AV-Comparatives

[computer geek]

New test results coming on 1st of June, its a heuristic test this time. Any expectations anybody?

[entropism]

I expect a 10-20 page thread debating the merits of said test, and the products tested. What do I win? ;)

[kinwolf]

{QUOTE-> I expect a 10-20 page thread debating the merits of said test, and the products tested. What do I win? ;) <-QUOTE}

You win a chance to help me install the winner of that test on all the 8000 workstations at work since we change AV based on tests on weekly basis. ;D

[Bunkhouse Buck]

There will be likely be little statistical variance in individual results compared to the last test in November. If there is significant variance in a few, it would be good to know from the vendor what was changed.

[IBK]

you can not compare the results of retrospective tests, as the test-set changes every time. this time also some other things were changed and also the thresholds for the awards changed. more details will be in the report.

[steve1955]

Do you lot spend the time between tests waiting for the next one?:-think the term "get a life" is applicable here!

[LowWaterMark]

{QUOTE-> Do you lot spend the time between tests waiting for the next one?:-think the term "get a life" is applicable here! <-QUOTE}Hey, just be grateful that this thread was only started a couple days before the results come out. Usually someone starts it a month before and we have 12 pages of predictions before the results get posted. :dry:

[bigc73542]

{QUOTE-> Hey, just be grateful that this thread was only started a couple days before the results come out. Usually someone starts it a month before and we have 12 pages of predictions before the results get posted. :dry: <-QUOTE}


Amen to that :thumb:

[trjam]

{QUOTE-> Hey, just be grateful that this thread was only started a couple days before the results come out. Usually someone starts it a month before and we have 12 pages of predictions before the results get posted. :dry: <-QUOTE}
Or might it be, less and less are depending so much on a AV.:-\

[TonyW]

{QUOTE-> Or might it be, less and less are depending so much on a AV.:-\ <-QUOTE}
Or some of us that still use an AV worry less about such things.

[LoneWolf]

{QUOTE-> Or might it be, less and less are depending so much on a AV.:-\ <-QUOTE}

Possible...........By the way, how is NovaShield working out for you?

[Macstorm]

I don't expect much changes for this test compared to the last one.

As usual, eset with few or zero FP's, avira keeping its leadership in the field, and kaspersky improving their PDM and heuristics a little.

[emperordarius]

Come on Guys, let's wait until tomorrow to speak... ::)

[The Hammer]

{QUOTE-> Hey, just be grateful that this thread was only started a couple days before the results come out. Usually someone starts it a month before and we have 12 pages of predictions before the results get posted. :dry: <-QUOTE}That way everyone is sure to get a chance to post. ;) ;D

[ErikAlbert]

Another Miss AntiVirus contest ? Can't be much different from all the others, except a new winner maybe. :dry:

[steve1955]

{QUOTE-> Hey, just be grateful that this thread was only started a couple days before the results come out. Usually someone starts it a month before and we have 12 pages of predictions before the results get posted. :dry: <-QUOTE}

now look what you've done!(lol)

[Diver]

{QUOTE-> Another Miss AntiVirus contest ? Can't be much different from all the others, except a new winner maybe. :dry: <-QUOTE}


LOLROF...

[RejZoR]

There's no winner or loser, it just shows if they can keep it up or they can't and what kind of track record they have...

[Ximi]

this time i think kaspersky , bitdefender and AVG will score pretty good.
But that's just my guess.

[computer geek]

Probs Avira too, and nod. And IBK, has it been tested with the new or old engine?

[kinwolf]

{QUOTE-> Probs Avira too, and nod. And IBK, has it been tested with the new or old engine? <-QUOTE}

As usual, the answer is on the main page
http://www.av-comparatives.org/

[Jadda]

No AVG 8? No Avira 8? No Avast 4.8? Well ...

[GES/POR]

It shows the versions tested last comparitive. You can bet your hiney latest versions are used for tonights spectacle.

[IBK]

its a retrospective test - the second part of the february test.

[ronjor]

Several off topic posts removed. Please chose your wording carefully when posting and stay on topic.

[beethoven]

The result will clearly show that my AV is the best ::) ... and if not there must be something wrong with the test;D

[Ximi]

{QUOTE-> The result will clearly show that my AV is the best ::) ... and if not there must be something wrong with the test;D <-QUOTE}

and which AV is that ?
We are just curious?

[bigc73542]

{QUOTE-> and which AV is that ?
We are just curious? <-QUOTE}


New: PlaceboAV of course :D

[Diver]

The earth will shake, Wilders members will change AV brands, AV fan boys will become depressed, the Dr. will make a house call, lol....

[maddawgz]

{QUOTE-> The earth will shake, Wilders members will change AV brands, AV fan boys will become depressed, the Dr. will make a house call, lol.... <-QUOTE}

Roflmao and hysteria will break loose but avg will win lol..

[trjam]

Nah, I still put my money on Avira.;)

[s4u]

{QUOTE-> Nah, I still put my money on Avira.;) <-QUOTE}
That makes two of us

[gerardwil]

Look in the summarized tables and you will have your answer.

Gerard

[alloucho]

{QUOTE-> Look in the summarized tables and you will have your answer.

Gerard <-QUOTE}
Avira seems to do well this time in heuristics:thumb:

[s4u]

wow
a lot are doing less good this time

[tsilo]

Who knows about Symentec's improved technology (not yet publicly available) who scored 41% ? in 5 page at the end?
Anyone knows something about it? I am very interesting...

[RejZoR]

Nice job AVIRA. Not that they have the highest detection rate, they also have very low false positive rate and fast scanning.

[pykko]

{QUOTE-> Nice job AVIRA. Not that they have the highest detection rate, they also have very low false positive rate and fast scanning. <-QUOTE}
Agree. Great job. ;)
And the extended report is here:
Avira has 72 % with only 7 FPs. :P

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> Avira seems to do well this time in heuristics:thumb: <-QUOTE}

Not just this time.

[huangker]

Avira does look good. Does anyone what the technical details are behind their heuristics?

[computer geek]

I'm surprised at bitdefender and F-Secure, they usually do good. Specially F-Secure in particular (so many engines)!
Anyway, glad mcafee's done well.

[Arup]

The best won again :)

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> Avira does look good. Does anyone what the technical details are behind their heuristics? <-QUOTE}

Like all good things that work- they are proprietary and closely guarded.

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> The best won again :) <-QUOTE}

Indeed. :thumb:

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> I'm surprised at bitdefender and F-Secure, they usually do good. Specially F-Secure in particular (so many engines)!
Anyway, glad mcafee's done well. <-QUOTE}

In terms of the test, the often maligned McAfee is doing well compared to some others. I get a free McAfee suite with my ISP, but use Avira.

[larryb52]

it's pretty much what I expected, F-secure a bit of a surprise...

[computer geek]

Sophos got lots, but too many FP's, but for people experienced, I don't think FP's would pose a threat, unless desicion is made automatically.

[Firecat]

{QUOTE-> it's pretty much what I expected, F-secure a bit of a surprise... <-QUOTE}
The biggest and most effective part of F-Secure's heuristics works real-time, not on-demand. Also, F-Secure's 2008 version has a number of bugs negatively affecting the on-demand detection rate (personal experience), though the difference in detection rate was never significant in my experience. I have the impression that the next version should bring lots of improvements in this regard, let us see. :)

For me AVG was the surprise as I was not expecting the 7.5 version to get an Advanced rating. AVG 8.0 is the one that has a better heuristics engine.....And AVG isn't all that frequent at updates as some other vendors, so it is a little bit strange. :)

EDIT: I'd also like to praise McAfee for a job well done since they got a respectable "Advanced" rating with zero false positives! :)

[steve1955]

I wonder how detection rates for proactive defence would change if the malware was attempting to run rather than lying dormant and being detected by scanning?

[Ximi]

Wow Sophos seem to do a very good job, it scored most of them all 74%, but unfortunately has also most FP's

Bitdefender seem to not work anything at all last 3 years, they always scored between 40 - 48% all those years, no improvements at all from BD, and almost most FP'S.
So i am very dissapointed at Bitdefender.

Avira seem to do a very good job and this time with LOW FP's, so i give a :thumb: UP to Avira.

[trjam]

Avira :thumb: :thumb:
Eset :thumb:

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> Avira :thumb: :thumb:
Eset :thumb: <-QUOTE}


Good to see ya back! :thumb:

[trjam]

who says I ever went anywhere.;)

[s4u]

I think KIS v2009 is doing pretty well as well

[Baz_kasp]

Another day, another test. Take five minutes to digest, then move on ;D

Congratulations to all of the vendors for some good results. Avira surprised me with their low FP.... last time I tried it every second file on my HD was suspicious :o

[TonyW]

Under the section detailing where to send possible false alarms, should it not say that F-Secure also uses the Kaspersky engine as the F-Secure false alarm detections are the same as that of Kaspersky.

[Diver]

Eset and Avira, no surprise.

AVG and McAfee, two sleepers.

Symantec, falling down on the job?

Sophos, for professional use only?

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> Another day, another test. Take five minutes to digest, then move on ;D

Congratulations to all of the vendors for some good results. Avira surprised me with their low FP.... last time I tried it every second file on my HD was suspicious :o <-QUOTE}

Gotta get rid of those suspicious files on your HD :D

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> who says I ever went anywhere.;) <-QUOTE}

Then your avatar lies :D

[C.S.J]

as expected ::)

[C.S.J]

but only 11,000 samples, from a week collection? ::)

obviously, this creates a much bigger percentage difference between some.

[kinwolf]

{QUOTE-> Under the section detailing where to send possible false alarms, should it not say that F-Secure also uses the Kaspersky engine as the F-Secure false alarm detections are the same as that of Kaspersky. <-QUOTE}

F-Secure does not use Kaspersky heuristic technology and vice versa. So in this test it's normal that they get different results and false positive on F-Secure might not be present on the kaspersky side(and again, vice-versa)

[trjam]

{QUOTE-> Good to see ya back! :thumb: <-QUOTE}
Err, and then maybe I did.:dry:

[TonyW]

{QUOTE-> So in this test it's normal that they get different results and false positive on F-Secure might not be present on the kaspersky side(and again, vice-versa) <-QUOTE}
F-Secure had the same two false alarms as Kaspersky, which is why I suggested the addendum to the engine paragraph.

Edit: screenshot removed as requested.

[Hellas]

My Avira AntiVir 8.0 Premium has Never let me down. :):):)

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE-> My Avira AntiVir 8.0 Premium has Never let me down. :):):) <-QUOTE}
You must be a fan of Avira AntiVir Premium. I hope you are right after the AV-Comparatives results. Personally I think AVG and Microsoft OneCare will be the best. :)

[GES/POR]

{QUOTE-> My Avira AntiVir 8.0 Premium has Never let me down. :):):) <-QUOTE}

I agree back in the day when i used 8.0 it was one tough mother. Man how much i miss the 80's!

[TonyW]

{QUOTE-> Personally I think AVG and Microsoft OneCare will be the best. <-QUOTE}They both got the ADVANCED rating with 32% and 29% respectively, but with few false positives.

[MalwareDie]

{QUOTE-> but only 11,000 samples, from a week collection? ::)

obviously, this creates a much bigger percentage difference between some. <-QUOTE}

The next test will have both detections of one week and one month old samples.

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> They both got the ADVANCED rating with 32% and 29% respectively, but with few false positives. <-QUOTE}

The converse of that is that the two you mentioned missed 68% and 71% of "new" samples respectively. Not something I would rely upon for proactive/heuristic protection.

[huangker]

{QUOTE-> The converse of that is that the two you mentioned missed 68% and 71% of "new" samples respectively. Not something I would rely upon for proactive/heuristic protection. <-QUOTE}

Well that is over a week, when most AV have signature updates daily. So I think the stats over at shadowserver.org provide better indication of how you will be protected in practice.

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> Well that is over a week, when most AV have signature updates daily. So I think the stats over at shadowserver.org provide better indication of how you will be protected in practice. <-QUOTE}

Avira excels in both tests unlike many of the others. Avira is #1 on a yearly basis with Shadowserver and was top rated in the most recent quarterly AV-Comparatives Retrospect. Tests of course do not necessarily represent what people experience in the real world, but I would rather employ an AV that tests well as opposed to one that doesn't.

http://www.shadowserver.org/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=Stats.VirusYearlyStats

[Macstorm]

{QUOTE-> Agree. Great job. ;)
Avira has 72 % with only 7 FPs. :P <-QUOTE}
Just like my expectations, although i'm not using it currently :)

[djohn]

{QUOTE-> Err, and then maybe I did.:dry: <-QUOTE}
Na just took a short vacation;D

[djohn]

Torn between to lovers here, Avira and Drweb dont know which one to break it off with.may just sneak over Drwebs house again.:shifty:

[trjam]

{QUOTE-> My Avira AntiVir 8.0 Premium has Never let me down. :):):) <-QUOTE}
And it wont, if you use some good old common sense.;)

[Edwin024]

Ans that's the case with almost every piece of security/av/malware software that someone uses.

[huangker]

{QUOTE-> Ans that's the case with almost every piece of security/av/malware software that someone uses. <-QUOTE}

Common sense is especially good with PlaceboAV

[Bunkhouse Buck]

The biggest problem with AVs or any other software issue is user error. That does not get addressed that much in this forum, since common sense and non-paranoia often seem to be in short supply. Use a top-ranked AV and add some common sense- and you will be protected and well served.

[QBgreen]

The thing that most impresses me about AntiVir is the speed at which it has become a consistent leader. I remember not too long ago when it was an 'also ran' A/V with folks making fun of Luke Filewalker! The fact that the more knowledgeable posters here at Wilders have come to expect the numbers that it achieves speaks volumes. Nicely done Avira!

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> The thing that most impresses me about AntiVir is the speed at which it has become a consistent leader. I remember not too long ago when it was an 'also ran' A/V with folks making fun of Luke Filewalker! The fact that the more knowledgeable posters here at Wilders have come to expect the numbers that it achieves speaks volumes. Nicely done Avira! <-QUOTE}

You are right- it just works well. In fact, the test scores at various sites may have made Avira a target for criticism- it works too well for many. I have never had a problem except some issues with WebGuard which I simply did not install that module when installing the suite. Light as a feather on my laptop.

[The_Duality]

Read -> Nod -> Dismiss

Nice to see Avira at the top again - but I will just use what I have always used, with a pinch of common sense. :)

[ErikAlbert]

Is the test bed also full of rootkits and vundo variants (as much as possible) ?

[Killtek]

I'm very happy with Avira... glad too see it's still on the top :)

[djohn]

I agree,along with a good AV like Avira, common sense and some Self control Is a great combo.My genereal rule Is apps need to earn there way on my machine.I dont open emails from any one other then what Is a must need basis.I do not explore the known dark side for any reason not matter how tempting It may be.

[Arup]

The best part is Avira manages to do it with the least system impact and drama than the other AVs out on the market.

[subset]

{QUOTE-> I remember not too long ago when it was an 'also ran' A/V with folks making fun of Luke Filewalker! <-QUOTE}
Years ago, at about that time from the oldest reports of AV-C (2004) I had a very bad experience with Avira.

Downloaded a file and scanned it with Avira... nothing.
Moved to another PC and scanned it with Kaspersky... pig squeal.

Now my big mistake was, that I trusted Avira because I thought it was a FP by KAV.
This was the last time for years that I trusted Avira. :ouch:

But things have changed, Kaspersky prefers to slow down even Chkdsk and is incompatible with most of the other security products, the glory days are definitively long gone.

Now I tested a few AVs and at the end I decided to use Avira again, only the Guard and the Scanner of Avira Premium.
It's light, has a decent detection rate and doesn't conflict with my other security software.
That's all I expect from an AV.

Cheers

[emperordarius]

{QUOTE-> :

But things have changed, Kaspersky prefers to slow down even Chkdsk

Cheers <-QUOTE}

I'm sick of this stupid thing. Why do you blame so much kaspersky for that? It's only a small slowdown, plus that chkdsk is a tool that users may run like once a month (or more probably when they have some harddisk problems), is it so a big deal a 5 min slowdown???
Besides this, this issue IS NOT PRESENT in Kaspersky 2009 products.

[djohn]

{QUOTE-> I'm sick of this stupid thing. Why do you blame so much kaspersky for that? It's only a small slowdown, plus that chkdsk is a tool that users may run like once a month (or more probably when they have some harddisk problems), is it so a big deal a 5 min slowdown???
Besides this, this issue IS NOT PRESENT in Kaspersky 2009 products. <-QUOTE}
I ran kaspersky for the trial with No Issues at all For me.

[Graystoke]

I know there is a love fest here when it comes to Avira, so I'm almost afraid to say anything bad about it. I'm must be the only person who has had any problems with Avira.

Every time I've tried to run a rootkit scan with Avira IS, it never makes it through to the end. It will stop at 24%, 60%, 84%, etc, etc. It's very frustrating. The strangest thing about this is, it did this on my old computer, and now on my brand new 2 month old computer.

I thought Avira didn't like my computer, but now I'm convinced, it's personal. Avira just doesn't like me. :-[

[JasSolo]

Don't be sad Graystoke. Just do like me and lots of other people, Use something else :)


Cheers

[Baz_kasp]

{QUOTE->
But things have changed, Kaspersky prefers to slow down even Chkdsk and is incompatible with most of the other security products, the glory days are definitively long gone. <-QUOTE}

*Queue sad music*

I wonder how you expect KAV/KIS to run along side, Norton Internet Security for example....

Chkdsk issue is long gone and it is old news....to tell you the truth nobody cares anymore...because it's fixed and it was no big deal in the first place.... and those that do have some........issues....


The "glory days" haven't started yet mate, you haven't seen the half of it :D

[maddawgz]

I love the new Antivir 8 , im using firefox 3 and it caught a bogie downloading ;D ;D Bye Avg 8

[subset]

{QUOTE->
I wonder how you expect KAV/KIS to run along side, Norton Internet Security for example....
<-QUOTE}
Norton ???
Please take a look here http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1244982&postcount=15

{QUOTE->
Chkdsk issue is long gone and it is old news....
<-QUOTE}
I have three PCs running with this problem and I know, that it's fixed with KAV/KIS 2009.
But it's present on my systems as a reminder for very dubious and irreversible manipulations of a so called security software.
Who known which dirty tricks done next? :lurking:

Cheers

[danny9]

{QUOTE-> I know there is a love fest here when it comes to Avira, so I'm almost afraid to say anything bad about it. I'm must be the only person who has had any problems with Avira.

Every time I've tried to run a rootkit scan with Avira IS, it never makes it through to the end. It will stop at 24%, 60%, 84%, etc, etc. It's very frustrating. The strangest thing about this is, it did this on my old computer, and now on my brand new 2 month old computer.

I thought Avira didn't like my computer, but now I'm convinced, it's personal. Avira just doesn't like me. :-[ <-QUOTE}

If I remember correctly, try running the rootkit scan by it self.
When it's tied into the full system scan it does cause your problem.
There was a thread about this issue running on the AVira forums awhile back.

[Graystoke]

{QUOTE-> If I remember correctly, try running the rootkit scan by it self.
When it's tied into the full system scan it does cause your problem.
There was a thread about this issue running on the AVira forums awhile back. <-QUOTE}

I've tried running it by itself, but that didn't work for me either.


{QUOTE-> Don't be sad Graystoke. Just do like me and lots of other people, Use something else


Cheers <-QUOTE}

Yeah, I'm quite happy with what I'm using now. I just hate accepting defeat. ;) :)

[Einsturzende]

{QUOTE-> Norton ???
Please take a look here http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1244982&postcount=15
<-QUOTE}

http://support.kaspersky.com/faq/?qid=208279498
(It is written for Kaspersky 7 series but work on 2009 series as well)

Also, you will need to disable (or not to install) PD in KAV to work as expected (without issues), two behavior blockers are not good thing to have installed together...

[steve1955]

{QUOTE-> Norton ???
Please take a look here http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1244982&postcount=15


I have three PCs running with this problem and I know, that it's fixed with KAV/KIS 2009.
But it's present on my systems as a reminder for very dubious and irreversible manipulations of a so called security software.
Who known which dirty tricks done next? :lurking:

Cheers <-QUOTE}
it is reversible,without a format!

[Macstorm]

{QUOTE-> Every time I've tried to run a rootkit scan with Avira IS, it never makes it through to the end. It will stop at 24%, 60%, 84%, etc, etc. It's very frustrating. The strangest thing about this is, it did this on my old computer, and now on my brand new 2 month old computer. <-QUOTE}
And that's it... you have to find what common program is running and conflicting with avira on your both machines.
Or should i say instead, don't do it and stick with KIS better ;D

[Graystoke]

{QUOTE-> And that's it... you have to find what common program is running and conflicting with avira on your both machines.
Or should i say instead, don't do it and stick with KIS better ;D <-QUOTE}


I'm using something other than KIS right now, but there's always the possibility I will return to it again. :)

[iwod]

The only reason i am using AVG now is because AntiVir 's pop up ads during update.
Is this still the case?

[danny9]

{QUOTE-> The only reason i am using AVG now is because AntiVir 's pop up ads during update.
Is this still the case? <-QUOTE}

Yes that's still the case in the free version.
I don't understand what the big deal is over this though.
One of the best av's out there, for free, and it draws complaints over a pop up that takes a second to click off.
Give me a break folks. :)

[Macstorm]

{QUOTE-> The only reason i am using AVG now is because AntiVir 's pop up ads during update.
Is this still the case? <-QUOTE}
It's still the same behavior for the new AntiVir 8 free, if it's what you're asking.

[Technic]

{QUOTE-> It's still the same behavior for the new AntiVir 8 free, if it's what you're asking. <-QUOTE}

That's correct. But I like the feel of security. :argh: