would be ok here too. But has anyone used Customize Google for Opera? And will it work in Opera 9.5?

Customize Google for Opera-

http://www.smir.de/cg/

dw426

June 19th, 2008, 12:56 AM

While he's asking about that, I'd like to know if anyone has tried CustomizeGoogle on the final release of FF3. The extension at the add-on website still refers to the alpha release of FF3.

MrBrian

June 19th, 2008, 12:58 AM

-{ Quote: "
In Firefox I can drop down my bookmarks list and right click an entry and then click "open in new tab", etc. I can't do that in Opera, unless there is some setting that I can change to do so. I can't do it by default anyway.
" }-

I haven't used Opera 9.50 yet, but in Opera 9.27 you can uncheck setting 'reuse current tab' to do this.

swami

June 19th, 2008, 03:07 AM

On my machine only this page open:
IE7 12 megs
Opera9.50 18 megs
Fx3 35 megs

rolarocka

June 19th, 2008, 06:51 AM

I allways open 20 tabs at once in Opera without any problems. With Firefox if i open the same 20 tabs it stutters, freezes for a moment and i have an big cpu hit. Also i think Firefox comes too naked without addons. Now if you install addons it becomes slow. Opera has the most important "addons" under the hood and its allways fast as in day one. Opera also loads webpages a lot faster than firefox and the startup is also faster so why should i use Firefox? I used Firefox for several years until i discovered Opera :)

Acadia

June 19th, 2008, 08:06 AM

-{ Quote: "Opera also loads webpages a lot faster than firefox " }-
I've been hearing a lot of folks saying this and with FF2 I agree; but have you folks actually tried FF3 yet? I just don't see the old slowness anymore in the new version, seems just as swift as Opera, or is it just my system?

Acadia

emperordarius

June 19th, 2008, 08:20 AM

I think that it's not true that Opera is faster than firefox and not true that firefox is faster than Opera. I tried myself testing the two, but in some pages firefox was faster and in some Opera was faster. It depends on what page you use though. For example, wilders and youtube opened faster in firefox than in opera, but dailymotion and flickr opened faster in opera than firefox. In both cases, the difference is of a few seconds, though.

rolarocka

June 19th, 2008, 08:40 AM

Try opening for example 50 websites at once with Opera 9.5 and try the same with the same webpages in Firefox 3. Now tell me who finishes loading faster? Also with that amount of tabs open Opera is still fully functional without slowdowns in switching from the first to the last tab.

emperordarius

June 19th, 2008, 09:26 AM

-{ Quote: "Try opening for example 50 websites at once with Opera 9.5 and try the same with the same webpages in Firefox 3. Now tell me who finishes loading faster? Also with that amount of tabs open Opera is still fully functional without slowdowns in switching from the first to the last tab." }-

I couldn't open 50, no, but I opened around 36 pages. The loading time was equal for both, execept that, like I said in the post before, some pages loaded faster in opera and some faster in firefox. Both Opera AND Firefox 3 were fully functional with that amount of tabs open, although opening a new tab felt a bit faster in Opera. That is on broadband, which is fast. But when I go on Dial up (very very slow), Opera just displays blank pages, while Firefox displays the pages after 5-6 minutes. But if we're going to talk about the memory usage, Firefox uses a bit more CPU, while Opera uses more Memory:
http://photoserver.ws/files/udhuyqznrf78ef4pgu3a.jpg
Man can someone explain me how to post a damn image here?

MasterTB

June 19th, 2008, 09:30 AM

-{ Quote: "I have used both Opera and Firefox for a long time now. In all this time FF has been playing catchup to Opera. And in the new versions FF 3.0 and Opera 9.5 It still seems to be the same, FF is still playing catchup but not quite getting there. This is just my opinion but I have seen a lot of post relating to and agreeing with mt Opinion:thumb:" }-

Exactly my opinion. That is why I've stuck with Opera since ver. 4 or so.. And I see no reason for going back to anything else.
Don't get me wrong, FF is a good browser but since I don't use activex unles it is absolutely necesary I believe that FF will never be as secure as Opera can be, simply because Opera does not compromyse Security and all the others do!!

@Originally Posted by Firebytes: "In Firefox I can drop down my bookmarks list and right click an entry and then click "open in new tab", etc. I can't do that in Opera, unless there is some setting that I can change to do so. I can't do it by default anyway"
As a matter of fact, in Opera if you open the Bookmarks panel (F4>bookmarks) you can open any and all bookmark in a new tab or in a new background tab withot any tweaking of the settings...

Long View

June 19th, 2008, 09:39 AM

I thought active x was IE ?

anyway what is the problem with 20 tabs ? although I would never do so in practice I have just opened 20 now and can navigate no problem. Perhaps those who find that things stutter have system problems of which they are not aware ?

As to the idea that Opera is more secure - Using a hardware firewall + firefox
and no hips, AV, AS etc I have managed to stay malware free - so I'm not sure how I would know that Opera was more secure.

From a security point of view I wouldn't trade Roboform which works with Firefox for Opera which doesn't.

Arup

June 19th, 2008, 10:16 AM

wand.dat is an encrypted file so in now way is security compromised.

Firebytes

June 19th, 2008, 01:19 PM

-{ Quote: "I haven't used Opera 9.50 yet, but in Opera 9.27 you can uncheck setting 'reuse current tab' to do this." }-

Thanks MrBrian, that did the trick!:thumb: I guess I just never looked at that setting.

-{ Quote: "As a matter of fact, in Opera if you open the Bookmarks panel (F4>bookmarks) you can open any and all bookmark in a new tab or in a new background tab withot any tweaking of the settings..." }-

Unfortunately that requires opening the sidebar and then having to close it back. Just extra steps I don't want to have to take, and I don't leave the sidebar open because I don't like it. MrBrians suggestion did what I wanted though. Thanks for the input anyway MasterTB.

rolarocka

June 19th, 2008, 02:04 PM

I open the bookmarks sidebar with a mouse gesture and close it with the same gesture. I think its fast this way. I also toggle between Tabs with the Forward/Back buttons on the mouse :thumb:

ocean water

June 19th, 2008, 02:31 PM

-{ Quote: "While he's asking about that, I'd like to know if anyone has tried CustomizeGoogle on the final release of FF3. The extension at the add-on website still refers to the alpha release of FF3." }-

Working just fine here. FF3 did not complain about compatibility when I installed.

C.S.J

June 19th, 2008, 04:05 PM

opera has, and still never has worked properly for me.

it has problems opening certain things, or the results its shows, aint what they should be.

browsing is slow, although the program does open pretty quickly.

sure, it has features, but always Firefox for me.

Opera would not even be my 2nd choice, and would definatly be behind IE7, for the reasons that it simply does not work for me.

at the moment, Safari is still the fastest browser, but firefox 3 is very close now behind it, but firefox has the features and presentation which safari lacks.

just my opinion, opera simply does not work properly for my surfing and general use.

Firebytes

June 19th, 2008, 05:08 PM

MrBrians tip to uncheck "reuse current tab" in Opera's settings did allow me to open a bookmark in a new tab by just using the "Bookmarks" dropdown; without having to go to the extra steps of opening and closing the sidebar, etc. The downside is that a bookmark entry clicked on after clicking the "Bookmarks" dropdown at the top of the browser now always opens in a new tab. I like that in Firefox I can just click the "Bookmarks" dropdown, right click a bookmark and have it either open in the same tab, open in a new tab, or open in a new window. I don't understand why Opera won't allow this to be done. In Opera's "Bookmarks" drop down right clicking an entry does nothing, its very annoying to me.

dw426

June 19th, 2008, 07:22 PM

@ OceanWater: Thank you, I love CustomizeGoogle and couldn't figure out why they seemed slow in development. I'll install them again.

@C.S.J: I must be crazy or something else is screwy about my system, but every single time I have tried any Opera release, it has worked beautifully for about a week, then suddenly starts becoming slow to load pages, gets unresponsive, and just plain doesn't act right. A new install fixes it, then, sure enough, let some time pass and it acts up again.

If it would work for more than a week, and, especially if the Opera equivalents of NoScript and AdBlock were just as good, I would have no issue whatsoever using Opera.

MrBrian

June 19th, 2008, 07:33 PM

-{ Quote: "MrBrians tip to uncheck "reuse current tab" in Opera's settings did allow me to open a bookmark in a new tab by just using the "Bookmarks" dropdown; without having to go to the extra steps of opening and closing the sidebar, etc. The downside is that a bookmark entry clicked on after clicking the "Bookmarks" dropdown at the top of the browser now always opens in a new tab. I like that in Firefox I can just click the "Bookmarks" dropdown, right click a bookmark and have it either open in the same tab, open in a new tab, or open in a new window. I don't understand why Opera won't allow this to be done. In Opera's "Bookmarks" drop down right clicking an entry does nothing, its very annoying to me." }-

That's true. However, I use a mouse gesture to quickly close the tab I'm on.

The_1337

June 19th, 2008, 08:47 PM

For speed, this is what I think.

Safari>Opera>FX3>IE7>FX2

There's lots more things you can customize with firefox, but most are unnecessary or opera already has it.

swami

June 20th, 2008, 03:00 AM

"In Opera's "Bookmarks" drop down right clicking an entry does nothing, its very annoying to me."
It opens the bookmark in a new tab for me.

bman412

June 20th, 2008, 03:29 AM

Firefox 3 has a critical vulnerability?

http://secunia.com/advisories/30761/

http://dvlabs.tippingpoint.com/blog/2008/06/18/vulnerability-in-mozilla-firefox-30

DevilFrank

June 20th, 2008, 04:52 AM

I´m so happy that I use IE64 only - so I haven´t to decide between Opera or Firefox. ;D

*SCNR

Arup

June 20th, 2008, 06:09 AM

How do you get Flash to work with IE 64?

Some nice objective Opera vs. FF reports here.

http://forum.weebls-stuff.com/showthread.php?t=73667

http://anotherguy.co.cc/2008/06/the-great-battle-opera-95-vs-firefox-30/

http://www.download.com/8301-2007_4-9973363-12.html

http://www.geekstogo.com/2008/06/18/firefox-3-vs-opera-95/

farmerlee

June 20th, 2008, 06:44 AM

I definitely like opera's speed but i've found 9.5 to be a bit buggy when visiting certain sites. Firefox 3 is my preferred choice at the moment, it may be a little slower but i find it more reliable.

tlu

June 20th, 2008, 07:03 AM

-{ Quote: "
Don't get me wrong, FF is a good browser but since I don't use activex unles it is absolutely necesary I believe that FF will never be as secure as Opera can be, simply because Opera does not compromyse Security and all the others do!!" }-

:argh: Nonsense. FF has never used ActiveX and never will.

DevilFrank

June 20th, 2008, 08:10 AM

-{ Quote: "How do you get Flash to work with IE 64?" }-

I don´t use flash. If it needed I do switch temporary to Opera. But only if I can trust the requested site.

rolarocka

June 20th, 2008, 12:50 PM

Yeah its allways good to have two diferent browsers installed in case some webpage doesnt work.

dw426

June 21st, 2008, 10:34 AM

-{ Quote: "Exactly my opinion. That is why I've stuck with Opera since ver. 4 or so.. And I see no reason for going back to anything else.
Don't get me wrong, FF is a good browser but since I don't use activex unles it is absolutely necesary I believe that FF will never be as secure as Opera can be, simply because Opera does not compromyse Security and all the others do!!" }-

Am I just too tired or did that not make a bit of sense? FF doesn't even use it, as posted before. Also, Active X can be just as safe as Javascript, it's not the technology, it's the abuse of the technology. By the way, EVERY browser compromises security if not properly configured, your browser is the most insecure part of your system (unless you use Windows, then the browser is the 2nd most insecure, hehe).

Long View

June 21st, 2008, 10:39 AM

-{ Quote: " (unless you use Windows, then the browser is the 2nd most insecure, hehe)." }-

Yes you are tired

you mean 3rd most insecure after (1) the user (2) windows :wacko:

dw426

June 21st, 2008, 10:44 AM

-{ Quote: "Yes you are tired

you mean 3rd most insecure after (1) the user (2) windows :wacko:" }-

It WAS a long night, ok, I agree with you on that actually.

Saraceno

June 21st, 2008, 10:27 PM

I've used Firefox for years now, but the latest version of Opera is just too damn fast!

Feels the same with startup, but scrolling through pages this thing is A+. Very quick.

I like it. :)

colt45allstar

June 24th, 2008, 08:26 PM

I'll preface this by stating that I feel I've got some undiagnosed OCD or something... because I compare different things to the point of annoyance to most.

Now then: having said that the winner for me personally is:

Opera!

I like certain aspects of both browsers and I plan on using quite a bit of each, but Opera gets the nod for one reason and one reason alone. Speed... it just plain seems faster. I've been impressed with it's insanely quick page loading since the first version of Opera I've used a couple years back.

With my quad core processor 9 meg cable connection and Opera Pages load up instantly, even with my Kaspersky 2009 set at max everything.

FireFox is fast itself... but there's a definite difference in Opera's favor. I'll put it this way... FireFox 3 while being much faster than FireFox 2 would be a Ferrari... Opera is a Ferrari with massive injections of Turbo added!

So Opera gets the nod for me... honestly though?!? I've been using Safari as much, if not more than even Opera. I much prefer the font style Apple uses... I feel it's just plain nicer to look at when compared to windows based browsers.

In the end I will continue to let my OCD get the better of me and switch back and forth between the three :) Of course Obsessive Compulsive or not... I realize Internet Explorer isn't even a contender and thus won't be used.

Bubba

June 24th, 2008, 10:01 PM

Posts better suited in a thread of their own have been split from this thread.

cont here---> New build of opera released (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=213236)

Eh_Greg

June 24th, 2008, 10:34 PM

Opera #1 ! I'd think it would be securitywise. Never understood how it was possible for Opera to be vulnerable to like 3-5% more of "Unknown" attacks than IE. ?!! The charts that member Cerxes posted. http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=204623

As much as Secunia is respected, I just can't see it being that close. :)

The_1337

June 28th, 2008, 12:45 AM

Wow, after a week of using Fx3, it has crashed at least 10 times now when I had over 5 pages open. I don't see how it could handle hundreds of pages if it can't handle 5 pages consistently.

dw426

June 28th, 2008, 01:00 AM

-{ Quote: "Wow, after a week of using Fx3, it has crashed at least 10 times now when I had over 5 pages open. I don't see how it could handle hundreds of pages if it can't handle 5 pages consistently." }-

Oh boy, I hope that doesn't start happening to me again like it did in FF2. If it ever does I'm dumping Firefox for good. In fact, had I not seen FF3 RC1 and tried it I would have already moved on.

tlu

June 28th, 2008, 10:36 AM

-{ Quote: "Wow, after a week of using Fx3, it has crashed at least 10 times now when I had over 5 pages open. I don't see how it could handle hundreds of pages if it can't handle 5 pages consistently." }-

This never happened to me - and I often have more than 5 tabs open. Your profile is probably corrupted. Create a new one and tell us what happens.

L815

June 28th, 2008, 05:27 PM

Well I was a FF fan before I was Opera. Once I tried Opera I was hooked.
Firefox 2 and 3 still feel bulky. I like that it comes bare bones, but it's not as enjoyable as having 'just the right amount' of features as Opera does.

I don't need or want to go look for the "30 must need extentions" for firefox.
Skinning, Opera 9.50 wins hands down. It looks beautifuly. Even with 9.27 I prefered the default layout.

Opera always felt safer for me. Whenever I'd read something about Opera, the comments would always say it beats Firefox's security out of the water. I don't know the tech behind that theory, but it seems true. I've never been infected with Opera nor FF.

Opera is faster. Scrolling on some sites is smoother than FF3. (mmosite.com for example) Opera's adblock works more efficiently than Adlbock for FF when using Fanboys adblock list and element hider.

Not to mention that cold start of Opera is super fast, while FF3 still needs some time to get it's act together.

Overall, FF is good for customization, and not caring about how bulky it feels.
Opera is better for speed, for looks (out of the box), for feature (out of the box). It's pretty much ready to rock n roll after install.

C.S.J

June 28th, 2008, 05:36 PM

opera is built for security and features, but certainly not speed.

out of the big 4, it comes last in speed for me, and quite a few of the testers reviews agree, obviously Safari is no.1 for speed, but this is were FF3 has improved, the engine renders pages much quicker (i feel) then FF2, and for speed.... Opera just cant keep up.

as for features, firefox does have them... but in the form of addons, sure its a little time consuming, but also fun too, to browse and try through the massive collections of interesting addons, some good, some bad.

lodore

June 28th, 2008, 05:45 PM

opera is definatly the fastest no doubt IMO.
firefox 3 is faster than 2 but cant keep up with opera.
i use opera on my desktop at home.
i use firefox at college. with operausb,if you open it with a session you have to click on ok for every open tab for proxy settings. really annoying. only reason i hardly ever use operausb at college.
i wouldnt touch safari really dont like it. plus the forced install via the apple software updator ticked as default really puts me off it. you can untick it but ticked as default i really really dont like.

rdsu

June 28th, 2008, 05:47 PM

Opera! ;D

The Opera .deb Repository (http://deb.opera.com)

emperordarius

June 28th, 2008, 05:51 PM

Opera is slower for me... I could even make a video, just remains as a blank page or to the same website for like 20 seconds before starting to load another page

eBBox

June 28th, 2008, 05:54 PM

-{ Quote: "opera is definatly the fastest no doubt IMO.
firefox 3 is faster than 2 but cant keep up with opera.
i use opera on my desktop at home.
i use firefox at college. with operausb,if you open it with a session you have to click on ok for every open tab for proxy settings. really annoying. only reason i hardly ever use operausb at college.
i wouldnt touch safari really dont like it. plus the forced install via the apple software updator ticked as default really puts me off it. you can untick it but ticked as default i really really dont like." }-

Thats my expirence as well :thumb: