HELL HAS FROZE OVER!!....Norton to Speed, Not Slow, Computers

[337]

http://www.lockergnome.com/blade/2008/05/23/symantec-finally-admits-their-software-slows-down-a-pc/
:o

[Bunkhouse Buck]

-{ Quote: "http://www.lockergnome.com/blade/2008/05/23/symantec-finally-admits-their-software-slows-down-a-pc/
:o" }-

All anti-malware software will slow down your computer to some extent, and some programs have more of an impact than another. If this is indeed Symantec's intention to have a zero impact AV program- I will believe it when I see it and test it.

[C.S.J]

apart from a longer install and a big chunk of the harddrive taken, i wouldnt really say the latest versions 'slow down' systems.

norton have leaped boundaries since 2006, the 2007 version was a revelation.

[Bunkhouse Buck]

-{ Quote: "apart from a longer install and a big chunk of the harddrive taken, i wouldnt really say the latest versions 'slow down' systems.



norton have leaped boundaries since 2006, the 2007 version was a revelation." }-


Have to disagree. They all slow down your system to some degree- that is indisputable.

[337]

-{ Quote: "apart from a longer install and a big chunk of the harddrive taken, i wouldnt really say the latest versions 'slow down' systems.

norton have leaped boundaries since 2006, the 2007 version was a revelation." }-

The fact they admitted the slow down is a revelation.. LOL!!
But in all fairness 07-08 has been pretty good, can't wait to see what they churn out next!!;D

[lodore]

hey did i just see a pig fly?
anyway is that acually psyically possible?

[Bunkhouse Buck]

-{ Quote: "The fact they admitted the slow down is a revelation.. LOL!!
But in all fairness 07-08 has been pretty good, can't wait to see what they churn out next!!;D" }-

I have NIS 2008 and 360 and they run lighter than any programs Symantec has produced. But, lighter is not without some weight on your system. Several AVs I use run lighter on my systems than Norton including NOD32, Dr. Web, and Avira. So they have a ways to go until they can match what already has been produced by others.

[337]

-{ Quote: "hey did i just see a pig fly?
anyway is that acually psyically possible?" }-
As long as it uses ram and cpu time, it will have impact but if it is unnoticeable then who cares. Maybe they will multi thread their software to take advantage of all those wasted cores out there! These are exciting times for sure!!

[Bunkhouse Buck]

-{ Quote: "hey did i just see a pig fly?
anyway is that acually psyically possible?" }-

No, but they want you to believe it as it creates interest and attention for their products. :D

[subset]

Hi,

to do well is better than to say you will do well next time... but the other way round is much easier. ::)

I have tried NAV 2008, overall it's decent.
But what I didn't like was its RAM scaling, very low in idle mode but running up the scale when I launched some applications.

Cheers

[Ximi]

is Norton 360 light or what do you think about this product version?

[The Hammer]

Interesting article here. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2308131,00.asp

[Bunkhouse Buck]

-{ Quote: "Interesting article here. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2308131,00.asp" }-

The article says "he hopes" that the new Norton suite will not impact performance and in one case (not clear) make a box run faster. Hopes are not facts, and until I see concrete proof of a no impact AV, I will look at this as nothing more than typical marketing wishful/magical thinking.

[Diver]

Things are not as bad since dual core processors came on the market. One core runs the AV while the other does the work, LOL.

[steve1955]

some people will believe anything the press or the marketing men tell them:-just look at the sales of after shave etc,the ones that make you irresistible to women!

[337]

-{ Quote: "some people will believe anything the press or the marketing men tell them:-just look at the sales of after shave etc,the ones that make you irresistible to women!" }-
Hey silver tongues and shiny packaging sells!! They have marketing down to an art. The other tactic is fear mongering. I love the hype insecurity firms dish out!!
All those "new" must have features that no one else has!! Oooops we forgot to tell you it will bring your system to its knees and may be unstable on days that end in Y. BUT HEY, WHAT IS YOUR SECURITY WORTH??8)
Sorry had to let that out...:dry:

[Macstorm]

-{ Quote: "just look at the sales of after shave etc,the ones that make you irresistible to women!" }-LOL :D
-{ Quote: "Mr. Trollope has an ambitious goal: to build “zero-impact” security software that doesn’t slow PCs down at all. “I’ve staked my career and reputation on this,” he says." }-It's true! pigs do fly! ;D

[RejZoR]

I already know such thing. It's called the "OFF button" on the PC case...;D

[computer geek]

-{ Quote: "“zero-impact” security software that doesn’t slow PCs down at all. " }-
Unless they have software that magically transfers its name to another competitor, for example if you're using threatfire with norton, and the norton process tries and disguises itself as a threatfire one... how is that possible? :wacko:

[midway40]

This is old news. Symantec more or less confessed this earlier this year in their security blog. Since then however they have revamped the blog site and now that post is gone.

I would still be using Norton now if it wasn't for the web page "hangs" I experienced (and blamed on satellite latency, lol).

[midway40]

BTW, check out Bionic Norton (http://community.norton.com/norton/blog/article?blog.id=npb1&message.id=99) ;D

[ErikAlbert]

In the beginning they told me : when your computer works slower it's an indication that your computer has "malware". Later on, I noticed that "Anti-Malware" also slowed down my computer.
So I don't know anymore, if I'm infected or not, it could be my AV scanner. ;)

[The Hammer]

-{ Quote: "
So I don't know anymore, if I'm infected or not" }-Things generally are more fluid and work better when there not frozen.;) Perhaps a system thaw will be of help.:D

[L815]

You can't ever have a zero impact program.

Even the hello world program can impact a system, even if it is for a few seconds. :shifty:

[Bubba]

numerous posts un-related to this threads topic were moved to a thread of their own for further discussion.

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=210623

Bubba

[ablatt]

I have used NOD32 for a long time and recently decided to give NIS 2008 a spin.

I have an Opteron 170, Vista Ultimate 32-bit and 2GB Ram. Nothing that fancy.

I am actually surprised at how light it is compared to NOD 3.0.650. Not much difference actually.

It does use a lot of disk space for all it's stuff, but I can live with it.

Looking forward to see how it does on the May av-comparatives. If not great, I may switch back.

But some people are having trouble with the new NOD, and I started having a few blue screens that I wasn't able to pinpoint the cause of, so I gave NIS a spin.

[ErikAlbert]

Norton is very popular in Belgium. One of the largest bank in Belgium uses Norton.
This bank has lots of employees so they use also Norton and their family members and people they know as well.
I think that this is one the main reasons, why Norton is so popular in Belgium, which is a pretty small country. My first AV was also Norton (N.I.S.), never heard of KAV or NOD.

Each time a malware hits many computers world-wide, we see it on the news, with the Norton yellow boxes in the background and every computer shop is selling more AV's than usual. Typical human behavior : act when it is too late. ;D

[Fuzzfas]

-{ Quote: "Norton is very popular in Belgium. One of the largest bank in Belgium uses Norton.
... My first AV was also Norton (N.I.S.), never heard of KAV or NOD.

" }-

It's not just Belgium. More or less in all european countries there is a Mr. Yellow empire. Or at least it was up to 4-5 years ago. In the last years you do hear and see more AVs, but Norton is still the most "famous". I remember one a friend some years ago that came to my house, we sat in front of the PC, he didn't see the Norton tray icon (the image of God) and told me "wow, you don't have Norton? Internet is dangerous!". ;D ;D

In the few past years, you do have more choices in shops and more pubblicity of other AVs in pc magazines and it was actually Norton's "resource hogging" releases that made some people to wonder "Hey! What if Norton isn't the only antivirus around?" , which made them go to shops and some them "discovered" the "underdogs" on the lower shelves of the stores, below the multiple lines of yellow boxes. ;D

[ErikAlbert]

Fuzzfas,
Thanks for the funny 'friend' story. ;D and yes, your Norton's history is plausible.
Some users are really brainwashed by their AV, if it wasn't software, it would frighten me. :)

[jrx10]

-{ Quote: "The article says "he hopes" that the new Norton suite will not impact performance and in one case (not clear) make a box run faster." }- That one "not clear" case was previously running Mcafee. ;D I've heard that the Norton business AV 10.1/10.2 (I think it's been updated to 11 or something else) was a lot better than the regular consumer (personal) Norton/symantec AV. I don't know as I haven't run Symantec/Norton since 2000 when they screwed me out of about 9 months worth of updates. Back then I didn't know much that much about computers and was running system works. I developed a computer problem and had a local shop look at it. They saved my data but had to do a reinstall and all their reinstalls included a clean install of system-works included in the bill. Since I had an almost new retail copy of system works, I tried to install it on my wife's computer. Norton wouldn't do it, & said that I was SOL, tough. Haven't been a customer of theirs since then, and probably never will.
(unless they pony up the 9 months they owe me)

[Bunkhouse Buck]

-{ Quote: "I have used NOD32 for a long time and recently decided to give NIS 2008 a spin.

I have an Opteron 170, Vista Ultimate 32-bit and 2GB Ram. Nothing that fancy.

I am actually surprised at how light it is compared to NOD 3.0.650. Not much difference actually.

It does use a lot of disk space for all it's stuff, but I can live with it.

Looking forward to see how it does on the May av-comparatives. If not great, I may switch back.

But some people are having trouble with the new NOD, and I started having a few blue screens that I wasn't able to pinpoint the cause of, so I gave NIS a spin." }-

That is exactly my experience. The May test will likely show little change, although some test parameters were changed and of course new test-sets are employed. NIS 2008 does not have the best heuristics- Avira and NOD32 lead the list- or have in the past. Norton is decent in heuristics- just not outstanding.

[ablatt]

Well Bunkhouse, NIS 2008 is off and Avira Premium 8 is on.

Found a free 3 month license to try with.

NIS's heuristics appear to be falling behind in the latest comparatives.

I just hope that Avira does the job and doesn't report too many FP's.

A bit disappointed it doesn't scan my Outlook-based SSL email but that may not be such a bad thing.

[Bunkhouse Buck]

-{ Quote: "Well Bunkhouse, NIS 2008 is off and Avira Premium 8 is on.

Found a free 3 month license to try with.

NIS's heuristics appear to be falling behind in the latest comparatives.

I just hope that Avira does the job and doesn't report too many FP's.

A bit disappointed it doesn't scan my Outlook-based SSL email but that may not be such a bad thing." }-

Yes, you are right. I reinstalled Avira Security Suite after poor NIS heuristics showing at comparatives and the fact that it simply runs heavier on my machine than Avira. Avira has had few FPs for me- contrary to some others. I have all heuristics set on high. Don't worry about mail scans. If anything tries to execute, it will likely be stopped.

[lodore]

all i can say is watch this space. maybe for once symantec will use all of its employees to make something good.

[337]

-{ Quote: "all i can say is watch this space. maybe for once symantec will use all of its employees to make something good." }-

The 07-08 NIS versions are looking up! I had a bad taste put in my mouth back in 03-04 with their software, but if they can deliver a top notch security product that is lighter than the current crop, then I will be hard pressed to pass them by!! However, due to the mass O.E. installs and the Norton following in general I suspect they will fair just fine even if this turns out to be a "flash in the pan!":lurking:

[C.S.J]

-{ Quote: "The 07-08 NIS versions are looking up! I had a bad taste put in my mouth back in 03-04 with their software, but if they can deliver a top notch security product that is lighter than the current crop, then I will be hard pressed to pass them by!! However, due to the mass O.E. installs and the Norton following in general I suspect they will fair just fine even if this turns out to be a "flash in the pan!":lurking:" }-
i actually liked their 2005 product too, although many people did not. :D

2006 was the biggest disaster ever, but 2007 was truly amazing.

[337]

So does the 2009 beta make your pc faster?8)

[RiverLights]

-{ Quote: "Things are not as bad since dual core processors came on the market. One core runs the AV while the other does the work, LOL." }-


I have what should still be a pretty quick dual core. intel 6700 @2.66 with a couple gigs of ram.

I use and like the 2008 version of Norton's suite, but my daily full scan...even in the background....slows my system WAYYYY down on my machine.

The rest of the time it is fine.

[the_sly_dog]

same here amd AMD Phenom™ X4 Quad-Core 9600, 4gig ram, Nvidia 9800, 2x 500gig sata when i do a scan it does make it slow down abit