bought a new computer today

[bigc73542]

now to try and figure which antivirus to run on it??? decisions,decisions???

AMD Phenom X4 9600 Quad-Core Processor HD9600WCGD, Socket AM2+, 2.3GHz, 4MB Cache, 95W, 65nm
3Gb.DDR2 memory
Nivida GeForce 9600 graphics
and enough fans to cool off a motorhome but it is fairly quiet.

[innerpeace]

Congrats on your new purchase :thumb:. It sounds like a great machine with a lot of power.

I just ordered an Intel Q6600 today and am preparing for my first build. I've had great help :).

You shouldn't be worrying about an AV, you should be concentrating on all the newest games and software out there :P. I take it your running Vista 32bit since it has 3GB of RAM? What AV was you running before?

[bigc73542]

Windows Live onecare 2.5. I have a full year of it left. Yep Vista Home Premium 32

[EliteKiller]

-{ Quote: "now to try and figure which antivirus to run on it??? decisions,decisions??? " }-
You've been pimping McAfee for quite some time.....why change if it works so well? ;)

[bigc73542]

It does work well, but I kind of like the new WLOC also. It is very quiet and out of my face.

[WSFuser]

With a new computer, you could try NOD32 and see if it works.

BTW if youre asking about AV, why post in Software & Services?

[Hairy Coo]

-{ Quote: "now to try and figure which antivirus to run on it??? decisions,decisions???

AMD Phenom X4 9600 Quad-Core Processor HD9600WCGD, Socket AM2+, 2.3GHz, 4MB Cache, 95W, 65nm
3Gb.DDR2 memory
Nivida GeForce 9600 graphics
and enough fans to cool off a motorhome but it is fairly quiet." }-

Great set up-be interested how the Phenom performs-good luck!!

Dont know if you intend to get payware.

I have been running AVG Free for several years without any virus occurring,or any problems.

I especially like the fact that it runs so light,completely unobtrusive and fast.

The GUI is very logical.Updates itself.

It also always rates quite highly in the tests.

[Mrkvonic]

Hello,

Congrats on the purchase, looks like a nice thingie.
Fans are good - fans are your friend ...

As to the AV thingie, I'd say AVG free, if they cater for Vista.

Mrk

[Ragzarok]

Phenom... budget machine? Return it... wait for Nehalem.
:-\ What will you do with it? Server? Media edit?


I've also been looking for something cheap to build my Media Center PC / server. Was close to buying Phenom, but decided to wait till Nehalem. N/e ways...hope you happy with it, let us know how it performs.

[ankupan]

Hi,

Give a try to Avira AntiVir Premium 8. I am extreemly happy with it. Even LooknStop has added additional security without effecting speed and memory too. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

I have installed these application on my business machine.

[MikeNAS]

-{ Quote: "Hello,

Congrats on the purchase, looks like a nice thingie.
Fans are good - fans are your friend ...

As to the AV thingie, I'd say AVG free, if they cater for Vista.

Mrk" }-

Fans are evil :D
Passive cooling is much quiter :D :D
LN2 is coldest :D :D :D

I have used all of those and some more. Have to say that you don't need so much power if you don't game.

bigc73542 why you choose AMD over Intel Core Duo? Intel is much faster and so easy to overclock.

[markymoo]

I hope it works out and enjoy your new computer! A unlocked processor :) for a lesser price. Personally I wouldn't recommend AMD at the moment because of the serious TLB bug in there chips which the fix they released reduces alot performance. Intel Quad 6600 is 15% more performance and a great price right now. You can't beat the stability of Intel chips.

AV NOD32 would be a good choice as it will give great protection without a performance hit.

Here's a review of the AMD Phenom 9600 BE
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/phenom_9600_black_edition/

-{ Quote: "

For business use, the performance hit ranges from 5-7% for office applications, to a whopping 66% for WinRAR.

MP3 encoding takes a 1%-4% hit; video conversion 10% or so, and 3D rendering 10%-30%.

Synthetic memory and processor benchmarks are not affected greatly by the TLB fix.

In the games that we tested, performance takes a 2%-53% (ok, 52.5% to be more accurate) hit, with the average speed loss being around 14%.
The TLB fix causes an incredible 42FPS performance loss in the Minimum FPS of World In Conflict with the Phenom 9600 Black Edition - you read it right, the TLB fix drops the minimum performance by greater than 50%.
The Average performance "only" drops by 20%, and the Maximum performance drops by 35%.
If you like World In Conflict, DISABLE THE TLB FIX!
" }-

[C.S.J]

hey bigc, i see we are both in the market for new machines.

mine should arrive on tuesday, but i wont be changing my AV. :)

hope it comes on tuesday anyway..... :wacko:

[computer geek]

-{ Quote: "It does work well, but I kind of like the new WLOC also. It is very quiet and out of my face." }-
Congrats on your purchase! I wouldn't really worry about how heavy an AV is, besides, what would stand in the way of a 3GB Ram and a Phenom 9600?
will release a new engine sooner or later, so I'm sticking with them. You can also get a free liscence all to easily too. :D
If you wanna try something else, try out lots of trials, since each machine is individual and you should find something that fits.

[Wake2]

Congratulations bigc on the purchase of your new computer nice specs indeed.

If your happy with WLOC I say continue to use it, or if your like me constantly changing your mind trial trial trial .....

Wake

[EASTER]

Congratulations on a new computer, they're very exciting and you have infinite choices almost to secure them with now days.

All The Best

EASTER

[bigc73542]

I have decided to stay with WLOC for now. It works almost invisibly on the new machine. :thumb: Thanks to all of you for the advice and thoughts.

bigc.

[midway40]

Welcome to the world of Quad computing, bigc :)

[bigc73542]

I have come to the conclusion that after one day of use on the new comp that IT KICKS A## I love it ;D

[Hairy Coo]

A lot faster than a single core:thumb: :thumb:

[bigc73542]

-{ Quote: "A lot faster than a single core:thumb: :thumb:" }-


Oh, maybe just a little :argh: Zoooooooooooom

[bigc73542]

Well I decided on Kaspersky internet security. And while I was in town buying it I got a new 350 watt 5.1 surround for the new comp :thumb: really loving it. I think I am going to stay in the computer room and play for about a month.;D

Totally amazed how cool it runs

[Hairy Coo]

Those temps are amazing-are you sure its not outside in the snow? :)

[bigc73542]

-{ Quote: "Those temps are amazing-are you sure its not outside in the snow? :)" }-


I guess it runs cool because it doesn't have to work very hard :thumb:

[MikeNAS]

-{ Quote: "Well I decided on Kaspersky internet security. And while I was in town buying it I got a new 350 watt 5.1 surround for the new comp :thumb: really loving it. I think I am going to stay in the computer room and play for about a month.;D

Totally amazed how cool it runs" }-

Which program you use to show temps? Most of them doesn't show correct values.

[bigc73542]

-{ Quote: "Which program you use to show temps? Most of them doesn't show correct values." }-

I used three. AMD power monitor, Everest and Siw and they were all the same.:thumb:

[DVD+R]

The Phenom 9600+ Quad Core Runs like a Ferrari :dry: I've had it some 3 Months and its Like a Quadrillion times faster than other AMD's I've had. Also the 9600+ is 64bit too :dry: The only downside I suppose, (If there is one) is I cant find one Available faster than 2.3Ghz

[bigc73542]

It would be nice to have it at about 3ghz+ ;D

[MikeNAS]

btw bigc73542 are you using that TLB fix? It's so intresting that AMD can sell broken CPU's.

[bigc73542]

-{ Quote: "btw bigc73542 are you using that TLB fix? It's so intresting that AMD can sell broken CPU's." }-

There is nothing broken here. Everything is working just fine.

info from "enthuiast magazine"
B3 Phenom Fixes TLB


We have had AMD's new Phenom "B3" silicon in-house for a while now and we have confirmed that the TLB Erratum is not detected by motherboard's with the BIOS workaround. In our opinion this has never been an issue for the enthusiast as the erratum does not impact desktop computer systems and is almost impossible to duplicate in even server class hardware. Since the TLB erratum was identified in November of 2007, we have yet to see any of the websites splashing it across their pages repeatedly actually duplicate and confirm the erratum in-house.


None of the benchmarks we have ever shown to our readers have included the TLB performance penalties. None of the motherboards we have ever suggested to our readers have ever not had the ability to turn off the TLB workarounds. Hence, we see all of this as a non-issue on the desktop side of things. As for the server market, this is incredibly good news for AMD as it means the Phenom just got faster not only in terms of clock speed, but also in terms of performance per clock.

[MikeNAS]

-{ Quote: "There is nothing broken here. Everything is working just fine.

info from "enthuiast magazine"
B3 Phenom Fixes TLB


We have had AMD's new Phenom "B3" silicon in-house for a while now and we have confirmed that the TLB Erratum is not detected by motherboard's with the BIOS workaround. In our opinion this has never been an issue for the enthusiast as the erratum does not impact desktop computer systems and is almost impossible to duplicate in even server class hardware. Since the TLB erratum was identified in November of 2007, we have yet to see any of the websites splashing it across their pages repeatedly actually duplicate and confirm the erratum in-house.


None of the benchmarks we have ever shown to our readers have included the TLB performance penalties. None of the motherboards we have ever suggested to our readers have ever not had the ability to turn off the TLB workarounds. Hence, we see all of this as a non-issue on the desktop side of things. As for the server market, this is incredibly good news for AMD as it means the Phenom just got faster not only in terms of clock speed, but also in terms of performance per clock." }-


My mistake. Didn't realize that you have B3.

[djohn]

Congrats BigC like a kid with a new toy I bet.;D

[bigc73542]

EXACTLY

[midway40]

BigC, I thought it would be interesting to post my Intel Q6600 temps. Of course it depends on how good the cooling is.

[markymoo]

I suggest you update your BIOS still. The AMD Cpu model numbers that end in 50 don't have the bug otherwise they fixed it with a BIOS.

Review here.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3272&p=1

[bigc73542]

this comp was built less than two weeks ago and everything is up to date to that time. But thanks anyway. :thumb:

[bigc73542]

-{ Quote: "BigC, I thought it would be interesting to post my Intel Q6600 temps. Of course it depends on how good the cooling is." }-
They are getting better at cooling these beasts nowdays :thumb:

[markymoo]

bigc73542 (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/member.php?u=6487)

yes just saying ;) i didn't mean for that, i meant anyways.. the review is encouraging and just to confuse, AMD have brought out a Tricore lol

[midway40]

-{ Quote: "They are getting better at cooling these beasts nowdays :thumb:" }-

This Acer doesn't have but 3 fans--PSU, case exhaust, and CPU. The CPU's heatsink looks to be about a 1 1/4 inch thick aluminum fin. Then it has what I call a big intake funnel sucking air in from the vent on the left side of the case. It is very quiet surprisingly. What also helps is that these newer processors use less voltages than their predecessors.

[bigc73542]

The ducting they are useing seems to keep the noise to a very low level. I was afraid it was going to sound like a large box fan:-[ But to my surprise it is very quiet.:D

[DVD+R]

AMD Released this not so long ago:

http://game.amd.com/us-en/unlock_phenomblack.aspx

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543~124395,00.html

It runs at am impressive 2.5Ghz :dry: I thing Me and bigc might be challenging for the first ones to get it ;D 8) :dry:

[C.S.J]

my new computer isnt coming, was expecting it yesterday but now they say its still out of stock and it could be 29th april (if then... )

:(

lucky for bigc to actually recieve something, cos the waiting and constant delays is killing me. ::)

[ErikAlbert]

Hi guys
My computer isn't that old yet, but isn't it sick with all these high temperatures, because I'm very sick at 45*C and 34*C is too cold.

AMD (939) ATX Athlon 4400+ 64Bit X2 Dual-Core Processor

a. Current System Temp : 34°C = 93°F
b. Current CPU Temp... : 45°C = 113°F

1. System Fan Speed..... : 2678 RPM
2. CPU Fan Speed........ : 1240 RPM
3. Northbridge Fan Speed : 7584 RPM

Why don't I have a Southbridge Fan ?

@BigC
Good luck with your supercomputer. If it wasn't hardware, I would be jealous. :)

[lucas1985]

-{ Quote: "Hi guys
My computer isn't that old yet, but isn't it sick with all these high temperatures, because I'm very sick at 45*C and 34*C is too cold." }-
Your processor is based on the Manchester/Toledo core, which is an "old" design fabbed at 90 nm. The 65 nm node provides cooler processors.
Your motherboard's readings may also be wrong.
-{ Quote: "Why don't I have a Southbridge Fan?" }-
IIRC, your motherboard is based on a nForce 4 chipset, which has the north and southbridges integrated in a single chip. Also, most SB are cooled passively (i.e. only a heatsink w/o fan)

[ccsito]

Welcome to the 21st century Master Yoda. LOL ;)

I just replaced a 2.4 GHz 512 MB system with a 1.8 GHz Duo processor 2 GB system and the boot up time is FANTASTIC. :D :thumb:

[bigc73542]

Isn't new technology Grand ;D :thumb: It would have been fun to play with when I had my computer shops.:D

[trjam]

Big C, sometime I would love to hear your life story.;)

[trjam]

I think I figured it out, Oklahoma.

[The Hammer]

-{ Quote: "I have come to the conclusion that after one day of use on the new comp that IT KICKS A## I love it ;D" }-Did you tweak the OS at all? Also what brand is it?

[bigc73542]

-{ Quote: "Big C, sometime I would love to hear your life story.;)" }-

It would be a long story, I have worked at five different professions and retired from all of them. Not counting the Military service and self employment. It has been a long intestering and very enjoyable ride :thumb: And the very best part is that I still feel twenty years old. And act accordingly;D ;D I love hard rock, oldies and most other types of music. I love going 160 miles an hour on my Yamaha Seca Turbo Motorcycle. I am building a street rocket useing a Toyota Celica Supra as a base vehicle to start with. I love Ham radio and computers. well that doesn't even get started but I think you will get the general Idea of what I do and enjoy.

[bigc73542]

-{ Quote: "Did you tweak the OS at all? Also what brand is it?" }-

I custom ordered a comp from Gateway with hardware only. I have posted what it entails. They also sent me a Vista Home Premium DVD. And I went from there. But I have not tinkered with any of the OS base components or coding. Basically Vista is stock as a rock.:thumb: I have of course installed the software that I use.

[bigc73542]

-{ Quote: "I think I figured it out, Oklahoma." }- If you are refering to the number combinations I have listed, they are Ham radio Frequencies Where I hang out from time to time

[midway40]

-{ Quote: "I custom ordered a comp from Gateway with hardware only. I have posted what it entails. They also sent me a Vista Home Premium DVD. And I went from there. But I have not tinkered with any of the OS base components or coding. Basically Vista is stock as a rock.:thumb: I have of course installed the software that I use." }-

When you have the power of the Q, you don't need tweaks. It IS the tweak ;D

[Meriadoc]

CQ CQ CQ DX QTH?

[computer geek]

My PentiumD cooling is rubbish... I can't hear a jet engine when I'm in front of my compueter...:thumbd:
Motherboard- 72 degrees....

[Mrkvonic]

Hello,
At 70 degrees, it should live about 3 years ...
Mrk

[bigc73542]

-{ Quote: "CQ CQ CQ DX QTH?" }-


roger roger 5/5

[WSFuser]

Hey bigc, small question:

Since you have a quad-core, does each core show 25% usage in Task Manager?

[bigc73542]

No, usually multiple cores are showing 0 use and only one or sometimes more depending on what I am doing at the time. I have another computer with a dual core that does the same.:thumb: Oh and I don't use task manager to keep track of the processor. I use the AMD power monitor to see what it is doing at any given time.

[WSFuser]

Well I mean when the processor is fully utilizied.

For example I have dual-core and two instances of Folding@Home. Each one shows 50%:

199521

[bigc73542]

I haven't run anything that put that much load on the 4c Processor yet, I am sure I will eventually but not yet. Here is a screen shot from the other comp with the two core AMD. I had posted a screen shot of what I thought was a screenie of the quad but it was an old vista side bar gadget of the dual core so I removed it.. post on of the quad later. have to get busy on the street rocket ;D :thumb: The screen shot is taken while running a full scan with Norton AV with antispyware 2008 on the dual core.

[midway40]

I put FAH on my computer to check it out. According to the sidebar gadget each core constantly changes in usage with an overall 25% total system usage:

[WSFuser]

Thanks for the confirmation midway. My curiousity is appeased ;D

[midway40]

No problem, your post made me curious about it as well :)