fdisr rescue sandboxing question

[Tony]

Hi, does the sandboxing rescue area allow you to test programs that require a reboot?

[Peter2150]

-{ Quote: "Hi, does the sandboxing rescue area allow you to test programs that require a reboot?" }-

Not sure what you mean by sandboxing the rescue area. Can you further explain what you are asking?

[Tony]

Hi Peter

-{ Quote: "SandboxingVirtual Sandbox - Rescue Screen

Advanced users can also use the RESCUE area as a "sandbox" in which to test applications or other system changes. Simply boot to the RESCUE area and try the change. When done testing, boot back to the ORIGINAL area and refresh, with the Copy/Update command, to remove the changes made to the RESCUE area. " }-

Taken from http://www.horizondatasys.com/253715.ihtml

[Acadia]

Yes, Tony, I believe that it will. I do not have this version of FDISR but if it works like the "original" you can indeed reboot and not lose anything until you want to lose it.

Acadia

[Peter2150]

-{ Quote: "Hi, does the sandboxing rescue area allow you to test programs that require a reboot?" }-

Hi Tony

I didn't realize HDS was describing that way. The answer is absolutely. You can install something in the rescue area, leave it there, reboot, until you desire to remove it. THen a c opy/update from the primary area and it's gone.

Pete

[Tony]

Thank you :thumb:

This version may suit me then as i only really need 2 snapshots, just one of my freshly installed OS, and one updated snapshot of my current system.
If i can also test software that needs a reboot then fdisr rescue would be about right for me.

[Peter2150]

-{ Quote: "Thank you :thumb:

This version may suit me then as i only really need 2 snapshots, just one of my freshly installed OS, and one updated snapshot of my current system.
If i can also test software that needs a reboot then fdisr rescue would be about right for me." }-

You won't be able to test reboot, and then get rid of what you tested with the config you describe. To be able to test software, and then remove it both snapshot will remain the same most of the time.

I would do the fresh system install, image the system, and then install FDISR-Rescue, and create your second snapshot. I would then also reimage the system.

Pete

[Tony]

Thanks Peter :)

If thats the case then i cannot see much point in having FDISR Rescue and i may as well stick with imaging software.

[aigle]

FDISR rescue is totally useless. No body will use it as it has no much benefit over regular imaging. Original FDISR was something else. They killed it now.

[Tony]

from what i have read they have discontinued the original FDISR as it was no longer viable financially.

If this were the case then why not at least drop the price to make it more affordable rather than have a stripped down version for a better price that no one really wants.

Is there any plans afoot to release a newer and better version?

[Peter2150]

-{ Quote: "FDISR rescue is totally useless. No body will use it as it has no much benefit over regular imaging. Original FDISR was something else. They killed it now." }-

I don't agree aigle. For over a year I used FDISR in just the mode that rescue works. That was before they even added archives. Was worth it's weight in gold to me then even in that form.

Pete

[Leapfrog Software]

Greetings aigle,

I read your post today. I have to say that I can put myself into your shoes and see your point of view, but it slightly pains me at the same time. I know if you have already seen FirstDefense-ISR then migrated to the HDS FirstDefense Rescue product it may be a tough pill to swallow, but let me throw in my two cents.

As you have read, FirstDefense-ISR was just not selling with its included features at the price point it was at. There is a market and price point for it, just not this one.

Of course, the alternative was to stop selling the ISR-ish products all together, but then nobody gets any form of this wonderful technology (blatant self-marketing plug). As much as I love offering the world a nifty software utility, the wives do like us to be able to put dinner on the table each night.

The HDS product was developed with features that the majority (key word) of users really needed and at a lower price (more key words) point. So far, this strategy is working better.

Now, what to do with FD-ISR.... FD-ISR is really cool (another blatant self-marketing plug), you fine folks use it, and I use it as well. Instead of it killing it, we decided to keep it updated. In fact, we are looking at an update in the near future.

I am not trying to convince you of anything, just trying to help shed light on the situation. I hope this helps.

OK, sorry folks for being a bit off topic for this thread, but getting back to it: Yes, you can use FirstDefense Rescue as described in a previous post(thx Peter2150 and Acadia) as a sand-boxing tool. Boot to the Rescue area, install and test a product, then boot back and update the Rescue Area.

[Acadia]

-{ Quote: " ... In fact, we are looking at an update in the near future ... " }-
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

[timcan]

-{ Quote: "







Now, what to do with FD-ISR.... FD-ISR is really cool (another blatant self-marketing plug), you fine folks use it, and I use it as well. Instead of it killing it, we decided to keep it updated. In fact, we are looking at an update in the near future.

" }-
Hi,:) I know most everything in this forum is about FD-ISR but how will this affect Bootback-ISR users? Will there be updates for us too?Thanks,tim

[Peter2150]

-{ Quote: "Hi,:) I know most everything in this forum is about FD-ISR but how will this affect Bootback-ISR users? Will there be updates for us too?Thanks,tim" }-

Todd can confirm, but I do believe so.

Pete

[aigle]

-{ Quote: "I don't agree aigle. For over a year I used FDISR in just the mode that rescue works. That was before they even added archives. Was worth it's weight in gold to me then even in that form.

Pete" }-
-{ Quote: "Greetings aigle,

I read your post today. I have to say that I can put myself into your shoes and see your point of view, but it slightly pains me at the same time. I know if you have already seen FirstDefense-ISR then migrated to the HDS FirstDefense Rescue product it may be a tough pill to swallow, but let me throw in my two cents.

As you have read, FirstDefense-ISR was just not selling with its included features at the price point it was at. There is a market and price point for it, just not this one.

Of course, the alternative was to stop selling the ISR-ish products all together, but then nobody gets any form of this wonderful technology (blatant self-marketing plug). As much as I love offering the world a nifty software utility, the wives do like us to be able to put dinner on the table each night.

The HDS product was developed with features that the majority (key word) of users really needed and at a lower price (more key words) point. So far, this strategy is working better.

Now, what to do with FD-ISR.... FD-ISR is really cool (another blatant self-marketing plug), you fine folks use it, and I use it as well. Instead of it killing it, we decided to keep it updated. In fact, we are looking at an update in the near future.
" }-
Your points are valid. I was never a FDISR user except for running a trial of it but I do like the original FDISR. With FDISR rescue there is only one backup snapshot and one working. If your working snapshot is messed u can go back to recure snapshot. Now it saves u from a reinstall of OS but doesn,t give you much of an adavantage over an imaging software where u can have almost similar recovery with a slightly more time. The difference is much less especially due to fast speed of imaging software now a days and many features like incremental and differential snapshots.

I wish you could have offered two versions of it, one old one, may be at an even more higher price and one Rescue with a lower price.

Ofcourse it,s all just my opinion. U need not agree with me.:)

[Leapfrog Software]

Greetings timcan,

Yes, BootBack, Raxco FD-ISR, and Leapfrog FD-ISR users are getting an "upgrade". I put this in qoutes since I will most likely migrate all to a single branded version. Makes my life loads easier(development, testing and deployment of a single code base) and yours in the future.
Still working on those details.

[Peter2150]

-{ Quote: "Greetings timcan,

Yes, BootBack, Raxco FD-ISR, and Leapfrog FD-ISR users are getting an "upgrade". I put this in qoutes since I will most likely migrate all to a single branded version. Makes my life loads easier(development, testing and deployment of a single code base) and yours in the future.
Still working on those details." }-

Hi Todd

One favor re upgrades. If possible can it be a full installer. The upgrade patches prove to a pain in the butt down the line. If not possible I understand. I do realize there may be "reasons".

Pete

[Leapfrog Software]

Greetings Pete,

Yes, all of our packages have been and will be full installs. A lot less headaches for both us and the customer.

I think Raxco took the upgrade route on some of their installers, which is why you are probably asking.

[pbernard]

This is interesting. My FD-ISR shows V 3.21 Build 205. Is that the last update or did I miss one along the way prior to Todd's post today? Thanks.
Pat

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "This is interesting. My FD-ISR shows V 3.21 Build 205. Is that the last update or did I miss one along the way prior to Todd's post today? Thanks.
Pat" }-
FDISR v3.21 Build 205 is the latest version.

[pbernard]

Thanks Erik, that's good to know that I'm up to date!! It seems that I've had the program for so long that I had to look it up when I purchased it.
Pat

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "Thanks Erik, that's good to know that I'm up to date!! It seems that I've had the program for so long that I had to look it up when I purchased it.
Pat" }-
I bought FDISR on 2006.06.01, almost 2 years ago and it's the most fascinating software, I ever had on my computer.
ShadowProtect is also very good, but bores me to death. :)

[beethoven]

Re the last version, I seem to remember that the last version did not contain some benefits re freeze function. At that time I was told that the last full version was an earlier version. I am currently running 3.2 Build 202 (very happily) and (shame on me) have not even tried the freeze function.

Eric, this is your cue ;D

[pbernard]

Erik you are a year ahead of me in purchasing FD-ISR and I agree with you; altho I'm very simple and only use 1 primary, 1 secondary and 1 archive to an external disk (think that I can go with 10!!) I'm afraid that if I have more, I wouldn't be able to keep it all straight and with Paragon, I feel pretty confident. It will be interesting what FD-ISR (Raxco/Leapfrog - it gets a bit confusing) will come up with as far as an update goes. I have to tell you that I appreciate all your posts concerning your experiences with the program (have printed out many of them) and it has helped me in understanding various methods of using FD-ISR.
Pat

[Peter2150]

-{ Quote: "Erik you are a year ahead of me in purchasing FD-ISR and I agree with you; altho I'm very simple and only use 1 primary, 1 secondary and 1 archive to an external disk (think that I can go with 10!!) I'm afraid that if I have more, I wouldn't be able to keep it all straight and with Paragon, I feel pretty confident. It will be interesting what FD-ISR (Raxco/Leapfrog - it gets a bit confusing) will come up with as far as an update goes. I have to tell you that I appreciate all your posts concerning your experiences with the program (have printed out many of them) and it has helped me in understanding various methods of using FD-ISR.
Pat" }-

Welcome to the club Pat.

[Peter2150]

-{ Quote: "Greetings Pete,

Yes, all of our packages have been and will be full installs. A lot less headaches for both us and the customer.

I think Raxco took the upgrade route on some of their installers, which is why you are probably asking." }-

You are right about Raxco. Glad to hear you are going the full installer route.

Thanks,

Pete

[beethoven]

-{ Quote: "Erik ... I have to tell you that I appreciate all your posts concerning your experiences with the program (have printed out many of them) and it has helped me in understanding various methods of using FD-ISR.
Pat" }-

+1 In fact a sticky with some of Eric's explanations re your strategy might be warranted

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "Re the last version, I seem to remember that the last version did not contain some benefits re freeze function. At that time I was told that the last full version was an earlier version. I am currently running 3.2 Build 202 (very happily) and (shame on me) have not even tried the freeze function.

Eric, this is your cue ;D " }-
Yes that is true, HDS removed the freeze function first and then the rest.
I don't know which version/build number FDISR has without the freeze function, it was a very confusing and ridiculous situation. Each time I warned new users to ask HDS for FDISR with the freeze function, otherwise they got FDISR without the freeze function. Thanks for the nice words. :)

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "
I have to tell you that I appreciate all your posts concerning your experiences with the program (have printed out many of them) and it has helped me in understanding various methods of using FD-ISR.
Pat" }-
Thanks, I'm usually not a big help at Wilders, but FDISR is one software, I know pretty good. So writing and helping is the least I could do. :)

[Acadia]

-{ Quote: "... I'm usually not a big help at Wilders, ..." }-
For once, Erik, I must completely disagree with you!! :P

Acadia

[Tony]

I plan using FDISR Rescue as follows.

Boot to the back up area for a week at a time and use the computer as normal, test software etc.
Then at the end of every week boot back to the original area, update anti virus programs etc and install any new software tested, then copy/update the back up area, re boot to the back up area for another 7 days and so on.

Does this seem like a sensible approach to using FDISR Rescue or have i got the concept of the program completely wrong.

All of my data, documents, photographs, folders etc are all stored to other partitions so i do not have to worry about accidentally deleting them with FDISR, and i also back these up to an external drive once a week also.

Hopefully this approach should keep my original area clean and clutter free.
Any suggestions or criticisms to this approach??

[Peter2150]

-{ Quote: "I plan using FDISR Rescue as follows.

Boot to the back up area for a week at a time and use the computer as normal, test software etc.
Then at the end of every week boot back to the original area, update anti virus programs etc and install any new software tested, then copy/update the back up area, re boot to the back up area for another 7 days and so on.

Does this seem like a sensible approach to using FDISR Rescue or have i got the concept of the program completely wrong.

All of my data, documents, photographs, folders etc are all stored to other partitions so i do not have to worry about accidentally deleting them with FDISR, and i also back these up to an external drive once a week also.

Hopefully this approach should keep my original area clean and clutter free.
Any suggestions or criticisms to this approach??" }-

Sure that works. You find with time you will modify it, but it's what best works for you.

[Tony]

Thanks Peter :thumb:

[ErikAlbert]

Tony,
It's always a good policy to separate system from data, that gives you completely freedom in your system partition without being worried about losing your data anymore. That was the very first thing I did : create a system and data partition and solve the problems related to that separation.

The trick is to keep your rescue system snapshot malware-free and that can only be done by using a well-choosen combination of security softwares. FDISR Rescue won't secure your system partition, it only recovers your system partition.
ISR = Immediate System Recovery, not security.

[demoneye]

welp i gave FDISR a second chance..its better / secure than all other like it RB/EF whatever.........

i read here ppl ask bout the FREEZ option...acording to the manual it take twice space as the snapshot its self...what the point than? ... easly u can install DF/SU/SD/returnil....... less resource and more lightly on the IFDSR...


cheers:thumb:

[Tony]

-{ Quote: "Tony,
It's always a good policy to separate system from data, that gives you completely freedom in your system partition without being worried about losing your data anymore. That was the very first thing I did : create a system and data partition and solve the problems related to that separation.

The trick is to keep your rescue system snapshot malware-free and that can only be done by using a well-choosen combination of security softwares. FDISR Rescue won't secure your system partition, it only recovers your system partition.
ISR = Immediate System Recovery, not security." }-

Thanks Erik :)
That is something i have already done is create a seperate partition for system/data/media files.

Is there some other recommendation you would suggest then other than what i have already done by separating system/data, and keeping my backup area for daily use and testing, then booting to my original area at the end of the week (although i may make this daily) and doing a copy/update thus keeping my original area (hopefully) clean??

I will also image a clean system install one before and one after installing FDISR Recsue.

I also intend to use Avira premium and DefenseWall, altough most likely change Avira to Kaspersky 2009 when it has its final release.

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "welp i gave FDISR a second chance..its better / secure than all other like it RB/EF whatever.........

i read here ppl ask bout the FREEZ option...acording to the manual it take twice space as the snapshot its self...what the point than? ... easly u can install DF/SU/SD/returnil....... less resource and more lightly on the IFDSR...


cheers:thumb:" }-
That's what most users told me about all other ISR-softwares, except FDISR : faster, less space, less resource, ... whatever. Any child can see these advantages.

Do you really think that changed my mind about FDISR ?
Study each ISR-software and you will find out that the main disadvantages of all these ISR-softwares don't exist in FDISR.

Some of these ISR-softwares have a few MUCH better features than FDISR and protect themselves MUCH better than FDISR, but the total picture is not as good as the total picture of FDISR.

Faster, less space, less resource, ... are NOT functions, they mean nothing to me and my computer has none of these HARDWARE problems. :)

What I accomplished with FDISR is impossible to do with any other ISR-software : supercleaning and repairing my computer is reduced to nothing.
I challenge any other ISR-user without FDISR, who can prove, he did better than me.
I know already in advance he will lose, because I know the disadvantages of other ISR-softwares all to well. :)

[demoneye]

welp erik i now got my MASTER in FDISR hehe.
and i also call any one to proved other ISR can even stand in one line with FDISR. they can`t lol.

hope like i read all around in here some one will pick up the glove and continue developed it (realy it miss restore option at F1 on boot).


cheers:thumb:

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "welp erik i now got my MASTER in FDISR hehe.
and i also call any one to proved other ISR can even stand in one line with FDISR. they can`t lol.

hope like i read all around in here some one will pick up the glove and continue developed it (realy it miss restore option at F1 on boot).


cheers:thumb:" }-
I'm not the only "master" in FDISR at this forum and I don't consider myself a master in FDISR either. If members have a technical problem with FDISR, I can't even solve it. I only know how to USE FDISR when there are no technical problems.
After all I'm using FDISR already 2 years, you can't expect the same experience from a first time FDISR-user.
Isn't that obvious ? I just think the same way like I always do and my thinking never stops, even when it looks good.

I can easily judge other ISR-solutions, because I use the very best ISR-software. FDISR is older, but is still years ahead compared with other ISR-softwares. FDISR is brilliant, the rest is mediocre. I'm waiting for a similar solution that is even better FDISR.
It's not my fault that some users don't see it that way. I'm forced to use FDISR, because there is no better alternative and I don't combine two ISR-softwares to solve so called "shortcomings" of FDISR, that is against my principles.
I don't see any shortcomings of FDISR, I only see possible improvements of FDISR and I don't blame FDISR for hardware problems. I couldn't use FDISR on my old computer either and after 7 years it was high time to buy a new one.
Until then I did everything the classical way : Firewall and a bunch of scanners.

Three simple logical reasonings did it for me :

1. Malware "changes" my system somewhere, without that "change" malware can't do anything.
If I undo "bad changes", malware is gone. "Change" + "Anti-Change" = nothing = malware-free system.

2. There is a difference between an "unused" software and an "used" software.
An "used" software uses more space than an "unused" software, because it creates extra objects when it is doing its job. In other words these extra objects are also "changes", but not malware, they are superfluous and ballast on my system.
If I undo "good changes", superfluous objects are gone. "Change" + "Anti-Change" = nothing = clean system.

3. A fresh installed system is working properly, which means no problems and that is the perfect troubleshooter in deeds.
If I replace my actual system with a fresh installed system, ALL problems are gone.
It's always the same formula. "Change" + "Anti-Change" = nothing = unchanged good working system.

The only thing I had to do :
a. separate system and data.
b. install Windows + Applications and use it as less as possible.
c. clean it ONE time with registry/history/junk cleaners, just to be sure.
d. create an SP-Image and a FDISR-archive.
e. use a frozen snapshot in FDISR to make a very comfortable boot-to-restore.
All I have to do is reboot and I have a superclean, malware-free and repaired system partition, ready-to-use and the perfect environment to try and test new softwares.
If software didn't upgrade all the time, I would do nothing.

Is that so difficult to accomplish ? No, anybody can do this.

In combination with ShadowProtect and my new backup/restore procedure, I have a total recovery solution and no malware can survive this, not even rootkits, Rustock.C, Joanna's Invisible Things and UNBORN malware in the future.
I kill them all. Is malware dangerous ? NO, I'm dangerous. ;D
Since my RECOVERY is finished, I'm now working on my SECURITY to make malware IMMEDIATELY harmless. :)

[demoneye]

you know erik... something very important is missing from FDISR and its the subsystem like in EF / RB (dos mode) .

in this MODE u can save one boot in order to restore snapshot

maybe TOD and his crew will implement this in the next upcoming update

cheers:dry:

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "you know erik... something very important is missing from FDISR and its the subsystem like in EF / RB (dos mode) .

in this MODE u can save one boot in order to restore snapshot

maybe TOD and his crew will implement this in the next upcoming update

cheers:dry:" }-
I don't really need this, but I dream of something else : a software that undoes any change immediately, while FDISR does that only after reboot and that is too late in theory.
Anti-Executable acts immediately, but only for executables.

So a whitelist of all objects that don't require any change would be more powerful than AE.

[aigle]

-{ Quote: "What I accomplished with FDISR is impossible to do with any other ISR-software : supercleaning and repairing my computer is reduced to nothing.
I challenge any other ISR-user without FDISR, who can prove, he did better than me.
I know already in advance he will lose, because I know the disadvantages of other ISR-softwares all to well. :)" }-
Ok, let me take ur challenge for a while, just for fun.:)

I am using GAOD free offer of Eaz-Fix on my laptop. My HD is 40 GB with C partition about 10 GB. C is protected by Eaz-Fix.

I have ten snapshots with different security software. I have not even a single instance of corrupted snapshot so far, no data loss so far( I know they can happen though).

Let me know what u are doing with FDISR I can,t do with Eaz-Fix.:) Let me say I do better than you. :)

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "Ok, let me take ur challenge for a while, just for fun.:)

I am using GAOD free offer of Eaz-Fix on my laptop. My HD is 40 GB with C partition about 10 GB. C is protected by Eaz-Fix.

I have ten snapshots with different security software. I have not even a single instance of corrupted snapshot so far, no data loss so far( I know they can happen though).

Let me know what u are doing with FDISR I can,t do with Eaz-Fix.:) Let me say I do better than you. :)" }-
Although I can create 10 snapshots and I did this in the past, I don't do this anymore.
I wonder how you can test 10 snapshots with total different security softwares at the same time. I go crazy with so many security softwares and so many snapshots. It takes me minimum a week to evaluate ONE security software in combination what I already have.
I remember the first time when I installed AE, nothing but trouble, but I wanted AE absolutely on my computer, no matter what. So I had to find out what was wrong and how to fix it and do several tests.
You must be alot smarter than me. :)

[Peter2150]

-{ Quote: "Ok, let me take ur challenge for a while, just for fun.:)

I am using GAOD free offer of Eaz-Fix on my laptop. My HD is 40 GB with C partition about 10 GB. C is protected by Eaz-Fix.

I have ten snapshots with different security software. I have not even a single instance of corrupted snapshot so far, no data loss so far( I know they can happen though).

Let me know what u are doing with FDISR I can,t do with Eaz-Fix.:) Let me say I do better than you. :)" }-

Hi Aigle

Now that's a fun challenge. How's about this. Convert a Vista Snapshot, back to XP. I know that's not fair.;D , but I've done it with FDISR.

Pete

[Huupi]

-{ Quote: "

Let me know what u are doing with FDISR I can,t do with Eaz-Fix.:) Let me say I do better than you. :)" }-

This is a nice one,i did a reinstall with all the bloated stuff from the HP OEM disk( i have no retail XP CD),installed FDISR,created a second snapshot,from there i did a copy/update from archive to the first snapshot and i was back in business. Time 25 min. :thumb:

[aigle]

-{ Quote: "Hi Aigle

Now that's a fun challenge. How's about this. Convert a Vista Snapshot, back to XP. I know that's not fair.;D , but I've done it with FDISR.

Pete" }-
Hi, you replied yourself. I wil not say anything. ;D

[aigle]

-{ Quote: "This is a nice one,i did a reinstall with all the bloated stuff from the HP OEM disk( i have no retail XP CD),installed FDISR,created a second snapshot,from there i did a copy/update from archive to the first snapshot and i was back in business. Time 25 min. :thumb:" }-Hey, 25 min is not instant recovery, mind it. Even image restore is faster than this.

[aigle]

BTW I took challenge of Eric. No way that I will reply to all of FDISR users here. :)

[ErikAlbert]

Aigle,
I clean my computer completely without using AV/AS/AT/AK/AR/...-scanners, registry cleaners, history cleaners and junk cleaners during each reboot in less than 2 minuts. My online snapshot has always the same size = 2.40gb.
Can you beat that ? :)

I can install Win2000pro, WinXP and WinVISTA on the same harddisk. Can you beat that ?

I can use any defragger. Can you beat that ?

I can boot directly in any archived snapshot. Can you beat that ?

I can create more than 600,000 archived snapshots. Can you beat that ?

I can use any Image Backup software and do a NORMAL backup and still keep my snapshots, even during restore.
Can you beat that ?

I can reboot without chkdsk's. Can you beat that ?

[aigle]

Yes, my PC is clean. I try to get malware but fail. I challenhe my friends to plugin their infected USB flash sticks and then I catch the malware, tie it with ropes( passworded in 7-zip) and place in a jail on my non-OS partition.

The thing u do with FDISR is very easy to achieve with Eaz-Fix. U schedule it to load same snapshot at each boot and that,s it. Same as frozen snapshot. But I never used it and don,t need it.

My PC is as clean as urs. U will not find anything by any scanner even on online working snapshot, without frozen technique. And i don,t use any scanner, any reg cleaner etc etc( except CCleaner and that,s also not a must).

[aigle]

-{ Quote: "
I can install Win2000pro, WinXP and WinVISTA on the same harddisk. Can you beat that ?" }-
What you wil get by that? Are u really doing it? If not, there is no point.-{ Quote: "
I can use any defragger. Can you beat that ?" }-
Wat u get by this. My system is as fast without all this fuss. To be honest, I never felt any significant difference after defrag even when I had no Eaz-Fix. And I remember u have accepted it already here. What,s the point then?
-{ Quote: "
I can boot directly in any archived snapshot. Can you beat that ?" }-
All snapshots of Eaz-Fix are like archives( intact and non-modifiable) , only they are not independent.
-{ Quote: "
I can create more than 600,000 archived snapshots. Can you beat that ?" }-
Don,t tel me that u are doing it. I don,t need such a mess.

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "Yes, my PC is clean. I try to get malware but fail. I challenhe my friends to plugin their infected USB flash sticks and then I catch the malware, tie it with ropes( passworded in 7-zip) and place in a jail on my non-OS partition.

The thing u do with FDISR is very easy to achieve with Eaz-Fix. U schedule it to load same snapshot at each boot and that,s it. Same as frozen snapshot. But I never used it and don,t need it.

My PC is as clean as urs. U will not find anything by any scanner even on online working snapshot, without frozen technique. And i don,t use any scanner, any reg cleaner etc etc( except CCleaner and that,s also not a must)." }-
I can't verify this, unless I have your computer. That doesn't mean I don't believe you, but there is no comparison possible either. If you can keep a snapshot in its "unused" state, than you have the same as me.

-{ Quote: "What you wil get by that? Are u really doing it? If not, there is no point." }-
I'm not doing this, but other users did it to get familiar with winVISTA or for other reasons.
Never judge a software based on personal needs. If you don't need it, does that mean the whole world doesn't need it ?
I always want to know what possibilities I have and how far I can go with an ISR-software and it doesn't matter if I need it or not. Somewhere in the world, there are always users, who need one or more possibilities of FDISR, which I never use in practice.

That's how I found out that Returnil can't handle reboot-softwares and I consider this as a serious shortcoming. It also means that I have to solve this problem BEFORE I start using Returnil and most probably I will need an EXTRA software to test softwares with or without reboot, like VMware or something else.
Instead of using ONE software, I will need TWO softwares to get the same possibilities of FDISR. I wouldn't like this.

-{ Quote: "
Wat u get by this. My system is as fast without all this fuss. To be honest, I never felt any significant difference after defrag even when I had no Eaz-Fix. And I remember u have accepted it already here. What,s the point then?
" }-
Again this is a based on a personal evaluation. I don't see any improvement either after defragging, just like you.
But I would like to know which defragger or which configuration of defragger is the best to defrag my harddisk, so I can feel at least some improvement.
I'm not convinced that PerfectDisk is the best defragger for me, but it's not a priority either. One day defraggers will be superfluous because of sensational hardware improvements and payable for the little man.

-{ Quote: "All snapshots of Eaz-Fix are like archives( intact and non-modifiable) , only they are not independent." }-
I don't agree here at all : snapshots are on your actual harddisk and everything what is online is vulnerable.
Archives are usually stored on an external harddisk to keep them safe and in case of FDISR they are as good as IMAGES.
I can restore any OLD image and archives will always put that image back in an updated state. I even wonder if you can do this with RB/EF.

-{ Quote: "Don,t tel me that u are doing it. I don,t need such a mess." }-
Here you are absolutely right, who needs 600,000 archived snapshots ? NOBODY. I just wanted to tease you. ;D
After reading the features of RB/EF, I asked myself, who needs even 30,000 or 60,000 snapshots ?
Do you know how much time it takes to create 60,000 snapshots ?
One snapshot a day = 365 snapshots a year. 60000/365 = 164+ years.
Even when you create 3 snapshots a day, you still need 54+ years to create them.

[aigle]

-{ Quote: "I can't verify this, unless I have your computer. That doesn't mean I don't believe you, but there is no comparison possible either. If you can keep a snapshot in its "unused" state, than you have the same as me." }- All snapshots of Eaz-Fix are in frozen state, no change.
-{ Quote: "

I'm not doing this, but other users did it to get familiar with winVISTA or for other reasons." }-It,s basically not the job of an ISR software.

-{ Quote: "Again this is a based on a personal evaluation. I don't see any improvement either after defragging, just like you.
But I would like to know which defragger or which configuration of defragger is the best to defrag my harddisk, so I can feel at least some improvement.
I'm not convinced that PerfectDisk is the best defragger for me, but it's not a priority either. One day defraggers will be superfluous because of sensational hardware improvements and payable for the little man." }-I jsut wonder when people claim that their PC is fast after defragging with a specific utility or after reg cleaning or erasing free space etc. I never found these claims true atleast in my own experience. I might be convinced if there are any reliable benchmarks.

-{ Quote: "
I don't agree here at all : snapshots are on your actual harddisk and everything what is online is vulnerable.
" }-
There is a possibility I don,t deny but practically they are reliable I think. Depends upon paranoia. :)

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "All snapshots of Eaz-Fix are in frozen state, no change.
It,s basically not the job of an ISR software.
" }-
The fact that each snapshot has an OS makes them independent, no matter what happens to the other snapshots.
The possibility of using different OS was a logical result of further thinking, it wasn't a must, it was just possible.

In RB/EF you bet on one card, your baseline snapshot, if something goes wrong there all your dependent snapshots will suffer as well. :)

Do you use an Image Backup to backup all your 10 snapshots ?

[Huupi]

WITHOUT imaging stuff,FDISR makes up for a fine bare metal recovery as explained in my earlier post. It takes more time as compared to putting back an image,but i have done it without hiccups. :thumb:

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "WITHOUT imaging stuff,FDISR makes up for a fine bare metal recovery as explained in my earlier post. It takes more time as compared to putting back an image,but i have done it without hiccups. :thumb:" }-
Yes in this case imaging wasn't necessary, because the PC already had an installed OS.
Nevertheless, it proves how powerful and reliable copy/update and archives are.

[aigle]

-{ Quote: "
Do you use an Image Backup to backup all your 10 snapshots ?" }-

No, I don,t. However I took an image of base line clean system before installing Eaz-Fix. I have separated data n OS partitions as well.

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "No, I don,t. However I took an image of base line clean system before installing Eaz-Fix. I have separated data n OS partitions as well." }-
Thanks for the nice screenshot. To me, it would be quite a big change to work with EF and all these point-in-time snapshots and getting used to this baseline snapshot. A total different way of working. :)

[aigle]

Working snapshot is the main one. I use others rarely, just to try malware against different software.

[demoneye]

LO AIGLE

i will past here my post from some days back about how EF/RB are realy not much assimilate easy on a working PC and u need to preper it for EF use

read on.
taken from here >> http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=210509

thats goes for u DVD+R( and for aigle now 2 lol)... ef/rb are realy working good , i test them for some times , also this amazing fdisr... the only bad thing i can say about ef/rb thats like someone else wrote ... it is indeed loosing prefomance in time to come.

other IMPORTANT isue with is that (read well) u cant realy implement it on PC that his c:\ drive store your downloads (mp3,Xvid....etc )
RB/EF got a big bug in this "monitor" isue (EF support said it will be fixed), it doesnt got the option to avoid monitor dirs !!! so if u have lets say 50 gigs totatl c:\ and u have 30 giga of download stuff (mp3,movies..) thats leave 20 gigs freee... and u try ROLLBACK back/forward u will see the pc will be boot and STUCK, even if u add the "c:\download" to exlude list...thats a damn major BUG which let ppl lost all the stuff!! , the only way to snap out of this is enter EF/RB subsystem and back to baseline , which lead to all c:\download to get wipe OUT!!!

this isue doesn happend in FDISR coz it got the ancore archive which build for such cases!!!

so now ppl will see the other side of EF/RB.... u cant put it on any pc !! FDISR u can.

ef/rb install must be plan like c:\ = 20 giga ONLY for os and basic appz (office,winrar,Divx player...etc)

so what do u do if u got like i said a 50 giga c:\ HD partition (or more) ,where user use it to store/download his stuff?? u start playin with partition programs? huh? risking your stuff? or u start moving data all around the hd + partition to smaller size (lol)

hope i help clear another bad and risky thing on this 2 progs

[aigle]

Agree about the issue but let me say:

1- I don,t use synch function, it,s ofcourse not good I know.

2- Why to put Downloads on C? It,s data n must be on other partition, not C.

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "
2- Why to put Downloads on C? It,s data n must be on other partition, not C." }-
I agree and do the same. Putting data on C is for old-timers. ;)

[demoneye]

lo erik and aigle

yes puting data (mp3 , xvid) on c:\ is no smart , but my MAIN point was when u want to implement EF on existent system which the user didnt take any concern holding c:\ for OS + APPS and d:\ for data.( home or office user)

add to it the problem i mention above(risk when rollback when no much space looklike left).... u got a very limited program (eg EF) which isn`t what we call "out of the box" progs...


so far the only prog whcih can hundle the "bug" i mention + "out of the box" implement (u can ancore+exlude dirs) is FDISR


cheers :thumb:

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "lo erik and aigle

yes puting data (mp3 , xvid) on c:\ is no smart , but my MAIN point was when u want to implement EF on existent system which the user didnt take any concern holding c:\ for OS + APPS and d:\ for data.( home or office user)

add to it the problem i mention above(risk when rollback when no much space looklike left).... u got a very limited program (eg EF) which isn`t what we call "out of the box" progs...


so far the only prog whcih can hundle the "bug" i mention + "out of the box" implement (u can ancore+exlude dirs) is FDISR


cheers :thumb:" }-
I understand, but anchoring (exclude) folders or files in FDISR is BAD practice, because it makes your system partition more vulnerable.
FDISR means "Immediate System Recovery", not "Immediate Data Recovery", not "Immediate System/Data Recovery".

All ISR-softwares (virtual or not) require separation of system and data, they just don't tell it always explicitly. If you read the manual of ShadowUser, you will read in the recommendations to separate system and data.

The first reason why ISR-software offer exclusion of objects, is that so many user have still a computer with only one big harddisk/partition [C:] with everything on it : system and data.
The second reason is that sometimes software don't allow to put their data on another partition, these software have always a BAD design and I avoid to use them. Most recent developped softwares don't have this problem anymore, they have smart folder settings.
I don't need any anchoring, because I solved the hardware and the software problem to make a complete separation of system and data possible.
This was the very first thing I did when I bought my computer as a preparation to use FDISR or any other ISR-software in the future.
I always try to think ahead when I create solutions and separating system and data is an ONE-TIME operation and your data will never be an obstacle anymore, when you need to change your system completely.
I don't care what other users say, because I know what I'm doing and why I'm doing it. :)

[demoneye]

-{ Quote: "I understand, but anchoring (exclude) folders or files in FDISR is BAD practice, because it makes your system partition more vulnerable.
FDISR means "Immediate System Recovery", not "Immediate Data Recovery", not "Immediate System/Data Recovery".

All ISR-softwares (virtual or not) require separation of system and data, they just don't tell it always explicitly. If you read the manual of ShadowUser, you will read in the recommendations to separate system and data.

The first reason why ISR-software offer exclusion of objects, is that so many user have still a computer with only one big harddisk/partition [C:] with everything on it : system and data.
The second reason is that sometimes software don't allow to put their data on another partition, these software have always a BAD design and I avoid to use them. Most recent developped softwares don't have this problem anymore, they have smart folder settings.
I don't need any anchoring, because I solved the hardware and the software problem to make a complete separation of system and data possible.
This was the very first thing I did when I bought my computer as a preparation to use FDISR or any other ISR-software in the future.
I always try to think ahead when I create solutions and separating system and data is an ONE-TIME operation and your data will never be an obstacle anymore, when you need to change your system completely.
I don't care what other users say, because I know what I'm doing and why I'm doing it. :)" }-

u talk on yourself and thats ok , but EF market is for all kind oc pc platform degin, meaning USER DONT NEED TO FORMAT AND REPARTIOTION after they bought EF....if u can see it from the product way of view u can understand EF is market limition coz of the above i mention

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "u talk on yourself and thats ok , but EF market is for all kind oc pc platform degin, meaning USER DONT NEED TO FORMAT AND REPARTIOTION after they bought EF....if u can see it from the product way of view u can understand EF is market limition coz of the above i mention" }-
Users don't need to format, they only have to do a clean install one time and create images at the right moment. After that they can restore, update and backup again and use that image as their new system partition.
You can do this over and over again, even when you buy a new computer and add new drivers if needed. SP = HIR and can restore your images on new hardware without re-installing over and over again.

User don't need to partition, if they buy two harddisks : one for system [C:], one for data [D:]. Windows will partition both harddisks automatically.

As I said before, use the right hardware and the right software and the rest follows automatically.

[Peter2150]

For the sake of any new users reading this:


First let me define data. I don't consider data to be large chunks of move files and huge libraries of pictures etc. Those like copies of of install programs, etc I keep off my c: drive just for keeping the c: drive small, and also to preserve them separately. What I define as data, is the files that my Office type programs use, like Outlook, excell spreadsheets, etc. It's everything I use in my business, and personal life, and it's about 2gig worth.

Having defined "data" I keep it all in one partition. One can optionally split it out, but I see no "you must do this" reason for doing so. Users here keep saying it, but why. I've never lost, had stolen, or infected anything in 5 years working this way. Protections yes.

Finally all ISR solutions DON'T require such separation. If the data is huge it might be good, if not, it ISN'T required. If it was REQUIRED, then what I am doing wouldn't work, and it does.

[ErikAlbert]

Peter,
Delete my post, if you don't agree, like you usually do or ban me if that is the final goal. Forums enough on the internet.

[Peter2150]

-{ Quote: "Peter,
Delete my post, if you don't agree, like you usually do or ban me if that is the final goal. Forums enough on the internet." }-

Erik, that would be most inappropriate for obvious reasons. But if anyone keeps saying that someone must use partitions, I will keep correcting it. The problem is people don't say it like it's optional, but they say it like it's a mandatory thing. It isn't and saying it is, can be confusing to the new comer.

Pete

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "Erik, that would be most inappropriate for obvious reasons. But if anyone keeps saying that someone must use partitions, I will keep correcting it. The problem is people don't say it like it's optional, but they say it like it's a mandatory thing. It isn't and saying it is, can be confusing to the new comer.

Pete" }-
It's up to the user to decide what is good for him or not and if he doesn't like my ideas, he won't do it, because he already knows that his computer works fine without my ideas.
I read so many advices or suggestions at Wilders, do this, do that, run this, run that. Do you really think every user follows these advices ? Certainly not me.

[Peter2150]

-{ Quote: "It's up to the user to decide what is good for him or not and if he doesn't like my ideas, he won't do it, because he already knows that his computer works fine without my ideas.
I read so many advices or suggestions at Wilders, do this, do that, run this, run that. Do you really think every user follows these advices ? Certainly not me." }-

Erik, you are totally missing the point. There are people reading these forums that are very inexperienced. If you present something as your view then it is plain for any reader, but when you present it as absolute fact that convey's a different impression. Some of us realize, but new comers may not.

For example. Does SP take continous incrementals. Yes that is a fact. Is SP the best on the market. I would say yes in the strongest terms, but that is an opinion.

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "Erik, you are totally missing the point. There are people reading these forums that are very inexperienced. If you present something as your view then it is plain for any reader, but when you present it as absolute fact that convey's a different impression. Some of us realize, but new comers may not.

For example. Does SP take continous incrementals. Yes that is a fact. Is SP the best on the market. I would say yes in the strongest terms, but that is an opinion." }-
Then you better start cleaning this forum from all the beta softwares that are discussed here. Very inexperienced users, who don't know what beta means, might download and try these softwares too. That is alot more dangerous, than what I do.
You can go on like this forever. You can't kill the creativity of this forum or it will be boring in the end.

[aigle]

I think u people are arguing for nothing. Let,s move ahead. :)

[demoneye]

-{ Quote: "I think u people are arguing for nothing. Let,s move ahead. :)" }-

jap , i think both method by peter and erik are for diff users approach.

making separated partition or not depend on user separate .
personaly for me making c:\ for os so i can play with ;D it and other d: e: for my data (mp3,divx) 8)

chers

[Huupi]

-{ Quote: "I think u people are arguing for nothing. Let,s move ahead. :)" }-

NO NO i like these arguing,it has to do with different visions,ultimately different visions on live in general if you like,sometimes more interesting then technical issues. ;)