Kaspersky v.8 (2009) Official Technical Release is out

[Macstorm]

v. 8.0.0.357 (http://forum.kaspersky.com/index.php?showtopic=67351) :thumb:

[JerryM]

Is it ready for an average user, in the slow group like me?
I suppose I should wait a few weeks and see how it is going.???
Thanks,
Jerry

[Macstorm]

It's up to you Jerry :)

Please check the link above, as far as i know there's only a few minor GUI bugs yet to be fixed.

[trjam]

Jerry wait. Not because it is broke but it has drastically changed. They have added a ton of new stuff for the better but it takes a bit of getting use to.

[JerryM]

Thanks for the help. I had thought it would be better for me to wait.
Regards,
Jerry

[Chubb]

-{ Quote: "Is it ready for an average user, in the slow group like me?
I suppose I should wait a few weeks and see how it is going.???
Thanks,
Jerry" }-

You can download the Technical Release, try it and see if you can manage the new GUI or features. Of course, you need to backup your system first in case you need to restore your system.

[Xenophobe]

Just tested it in a virtual machine (XP SP3) and it ran well. :thumb:

[JerryM]

-{ Quote: "You can download the Technical Release, try it and see if you can manage the new GUI or features. Of course, you need to backup your system first in case you need to restore your system." }-

Thanks, but I do not know how to back up my system. I know that beta testers do such, but I do not want to go to that much trouble.
The 7.0.0.125 version is working well.;D
I appreciate the advice.

Regards,
Jerry

[Sjoeii]

It has been made easier for most users. But it also still have a lot of settings to play with for the more experienced

[Sjoeii]

Please don't spam.
I wouldn't trust it if I where you

[trjam]

well, he does say the "sipping" is very cheap. ;D

[dawgg]

Good idea for non-techies to wait for Kaspersky's Handbook (probably over 300pages again!) and Support Articles to be properly uploaded encase you need help.
... (There are of course still Help files in Kaspersky!)

Its definatly not as easy to use as KAV6/7 and other AVs... more new and advanced features (like HIPS), so it'll definatly take a bit of getting used to for non-techies.

I recommend most people install it in Basic mode, get used to that first and if they're feeling adventurous, after you're acquainted with Basic, run the installer again in Advanced.
Or if you're really adventurous, go straight into the deep end... Advanced

[trjam]

My question, and I tread lightly here so a simple answer will do is, I see iswift and ichecker are both still in it. Wasnt there a issue with one of those and if so what has been done to correct it.

[DonKid]

-{ Quote: "My question, and I tread lightly here so a simple answer will do is, I see iswift and ichecker are both still in it. Wasnt there a issue with one of those and if so what has been done to correct it." }-
KIS 2009 won't have problems with chkdsk.It's been fixed since the first alpha version.

[trjam]

thank you sir.

[rookieman]

Is there any screen shots of this.This sounds like quite the suite that they've put together here.:D

[trjam]

To me, what they have created is more in line to take on Norton 360, One Care and suites of that type. It has HIPS and it really does all but iron your shirts. It will be different for some, a lot different, some will say to big and confusing and others will love it. How much better it will protect though, well, only time will tell. The GUI is really pretty. Sorry. I dont have it installed for any shots.

[trjam]

When I tried it for awhile, it looked different, had more, felt same. If that makes sense.

[rookieman]

Perhaps Sjoeii could do this when he gets a spare moment.Trjam it won't iron my shirts!!!;D

[Nike_P]

I really hope that this new version will be as good as old Kaspersky version's, because i remember before everybody used to love Kaspersky but not the latest , i have not heard so much positive thing's about Kaspersky.
So i wish them all luck and i wish this new product has a strong detection-rate and a very very light on resources.
:thumb:

[egghead]

For me, Kaspersky is becoming bloatware. :o

From a viewpoint of detection it will be top (it always has been)

[Honyak]

I installed KAV 8 (2009) last night, while it did appear to look somewhat bloated, it runs very smooth and light. All the issues I had with MP1 .325 seem to have been fixed, I was still running .125.
The new gui looks really nice but will take some getting familiar with.
I have not been installing the web scanner with 7.0, but did install it for the trial and it also was very brisk, whereas before it seemed to slow page loading on some sites. I still will not installed it when the final version is released, as I just don't feel I need it.

[TJP]

-{ Quote: "Good idea for non-techies to wait for Kaspersky's Handbook (probably over 300pages again!) and Support Articles to be properly uploaded encase you need help.
<snip>
Its definatly not as easy to use as KAV6/7 and other AVs... more new and advanced features (like HIPS), so it'll definatly take a bit of getting used to for non-techies." }-
I agree. Loaded the KIS TR release and it is very different to version 7. What I liked were the very fast scan times (for me twice as fast as KIS 7.0.1.325), lower again ram & cpu usage & the ability to scan the PC for vulnerabilities.

Upon completing the vulnerabilities scan, KIS 2009 reported that I was missing two office XP updates, which is nice. The KIS report provides a link to the Viruslist.com site explaining each vunerability.

Annoyingly, I did have to convert the viruslist.com pages from English to Russian! The English site came up with missing page errors. Hopefully KL fixes this oversight.

I look forward to using the official release in a few months.

Cheers.

[Ed_H]

I installed KIS 2009 TR yesterday. I have a license for KIS but had moved on to Avira after the last couple of versions caused major slowdowns on my laptop. KIS 2009 seems to be a completely different animal...scan times are reduced by over 50% and, so far, it runs as smooth and light as Avira. Even the webscanner doesn't seem to cause any slowdown. So far so good. :thumb:

[kinwolf]

Curious if anyone that is testing KIS 8 tried it with LOTRO? I have to shut down KIS 7 when I play that game as it can't keep up with the network packet exchange.

[Sjoeii]

-{ Quote: "Perhaps Sjoeii could do this when he gets a spare moment.Trjam it won't iron my shirts!!!;D" }-
What could I do????

[osip]

Lighter than Light ! Kasp lab has made it ...The only thing here so far is that AstonShell\AMaster.exe is detected as a trojan...and it seems to be impossible to exclude it...Maybe it´s me but after putting it in threats and exclusions\trusted\ it still gets deleted after restoring...

[trjam]

-{ Quote: "What could I do????" }-
What do most want when a new toy arrives. Screen shots.;)

[Sjoeii]

aha
Will post them soon

[DonKid]

You can see them here:

http://malwarecrawler.com/kaspersky/

[trjam]

geez Don, I just reloaded it to take some shots. Kaspersky gets a :thumb: on this one. It isnt like the past. Now wheres my credit card?;)

[BG]

How's it run on Vista? :)

[trjam]

I have it back on. Runs like a whistle on Vista. No anti hacker, a real firewall. They have added some since I last looked at it. It is the whole mother-ship and more.

[Ed_H]

-{ Quote: "How's it run on Vista? :)" }-

FAST and smooth on Vista Home Premium. I am really surprised at the speed change from the previous version.

[Sjoeii]

-{ Quote: "I have it back on. Runs like a whistle on Vista. No anti hacker, a real firewall. They have added some since I last looked at it. It is the whole mother-ship and more." }-
Good to hear you like it, Jeff

[rookieman]

-{ Quote: "You can see them here:

http://malwarecrawler.com/kaspersky/" }-
Thank-you so much for that Don.This does look very different than v7.:o I'm glad I've still got a 3 user cd of KIS.I'll be taking a closer look at this when it's released for sure.:thumb:

[trjam]

-{ Quote: "Good to hear you like it, Jeff" }-
Excellent job. E.K. should be proud of this.

[Xenophobe]

I might be installing the newest build on my main machine. Very tempting. :P

[Macstorm]

-{ Quote: "Excellent job. E.K. should be proud of this." }-
Am I dreaming? ;D

[JasSolo]

I think they messed up the name. They should have stayed with the number instead of the year (like everyone else uses)
The GUI is IMHO a mess. The "front" side of it, is a mixture of ESET and Symantec. The rest of it, is a "where have they put it now" mess.
:thumb: for the scanning speed. It's now down to half the time.
Interesting to see some tests of it in the near future, when the product is final.


Cheers

[djohn]

what a new toy,O boy Ya play time

[subset]

-{ Quote: "
The GUI is IMHO a mess." }-
This is no GUI, this is a steeplechase.
Why is everything in the GUI scattered and confusing?
Just a question: how many windows are part of the firewall and how long did it last to find out?

A real shame, because I tried different beta versions of KAV and KIS 2009, great performance, low on memory resources and CPU consumption, very impressing.

But I am afraid this GUI mess is the creation of dense marketing weasels and will stay and annoy many users.

Cheers

[Sjoeii]

-{ Quote: "Excellent job. E.K. should be proud of this." }-
He is. The beta testers and the developers have been working ahrd on this one. Luckily with a lot of interaction from the devs on the beta forum as well.

[trjam]

The speed of scanning, web browsing, the new features added, the fact that the firewall is new and non-obtrusive, I mean I can go on for days. Thiis by far is the best suite I have ever seen created. Plain and simple.:)

[ASpace]

-{ Quote: "Thiis by far is the best suite I have ever seen created. Plain and simple.:)" }-

Until tomorrow , when AVIRA will again appear as your avatar ::)

[trjam]

-{ Quote: "Until tomorrow , when AVIRA will again appear as your avatar ::)" }-
Dont think so since I bought a 2 year license for it.:dry:

[ASpace]

-{ Quote: "Dont think so" }-

No matter how many you have spent on licenses I give you 101% guarantee . I am impatient to see tomorrow's change :thumb:

[trjam]

-{ Quote: "No matter how many you have spent on licenses I give you 101% guarantee . I am impatient to see tomorrow's change :thumb:" }-
My friend, with my take on their new suite, you may be holding your breath for a 24 month period.;)

[Nike_P]

is this new version really that light? and will it hold / be that light all the time, even after they upgrade it some month's / weeks and so?
and how about their detection-rate? is it better then previous version?

[trjam]

-{ Quote: "is this new version really that light? and will it hold / be that light all the time, even after they upgrade it some month's / weeks and so?
and how about their detection-rate? is it better then previous version?" }-
Very light, scans very fast. Actually my computers are faster with it then anything I have used. Detection, verdict is out for now. Better? Best version to date. Can do things that most cant. But, dont take my word, give it a whirl.

[yaslaw]

How many process new KIS is using?
What about CPU usage during normal work?

[ablatt]

I noticed earlier in the thread KAS still uses iswift and ichecker.

So how have they fixed the chkdsk issues?

Are they know longer using object ids to store information or are they doing it in a different way?

[trjam]

-{ Quote: "I noticed earlier in the thread KAS still uses iswift and ichecker.

So how have they fixed the chkdsk issues?

Are they know longer using object ids to store information or are they doing it in a different way?" }-
that is no longer an issue. With this version everything is different.

[The_Duality]

-{ Quote: "I noticed earlier in the thread KAS still uses iswift and ichecker.

So how have they fixed the chkdsk issues?

Are they know longer using object ids to store information or are they doing it in a different way?" }-

To be honest that whole thing was blown completely out of proportion. KAV/KIS 7 was a great product even when it did use ObjectIDs. Seriously though, who runs chkdsk on a regular basis, in terms of home users?

[osip]

Very light, scans very fast...in fact the fastest and lightest I´ve seen so far.But, if you have FP:s it´s a nightmare to exclude and figure out right configuration...You have a "trusted" in HIPS which differs from the AV:s "trusted zone"...My issue was solved only after the kasp lab took care of it through an update...failed to solve it through the config.But, with an easier to understand config table this is a revolution in an overall security suite! At least that´s my non expert humble review....

[plantextract]

actually, it's easy to exclude. you go to the Detected window and right click the entry, then choose Add to exclusions

[trjam]

osip, I agree. I am running in high settings of everything and on a full scan 5 FPs were flagged. Took me a tad to figure out how to exclude them for the future. The neat thing is a full scan is one of the fastest I have used. Then you can set it to scan only new and changed files like the old version. Doing this your scan times are nothing. I realize I am tooting high today, but it is a complete 360 from version 7.

planetextract, where were you last night when I needed you. But yes, simple to exclude.

[osip]

-{ Quote: "But yes, simple to exclude." }-

Generally yes, but if you have a FP virus red alarm alert the file gets deleted by reboot even if you´ve choosen block instead of disinfect in the alarm nag...Deleted, means it´s gone...and the exclusion option is gone...

[JerryM]

-{ Quote: "Generally yes, but if you have a FP virus red alarm alert the file gets deleted by reboot even if you´ve choosen block instead of disinfect in the alarm nag...Deleted, means it´s gone...and the exclusion option is gone..." }-

Would that mean that it is reasonably possible that some files got deleted that would be needed in another application and problems would arise?

Best,
Jerry

[3x0gR13N]

-{ Quote: "osip, I agree. I am running in high settings of everything and on a full scan 5 FPs were flagged.
...
" }-
Hi trjam,
can you post the locations of those 5 FPs? Are they by any chance, lets say, Quicktime, MS Office, FF or Opera files? If they are, those aren't FPs, they are detected as Vulnerabilities because the applications are probably outdated and pose a security threat (exploitable by malware, as you already know :D). Kaspersky is now using the Secunia database to detect such (possible) security holes... :)


(P.S nice to be here, first time poster :P)

[plantextract]

-{ Quote: "Generally yes, but if you have a FP virus red alarm alert the file gets deleted by reboot even if you´ve choosen block instead of disinfect in the alarm nag...Deleted, means it´s gone...and the exclusion option is gone..." }-
did you use automatic mode? that automatically deletes stuff.
the disinfect vs block option allows choosing between delete now (which might not work) or delete on reboot.

also, when you delete a file, you cna restore it from the all detected malware section, right click, restore.

[osip]

-{ Quote: "Would that mean that it is reasonably possible that some files got deleted that would be needed in another application and problems would arise?

Best,
Jerry" }-

Yes in my case it was...but in favour of kasp lab it was taken care of very fast.But, the similar could occur...
199600

In config I obviously wrongly putted the file in wrong tab...Could´nt find solution before the FP was taken care of by def upd...
199601

But, and I mean BUT, this is still a TR and the suite is in all aspects marvelleous...With fine tuning and config improvements it takes them all!!! What a competition is going on....

[dawgg]

-{ Quote: "and how about their detection-rate? is it better then previous version?" }-
Yes... You've already asked that question... (post 8 ) and I've already answered (post 21) in this thread: http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=205467

wakey wakey :)

[mata7]

where can i download this new version, on kaspersky FTP i only see v.8.0.0.0.346 RC2

[osip]

Good, if I´m somnolent I beg my pardon...Fine?
I´m not asking the same particular question...I´m talking about when facing the same kind of problem...
I thought that user problems was of concern ? Not all are high tech...
---------
added:
-{ Quote: ""unknown virus 2.exe" detected by v8 but not by v7; implying v8s heuristics are better.
Also v8 has improved suspicious packer detection and multi-layer-packed-files detection" }-

if that´s you, maybe ....

[Trespasser]

So far I'm highly impressed. Very fast browsing...fast scanning...a tremendous improvement over version 7. Big thumbs up to Kaspersky. :thumb: .

[lodore]

if it deletes a file doesnt it automatically back it up first just like in kis7.0?
so in the case of an fp turn off file av,restore the file from backup zip it in a password protected archive and then turn file av back on.
not that hard tbh.

[Hezakiah]

So here we go again, My Systweak key thats good until 04/2010 is not compatible with this release. Same thing happened when v.7 arrived. I have the april 30th RC installed and not the beta installed. Any ideas? BTW in the meantime I have the trial going.

[JerryM]

Thanks, osip and Lodore.
Lodore, how would one know to do that if someone had not told him? I does appear complicated enough so that an average user, me, would have no idea what to do.
Thanks,
Jerry

[osip]

Well, in my case only after reporting to the lab it´s OK...Deleted and vanished...I had to dig after the file from another snapshot to send it for analyze...Maybe I mishandled the issue, could be, but in spite of this the suite is remarkable...

[lodore]

-{ Quote: "So here we go again, My Systweak key thats good until 04/2010 is not compatible with this release. Same thing happened when v.7 arrived. I have the april 30th RC installed and not the beta installed. Any ideas? BTW in the meantime I have the trial going." }-
HeyHezakiah ,
i have a boxed version of Kaspersky internet security 6.0 and my key wont work with Kis 2009 so i have to submit a support request in about a month when it comes out offically on there website. KL 6 and lower keys wont work with KL 2009 and will have to be replaced by support when it comes out offically.
KL 7 keys will work fine with KL 2009.

[TonyW]

-{ Quote: "How many process new KIS is using?" }-Two, same as before.

[trjam]

-{ Quote: "Hi trjam,
can you post the locations of those 5 FPs? Are they by any chance, lets say, Quicktime, MS Office, FF or Opera files? If they are, those aren't FPs, they are detected as Vulnerabilities because the applications are probably outdated and pose a security threat (exploitable by malware, as you already know :D). Kaspersky is now using the Secunia database to detect such (possible) security holes... :)


(P.S nice to be here, first time poster :P)" }-
Actually you are correct. They were not FPs. They were vulnerabilities. Sorry. There is so much to this suite it takes some getting use to. But damn, I love playing with it.;)

[L815]

So no more Object ID's?
I guess I'll have to give it a shot!

[trjam]

no offense but that same question has been asked and answered twice in this thread.

[osip]

-{ Quote: "There is so much to this suite it takes some getting use to. But damn, I love playing with it.;)" }-

I roger that indeed...( I have 5 active vulnerabilities...);D

[plantextract]

-{ Quote: "Two, same as before." }-
it starts with 2, but you can see 3 during a scan, update etc.

[Ed_H]

It plays well with DefenseWall. Assuming Kaspersky's usual excellent detection and cleaning abilities, it seems like KIS 2009 plus DW should be more than enough to keep about anyone out of trouble. :D

[Kielty]

doesn't want to install on a system that has been running AVG IS 8:(

After uninstalling AVG and a reboot, Kaspersky's installer says AVG8 is still installed and must first be uninstalled.

It is uninstalled and Windows Security Centre reports no AV running...

Ah well, back to AVG..

[larryb52]

-{ Quote: "The speed of scanning, web browsing, the new features added, the fact that the firewall is new and non-obtrusive, I mean I can go on for days. Thiis by far is the best suite I have ever seen created. Plain and simple.:)" }-


you think it's good, the GUI that tough?, I'm pretty good with technical stuff but has anyone posted a screen shot?

[Badcompany]

-{ Quote: "you think it's good, the GUI that tough?, I'm pretty good with technical stuff but has anyone posted a screen shot?" }-

Here's one, Can't beleave this is lighter than the DR.
Badcompany.

[plantextract]

-{ Quote: "doesn't want to install on a system that has been running AVG IS 8:(

After uninstalling AVG and a reboot, Kaspersky's installer says AVG8 is still installed and must first be uninstalled.

It is uninstalled and Windows Security Centre reports no AV running...

Ah well, back to AVG.." }-
AVG forgets to delete this key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\AVG8Uninstall

[dawgg]

-{ Quote: "doesn't want to install on a system that has been running AVG IS 8:( " }-
Dont know why you're sad... installing 2 AVs on one computer can cause BIG problems... and it'll lead less techie users to think the second AV they installed has massive problems and is crap (although its the user's fault for installing 2 AVs in the first place)... Installing 2 AVs is highly discouraged.

-{ Quote: "After uninstalling AVG and a reboot, Kaspersky's installer says AVG8 is still installed and must first be uninstalled." }-
AVG must have left a registry key behind. Thats how Kaspersky checks for other AVs.

[dawgg]

-{ Quote: "has anyone posted a screen shot?" }-
Yes :)

Edit: screenshots are in the link in #Post 30

[lucas1985]

-{ Quote: "So no more Object ID's?" }-
Guessing from the posts in KAV's forums, I'd say that object ID's are still created, but they shouldn't cause problems anymore. I'd like to have the option of disabling them completely, though.

KAV/KIS 2009 sounds like a big leap in technology: rewritten scanning engine, re-worked HIPS, whitelist database (Bit9), vulnerability database (Secunia), malicious sites database, etc. I wonder if Kaspersky can manage such drastic changes while maintaining/improving stability/reliability. Also, judging from the screenshots, the GUI is a mess.

[larryb52]

but this is not a RC is it?, I read the forum where there are some unresolved issues. I have had my share of issues that remain unsolved for 6 mths or more & with Kaspersky's rep with the hidden problem with the check disk issue I'm not sure they can be trusted...

[dawgg]

-{ Quote: "but this is not a RC is it?....with Kaspersky's rep with the hidden problem with the check disk issue I'm not sure they can be trusted..." }-
TR comes after RC (in the case of Kaspersky) and the TR is the version which will be commercially released for customers.
source: http://support.kaspersky.com/faq/?qid=208279220

Its up to you whether you want to trust Kaspersky or not... by all means, nobody is forcing you to use it if you don't want to :)

[Baz_kasp]

-{ Quote: "but this is not a RC is it?, I read the forum where there are some unresolved issues. I have had my share of issues that remain unsolved for 6 mths or more & with Kaspersky's rep with the hidden problem with the check disk issue I'm not sure they can be trusted..." }-

It is a technical release, which means that main development has finished and the product is in the final stages of being released.... there may still be some newer builds before release as was the case with KAV/KIS 7, TR was build .119, and release build was .125

Developers have commented that the implementation of iSwift in KAV/KIS 2009 is reworked and different to that with previous versions (e.g. old type of object id do not work with KAV/KIS 2009).

Installing and scanning with KAV/KIS 2009 should not cause a chkdsk delay, and with that issue gone I do not see why it should be a problem.


GUI is different to 7.0, one of the main reasons being there is simply a lot more options/content to accomodate with KAV/KIS 2009.
It takes a bit of getting used to, but there is nothing there that should be beyond the scope of a normal user. When designing this version devs wanted to strike a balance that would please both power users and the average user who would like to "set it and forget it".

[lodore]

http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kis2009qj1.jpg
i wouldnt call it a mess.
i wish KL would reconcider the RC tag for this build.
why not give it a few more weeks and correct the main known problems?
but most companies these days realease products and list the main problems in the release notes
if you know of some problems fix them! dont just list them in release notes.

btw my KL 6 key works with this build so woot!

[SourMilk]

Larry, I agree. Twice bitten v5 and v6 leaves one very leery. I wished Kaspersky or any AV maker for that matter would inform the user of permanent changes made to the user's computer without having to find out later and try to correct problems using user-made methods.

I've learned my lesson. I will wait until the all clear siren sounds.

(places on his flame-proof suit) :-X

[larryb52]

-{ Quote: "Larry, I agree. Twice bitten v5 and v6 leaves one very leery. I wished Kaspersky or any AV maker for that matter would inform the user of permanent changes made to the user's computer without having to find out later and try to correct problems using user-made methods.

I've learned my lesson. I will wait until the all clear siren sounds.

(places on his flame-proof suit) :-X" }-


in this case I would need to see more than a thumbs up by PcMag & I wouldn't put that suit on just yet. I'm sure a lot of people are waiting for the same reason. In fact that maybe a majority.

[trjam]

well I stand by all my comments and as a average joe, the setup and GUI were not hard, heck it was fun. Wait if you wish but Kaspersky has rewritten the whole meaning of what a suite is. I am still mystified by how light it is.:thumb:

[Hezakiah]

Ah ok lodore, I'll wait on the official release then. Thanks.

-{ Quote: "HeyHezakiah ,
i have a boxed version of Kaspersky internet security 6.0 and my key wont work with Kis 2009 so i have to submit a support request in about a month when it comes out offically on there website. KL 6 and lower keys wont work with KL 2009 and will have to be replaced by support when it comes out offically.
KL 7 keys will work fine with KL 2009." }-

[osip]

Earlier the complaints always been related to performance issues...This is solved, and I think that´s the major gaining...Upon that KL has gone in clinch with other vendors with the HIPS inclusive which makes it in a final stage a very, very strong combat...The last intensive security apps development has reached a furious fighting and KIS/KAV with this TR release has shown that they will regain leading position...Of course we will se bugs and minor adjustment but overall this is really something...

[larryb52]

-{ Quote: "well I stand by all my comments and as a average joe, the setup and GUI were not hard, heck it was fun. Wait if you wish but Kaspersky has rewritten the whole meaning of what a suite is. I am still mystified by how light it is.:thumb:" }-


don't be mystified be afraid. If somethings that light it makes you wonder what's what & if something is too good to be true than it means it usually is...

[trjam]

-{ Quote: "don't be mystified be afraid. If somethings that light it makes you wonder what's what & if something is too good to be true than it means it usually is..." }-
totally disagree. If you want to render a thought on this, you really should try it and then submit your thought. Kaspersky knows of the hole they had dug and really looking up was the only way out. I was once a Kaspersky never going buyer, and this one product has revamped my thoughts. I watched Larry, the beta as it was created. They listened very carefully inward and outward at what was wanted. I will quit rambling and if it is magazine reviews that it will take to make you see, then that is cool and I respect it. But I challenge anyone to show me a complete product that can even walk the ground with this suite.

[Baz_kasp]

It is "light" because they reworked the scanning engine, tweaked it for efficient use of multi core machines, and specifically focussed on improving scanning speed because of feedback from users that previous versions were "slow" (compared to other solutions).....

There were many discussions on the KL forum where developers were asking for feedback on scanning times as the engine was optimised and settings refined.

Unfortunately there is no juicy reason apart from that for the lightness ;)

[osip]

-{ Quote: "Unfortunately there is no juicy reason apart from that for the lightness" }-
Let´s see in future AV-comparative...

[Sjoeii]

-{ Quote: "It is "light" because they reworked the scanning engine, tweaked it for efficient use of multi core machines, and specifically focussed on improving scanning speed because of feedback from users that previous versions were "slow" (compared to other solutions).....

There were many discussions on the KL forum where developers were asking for feedback on scanning times as the engine was optimised and settings refined.

Unfortunately there is no juicy reason apart from that for the lightness ;)" }-
Hi Baz

Good to see you here ;)

[Sjoeii]

-{ Quote: "Let´s see in future AV-comparative..." }-
You'll be surprised

[lodore]

lets hope i can still upload trace logs and get stuff fixed.
build 357 is totally unuseable on my system.
i have posted on the Kl forums about it.
older beta builds worked on my pc.

[larryb52]

-{ Quote: "totally disagree. If you want to render a thought on this, you really should try it and then submit your thought. Kaspersky knows of the hole they had dug and really looking up was the only way out. I was once a Kaspersky never going buyer, and this one product has revamped my thoughts. I watched Larry, the beta as it was created. They listened very carefully inward and outward at what was wanted. I will quit rambling and if it is magazine reviews that it will take to make you see, then that is cool and I respect it. But I challenge anyone to show me a complete product that can even walk the ground with this suite." }-


I respect your opinion & BTW I said I 'wouldn't' belive a mag article but maybe I'll try it. However when I get burned I do learn & you see there is yet another release MP1 I believe & who knows where it will go. I have been sticking with av+firewall+SAS & I have been happy . FWIW this year has if anything marked the rushing of software that hasn't quite measured up to expectations & it isn't the problem you may not see today but the one that bites tomorrow that I have grown tired of...

[Sjoeii]

You know you can.
Don't worry

[Baz_kasp]

-{ Quote: "Hi Baz

Good to see you here ;)" }-

Cheers Sjoeii.

I thought I would pop over and see what I could contribute to this topic.

[3x0gR13N]

-{ Quote: "Let´s see in future AV-comparative..." }-
Well, in the worst case scenario v8 (oops, 2009 :P) will have the same detection rate as v7 because the database of known malicious files is identical to v7, plus the heuristics have been slightly tweaked and packer detection added in 2009, so the detection rate should be higher. :)

[oliverjia]

I was very supprised to see that everybody here say good stuff about kav2009, but no one critisize it.
I installed KIS 2009 TR on my home computer to test if they still have ichecker/iswift. Right after installation, I manually scaned one zip file, which is about 20MB on drive E:. Then I noticed that the "occupied space" on Drive E increased about 5MB after the scan. The total file size did not change.
What a shame. KIS is still writing CRAP on your hard drive!
Heck, I uninstalled it right away and go back to antivir. What a shameful practice for kaspersky to insist writing crap on your drive before you realize it.

[Ed_H]

-{ Quote: "well I stand by all my comments and as a average joe, the setup and GUI were not hard, heck it was fun. Wait if you wish but Kaspersky has rewritten the whole meaning of what a suite is. I am still mystified by how light it is.:thumb:" }-

I have to agree with you. There are lots of options in the GUI to explore but it is not that difficult. It seems to me that the most important things are that it gives great protection (hopefully) and doesn't slow things down.

[Baz_kasp]

-{ Quote: "I was very supprised to see that everybody here say good stuff about kav2009, but no one critisize it.
I installed KIS 2009 TR on my home computer to test if they still have ichecker/iswift. Right after installation, I manually scaned one zip file, which is about 20MB on drive E:. Then I noticed that the "occupied space" on Drive E increased about 5MB after the scan. The total file size did not change.
What a shame. KIS is still writing CRAP on your hard drive!
Heck, I uninstalled it right away and go back to antivir. What a shameful practice for kaspersky to insist writing crap on your drive before you realize it." }-


Here we go again..... product is hardly out of the door and the scaremongering has started. ::)

Nobody has said KIS2009 does not have ichecker or iswift, but it has been stated that the technology has been modified to prevent the chkdsk issue some people experienced.

FYI to bring some balance to this post,

I scanned my flashdrive which contains a mix of executable files, images, documents and archives...something I had not scanned with KIS2009 before.

Screenshot before:

http://i32.tinypic.com/2e3dac0.jpg

Screenshot after:

http://i26.tinypic.com/30m1xmw.jpg

You decide which seems more reasonable ;) (unless your "E" is NTFS)

[trjam]

-{ Quote: "I was very supprised to see that everybody here say good stuff about kav2009, but no one critisize it.
I installed KIS 2009 TR on my home computer to test if they still have ichecker/iswift. Right after installation, I manually scaned one zip file, which is about 20MB on drive E:. Then I noticed that the "occupied space" on Drive E increased about 5MB after the scan. The total file size did not change.
What a shame. KIS is still writing CRAP on your hard drive!
Heck, I uninstalled it right away and go back to antivir. What a shameful practice for kaspersky to insist writing crap on your drive before you realize it." }-
Hmm, I just did the same and no change in occupied space.

[plantextract]

iswift wouldn't account for such a size difference anyway. maybe windows decided to backup some of the executables kis scanned (system volume information)

[oliverjia]

Man I hope you are not kidding.
My E is a hard drive partition and surely I used NTFS. Anyone not use NTFS on their hard drive these days?


-{ Quote: "Here we go again..... product is hardly out of the door and the scaremongering has started. ::)

Nobody has said KIS2009 does not have ichecker or iswift, but it has been stated that the technology has been modified to prevent the chkdsk issue some people experienced.

FYI to bring some balance to this post,

I scanned my flashdrive which contains a mix of executable files, images, documents and archives...something I had not scanned with KIS2009 before.

Screenshot before:

http://i32.tinypic.com/2e3dac0.jpg

Screenshot after:

http://i26.tinypic.com/30m1xmw.jpg

You decide which seems more reasonable ;) (unless your "E" is NTFS)" }-

[oliverjia]

I mentioned it's not the file size that changed, it was the "occupied space" on your hard drive that changed. Which means, KAV/KIS added some stuff onto your hard drive.
To do this, you need to right click your drive letter (NOT any file folders), select properties to see the occupied space, NOT right click all the files themselves.

-{ Quote: "Hmm, I just did the same and no change in occupied space." }-

[Sjoeii]

Come on Guys
Tha suite isn't even being released yet!!!

[oliverjia]

I am 90% sure they will keep iswift/ickecker in the final version. The fact why do they do this even when Microsoft specificly told them that the exploit of objectID in NTFS files as in iswift/ickecker is NOT recommended is truly beyond me.




-{ Quote: "Come on Guys
Tha suite isn't even being released yet!!!" }-

[oliverjia]

I may sound paranoid but I was just so pissed when I asked Kaspersky to refund my money but was rudely rejected, because I found the iswift/ichecker issue and uninstalled KAV/KIS off all my computers. I now have 2 retail boxes of KAV6, and 3 boxes of KIS 6/7 laying in my closet and I had to purchase antivir....
I think the fact that they put crap on your hard drive, permanently, without noticing you in the first place, is at least immoral. I feel sorry for them.

[DonKid]

-{ Quote: "Hi Baz

Good to see you here ;)" }-
Me too Baz.
And I´m glad to see a lot of folks from our Kaspersky forum here too.:D

[Jin K]

im realy excited ;D to see this ver in Av-comparatives

and how its detection rate ??

good luck kaspersky

[trjam]

well I am putting my faith in Baz Kasp. Ichecker and Iswift cant be worse then Iscrewherupper which is me. The one voice I will listen to would be Blue here if he wants to check it out. But for now, I am a happy camper.

[Baz_kasp]

Small misunderstanding oliverjia no need to jump all over me (Im a bit of a sloth without my coffee) ;)

Just a small note- I really don't see why iswift should be such an issue anymore. It won't cause a chkdsk slowdown anymore and it will not affect the performance of your machine. Problem solved IMO.

You are of course entitled to your opinion just as I am to mine and im not going to convince you otherwise... I assume you are happy with Avira and am glad you have found a suite that works for you.

Baz.

[denniz]

-{ Quote: "The fact why do they do this even when Microsoft specificly told them that the exploit of objectID in NTFS files as in iswift/ickecker is NOT recommended is truly beyond me." }-

What exactly does this mean? Why is it not recommended? What could be the potential problems?

[Baz_kasp]

-{ Quote: "im realy excited ;D to see this ver in Av-comparatives

and how its detection rate ??

good luck kaspersky" }-


Signature wise- exactly the same as version 7, plus a few extras.

However, there are quite a few improvements and some of them are listed here (off the top of my head):

*Improved Heuristics/emulation

*HIPS to restrict the priviliges of unknown applications (it can also alert you to files it has deemed suspicious via emulation...such files will have a high danger index (e.g. 90-100) and will result in a prompt before execution on wether to limit exeuction to "safe" changes only or to allow it to run. Heuristics engine has been improved and will be constantly updated with time to include new generic detections (Denoted by Heur. prefix on detected objects, as with V7)


*Multi Packed files detection
*Suspicious Packers/compressed files

These two options will not result in every packed file being flagged as suspicious, but in certain circumstances (e.g. a very rarely used legitemate packer being used on an executable file) may be flagged. Currently, I have no packer detections on any files on my laptop or desktop.

I am sure there is more but I can't remember...someone else might pipe in.

[3x0gR13N]

Hi oliverjia,
I think that KIS is only unpacking the (.zip) archive and then processing it, normal for most AVs out there. Temporary files are created and afterward deleted if they aren't necessary anymore. :) The problem is that sometimes those files won't be deleted immediately (because they don't use much HD space, ...like your case) and will be deleted after a reboot. (it's probably linked with how Windows itself manages temporary files). If those temporary files were larger, they would be deleted immediately after the scan has ended... :) That being said, I don't think it's related to iSwift, just the unpacking engine working. :)


@Baz: AFAIK you pretty much listed all :)

[osip]

-{ Quote: "You are of course entitled to your opinion just as I am to mine and im not going to convince you otherwise... I assume you are happy with Avira and am glad you have found a suite that works for you." }-

Yes,that´s what it´s all about....Opinions,comparing and testing.Where would we all be without this...? In a bar smoking marihuana ? It´s an addiction in itself...God bless the forum...

[trjam]

-{ Quote: "What exactly does this mean? Why is it not recommended? What could be the potential problems?" }-
I think what was an issue, has been resolved to the fact of doing no harm to your PC. We screw our computers up so many ways and dont even think about it. All I know is this suite is sweet and allows me to dump all other software and use it by itself. My computer can finally smell the fresh air again, even if there is a hint of vodka in it.;)

[trjam]

-{ Quote: "Yes,that´s what it´s all about....Opinions,comparing and testing.Where would we all be without this...? In a bar smoking marihuana ? It´s an addiction in itself...God bless the forum..." }-
marihuana ?

Hmmm, so are you?;)

[osip]

-{ Quote: "marihuana ?

Hmmm, so are you?;)" }-

Maybe we could play in the same team...8)

[trjam]

dont worry oliverjia, that is what the privacy cleaner is for.;D ::) :dry:

[Baz_kasp]

If I remember correctly there should soon be testing of a rescue cd download based on linux (or unix?) that will be released as a compliment to KAV/KIS 2009.

http://forum.kaspersky.com/index.php?showtopic=66994&view=findpost&p=619061

[Nike_P]

please more pictures of Kaspersky ver8 ;D ;D

[Macstorm]

-{ Quote: "where can i download this new version, on kaspersky FTP i only see v.8.0.0.0.346 RC2" }-
Here: http://dnl-eu2.kaspersky-labs.com/devbuilds/TR/

[Jin K]

-{ Quote: "Signature wise- exactly the same as version 7, plus a few extras.

However, there are quite a few improvements and some of them are listed here (off the top of my head):

*Improved Heuristics/emulation

*HIPS to restrict the priviliges of unknown applications (it can also alert you to files it has deemed suspicious via emulation...such files will have a high danger index (e.g. 90-100) and will result in a prompt before execution on wether to limit exeuction to "safe" changes only or to allow it to run. Heuristics engine has been improved and will be constantly updated with time to include new generic detections (Denoted by Heur. prefix on detected objects, as with V7)


*Multi Packed files detection
*Suspicious Packers/compressed files

These two options will not result in every packed file being flagged as suspicious, but in certain circumstances (e.g. a very rarely used legitemate packer being used on an executable file) may be flagged. Currently, I have no packer detections on any files on my laptop or desktop.

I am sure there is more but I can't remember...someone else might pipe in." }-

thanks baz :)

a good improvements indeed

[trjam]

-{ Quote: "please more pictures of Kaspersky ver8 ;D ;D" }-
Quit drooling. Some nice Polaroid shots here.

[larryb52]

it does look good...

[Macstorm]

-{ Quote: "doesn't want to install on a system that has been running AVG IS 8:(

After uninstalling AVG and a reboot, Kaspersky's installer says AVG8 is still installed and must first be uninstalled.

It is uninstalled and Windows Security Centre reports no AV running...

Ah well, back to AVG.." }-
For Win XP:
After AVG is uninstalled, I suggest you first: a) delete all files inside Windows 'temp' folder. b) use the 'search' function to find all avg related files/folders and delete them, then empty recycle bin. c) run a regcleaner (i recommend macecraft's regsupreme). d) reboot. e) stop the WindowsManagementInstrumentation service (AdministrativeTools/Services), stop WMI service and accept to stop the other services related to it as well. Close this 'services' window and then delete all stuff inside 'repository' folder: C:\Windows\System32\wbem\repository.
Reboot and try installing Kaspersky again.

[3x0gR13N]

Quite a few pictures were uploaded to: http://malwarecrawler.com/kaspersky/ (by Baz). Isn't this enough? :P
(Don also posted this link on the second page :))

[trjam]

-{ Quote: "Quite a few pictures were uploaded to: http://malwarecrawler.com/kaspersky/ (by Baz). Isn't this enough? :P
(Don also posted this link on the second page :))" }-
Nope.;)
Even though the GUI looks different and maybe a little scary, the reality is, the guts still remained the same as far as setting up. The GUI has the play toys.;)

[Baz_kasp]

Some more alerts for you:

199617
199618
199619

[Baldrick]

trjam

I would disagree slightly with your observation in that the GUI looks "maybe a little scary" in that there has been a lot of debate amongst the beta testers as to what it should look like...and The Lab listened. IMHO the aim was to make functionality accessible withoput making the GUI look too clinical. But offe course that is a matter of taste and no doubt some will love it, some won't care and some will hate it. C'est la vie.

As to "the guts still remained the same as far as setting up" I think that there are some huge differences especially in the area of the HIPS function & rules which are essentially the core...and in all honesty I think will take some getting used to...but this is the important bit...only if the user wants to...as you really do not have to delve under the covers with this version as it is so automatic.

However, in the final analysis IMHO, Kaspersky are on to a winner here and have produced a superb suite...only time will tell if it is destined to be the best of breed.;)

[trjam]

what I am trying to say, just as some high levels at Kas are saying, the current user is going to upgrade and basically say,"Holy Sh#t Batman."

They are going to be a tad overwhelmed. It is not your normal upgrade but more of a new boob job. The point is to ensure that everyone knows that even though changes have happened, if you take a little time, it is a piece of cake.

[Nike_P]

the GUI look's very nice and friendly.
Very beautiful GUI.

[3x0gR13N]

Screenshots of HIPS rules (for those who like to tweak stuff :P):

199620 199621

199622

..sorry for the large images :o

[trjam]

LOL. I hadnt even found those yet.:)

[Nike_P]

so Kaspersky has start to use HIPS, i thought they've just started to add new Heuristic to ver7 AND that they development a better on this new version8, but what happend?

[trjam]

they enhanced the heuristics of 2009 and added HIPS. Now you dont need 10 different products. One does it all. I am still testing and it has held up great to regular,zero day and others yet to be mentioned, malware. I am still waiting on 2 samples from China. Nothing has gotten by it. Oh and some pretty nasty rootkits.

[Macstorm]

One complete package at last :thumb:

[mata7]

-{ Quote: "Here: http://dnl-eu2.kaspersky-labs.com/devbuilds/TR/" }-

thank you very much man

[Macstorm]

-{ Quote: "thank you very much man" }-
You're welcome, mata7.
Btw, the guy in your avatar needs a slim-fast's diet urgently ;D

[boesdad]

Does anyone know how to set the firewall to be stealthed.

Ran shieldsup with default settings and it reported that
the ports were either stealthed or closed. (most reported
as being closed)

Thanks

[osip]

-{ Quote: "Does anyone know how to set the firewall to be stealthed.

Ran shieldsup with default settings and it reported that
the ports were either stealthed or closed. (most reported
as being closed)

Thanks" }-
in firewall/settings/network packages:
any incoming TCP streams blocked
any incoming UDP streams blocked

This made it for me...

[Xenophobe]

Here's the update tab:

199626

[Sjoeii]

-{ Quote: "Here's the update tab:

199626" }-
This one of the parts I really like

[Graystoke]

I'm having problems with the KIS v. 8 firewall. Can't get it to stealth all ports. Is there some extra special tweaking that needs to be done? With KIS 7, all ports were stealth at the default firewall settings.

[zfactor]

this is by far imo the best suite now i have ever used. i used to want to back to avira.. not anymore. glad everyone likes this i know i do. runs LIGHT as a feather.. and super fast

[osip]

Graystoke:
see post 149

[zfactor]

just curious does anyone use the anti banner feature?? on version 7 i had to disable it due to a lot of web sites not loading because of it and im wondering if anyone has seen any issues with this new version and the anti banner??

[Sjoeii]

-{ Quote: "just curious does anyone use the anti banner feature?? on version 7 i had to disable it due to a lot of web sites not loading because of it and im wondering if anyone has seen any issues with this new version and the anti banner??" }-
I have it enabled.
I never had a problem with it either

[zfactor]

thnaks i love this new version!!!!!!!

[Sjoeii]

You're welcome

[Edwin024]

I must say that I think too that Kaspersky have done a great job at this new TR version. Maybe a bit more of tweaking and this is one of the absolute best suites on the market at the moment.

No bloat like backup software or defragmenters but real security stuff instead. KIS 2009 will be hard to beat.

[boesdad]

-{ Quote: "in firewall/settings/network packages:
any incoming TCP streams blocked
any incoming UDP streams blocked

This made it for me..." }-

Thank you for the reply. I changed both of them from application rule
to block, ran shields up and now everything is stealthed.

Thanks again

[Sjoeii]

-{ Quote: "Thank you for the reply. I changed both of them from application rule
to block, ran shields up and now everything is stealthed.

Thanks again" }-
Good to hear. It almost starts to sound like a Kaspersky forum ;)

[Unity]

9 pages for a beta , can't wait for the release ;D

At least the feedback looks promising for the final release.

[rainbow1112]

Nice GUI 8) 8) but kaspersky is a bit exp in my country (Singapore) $80+ whereas Norton Mcafee Bitdefender u can get for $60-70

[Baldrick]

-{ Quote: "I may sound paranoid but I was just so pissed when I asked Kaspersky to refund my money but was rudely rejected, because I found the iswift/ichecker issue and uninstalled KAV/KIS off all my computers. I now have 2 retail boxes of KAV6, and 3 boxes of KIS 6/7 laying in my closet and I had to purchase antivir....
I think the fact that they put crap on your hard drive, permanently, without noticing you in the first place, is at least immoral. I feel sorry for them." }-
I think that if yo reserach carefully you will find that the Lab has ditched the MS approach to this and developed their own approach/technology for the iSwift/iChecker components and therefore that the issues surrounding the MS approach are long gone!;)

[oliverjia]

Well, if the chkdsk issue is what you mean, then probably yes, it's gone in this version per their advertizing. However, it still write stuff to your hard drive, permanently, without notifying you first. You can test the results by right click a partition driver letter (NOT any sepcified folders), check the "occupied space" before and after you perform a manual scan. You will see the increase of partition occupied space after the scan, but the files/folders in that partition are still the same size. Then where does the increased occupied space from? Simple, KAV/KIS still write "marks and labels" of files onto your hard drive. Maybe you will not experience problems for now because kapsersky claimed they optimized the software to "GET AROUND" the chkdsk issue, but how the hell do you know it will not introduce any other problems later? I just don't like the way they do this-CRAP your hard drive first without even letting you know. To me this is immoral.
IMHO, an antivirus program is just a freaking antivirus program, it should not modify your drive structure in any way, other than just preventing/getting rid of virus. I consider the ichecker/iswift behavior the same as a virus/trojan's behavior.


-{ Quote: "I think that if yo reserach carefully you will find that the Lab has ditched the MS approach to this and developed their own approach/technology for the iSwift/iChecker components and therefore that the issues surrounding the MS approach are long gone!;)" }-

[3x0gR13N]

oliverjia,
please read my post (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1233201&postcount=122) again. :)

[Baldrick]

As I think Baz said earlier in this thread that one is entitled to ones opinion...and you are, as I and mine.

I would leave yo with just one thought...what are other programs installed on a computer doing to that computer. Programs constantly write data, etc. to hard drive, some of which by its nature will not be declared. If it was we would spend our time responding to or reading such declarations. IHMO, it basically comes down to a matter of trust. Who ro what you trust and who/what you don't.

Personally I trust the Kaspersky Lab to protect me with their software offerings...they have for a number of years and as such will continune to enjoy me support (personal view here) based on their track record in my experience.

Hopefully, you use or have found, or will do in the future, some security software that does it the way that you want it to.;D

[larryb52]

I think if Kaspersky is using the same technology than they chged nothing... all they did was find away around the chkdsk issue & I agree you have to wonder what else will be found. Call me skeptical but they knew about the chkdsk issue going forward in v6 & said & did nothing through v7 till it came to light. Sorry I don't care how good detection is the end result might be you HD going south, sure I'm speculating but no one can say with 100% confidence that the 2009 will not have issues of this kind. If they were smart they would of removed the Ichecker & Iswift technology instead they just chg the label call it 2009 instead of v9 & pretty up the GUI when it was already pretty functional... No matter how much lipstick you put on a pig , it's still a pig, Just my 2 cents...

[plantextract]

ichecker does nothing, it doesn't tag anything, it just creates a file with checksums of a file, then recalculates & compares them, it was there since...even version 4 or 4.5 if i recall.
plus, if they would have renemaed iswift to isomething just for marketing sakes (you wouldn't have known it's a changed iswift, but you wouldn't see issues), would you have felt better?

[larryb52]

no not really perhaps Kaspersky needs to do a better marketing scheme before going forward with this. I recommended this to a small company I do side work for. They had major issues with it therefore I looked stupid on the recomendation, so I'm a little burned on this issue & just leary. Personally I just had to reformat my machines to clear the crap up. Maybe Kaspersky needs to offer 6 mths of free service for those with issue but their image is tarnished & needs work IMHO. Remember you get one shot at a 1st impression after that it take a lot of work. They need to do more than say sorry here's v2009...

[oliverjia]

Thanks... I read your post and think I understand what you mean...
However, I don't think it's a case of temp files/unzip engine problem. If you read my post carefully, you will know what I mean.
If you select all the files/folders on that partition, the file size and # of files/folders did NOT change. The only chaged thing is the "occupied space" on that partition. Which means, there is no any temp files prduced by KAV/KIS left on the drive.
Hope I made myself clear.

-{ Quote: "oliverjia,
please read my post (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1233201&postcount=122) again. :)" }-

[oliverjia]

I strongly agree with you Larry.
the reputation and credit of Kaspersky labs were ruined through the drama of how iswift/ichecker was found to be problematic and the way kaspersky has been responding. Truly a shame for kaspersky.
If a company decides to put crap on your hard drive permanently without letting you know so that they can "improve" the scanning speed of their product, that was truly not the way their customers should be treated. Kaspersky sacrified their customers computer hard drive in order for their product to scanning "fast". And they did not let you know they've taken advantage of your hard drive. What a good company. I will stay away from Kaspersky.

-{ Quote: "no not really perhaps Kaspersky needs to do a better marketing scheme before going forward with this. I recommended this to a small company I do side work for. They had major issues with it therefore I looked stupid on the recomendation, so I'm a little burned on this issue & just leary. Personally I just had to reformat my machines to clear the crap up. Maybe Kaspersky needs to offer 6 mths of free service for those with issue but their image is tarnished & needs work IMHO. Remember you get one shot at a 1st impression after that it take a lot of work. They need to do more than say sorry here's v2009..." }-

[plantextract]

it was tested, it works, the project manager said they fixed it. other issues sohlud not occur, someone would have noticed it.
things may go wrong either way with or without iswift, simply put: drivers. it may bsod on 1% of configurations.
so what, remove drivers? you can't do anything in terms of real time protection without drivers, no low level interception, no proactive defense, it will be useless AV.. but it probably won't cause a bsod.
Instead why not fix problems for those 1%, of course this is actually harder then just dropping everything.

[oliverjia]

Really?
then how could you explain the increased "occupied space" on my data partition after the scan by KAV/KIS, but the number of files/folders and file/folders size did not chage?



-{ Quote: "ichecker does nothing, it doesn't tag anything, it just creates a file with checksums of a file, then recalculates & compares them, it was there since...even version 4 or 4.5 if i recall.
plus, if they would have renemaed iswift to isomething just for marketing sakes (you wouldn't have known it's a changed iswift, but you wouldn't see issues), would you have felt better?" }-

[Macstorm]

-{ Quote: "the reputation and credit of Kaspersky labs were ruined through the drama of how iswift/ichecker was found to be problematic and the way kaspersky has been responding. Truly a shame for kaspersky.
If a company decides to put crap on your hard drive permanently without letting you know so that they can "improve" the scanning speed of their product, that was truly not the way their customers should be treated. Kaspersky sacrified their customers computer hard drive in order for their product to scanning "fast". And they did not let you know they've taken advantage of your hard drive. What a good company. I will stay away from Kaspersky." }-
Geez. Another serious 'Mele20' case :wacko:

What's the problem? If you don't believe/trust on Kaspersky technology then move on and shut up.
Bye, we'll miss you :'(

[oliverjia]

I got your point. Please enjoy KAV/KIS.

My point is, if KAV/KIS decided to put crap on people's hard drive, they should have warned people at the time when the product being installed, so that people can choose if they want to continue to install. Customers have the rights to know this since they paid for the product.


-{ Quote: "it was tested, it works, the project manager said they fixed it. other issues sohlud not occur, someone would have noticed it.
things may go wrong either way with or without iswift, simply put: drivers. it may bsod on 1% of configurations.
so what, remove drivers? you can't do anything in terms of real time protection without drivers, no low level interception, no proactive defense, it will be useless AV.. but it probably won't cause a bsod.
Instead why not fix problems for those 1%, of course this is actually harder then just dropping everything." }-

[oliverjia]

Why don't you shut up? This forum is not only for you to show your opinion and this forum is not your private place.
Why don't you get out of here?
I just want to let people know what KAV/KIS did to their hard drive so that they can make their choice. I did NOT ask you to ditch your favorite kav. Who do you think you are to make people not having the rights to know more about the program?

-{ Quote: "Geez. Another serious 'Mele20' case :wacko:

What's the problem? If you don't believe/trust on Kaspersky technology then move on and shut up.
Bye, we'll miss you :'(" }-

[Macstorm]

-{ Quote: "Why don't you shut up? This forum is not only for you to show your opinion and this forum is not your private place.
Why don't you get out of here?" }-
Sorry I love wilders.
Btw, i don't believe a word of what you're saying :thumbd:

Enjoy your stay here ::)

[plantextract]

-{ Quote: "My point is, if KAV/KIS decided to put crap on people's hard drive, they should have warned people at the time when the product being installed, so that people can choose if they want to continue to install. Customers have the rights to know this since they paid for the product." }-
and say what. we are going to create object ids, but you know what... you might already have them.
object identifiers are a "natural" component of the NTFS "ecosystem"

-{ Quote: "Geez. Another serious 'Mele20' case

What's the problem? If you don't believe/trust on Kaspersky technology then move on and shut up.
Bye, we'll miss you" }-
wow... btw, why didn't someone already close this topic....

[oliverjia]

I don't care if YOU believe my word or not. I am just telling a fact.
If you don't believe in a fact, then please don't respond to my post.
:thumbd:
-{ Quote: "Sorry I love wilders.
Btw, i don't believe a word of what you're saying :thumbd:

Enjoy your stay here ::)" }-

[lodore]

this topic is to celebrate Kav and kis2009 getting the TR status its not here to make up rubbbish about kaspersky.

[Baldrick]

I agree with lodore...the point is made (and several times over). We will never all agree. Can we please move on or close down this thread as it is starting to be pointless. More words will not convince anyone either way!:-X

[Jadda]

I haven't tested it yet, but I really hope they have fixed the surfing hang. It was really annoying when a webpage hanged for some seconds, EVERY time you wanted to go to a site. That made me ditch Kaspersky.

But I'll give it a new chance since this is a new version.

[oliverjia]

Make up rubbish?
clean your mouth before you talk. If you are so blind that can not see a fact, then don't show you ignorance by attacking other people.

-{ Quote: "this topic is to celebrate Kav and kis2009 getting the TR status its not here to make up rubbbish about kaspersky." }-

[lodore]

-{ Quote: "Make up rubbish?
clean your mouth before you talk. If you are so blind that can not see a fact, then don't show you ignorance by attacking other people." }-
i was trying to be nice.
i am trying to stop the thread from going off topic.

[Sjoeii]

Come on Guys.
Let's stay on topic and stop shouting at eachother !!!

[JasSolo]

-{ Quote: "I haven't tested it yet, but I really hope they have fixed the surfing hang. It was really annoying when a webpage hanged for some seconds, EVERY time you wanted to go to a site. That made me ditch Kaspersky.

But I'll give it a new chance since this is a new version." }-

It's been fixed all right, at least on my comp it doesen't hang anymore :thumb: , in fact, it's lightening fast at loading sites :thumb:. Talking about fastness, the scanning speed is awesome, for a Russian AV ;D
My problem is the GUI. Please bring it back to something like V.6. It's IMHO the best GUI ever for ANY AV.
Still testing :)


Cheers

[larryb52]

it is on topic, Kaspersky & the release of 2009. It's important to discuss issues that causes a company to release IMO quickly a new version less than a year after a major release (v7) & the issue of chkdsk that since that release had caused some issues. How the company goes about the handling of those issues has everything to do with the new version IMHO...

[plantextract]

it's not the chkdsk issue, it's just that you have to develop inovative things to provide best protection. or do you think that hips and the new engine were developed "on the side" and the main cause was the chkdsk thing?

as for issues, what's the chkdsk issue in 2009, is it still there?

[Jin K]

I have test the heruistic = light scan :)

on a new sample of backdoor.poison

and this is the result

http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=35127616jx8.png

but the bad news :(

is that kaspersky when it scan the file 8kb he detect it again and again ....... and stuck at 99%

and when i click delete it take a long time then its poped up and deleted but i don’t see the backup file ??

and another problems when i browse ie7 its a little slow

i wish that these problems will be fix in the next release .

[3x0gR13N]

-{ Quote: "Make up rubbish?
clean your mouth before you talk. If you are so blind that can not see a fact, then don't show you ignorance by attacking other people." }-
[going off]
oliverjia,
tbh, you'll need some expert/forensic-type of tools to prove your point. For example, I'm not seeing the same behavior as you are, used space does increase but so do the number of files and their size, which is completely normal as explained in my previous post (every application produces this kind of behavior). Heck, it could be just Windows showing wrong info or some other running application causing that. :-\ I completely understand you, your trust in Kaspersky has been crippled, but don't force your "facts" and experience into other peoples heads. You have said what you have, I (we) haven't been convinced based upon mine (our) experience and tests, so there is not much you can do really. Call me "blind to the truth" but I (and many others) don't see any malicious behavior in technologies like iSwift (or iChecker)- they are both well documented and explained on the Technical support site, and additionally many users don't give a cookie to know what ObjectIDs are or how iSwift/iChecker works, nor should they be scarred by some random guy on the net saying how those technologies will "alter your computer forever" (quite an exaggeration ::) ). This is not an attack in any manner, and with this post I'll end my reply's to you (or anyone following your path) because, and you'll agree, more posts will not convince anyone either way ;)
[/off]

JasSolo,
the GUI can be replaced by a preferred skin uploaded/posted on Kaspersky club, as with v7. :) But I do find the GUI not so flexible as with v7 (compare the v8 GUI from KAV and KIS :P).

[larryb52]

-{ Quote: "
as for issues, what's the chkdsk issue in 2009, is it still there?" }-

yes that the point is it or isn't it & what else did they side step to get quickly to 2009, I had purchased v7 in November now 2009 is available?, it's May 2008 you have to admit that's fast...also the chg of how they designate their software v5,v6,v7 now they side step & do 2009v...& the interface that worked so well in v6 & v7 is chged. Misdirection, they dress it up call it something else, I'm still suspious of other irregularities, Once bitten twice shy...

[lucas1985]

The whole iSwift issue could be stopped with a simple checkbox in the GUI (enable/disable iSwift)

[3x0gR13N]

-{ Quote: "The whole iSwift issue could be stopped with a simple checkbox in the GUI (enable/disable iSwift)" }-
There is that option, for both real-time and on-demand scans. :)

199633 199634

[Macstorm]

-{ Quote: "It's been fixed all right, at least on my comp it doesen't hang anymore :thumb: , in fact, it's lightening fast at loading sites :thumb:. Talking about fastness, the scanning speed is awesome, for a Russian AV ;D " }-
Hi Jas,
You are right, this new v.8 is a complete breeze regarding to performance.
I had to leave my beloved GData.. for a while?..who knows ;)

This 'Technical Release' was too tempting to resist ;D

[larryb52]

that's nice but I'm still suspect. Look this is a forum about security issues & programs that help protect our computers from people who would infect said computers with programs to steal info, delete files or what have you. When one of those companies takes you money sells you a program & the program that is suppose to protect it does something to your computer that just isn't right there needs to be more explaination than a new version that is renamed & given a fresh coat of paint. FWIW while anyone here maybe able to shutdown the iswift & I checker technology, the average joe does not nor will not look, sorry just my opinion...

[lucas1985]

Thanks. With previous versions, you had to edit the registry to disable these technologies.
So people. stop complaining.

What does "Deep Scan" (the checkbox below "Rootkit scan") do?

[JasSolo]

-{ Quote: "With previous versions, you had to edit the registry to disable these technologies." }-

Wrong. Same same with v.7 ;D


Cheers

[plantextract]

-{ Quote: "What does "Deep Scan" (the checkbox below "Rootkit scan") do?" }-
doubles scan time

Rootkit scan. Rootkits are sets of tools that can hide malicious programs in your operating system. These utilities are injected into the system, hiding their presence and the presence of processes, folders, and registry keys of other malicious programs described in the configuration of the rootkit. If you are scanning for viruses, you can set up in-depth scanning for rootkits by selecting Deep scan. If you do so, the scan will carefully search for these programs by analyzing a large number of various objects. These checkboxes are deselected by default, since this mode requires significant operating system resources.

from the help

[3x0gR13N]

-{ Quote: "Wrong. Same same with v.7 ;D


Cheers" }-
Partially true :P
AFAIK, to disable iSwift/iChecker in real-time scans in v7 you had to change the setting via registry (opposed to v8, where you can do it from the GUI as shown above), but for on-demand scans you could do it from the GUI. :)

[oliverjia]

Yeah, you may be able to uncheck the box, but KAV and KIS still add objectID to all your files in V7. I did not test if the unckeck actually works under v8.

-{ Quote: "Wrong. Same same with v.7 ;D


Cheers" }-

[Baldrick]

-{ Quote: "that's nice but I'm still suspect. Look this is a forum about security issues & programs that help protect our computers from people who would infect said computers with programs to steal info, delete files or what have you. When one of those companies takes you money sells you a program & the program that is suppose to protect it does something to your computer that just isn't right there needs to be more explaination than a new version that is renamed & given a fresh coat of paint. FWIW while anyone here maybe able to shutdown the iswift & I checker technology, the average joe does not nor will not look, sorry just my opinion..." }-
So on that basis you should not be using Windows...as God knows what goes on under the covers there. Some of us trust Kaspersky Labs based on its track record and personal experience with it (I myself have been using it for 3-4 years) after moving from ZoneAlarm Security Suite...and from NIS before that.

[larryb52]

OS is really not a choice as much as security software but nice try & I do the same with Kaspersky crashed like a brick on v5 & I had to reformat to fix issues, v6 was on my wifes as was 7 than I had to reformat to fix that. Geeze my experience is 3 versions & 2 reformats not a good track record unless your fond of redoing all your personal settings & my wifes computer is a business computer for an attorney firm. Their IS dept was none too happy to have to reset programs up that she uses...that's my experience...

[Baz_kasp]

Have run every single beta build of KIS since V7 MP1-V8 release on my laptop and it still runs like the day it was bought...

Thats my experience ;D

[dawgg]

-{ Quote: "OS is really not a choice as much as security software but nice try & I do the same with Kaspersky crashed like a brick on v5 & I had to reformat to fix issues, v6 was on my wifes as was 7 than I had to reformat to fix that. Geeze my experience is 3 versions & 2 reformats not a good track record unless your fond of redoing all your personal settings & my wifes computer is a business computer for an attorney firm. Their IS dept was none too happy to have to reset programs up that she uses...that's my experience..." }-
wow! you're extremly unlucky!
I installed and scanned with over 50 (maybe even 100) official and beta versions of KIS v6 and 7 on my laptop and PC and have had no problems with any.
My friends who have KIS also have not reported problems.

I'm not saying that your problems are not from Kaspersky because I don't know, it may be; I'm just that you have to admit, the problems you have do seem like extremely isolated cases and an extremely rare problem. Out of the many hundreds of thousands (or millions) of users using Kaspersky, so few users are reporting a problem.
... and some of the users reporting the problem just read other threads about people complaining about Kaspersky and also think they have a problem, although their issue is often totally unrelated or is caused by something else... a tool which will act like Placebo should fix the problem for many users who are afraid of this.

[Baldrick]

-{ Quote: "OS is really not a choice as much as security software but nice try & I do the same with Kaspersky crashed like a brick on v5 & I had to reformat to fix issues, v6 was on my wifes as was 7 than I had to reformat to fix that. Geeze my experience is 3 versions & 2 reformats not a good track record unless your fond of redoing all your personal settings & my wifes computer is a business computer for an attorney firm. Their IS dept was none too happy to have to reset programs up that she uses...that's my experience..." }-
Yup...well all I can say that you have been unlucky as I have never had a BSOD or crash caused by Kaspersky by KIS since I have started using it, and that includes having taken part in the KIS 6, KIS 7 & KIS 8 beta prgrammes as a tester. I suppose that KIS just works on my rig and does not on yours...then again every time I try McAfee products they cause me problems and hence I steer clear of them. The morale is use what works best for you...and hopefully others will try and decide for themselves.;D

[rookieman]

I'd like to give this a go later.Any suggestions on how to get rid of Comodo's latest firewall?I know I shouldn't have post that here??Any suggestions please.:'(

[trjam]

And the band played on. People can piss, moan, groan all they want but the truth is, if it aint Kaspersky, it is dog poop. Hey Hi Tech, 2 days straight and I still love the damn thing. Larry, Larry,Larry, please dont become another Mahi Mahi.;)

[dawgg]

-{ Quote: "I'd like to give this a go later.Any suggestions on how to get rid of Comodo's latest firewall?I know I shouldn't have post that here??Any suggestions please.:'(" }-
Whats wrong with the good old add/remove?... or Comodo's uninstall exe?... (sorry for my ignorance if they don't exist, I haven't used it before!)

[DonKid]

I said in my first post in this thread that there isn´t any kind of problem with chkdsk since the first alpha version of version 8.
For those that want to know more, please read here:

http://support.kaspersky.com/faq/?qid=208279501

[Macstorm]

-{ Quote: "I suppose that KIS just works on my rig and does not on yours...then again every time I try McAfee products they cause me problems and hence I steer clear of them. The morale is use what works best for you...and hopefully others will try and decide for themselves.;D" }-
Well said, Baldrick :thumb:

[larryb52]

-{ Quote: "And the band played on. People can piss, moan, groan all they want but the truth is, if it aint Kaspersky, it is dog poop. Hey Hi Tech, 2 days straight and I still love the damn thing. Larry, Larry,Larry, please dont become another Mahi Mahi.;)" }-


I have no idea who that is but I'm not that, I'd like to believe but I'll wait...I'm glad you like it, how long did the initial scan take?

[zfactor]

nice looks like kis 2009 is pulling people away from even the most loved av's around here.. this release IS REALLY that GOOD!!!! i will not be looking back to avira as i said many times i would.. glad to see many others using it as well..

i have 0 chkdsk issues at all... and i feel comfortable with what they are saying..

[trjam]

Larry it was a joke my friend. Intial scan? Faster then Aviras.;)

[031]

-{ Quote: "Larry it was a joke my friend. Intial scan? Faster then Aviras.;)" }-
Kaspersky faster than avira !
maybe you are joking again ..........

[BlueZannetti]

Just a few comments with respect to KAV/Object ID's/iSwift/chkdsk.... They probably don't need to push the purchase of a license from the first day of the trial. I'd say the last two weeks would be a decent time to start down the path to close the sale.
I've used KL products - among others - for a number of years. The current suite looks to be an extremely strong product worth consideration by any user from novice to advanced. For the average user, a default installation and go seems to be nearly perfect. I did notice a relatively slow boot for a short period following installation, but this quickly evolved to a quick start (apparently after some initial housekeeping). If you're multitasking on a slower machine (I used a 2.8 GHz P4/1 GB RAM) some annoying short delays/stalls were evident - an example would be performing a task during the initial launch of an executable - some of this would subside with time and probably with some fine tuning on the configuration.
I've noted it previously, but it's probably worth mentioning again, from the perspective of pure logic, if the chkdsk problem were a generic issue, there would be a growing groundswell of occurrences over time. This is not observed. To me, the inevitable conclusion is that whatever issue exists is not generic in nature. That doesn't mean that reported problems are not real, it simply implies that infrequently seen specific events, sets of events, or preexisting states are necessary for problems to emerge.
iSwift uses file object identifiers. Note - deselecting the iSwift option really doesn't seem to prevent their creation (I guess unchecking means that they are created but not used....). I have noticed a much more considered approach to their creation. Keep in mind that I base my comments on the KL product I use - KAV WKS 6.0 vs. KIS 2009 TR. In the 6.0 version, any file access or system scan resulted in creation of file object identifiers. Do a system scan and basically every file would have them. At least in my quick examination, a non-KAV file open seems required for creation of a file object identifier. Simply scanning the file does not yield creation of object identifiers. Further, if the file is tracked by other means (say an executable), an object identifier is not created. Opening a file not accounted by other means (e.g. a text file), will yield creation of a file object identifier In other words, the creation of these objects now appears rather spartan, which would be more in line with MS recommendations.
That's it - just a few comments. The main punchline - I'd recommend KAV/KIS 2009 without reservations to anyone on the market for an AV or suite.

Blue

[DonKid]

-{ Quote: "Just a few comments with respect to KAV/Object ID's/iSwift/chkdsk.... They probably don't need to push the purchase of a license from the first day of the trial. I'd say the last two weeks would be a decent time to start down the path to close the sale.
I've used KL products - among others - for a number of years. The current suite looks to be an extremely strong product worth consideration by any user from novice to advanced. For the average user, a default installation and go seems to be nearly perfect. I did notice a relatively slow boot for a short period following installation, but this quickly evolved to a quick start (apparently after some initial housekeeping). If you're multitasking on a slower machine (I used a 2.8 GHz P4/1 GB RAM) some annoying short delays/stalls were evident - an example would be performing a task during the initial launch of an executable - some of this would subside with time and probably with some fine tuning on the configuration.
I've noted it previously, but it's probably worth mentioning again, from the perspective of pure logic, if the chkdsk problem were a generic issue, there would be a growing groundswell of occurrences over time. This is not observed. To me, the inevitable conclusion is that whatever issue exists is not generic in nature. That doesn't mean that reported problems are not real, it simply implies that infrequently seen specific events, sets of events, or preexisting states are necessary for problems to emerge.
iSwift uses file object identifiers. Note - deselecting the iSwift option really doesn't seem to prevent their creation (I guess unchecking means that they are created but not used....). I have noticed a much more considered approach to their creation. Keep in mind that I base my comments on the KL product I use - KAV WKS 6.0 vs. KIS 2009 TR. In the 6.0 version, any file access or system scan resulted in creation of file object identifiers. Do a system scan and basically every file would have them. At least in my quick examination, a non-KAV file open seems required for creation of a file object identifier. Simply scanning the file does not yield creation of object identifiers. Further, if the file is tracked by other means (say an executable), an object identifier is not created. Opening a file not accounted by other means (e.g. a text file), will yield creation of a file object identifier In other words, the creation of these objects now appears rather spartan, which would be more in line with MS recommendations.
That's it - just a few comments. The main punchline - I'd recommend KAV/KIS 2009 without reservations to anyone on the market for an AV or suite.

Blue" }-
Hi Blue.

Thanks for your opinion.
Stop by again at KL forum.

Kind Regards.

[JasSolo]

-{ Quote: "...Intial scan? Faster then Aviras.;)" }-

Jeff, are you sure about that? You're not just being carried away by your new playmate? ;D My experience is that KIS/KAV 2009 is VERY fast, compared to old versions, but not as fast as NOD32. And since Avira is faster than NOD32.....well, that's how it is on my rig.:)


Cheers

[Edwin024]

for what it's worth: I did a chkdsk on my drives in Vista Ultimate 64 and they performed fine. No problem at all.

[Edwin024]

It did a first full scan of my drives in less than 20 minutes. I thought it was about 17. Pretty fast in my opinion. The startup of Vista is also totally done in less than a minute. ESET SS did it in 1.05 and Avira in little under one minute too. And I do think that KIS gives more than Avira Premium Security or ESS.

For the info: I have bought licenses for all three proggies.

[TJP]

-{ Quote: "for what it's worth: I did a chkdsk on my drives in Vista Ultimate 64 and they performed fine. No problem at all." }-

Good to read yourself & a couple of other posters have zero chkdsk issues.

FWIW, I agree with BlueZannetti that the chkdsk issue was blown up way out of proportion. But, as is often quoted, ymmv :)

Cheers.

[trjam]

anyone that knows me, will tell you I am a honest man. Bit quirky but honest.

With Avira setttings all checked and the same for Kaspersky 2009, scanning time was quicker, not by much but Kaspersky was quicker. Of course I then set to scan new and changed files and this whole issue is moot. Good post Blue, I thought you would lke this suite. There is nothing else that can be said. Well maybe not to forget this special deal while it lasts. Kaspersky 2009 (http://www.kaspersky.com/switch) ;)

[zfactor]

yes this is from my experience with it faster than avira on initial scanning as well as scans later also...

[3x0gR13N]

-{ Quote: "
<snip>
I did notice a relatively slow boot for a short period following installation, but this quickly evolved to a quick start (apparently after some initial housekeeping).
<snip>
" }-
Hi BlueZannetti,
I just wanted to point out the possible reason and explanation for that slow start-up. :) Take a look here, under "Restart computer" check-box:
199638

[egghead]

-{ Quote: " kis 2009 is pulling people away from even the most loved av's around here.. " }-

Contrary. I gravitate more and more to the Doctor ;)

I'm running Kaspersky for >5 years now and I think highly of the program and the company, but for for my taste it's getting more bloated with every new version. I'm not sure when time comes I'm going to renew my license.

I want a lean and mean machine :o and I have found it. ;D

[BlueZannetti]

-{ Quote: "Hi BlueZannetti,
I just wanted to point out the possible reason and explanation for that slow start-up. :) Take a look here, under "Restart computer" check-box:" }-Thanks for the confirmation. Missed that screen detail on the install (juggling too many things I guess).

Blue

[djohn]

-{ Quote: "You're welcome, mata7.
Btw, the guy in your avatar needs a slim-fast's diet urgently ;D" }-
How do you know the guy in the picture,Is not him:o >:(

[Jadda]

To tell the truth, because it's really me. :(

Back on topic: I've tried Kaspersky 8 now. Very light and the webpage hang is gone - as stated before. Finally I can use Kaspersky without getting crazy. They have absolutly done a great job, congrats!

[rookieman]

I mentioned this to my buddy who is running just the antivirus(Kav v7.125).Is anyone here running this with the new version?

[dawgg]

-{ Quote: "I mentioned this to my buddy who is running just the antivirus(Kav v7.125).Is anyone here running this with the new version?" }-
Running v7 with v8?... don't even think about it!

1) You should NEVER run more than 1 AV on the computer at a time because it will cause instablilty, crashed, BSODs etc
This problem will especially happen if you are running two different versions of the same AV... the drivers will most likely clash and crash

2) Kaspersky v8 will not install if you have v7 installed (it checks for other AVs and older versions of Kaspersky. If you have them, you will be told to remove them or it will be removed).


If your friend wants to try out v8, uninstall v7 and restart your computer prior to attempting to install v8.
Thats the only way it will work.

[larryb52]

-{ Quote: "Just a few comments with respect to KAV/Object ID's/iSwift/chkdsk.... They probably don't need to push the purchase of a license from the first day of the trial. I'd say the last two weeks would be a decent time to start down the path to close the sale.
I've used KL products - among others - for a number of years. The current suite looks to be an extremely strong product worth consideration by any user from novice to advanced. For the average user, a default installation and go seems to be nearly perfect. I did notice a relatively slow boot for a short period following installation, but this quickly evolved to a quick start (apparently after some initial housekeeping). If you're multitasking on a slower machine (I used a 2.8 GHz P4/1 GB RAM) some annoying short delays/stalls were evident - an example would be performing a task during the initial launch of an executable - some of this would subside with time and probably with some fine tuning on the configuration.
I've noted it previously, but it's probably worth mentioning again, from the perspective of pure logic, if the chkdsk problem were a generic issue, there would be a growing groundswell of occurrences over time. This is not observed. To me, the inevitable conclusion is that whatever issue exists is not generic in nature. That doesn't mean that reported problems are not real, it simply implies that infrequently seen specific events, sets of events, or preexisting states are necessary for problems to emerge.
iSwift uses file object identifiers. Note - deselecting the iSwift option really doesn't seem to prevent their creation (I guess unchecking means that they are created but not used....). I have noticed a much more considered approach to their creation. Keep in mind that I base my comments on the KL product I use - KAV WKS 6.0 vs. KIS 2009 TR. In the 6.0 version, any file access or system scan resulted in creation of file object identifiers. Do a system scan and basically every file would have them. At least in my quick examination, a non-KAV file open seems required for creation of a file object identifier. Simply scanning the file does not yield creation of object identifiers. Further, if the file is tracked by other means (say an executable), an object identifier is not created. Opening a file not accounted by other means (e.g. a text file), will yield creation of a file object identifier In other words, the creation of these objects now appears rather spartan, which would be more in line with MS recommendations.
That's it - just a few comments. The main punchline - I'd recommend KAV/KIS 2009 without reservations to anyone on the market for an AV or suite.

Blue" }-


good enough for me thanks for the insight...

[rookieman]

This was what he was planning on.I was looking for opinions on KAV v8 to see how it was running.The suite is great here on Vista.:D

[djohn]

I trialed the 7 though it was pretty light other then slow as malases on demand scans,you guys are saying that this version is even lighter with faster scan speed know?I guess when I am done playing with avg 8 which will to be soon since its getting slower by the minute,I give it a try.

[Baz_kasp]

The first user made skins for Kaspersky 2009 are starting to come through:


IMO this one is more pleasant on the eyes if you are using XP :)

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Can pick them up here if you are interested:

http://forum.kasperskyclub.com/blog/pipkin/index.php?cat=43
http://forum.kasperskyclub.com/blog/pipkin/index.php?cat=39

[Blackcat]

-{ Quote: "Contrary. I gravitate more and more to the Doctor ;)

I'm running Kaspersky for >5 years now and I think highly of the program and the company, but for for my taste it's getting more bloated with every new version. I'm not sure when time comes I'm going to renew my license.

I want a lean and mean machine :o and I have found it. ;D" }-
But you only have to install what modules you need.

I only have "Anti-Malware" running so the Guard is therefore as light as a feather in real-time; as light as SpIDerGuard on this machine.

But the real clincher between DW and KAV for me is the on-demand scanner speed; using the setting "Scan only new and changed files" took just over a minute for 26 GB of data.

[Edwin024]

I find that the original skin looks better than these two, but thanks anyway.

[egghead]

-{ Quote: "But you only have to install what modules you need.
I only have "Anti-Malware" running so the Guard is therefore as light as a feather in real-time; as light as SpIDerGuard on this machine. " }-

I don't buy a program and only use 1 module of it.


-{ Quote: "But the real clincher between DW and KAV for me is the on-demand scanner speed; using the setting "Scan only new and changed files" took just over a minute for 26 GB of data." }-

Impressive, but I (like most other people) do a scan once a week, so I don't care if this takes 45 minutes (scan time this morning for my XP partition). Btw The Doctor found 1 false positive (the first one in 2 months). I have reported this and within 30 minutes this has been corrected.

More important for me is that the Doctor is so "light" I don't even notice it is running. It gives great protection and does not have bells and whistles I don't use.

[Edwin024]

KIS2009 may have many bells and whistles, on my PC I don't notice that it works too. And it does :)

[acr1965]

Does this version add the object ID's? If can a person opt out of having the object ID's added?

[waters]

Where can i download the latest release

[lodore]

i need someone to test something for me please.
can someone download crysis demo installer,divx installer and some other installers and place them in one folder and scan it.
http://www.crysisdemo.com/
http://www.divx.com/
while scanning can you monitor cpu usage and memory usage.
it would help if you can run programs while you do this scan to see if it slows you down to a crawl or not.

when i do a scan with kis2009 and it gets to scanning my installer files such as the one i want people to test my memory usage is around 94percent of 2gb and my computer slows to crawl. i want to know if its a bug with the KL 2009 engine with scanning large archive files or if its a conflict on my pc.
thanks in advance to the peoeple who are willing to test.
lodore

[3x0gR13N]

lodore,
if you look in the bugthread you can see that lots of people are experiencing the same (me included). Seems that KIS starts to unpack the large files directly into the memory instead of to the HD (thus huge mem usage from avp.exe), and until some point it starts to unpack to the HD (without decreasing mem usage). I have PMd on of the devs few days ago (on 30th April IIRC) with all the necessary details and traces. We'll see what happens. :) So, no... no conflict there...
Oh, and highest settings were used, as always. :)

[Don Pelotas]

-{ Quote: "Where can i download the latest release" }-
Here (http://dnl-eu2.kaspersky-labs.com/devbuilds/TR/) and if you need it ....the updated for version 2009 removaltool:http://support.kaspersky.com/faq/?qid=208279752

Enjoy. :)

[lodore]

-{ Quote: "lodore,
if you look in the bugthread you can see that lots of people are experiencing the same (me included). Seems that KIS starts to unpack the large files directly into the memory instead of to the HD (thus huge mem usage from avp.exe), and until some point it starts to unpack to the HD (without decreasing mem usage). I have PMd on of the devs few days ago (on 30th April IIRC) with all the necessary details and traces. We'll see what happens. :) So, no... no conflict there...
Oh, and highest settings were used, as always. :)" }-

i always use full settings.
pm me on here or KL forum when you get an update on that issue.
thanks


once that issue is sorted i will install it again.

[3x0gR13N]

Sure, will do :thumb:

[james246]

Anyone know when Kasp. expects to release KIS 2009 & KAV 2009 commercially.

[Graystoke]

-{ Quote: "Graystoke:
see post 149" }-


Thank you osip. Sorry for taking so long to say thanks. I was a little busy the last few days. I almost forgot I posted a question. :P

[3x0gR13N]

-{ Quote: "Anyone know when Kasp. expects to release KIS 2009 & KAV 2009 commercially." }-
In june most likely. But it could change, depending on marketing, ... stellar winds, and so on... ;D

[larryb52]

well I tried it & I was wrong, great product... now I have to recover my license some how but all in all I'd say one good suite...even if I have to repurchase...

[DonKid]

-{ Quote: "Kaspersky faster than avira !
maybe you are joking again .........." }-
KIS can check all kind of packers during a full scan.
Most AV´s don´t do this.
If they do this, they won´t say our AV is the fastest during a full scan.