"Old" FDISR, FDR & RBrx

[Teknokrat]

Hi!
I'm sorry if I'm dense but I haven't figured out the all the distinct features and/or differences between these three programs.

I know that (HorizonDataSys) FirstDefense Rescue is a somewhat crippled version of (Raxco/Leapfrog) FirstDefense-ISR, limited to 2 snapshots. What about RollBack Rx Pro? Isn't that more like the old FDR?

Yes, I'm quite new to backup software methods & technologies and I really would appreciate to hear a brief explanation of the similarities/differences.

thank you in advance!

/T

[ErikAlbert]

I know what FDISR does for me. I know for certain, that FDISR Rescue can't do it.
I'm not 100% sure that RBRx can be used as FDISR with the same results, but my assumption is that RBRx can't replace FDISR, there are too many basic differences between both.

Comparing FDISR with RBRx is useless, because FDISR is dead and RBRx is alive.
So you better find out, if RBRx meets your wishes.
If you ask me to choose between FDISR and RBRx, the answer is FDISR.
If you ask me to choose between RBRx and all the other ISR-softwares, the answer is RBRx, but I'm glad, I don't have to make that choice.

I have at least 5-10 years to wait for an alternative, so I'm not in a hurry to try anything else, unless it's better than FDISR. Until now, I didn't see anything that comes even close to FDISR.
I don't work with software names, I work with functions, possibilities, combinations, ideas and then I choose the software to do the job.
FDISR didn't meet all my wishes, but more than enough to keep it and not to replace it.

[Woody777]

I agree that FDISR is the program to have. I have now come to the conclusion that only FDISR will in fact protect my computer. It seems that no amount of effort to keep malware off my computer will be 100 pct successful. I am going to use FDISR & Returnil & give up on the never ending installation of security apps that really don't work.

[farmerlee]

Rollback and firstdefense are similar in that they both allow you to take snapshots of your system. The main difference between them is that a firstdefense snapshot records the entire system partition so each snapshot can be quite large in size and take a fair amount of time. A rollback snapshot only records changes made since the last snapshot so each snapshot is smaller and takes less time. Firstdefense does have a few extra features not found in rollback such as the ability to freeze snapshots and the ability to install different operating systems.

[Huupi]

Never used Rollback,and in howfar its build on keeping archives on external media,strong asset with FDISR is just this possibility ! ;)

[MaB69]

{QUOTE-> Firstdefense does have a few extra features not found in rollback such as the ability to freeze snapshots and the ability to install different operating systems. <-QUOTE}

Hi,

Nicely summarized farmerlee but RBX has this feature too : you can schedule at each restart to restore a given snapshot

Regards,

MaB

[Peter2150]

Note also that once a snapshot or archive is built with First Defense, the update process is much quicker.

[Huupi]

{QUOTE-> Hi,

Nicely summarized farmerlee but RBX has this feature too : you can schedule at each restart to restore a given snapshot

Regards,

MaB <-QUOTE}

Once again,is Rollback similar to FDISR in the way it keeps archives onto external media,or are all snapshots on the system partition,if so then its worthless in the light of most worstcase scenarios ??? :(

[Teknokrat]

Thank you all for the input! I appreciate it.

The obvious follow up question is:
Is there ANY way a legal license for FD-ISR can be obtained (OTHER than finding someone who is willing to sell his or hers - please note - this is NOT a request to buy/trade licenses from members here)?

@Huupi
It seems most of the ppl using FD-ISR also have "regular" imaging software in combination with FD-ISR.
I've decided to go for the BING/IFW/IFD-solution in imaging software - they offered a nice bundle I couldn't resist :)

Once again - thanks for your replies.

regards,
T

[Peter2150]

{QUOTE-> Once again,is Rollback similar to FDISR in the way it keeps archives onto external media,or are all snapshots on the system partition,if so then its worthless in the light of most worstcase scenarios ??? :( <-QUOTE}

Rollback doesn't have a comparable archive setup. Although to some degree the same in concept, they are totally different under the hood.

[Peter2150]

{QUOTE->
The obvious follow up question is:
Is there ANY way a legal license for FD-ISR can be obtained (OTHER than finding someone who is willing to sell his or hers - please note - this is NOT a request to buy/trade licenses fropm members here)?


<-QUOTE}

Non that I know of at this time. The original FDISR product is no longer on the market.

[farmerlee]

{QUOTE-> Once again,is Rollback similar to FDISR in the way it keeps archives onto external media,or are all snapshots on the system partition,if so then its worthless in the light of most worstcase scenarios ??? :( <-QUOTE}
Rollback has no archive feature and cannot store snapshots on external media. They're all stored on the system drive. In a worst case scenario rollback won't save you and neither will fd-isr. This is where you need a backup solution like trueimage.

[EASTER]

With the "Old" (Genuine) as i like to call it FD-ISR, you can (i do), virtually mothball your image backup program so long as you keep UP-TO-DATE FirstDefense .archives to an alternate Hard Drive partition.

I've practiced this for many months and found FD archives valuable assets in much the same way as a backup image.

However, a good backup image is a *MUST in any case, in spite of the fact that FD-ISR archives serve the same purpose for me and have drastically reduced dependency on my choice backup app.

EASTER

[ErikAlbert]

Me,
1. First I create a SP-image for each snapshot
2. Then I convert each SP-image into a FDISR-archive
3. Then I convert each FDISR-archive into a FDISR-snapshot
So I reversed the normal procedure : Image ---> Archive ---> Snapshot,
while the normal procedure is : Snapshot ---> Archive ---> Image.

This way,
1. I don't need the function "Empty Snapshot" anymore, which I never liked.
2. I can re-create my FDISR-archives, even when they are corrupted.
3. I can re-create my snapshots.
So the very reliable ShadowProtect is #1 and FDISR is #2.

I don't think I can do this with RollbackRx & Chkdsk.
After reading the recent Eaz-Fix Problem Post, I still say : "HDS terminated the wrong ISR-software".

[Huupi]

{QUOTE-> Me,
1. First I create a SP-image for each snapshot
<-QUOTE}

How do you do that ? ???

Its my understanding that imaging/recover with SP can only be done with whole partitions or volumes with using the CD.

[Peter2150]

{QUOTE-> Rollback has no archive feature and cannot store snapshots on external media. They're all stored on the system drive. In a worst case scenario rollback won't save you and neither will fd-isr. This is where you need a backup solution like trueimage. <-QUOTE}

Hi Farmerlee

Not quite true. With the full version of FDISR, I keep Archives on a 2nd drive, and external drive. If my c: drive failed and I replace it, I can do a clean windows install. Then I install FDISR. Once installed I create a secondary snapshot from my archive of the secondary snapshot. Boot to it. Then update the primary(which was a clean windows install) from the primary archive, and boot back to primary. I am now totally recovered. Not as quick as an image, but quite doable.

Pete

[Huupi]

The way you described i recovered once,but admit imaging is a faster solution.

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE-> How do you do that ? ???

Its my understanding that imaging/recover with SP can only be done with whole partitions or volumes with using the CD. <-QUOTE}
Maybe I said it wrong, but it's quite simple. I just can't talk in English like in Dutch.

Each needed snapshot has Windows + Applications. I have two WORK snapshots, with a different collection of softwares, but some softwares are double, because I need them in both snapshots.

1. I install Windows + Applications of needed snapshot#1 on a zeroed HDD, like a normal installation.
When everything is configured, I install FDISR with only ONE snapshot, because I don't need the second snapshot.
Then I create an archive with the FDISR copy/update function.
Then I create an image with ShadowProtect.
So I have an image and an archive of snapshot#1 at the end.
Then I can use the same HDD for another installation.

2. I install Windows + Applications of needed snapshot#2 on a zeroed HDD, like a normal installation.
When everything is configured, I install FDISR with only ONE snapshot, because I don't need the second snapshot.
Then I create an archive with the FDISR copy/update function.
Then I create an image with ShadowProtect.
So I have an image and an archive of snapshot#2 at the end.

3. I restore the image of snapshot#1 which has FDISR already with snapshot#1.
Then I do a copy/update from archive#2 to a new snapshot.
Now I have my COMPLETE actual system partition with 2 snapshots : snapshot#1 and snapshot#2
I can also start with restore the image of snapshot#2, if I want this as first snapshot.

This is the basic principle, but not the full explanation.
When you want two working snapshots, you have to plan this ahead to avoid double work.
I have an image of Windows alone.
I have an image of Windows + Applications, common for both snapshots.
If you need only ONE work snapshot, everything is more simple of course.

What is created in 1. and 2. is my "clean" and "unused" system partition and that is the base for my actual system partition.
Each time I need an upgrading or a new software, I don't use my actual system partition.
I use my "clean" and "unused" system partition and then I recreate my actual system partition as described in 3.

Why I'm doing this in such way is a part of my philosophy.
1. Most users keep their system partition "clean" with a collection of security softwares and they trust these softwares.
I don't trust any of my security softwares and I know they fail by reading posts.
I understand these failures, but I don't like the changes in my system partition due to these failures. These failures create resident malware.
So I use "clean" (= malware-free) archives to clean my actual system partition.

2. Most users use registry/history/junk cleaners to clean these superfluous objects.
Registry cleaners are dangerous. History and junk cleaners don't do a complete job and never will.
Since September 2007, I use "clean" and "unused" archives, before that I only used "clean" (malware-free) archives.

My guess is that most users don't care about resident malware and superfluous objects, but I do.
This has nothing to do with paranoia, I "know" for sure I'm right and I solved it forever, because I refused to ignore the problem.
I only needed the right softwares and the right ideas to accomplish this WITHOUT extra work. (I'm lazy too).

I have read alot of problem/disaster posts at SWI/Wilders/... and I still read them at Wilders.
I had the same problems, disasters and dirty computer in the past, but NOT anymore.
I don't care what they say about my solution, I know what I have and I'm planning to keep it as long as possible.
Sometimes they tell me it requires discipline, forget it, I'm more careless than I used to be.
I can do the same things like in the past but WITHOUT the garbage and problems and the WASTE OF TIME.

Returnil/DeepFreeze/... has also a boot-to-restore, but that's not the same as my boot-to-restore, because Retunil has not the features of FDISR.
Returnil doesn't even have a full boot-to-restore, Returnil is a toy compared with the professional FDISR.

[Huupi]

Pffft.... Erik can i call this comprehensive ? i know already for quite some time that your knowledge on FDISR is unbeatable and you found most ''flexables'' inherent to FDISR concept and using it to your advantage,honest i'm stunned at what you can make out of FDISR....but for me and while i still admire your work on it,its short said : too complex ,i have a simple setup with one working snapshot,and a second for just copy/update the working snapshot with external archives,thats all, and it works for me without problems from sept. 2006 until now.

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE-> Pffft.... Erik can i call this comprehensive ? i know already for quite some time that your knowledge on FDISR is unbeatable and you found most ''flexables'' inherent to FDISR concept and using it to your advantage,honest i'm stunned at what you can make out of FDISR....but for me and while i still admire your work on it,its short said : too complex ,i have a simple setup with one working snapshot,and a second for just copy/update the working snapshot with external archives,thats all, and it works for me without problems from sept. 2006 until now. <-QUOTE}
You first have to understand my philosophy behind this and that has nothing to do with softwares. I only use FDISR (and SP) to make it possible, because there is nothing else. To me it's all simple and logical.

If I read all the posts about Returnil, I don't understand why users are so enthousiastic about it. Most probably they have a different philosophy, than mine. They also use frozen mode in a way, I would never do.

I've read about RB-users working with 40 snapshots, sjeez I would go crazy with so many snapshots.

Well, it doesn't really matter as long everybody is happy with his setup. :)

[Huupi]

{QUOTE->

Well, it doesn't really matter as long everybody is happy with his setup. :) <-QUOTE}

I concur ! ;)

[Acadia]

{QUOTE->

Well, it doesn't really matter as long everybody is happy with his setup. :) <-QUOTE}
One man's poison is another man's meat! We're simply here to help one another, no matter what our security philosophies, and you guys are the best!

Acadia

[farmerlee]

{QUOTE-> Hi Farmerlee

Not quite true. With the full version of FDISR, I keep Archives on a 2nd drive, and external drive. If my c: drive failed and I replace it, I can do a clean windows install. Then I install FDISR. Once installed I create a secondary snapshot from my archive of the secondary snapshot. Boot to it. Then update the primary(which was a clean windows install) from the primary archive, and boot back to primary. I am now totally recovered. Not as quick as an image, but quite doable.

Pete <-QUOTE}
Yeh i would do something similar in that event. I guess i should of said that in a worst case scenario fd-isr by itself won't save you but it can help to speed up the recovery process.

[EASTER]

I sure can say with 100% confidence thru experience that the original FD-ISR sure can save you without a whimper, and recover your system completely intact again.

The key to this of course is provided you archived your snapshots safely to another Off-Line HD partition as the alternate place to save them then pull the plugs.

I took a mighty big chance when i researched a file infector virus without first imaging (i wasn't thinking), but as it turned out those archives were everything an IMAGE would have done.

FD-ISR (original) is one of those very rare productions/distributions that was available only a brief season, but well beyond that season it continues to prove just how exceptionally crafted it was.

EASTER

[Chris12923]

{QUOTE-> Hi!
I'm sorry if I'm dense but I haven't figured out the all the distinct features and/or differences between these three programs.

I know that (HorizonDataSys) FirstDefense Rescue is a somewhat crippled version of (Raxco/Leapfrog) FirstDefense-ISR, limited to 2 snapshots. What about RollBack Rx Pro? Isn't that more like the old FDR?

Yes, I'm quite new to backup software methods & technologies and I really would appreciate to hear a brief explanation of the similarities/differences.

thank you in advance!

/T <-QUOTE}

From what I see you are asking what the similarities and differences of these softwares not what any of us would recommend. So I will try to answer without bias.

FDISR (the discontinued one) really does not even need to be discussed since it has been discontinuedbut since you want some info I'll try to explain.

The discontinued FDISR has its benefits.

Like some one else said the discontinued FDISR makes a full backup of all your files when you create a snapshot. So of course this would be ideal for mission critical systems which is what it was intended for. This is where FDISR set itself apart from Rollback Rx. Rollback rx takes incremental snapshots if you will meaning that when you take a snapshot in short terms it only records the changes made since the baseline (rollback rx install). So if lets say the baseline gets currupted then you will not be able to use any snapshot. Although this would be very rare it could happen.

The discontinued FDISR can also store your snapshots on an external disk. This is great if something happens to your drive (lets say it died due to hardware failure) then you just load windows and FDISR and then restore your snapshots. Pretty painless. With Rollback everything is lost. In this scenario I am only talking about the two programs with no imaging software in use.

Another thing is that the discontinued FDISR can create a blank snapshot to create a clean OS into.

Thats pretty much the main benefits of the discontinued FDISR. compared to Rollback in my opinion. I'm sure there are some other differences and I'm sure someone will mention them but those are the main ones in my opinion.

Now Rollback has its benefits as well.

Snapshots take 5-10 seconds where the discontinued FDISR took a couple minutes to many minutes depending on some factors.

Rollback can have almost endless snapshots (up to 60,000) where as the disontinued FDISR can only have 10 ready at anytime. Although if you store the discontinued FDISR images offline and you have the space you can also have unlimited snapshots.

Rollback will let you search a snapshot without switching to it. So your working in one snapshot but you have a file in another snapshot you can explore the image of the snapshot you need and grab the file and be on your way in seconds.

Also Rollback will let you schedule rollback hourly, at logoff, at restart, etc... I think the discontinued FDISR can do a simialr function at restart but not the rest of the mentioned scheduling. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Rollback can also be setup with password protection.

I think these are probably the main differences I can think of I'm probably missing something and if someone else wants to throw something out there feel free.

I refered to FDISR as the discontinued FDISR so as not to confuse it with FDISR Rescue which I'm not that familiar with since it does not suit my needs for many snapshots.

Thanks,

Chris

[Teknokrat]

Thanks for the thorough explanation, Chris!

Was FDISR only sold as a download or where there boxed versions too?
It really is a shame there is no legal means of aquiring a license even though the product is discontinued. I recall reading somewhere that Leapfrog eventually will release updates that will be made available for registered users? Is this true?

regards,
T

[Huupi]

Rollback is somewhat cripled as compared to full FDISR,its silly to have snapshots on same partition,if your drive get toasted,you will lose everything,a very serious weakness with Rollback,hence FDISR is superiour in terms of total security,reason why many prefer FDISR. Rollback is faster though, but who cares !

[Chris12923]

{QUOTE-> Rollback is somewhat cripled as compared to full FDISR,its silly to have snapshots on same partition,if your drive get toasted,you will lose everything,a very serious weakness with Rollback,hence FDISR is superiour in terms of total security,reason why many prefer FDISR. Rollback is faster though, but who cares ! <-QUOTE}
crippled is in the eye of the beholder. I have already stated the fact that rollback does not save all files every snapshot. It is nothing new.

Thanks,

Chris

[farmerlee]

{QUOTE-> Rollback is somewhat cripled as compared to full FDISR,its silly to have snapshots on same partition,if your drive get toasted,you will lose everything,a very serious weakness with Rollback,hence FDISR is superiour in terms of total security,reason why many prefer FDISR. Rollback is faster though, but who cares ! <-QUOTE}
Thats why its good practice to do regular backups, in the event that something serious does happen to your drive you're not gonna lose all your snapshots.

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE-> Thats why its good practice to do regular backups, in the event that something serious does happen to your drive you're not gonna lose all your snapshots. <-QUOTE}
I only backup, if my system partition has been changed. My system partition hardly changes, unless I need a new permanent software, but that hardly happens, because I have all the softwares I need for work and hobby.
The rest of softwares = install, try and uninstall.

I backup my data partition every day, but my system partition only occassionally, certainly not regularly.

[Huupi]

{QUOTE-> Thats why its good practice to do regular backups, in the event that something serious does happen to your drive you're not gonna lose all your snapshots. <-QUOTE}

Yes,for me thats the starting point to have a solid imaging solution in the first place !

One more advantage with only FDISR is a bare metal recovery as per Peter's method he earlier mentioned,bit clumsy but it works.I did it myself a year ago cause anything else failed at the time.

[pratzert]

Hi. May I interject a question since this post has focused on FDISR and RBRx.

I just purchased BOTH RBRx & Acronic TI V.11.

Which one would YOU install and use? Which one is better/worse and why?

After reading several posts on the forum, it ssems like Acronis TI is a heavy-duty package and has much more flexibility then RBRx.

Thanks for your input...

Tim

[alloucho]

{QUOTE-> Hi. May I interject a question since this post has focused on FDISR and RBRx.

I just purchased BOTH RBRx & Acronic TI V.11.

Which one would YOU install and use? Which one is better/worse and why?

After reading several posts on the forum, it ssems like Acronis TI is a heavy-duty package and has much more flexibility then RBRx.

Thanks for your input...

Tim <-QUOTE}
ATI and RBRX are two different Progs with different Jobs. The first is an imaging software, the second is an ISR software.
So you can install ATI, take an image of your system, then install RBRX. In the case you encounter any flexibility problems you could restore your system with ATI.

[pratzert]

Thanks for that info..... it helps.

Regards, Tim

[rwt325]

ATI has the capability to backup/restore partitions, folders or files. It can put that image on any partition, internal or external (US HDs). It's most important feature is a Bootable Rescue Disk that you make yourself in five minutes. It takes you straight to ATI program from which you have a choice of images to restore. Since I have been using ATI since Windows ME that used to crash every ten minutes, that feature alone saved my sanity.

[Teknokrat]

The sole intention of this thread was to discuss the comparison between the three programs mentioned in the title thread. Acronis True Image is not one of them.

Judging from the issues raised in the Acronis part of this forum many users find ATI anything but reliable. Therefore it is not an option for me. ...but that is not what this thread is about.

regards,
T

[fce]

{QUOTE-> Hi,

Nicely summarized farmerlee but RBX has this feature too : you can schedule at each restart to restore a given snapshot

Regards,

MaB <-QUOTE}


both of you guys forgot the "imaging" features of RollbackRx8.1

[EASTER]

I really don't intend to throw cold water on satisfied customers of Rx but i have to chime in that neither Rx or any of it's competitors hold a candle to FD-ISR's Genuine releases that used to be distributed by another entity.

Looking back i can envision (if it were possible) an improved FD-ISR that not only allots 10 separate snapshots=systems but even more and also an iron clad LOCK against being forcefully displaced by some clever minded malware to unseat it's hold to the system installed on, but given the nature of windows NT systems, it's a no brainer that can't in reality be possible for any ISR, at least for very long i suppose.

I think LEAPFROG more or less pioneered perhaps the very best in ISR Technology "WITHOUT ISSUES" and further proof of their talents or at least forethought, this incredible ISR is served me as a duplicate if not replacement for my imaging needs.

Now i like to see any other ISR match those capabilities no to mention ErikAlbert's overjoy feature of the Freeze Storage treat.

EASTER

[Acadia]

{QUOTE-> both of you guys forgot the "imaging" features of RollbackRx8.1 <-QUOTE}
Its been a while since I have read the Rollback Manual, twice. Unless things have changed in Rollback, they HAD to include an imaging feature just like they HAD to include a defragging feature ... Rollback makes such RADICAL changes to the sectors of the hard drive that they had no choice but to include those "extra" features since there was now no other way of doing them. After you install Rollback all of the defraggers no longer work including the built-in Windows defragger. Also, imaging softwares no longer work; so they included their own imaging feature. Has my memory failed me over that past couple of years, am I remembering this correctly? Or does Rollback include these extra features just out of the kindness of their heart?

Acadia

[Empath]

{QUOTE-> .....am I remembering this correctly? <-QUOTE}

Not really. The files created by Rollback are concealed in a manner that doesn't permit any visible identification, nor manipulation of them. Doing so, could be disastrous to the system. It has been explained before in their forums that the concept of permitting visibility or recognition of them for purposes of such things as defragging has been entertained, but the more caution-minded have prevailed in leaving them concealed. As a result, not being recognizable by defraggers, imaging software and such, could mean the files' destruction from those utilities. Being recognizable would mean the files' destruction from direct manipulation.

It's a sticky situation. Someday a better answer may come to be. For now though, such services through their own provided alternative utility functions are what we have.

[Chris12923]

{QUOTE->

Now i like to see any other ISR match those capabilities no to mention ErikAlbert's overjoy feature of the Freeze Storage treat.

EASTER <-QUOTE}
Rollback has a freeze feature...

Thanks,

Chris

[Peter2150]

Removed inflammatory and unnecessary post.

Pete

[EASTER]

Simply Marvelous effort.

EASTER

[ablatt]

From what I've read, I have a few comments about FDISR.

1. You still need imaging in the event that FDISR 'snapshots' or the MBR or some other disk partitioning aspect gets corrupted. At that point, without imaging, you will need to re-install Windows, FDISR and recover snapshots, whereas with imaging you are back in minutes.

2. I don't believe Erik's static snapshot envrionment would work for me. I am updating applications and drivers constantly, installing service packs etc. This means that my baseline snapshot would constantly be changing. For now, I just create full images on a regular basis, but cannot simply boot into an image as if it was a partition, I must restore it to my boot drive. I can however, place all my data on a second drive so that my images stay quite small. So not sure, other than being able to easily boot into a selected snapshot vs. restoring an image, what the advantage of snapshots over images would be for me.

3. I also like the idea of not messing with the default MBR/boot sequence and staying pure vanilla Windows. This is a reason I don't install HIPS or other software that hook into the O/S at this point. Although I do run NOD32 as some sort of basic protection.

But I am open to suggestions that might improve my Vista 32-bit Image-only scenario.

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE->
2. I don't believe Erik's static snapshot envrionment would work for me. I am updating applications and drivers constantly, installing service packs etc. This means that my baseline snapshot would constantly be changing. For now, I just create full images on a regular basis, but cannot simply boot into an image as if it was a partition, I must restore it to my boot drive. I can however, place all my data on a second drive so that my images stay quite small. So not sure, other than being able to easily boot into a selected snapshot vs. restoring an image, what the advantage of snapshots over images would be for me.
<-QUOTE}
I keep my system up-to-date, just like you, but I use other procedures and you don't need the latest updates immediately in a frozen system.
I don't backup my actual system either like you and most users, I have another backup procedure, much safer.
Every experienced FDISR-user knows that you can use FDISR in many different ways. I use FDISR in such a way, I don't have to spend any time anymore on cleaning and repairing my system.

[Peter2150]

{QUOTE-> From what I've read, I have a few comments about FDISR.

1. You still need imaging in the event that FDISR 'snapshots' or the MBR or some other disk partitioning aspect gets corrupted. At that point, without imaging, you will need to re-install Windows, FDISR and recover snapshots, whereas with imaging you are back in minutes.

2. I don't believe Erik's static snapshot envrionment would work for me. I am updating applications and drivers constantly, installing service packs etc. This means that my baseline snapshot would constantly be changing. For now, I just create full images on a regular basis, but cannot simply boot into an image as if it was a partition, I must restore it to my boot drive. I can however, place all my data on a second drive so that my images stay quite small. So not sure, other than being able to easily boot into a selected snapshot vs. restoring an image, what the advantage of snapshots over images would be for me.

3. I also like the idea of not messing with the default MBR/boot sequence and staying pure vanilla Windows. This is a reason I don't install HIPS or other software that hook into the O/S at this point. Although I do run NOD32 as some sort of basic protection.

But I am open to suggestions that might improve my Vista 32-bit Image-only scenario. <-QUOTE}

Good question, but not appropriate here. Actually there are several threads in the Anti-malware forum, that might be of help to you.

Pete

[RobZee]

{QUOTE-> Thanks for the thorough explanation, Chris!

Was FDISR only sold as a download or where there boxed versions too?
It really is a shame there is no legal means of aquiring a license even though the product is discontinued. I recall reading somewhere that Leapfrog eventually will release updates that will be made available for registered users? Is this true?

regards,
T <-QUOTE}

I purchased my copy of FDISR from Provantage in July 2006 on a CD which they shipped to me.

Rob

[apathy]

{QUOTE-> Me,
1. First I create a SP-image for each snapshot
2. Then I convert each SP-image into a FDISR-archive
3. Then I convert each FDISR-archive into a FDISR-snapshot
So I reversed the normal procedure : Image ---> Archive ---> Snapshot,
while the normal procedure is : Snapshot ---> Archive ---> Image.
<-QUOTE}

Hey ErikAlbert,

You have to tell me how you convert an SP-image into an FDISR archive?
I have for my favorite laptop an SP image with FDISR installed on a new XP Sp2 install. Give us the background info behind the magic Merlin ;)