AVIRA 8 Release Notes - Now released!

[Tommy]

{QUOTE-> With the new release, we will update all programs to version 8. Please note, that there are program modules which furthermore will have the version 7.x.

We will rename some products as follows
Avira AntiVir PersonalEdition Classic -> Avira AntiVir Personal - Free Antivirus
Avira AntiVir PersonalEdition Premium -> Avira AntiVir Premium


Avira AntiVir Personal - Free Antivirus, Avira AntiVir Premium und Avira Premium Security Suite
New graphical Userinterface
New Avira AntiVir Engine
New update functions - you can choose between product and detection updates
Support Windows Vista ServicePack 1


Avira AntiVir Premium und Avira Premium Security Suite
MailGuard now checks outgoing SMTP traffic
MailGuard with Bot detection
Download of the Rescue CD
2 new updateserver


Avira AntiVir Premium
New modul: WebGuard


Avira Premium Security Suite
New modul: Backup
Firewall Templates for adapter rules


__________________
Matthias Beck
Avira GmbH <-QUOTE}

Source:http://forum.avira.com/thread.php?threadid=35655

[Makav3l1]

Cool, the naming scheme makes more sense now.

[Jadda]

I can't wait to test it. Thanks for the info and link!

[trjam]

so webguard will be in now Avira Premium . Told ya Mele.;)

Way to go Avira.:thumb:

[aigle]

When it wil be released?

[Waterfox]

Will it be possible to deactivate webguard in antivir premium if one wishes to do so?

[Kees1958]

Anyone knows whether blacklist updates of the 7-version will be available when not upgrading?

Reason for asking is that the vendors are optimising their products for multi core CPU's which is a logical way to go. I tried AVG and AVIRA beta and found them okay on a dual core, but slower on an old single core CPU.

I am not sure yet whether it was the beta status causing the difference or the newer architecture of the AV-engine's.

[eskimukas1]

{QUOTE-> Will it be possible to deactivate webguard in antivir premium if one wishes to do so? <-QUOTE}

yes. you may not install the module if you don't want it.

[Nike_P]

Hello. I´m new here, i saw this info about Avira and i thought i must post a question about it. :)
What will happend to the free version of Avira Antivir?

[MaB69]

Hi,

Thank you Tommy for this great news :argh:
Hope we can update through updater

Regards,

MaB

[kinwolf]

{QUOTE-> Hello. I´m new here, i saw this info about Avira and i thought i must post a question about it. :)
What will happend to the free version of Avira Antivir? <-QUOTE}

That is answered in the first post.

[Nike_P]

{QUOTE-> That is answered in the first post. <-QUOTE}

thanks dude :)
but does anybody know when it will be released?

[Jadda]

Early April.

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> Early April. <-QUOTE}

Sounds good to me.

[deanmartin]

sounds good , cant wait.

[Mele20]

{QUOTE-> so webguard will be in now Avira Premium . Told ya Mele.;)

Way to go Avira.:thumb: <-QUOTE}

Yep. You did. :D No reason to buy Premium as the free version has all that is needed for a good AV. I reinstalled the free version a few days ago because I can't use Ver 8 beta as it conflicts with my video card driver, and maybe my nVidia board as well, and appears also to likely be the cause of Windows exempting Explorer from Hardware DEP. Ver. 7 is fine though.

[subset]

{QUOTE-> Avira AntiVir Premium

* New modul: WebGuard <-QUOTE}
Do they use a proxy (like now in their suite) for the WebGuard in ver 8?

Cheers

[LoneWolf]

Hopefully v8 will run as smooth as v7 is for me.
Won't have to wait long to see I guess.

[s4u]

{QUOTE-> Hopefully v8 will run as smooth as v7 is for me.
Won't have to wait long to see I guess. <-QUOTE}
Don't worry it will run more smooth

[innerpeace]

Thanks Tommy :thumb:. This is very good news! Version 8 Premium includes a bunch of welcome features.

[Mele20]

{QUOTE-> Don't worry it will run more smooth <-QUOTE}

Well, it didn't for me. And I have heard NOTHING from Avira about the nasty bug. Not very impressed. 7 runs fine and I would prefer to keep it.

So, 8 may run better for a lot of folks but you shouldn't make an assumption and tell people not to worry. Each user will have to see for themselves.

[Macstorm]

Thanks for the news :)

{QUOTE-> New Avira AntiVir Engine <-QUOTE}
I do hope this new engine being more powerful than current one, which (i feel) can be easily terminated by malware >:(

[s4u]

{QUOTE-> Well, it didn't for me. And I have heard NOTHING from Avira about the nasty bug. Not very impressed. 7 runs fine and I would prefer to keep it.

So, 8 may run better for a lot of folks but you shouldn't make an assumption and tell people not to worry. Each user will have to see for themselves. <-QUOTE}
I know you had some troubles mele.
But I think a lot of people will really like it

[FRug]

Macstorm: An AV engine has nothing to do with process termination. An engine is all about the detection, file formats, archives, runtime unpacking...

[Macstorm]

{QUOTE-> Macstorm: An AV engine has nothing to do with process termination. An engine is all about the detection, file formats, archives, runtime unpacking... <-QUOTE}
AV drivers then?
please enlighten me ;)

[FRug]

macstorm: Yeah, that's the job of a driver. Can be in different components though, be it firewall driver, guard driver, anti rootkit driver, behaviour blocker or even a dedicated driver... that is different from AV to AV :)

[Macstorm]

{QUOTE-> macstorm: Yeah, that's the job of a driver. Can be in different components though, be it firewall driver, guard driver, anti rootkit driver, behaviour blocker or even a dedicated driver... that is different from AV to AV :) <-QUOTE}
Thanks for the clarification FRug :)

I will rephrase my post then: I do hope the new Avira drivers being stronger than current ones >:(

[Leo2005]

{QUOTE-> Do they use a proxy (like now in their suite) for the WebGuard in ver 8?

Cheers <-QUOTE}it is the same modul so this wont be changed in the preium version.

[RejZoR]

Erm, so when is this version 8 suppose to be released if release notes are already available?

[trjam]

422008 ;)

[sarad]

http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/Avira-prepares-for-version-increment--/110342

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> 422008 ;) <-QUOTE}

Do you mean 4/2/2008?

[Mele20]

{QUOTE-> Do you mean 4/2/2008? <-QUOTE}

No. The beta runs until April 4 so it wouldn't make much sense to release it before the end of the beta ...maybe on April 4 since I don't think it would be released on the weekend. :D

[xandros]

thank you for the good news
i wish that antivir premium still light after the beta finish

[trjam]

{QUOTE-> thank you for the good news
i wish that antivir premium still light after the beta finish <-QUOTE}
It is and I really do like their Web scanning module. It actually works and stopping nasties.;)

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> No. The beta runs until April 4 so it wouldn't make much sense to release it before the end of the beta ...maybe on April 4 since I don't think it would be released on the weekend. :D <-QUOTE}

Logical.

[Dieselman]

I was just informed that when version 8 comes out it will be an auto update. Nio uninstall or reinstall needed. ;D

[Waterfox]

{QUOTE-> I was just informed that when version 8 comes out it will be an auto update. Nio uninstall or reinstall needed. ;D <-QUOTE}

That's great news :thumb:

[s4u]

There is a possibility it will be couple of days later ;)

[berng]

{QUOTE-> It is and I really do like their Web scanning module. It actually works and stopping nasties.;) <-QUOTE}
I'm using Firefox with the NoScript extension.

Do you think the Avira WebGuard module is good enough for me to drop NoScript?

[trjam]

yep:) :)

[disinter1]

My wishes came true, now I'm a step closer to buy antivir premium.;D

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> My wishes came true, now I'm a step closer to buy antivir premium.;D <-QUOTE}

You should not be disappointed. :)

[aigle]

{QUOTE-> I'm using Firefox with the NoScript extension.

Do you think the Avira WebGuard module is good enough for me to drop NoScript? <-QUOTE}
I don,t think so.

[bellgamin]

{QUOTE-> Do you think the Avira WebGuard module is good enough for me to drop NoScript? <-QUOTE}No. Check THIS thread (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=201350) for reasons.

[berng]

{QUOTE-> No. Check THIS thread (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=201350) for reasons. <-QUOTE}
I read it and also saw your comment
"This thread makes me wonder what real value is there to be had from web scanners (aka http scanners) if they do not block XSS?"

Yet, Avir support claims their scanner will block XSS --

{QUOTE-> Any kind of malicious scripts should be blocked by WebGuard. If you find one that isn't, please send it to our Virus Lab.

Also, WebGuard will detect any form of phishing, so you are protected against this, too. As far as I know, cross site scripting is just another method of exploiting vulnerabilities. <-QUOTE}
http://forum.avira.com/thread.php?threadid=35691

[trjam]

I will say this much, Aviras web scanner is a cut above the rest. There are some astute members here that know their stuff, and will go nameless, that have tested it against some very big exploits. They were amazed how well Aviras web scanning did at detecting them. Of course, I am just a layman making claims, or a fanboy waving my pom-poms, but soon others will get to see the difference.

And if I am wrong, I will apologize to all, but I dont think I will need to.

[bellgamin]

{QUOTE-> Yet, Avir support claims their scanner will block XSS <-QUOTE}The blurb you quoted does not specifically mention XSS. Inferences don't cut it when it comes to an exploit as dangerous as XSS. If it is truly covered by Avira, why are they so coy about specifically mentioning it?

Someone might say "Ask them." I have never had Avira reply to any of several queries I sent them. I don't intend to talk to their blank wall another time.

[berng]

{QUOTE-> I will say this much, Aviras web scanner is a cut above the rest. There are some astute members here that know their stuff, and will go nameless, that have tested it against some very big exploits. They were amazed how well Aviras web scanning did at detecting them. Of course, I am just a layman making claims, or a fanboy waving my pom-poms, but soon others will get to see the difference.

And if I am wrong, I will apologize to all, but I dont think I will need to. <-QUOTE}
:) As usual, your comments are useful !!!

[berng]

{QUOTE-> The blurb you quoted does not specifically mention XSS. Inferences don't cut it when it comes to an exploit as dangerous as XSS. If it is truly covered by Avira, why are they so coy about specifically mentioning it?

Someone might say "Ask them." I have never had Avira reply to any of several queries I sent them. I don't intend to talk to their blank wall another time. <-QUOTE}
I just asked them in that thread I cited above. I shall be awaiting their response.

[Wordward]

I imagine any of the 6 month free trial license anyone of us have, will also update to the new version right? Thanks.

[trjam]

yes, Avira isnt leaving anyone out. Who knows, you may be impressed enough to purchase it at the end of the 6 months. It pretty much is a big change, for a lot of reasons.

[subset]

Hm,

what's so special about this WebGuard modul?

First of all, it uses a proxy and therefore it messes up my firewall, like NOD's v3 proxy.
Second, they initially added the WebGuard exclusively to their Suite.
Almost without any doubt for marketing reasons, to push their Suite.
Now they changed their mind apparently for the same reason, to offer a competitive product and added the WebGuard to the Premium Edition.

Therefore I really don't know what's new or special with this WebGuard.

Cheers

[Tommy]

Folks very nice theoretical discussion if or if it will not block XSS. There is nowhere a proof that it will or will not block this nasty. So, just wait for a release and make some tests. Than we all have a definitive answer.

[Wordward]

Anyone have any screen shots or know where to see them? Also how smoothly do the program updates go if Avira is already installed? Is it better to a complete uninstall and reinstall?

[Mele20]

I don't have time to look now but do a search. There are screen shots of the new GUI posted here.

As for the upgrade, that is done internally so you don't uninstall ver. 7 and then install 8. You can turn off the automatic internal program updating once you get version 8 if you prefer to not have auto updating for the program itself. You can't turn it off though in ver. 7 so you will be automatically upgraded. You do nothing. This applies to the free version also but because of server load free users may not get the auto upgrade as soon as the paid versions do.

[Macstorm]

^
I would always choose to peform an uninst/reinst to upgrade any av as i always did.
This method saved me from further conflicts with own/other apps that could arise.

[Mele20]

{QUOTE-> ^
I would always choose to peform an uninst/reinst to upgrade any av as i always did.
This method saved me from further conflicts with own/other apps that could arise. <-QUOTE}

But you can't do that because there is no way in ver. 7 to tell it to not automatically do a program upgrade. If you want to uninstall/reinstall then you had better uninstall Avira before April 4.

[Macstorm]

{QUOTE-> But you can't do that because there is no way in ver. 7 to tell it to not automatically do a program upgrade. If you want to uninstall/reinstall then you had better uninstall Avira before April 4. <-QUOTE}
:-\
..or choosing not to update anything for a while until new build is out on their webpage, the full .exe installer i mean.

[Mele20]

{QUOTE-> :-\
..or choosing not to update anything for a while until new build is out on their webpage, the full .exe installer i mean. <-QUOTE}

Well, yeah, if you don't care about getting new definitions.

[berng]

{QUOTE-> The blurb you quoted does not specifically mention XSS. Inferences don't cut it when it comes to an exploit as dangerous as XSS. If it is truly covered by Avira, why are they so coy about specifically mentioning it?

Someone might say "Ask them." I have never had Avira reply to any of several queries I sent them. I don't intend to talk to their blank wall another time. <-QUOTE}
Having asked Avira support, Radu responded
{QUOTE-> WebGuard will protect you against XSS, because it's just another type of malicious scripting.

As you said above NoScript is just another level of protection, so you may or may not want to use it depending on your security and functionality needs. Personally, I use the NoScript plugin.
<-QUOTE}
http://forum.avira.com/addreply.php?postid=329398

[trjam]

nobody ever listens to me. ;)

[berng]

{QUOTE-> nobody ever listens to me. ;) <-QUOTE}
I listen to you.:thumb:
But its also nice to get it confirmed by an "official" source.

Personally, I find NoScript to be a bit intrusive. After Ver 8 is installed with WebGuard I'll drop NoScript.

[trjam]

and I was wrong. Should be ready for updating 4/8/2008.

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> nobody ever listens to me. ;) <-QUOTE}

Have you ever thought they don't want to listen to you? Most of the critics are not using Avira. They are often looking for a "flaw" in Avira- but always very difficult to find. :)

[trjam]

Gee Dad, can Eddie sleep over.;)

[Mele20]

{QUOTE-> Have you ever thought they don't want to listen to you? Most of the critics are not using Avira. They are often looking for a "flaw" in Avira- but always very difficult to find. :) <-QUOTE}

You might find it amusing that trjam "nominated" me as "my beta tester this go round" in the beta forum. He said I was "the most grumpy and critical tester this round, but your feedback is priceless and just what turns some vendors off. But not Avira..." :D :P

Tjark himself told me some time ago "don't give up yelling, some people are listening" so I took him at his word. :D

[lodore]

{QUOTE-> You might find it amusing that trjam "nominated" me as "my beta tester this go round" in the beta forum. He said I was "the most grumpy and critical tester this round, but your feedback is priceless and just what turns some vendors off. But not Avira..." :D :P

Tjark himself told me some time ago "don't give up yelling, some people are listening" so I took him at his word. :D <-QUOTE}
as a light joke you do seem hard to please with reguards to antivirus software.

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> You might find it amusing that trjam "nominated" me as "my beta tester this go round" in the beta forum. He said I was "the most grumpy and critical tester this round, but your feedback is priceless and just what turns some vendors off. But not Avira..." :D :P

Tjark himself told me some time ago "don't give up yelling, some people are listening" so I took him at his word. :D <-QUOTE}

Hey, if you think there are problems (at least for you) and I have read most of your critiques, you are entitled. Sometimes vendors listen- and sometimes they don't. I have found that the companies that prosper listen to their customers if they have valid points.

[Mele20]

Well, considering that it was the founder and CEO of Avira, Tjark Auerbach, who contacted me and made that comment, I'd say Avira listens well and has found at least some of my feedback to be valuable. :) I think it most admirable that the CEO of a company the size of Avira finds the time to read the Avira forum and that he has such a "hands on" attitude.

[Trespasser]

{QUOTE-> nobody ever listens to me. ;) <-QUOTE}

Sure we listen to you...ah...ah...humm...now what was your name again? ;).

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> Well, considering that it was the founder and CEO of Avira, Tjark Auerbach, who contacted me and made that comment, I'd say Avira listens well and has found at least some of my feedback to be valuable. :) I think it most admirable that the CEO of a company the size of Avira finds the time to read the Avira forum and that he has such a "hands on" attitude. <-QUOTE}

I have owned three large computer companies, and I always listened to my customers. Retired from that business a rich man because of it. It does not surprise me that Auerbach is hands on- they have a very good product and they are looking to increase market share. Formula for success.:thumb:

[trjam]

Since my position is working for a transit system that provides transportation to individuals with disabilities, I have always admired Tjark Auerbach and his foundation. Some complain about the mandatory donation when purchasing Avira products, but if you really take the time to see who and how your donation benefits others, well, you will see it is money well spent.
Here (http://www.auerbach-foundation.com/Intro.aspx?Language=EN)

[Wordward]

Thanks everyone for the replies. I wonder if the notify screen will still be a part of the free version?

[Mele20]

{QUOTE-> Since my position is working for a transit system that provides transportation to individuals with disabilities, I have always admired Tjark Auerbach and his foundation. Some complain about the mandatory donation when purchasing Avira products, but if you really take the time to see who and how your donation benefits others, well, you will see it is money well spent.
Here (http://www.auerbach-foundation.com/Intro.aspx?Language=EN) <-QUOTE}

The Cause page sums it all up quite eloquently:

"I was always given plenty of support and encouragement at home which meant that I was free to do as I pleased. I set up the foundation to offer as many people as possible more opportunities in their lives. By buying from us, every user of our anti-virus programme is creating more security for himself and for others at the same time." The aim of the Auerbach Foundation is to minimise financial, spiritual, mental and physical hardship through its charitable and social donations. It also seeks to create space for art, culture and science and, in doing so, to safeguard values, such as security and creativity."

http://www.auerbach-foundation.com/Zweck.aspx

[fredra]

Don't stop yelling?
Hmmmmm ..... the squeaky wheel gets the most grease. :-X
Typical. ::)
Cheers

[LoneWolf]

{QUOTE-> I don't have time to look now but do a search. There are screen shots of the new GUI posted here <-QUOTE}

Anyone know of any screenshots of the new GUI here somewhere.
I did a search of the forum and came up empty.

[^Ale]

{QUOTE-> Anyone know of any screenshots of the new GUI here somewhere.
I did a search of the forum and came up empty. <-QUOTE}

LoneWolf, see post #2 http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=200765

[Macstorm]

{QUOTE-> Anyone know of any screenshots of the new GUI here somewhere. <-QUOTE}
I'd like to see them as well. I guess it's pretty the same as the SecuritySuite one, minus specific modules of course.

[LoneWolf]

{QUOTE-> LoneWolf, see post #2 http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=200765 <-QUOTE}

Thank you ^Ale. ;D

[^Ale]

You' re welcome

[Macstorm]

{QUOTE-> LoneWolf, see post #2 http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=200765 <-QUOTE}
LOL I thought he was just speaking about the new AntiVir Premium :)

[Thug21]

So far I'm looking forward to Avira v8.

However, they did make some changes to the Suite's firewall so it won't allow a program to communicate via UDP, even if you allow that application. If specific port rules are not added, it won't work unless you switch to less secure medium firewall mode.

This change might be an inconvenience for gamers unless they are able to add all the right ports, or still feel safe enough on medium mode which does not even close all ports.

At least Avira has promised to change this behavior, though it won't be completed/released until the q3 update.

[acr1965]

I just downloaded and still got version 7. When wil version 8 be out and will the upgrade install over version 7?

[Mele20]

{QUOTE-> I just downloaded and still got version 7. When wil version 8 be out and will the upgrade install over version 7? <-QUOTE}

It's supposed to be released on April 8. It will autoupdate itself if you have version 7 installed.

April 8 is not cast in concrete so something could delay the release date slightly but April 8 is the announced date.

[berng]

{QUOTE-> It's supposed to be released on April 8. It will autoupdate itself if you have version 7 installed.

April 8 is not cast in concrete so something could delay the release date slightly but April 8 is the announced date. <-QUOTE}
There was an announcement? Never mind, I see that on their forum.

Its really not a good day since April 8 is also the monthly Windows release day.

[Jadda]

Why would that affect anything?

[berng]

{QUOTE-> Why would that affect anything? <-QUOTE}
If something went wrong, you'd have trouble telling if its Microsoft or Avira.

[rookieman]

How can you tell the versions at there site?I've just downloaded a trial last nite and got version 7.This one runs light and to me light and effective is good!!!;)

[Mele20]

{QUOTE-> If something went wrong, you'd have trouble telling if its Microsoft or Avira. <-QUOTE}

That's right. I intend to uninstall Avira tomorrow night. With the time difference it might update on the 7th rather than the 8th and I don't want a new version when I have to download and install a bunch of MS patches on the 8th. I am pretty upset at Avira over this issue. They have no business forcing an auto upgrade. I should be able to use the ver 7 for at least a week after ver 8 is made available. Plus, there should NEVER be any AUTO upgrade. Anything as crucial as an upgrade to a new version should be under my complete control. Avira could just turn off updates to ver 7 after a specified date. THAT is the proper way to handle this. What they are doing is inviting all sorts of problems. Not to mention that one should always uninstall the previous version, clean the registry, etc before installing a new version. It is a pile of shit to upgrade anything on top of itself. At least in ver. 8 one can decline all auto upgrading but you can't do that in ver. 7 so it will upgrade automatically on top of itself and that is bad. I had enough problems with the beta and it was a clean install.

[berng]

I agree that the version update should be under our control, not Avira's.

I also would prefer to watch others user's experience for a week before updating this on my production system.

[rookieman]

{QUOTE-> That's right. I intend to uninstall Avira tomorrow night. With the time difference it might update on the 7th rather than the 8th and I don't want a new version when I have to download and install a bunch of MS patches on the 8th. I am pretty upset at Avira over this issue. They have no business forcing an auto upgrade. I should be able to use the ver 7 for at least a week after ver 8 is made available. Plus, there should NEVER be any AUTO upgrade. Anything as crucial as an upgrade to a new version should be under my complete control. Avira could just turn off updates to ver 7 after a specified date. THAT is the proper way to handle this. What they are doing is inviting all sorts of problems. Not to mention that one should always uninstall the previous version, clean the registry, etc before installing a new version. It is a pile of shit to upgrade anything on top of itself. At least in ver. 8 one can decline all auto upgrading but you can't do that in ver. 7 so it will upgrade automatically on top of itself and that is bad. I had enough problems with the beta and it was a clean install. <-QUOTE}
I never took that into consideration!Great point!!!!:thumb:

[Diver]

{QUOTE-> That's right. I intend to uninstall Avira tomorrow night. With the time difference it might update on the 7th rather than the 8th and I don't want a new version when I have to download and install a bunch of MS patches on the 8th. I am pretty upset at Avira over this issue. They have no business forcing an auto upgrade. I should be able to use the ver 7 for at least a week after ver 8 is made available. Plus, there should NEVER be any AUTO upgrade. Anything as crucial as an upgrade to a new version should be under my complete control. Avira could just turn off updates to ver 7 after a specified date. THAT is the proper way to handle this. What they are doing is inviting all sorts of problems. Not to mention that one should always uninstall the previous version, clean the registry, etc before installing a new version. It is a pile of shit to upgrade anything on top of itself. At least in ver. 8 one can decline all auto upgrading but you can't do that in ver. 7 so it will upgrade automatically on top of itself and that is bad. I had enough problems with the beta and it was a clean install. <-QUOTE}


At this point either the whole thing will be a disaster or it will go without any problem. In the first case you would be right, in the second case you would be wrong and have worried over nothing.

[Macstorm]

{QUOTE-> If something went wrong, you'd have trouble telling if its Microsoft or Avira. <-QUOTE}
It'll be MS' fault most likely ;)

[Macstorm]

{QUOTE-> Not to mention that one should always uninstall the previous version, clean the registry, etc before installing a new version. It is a pile of shit to upgrade anything on top of itself. <-QUOTE}
Agreed. It has been my rule of thumb for years.

Still, Avira may delay the upgrade to another 1-2 days :-\

[Wordward]

I read in the Avira forum that version 8.0 looks pretty much like 7.0 does. Anyone know if this is right? Thanks.

[zfactor]

i miss avira.. any new deals floating around with this new version being released?? id love to grab a lic if its a bit less than they were before.. dont get me wrong im having 0 issues with kis right now but i do miss avira

[trjam]

{QUOTE-> I read in the Avira forum that version 8.0 looks pretty much like 7.0 does. Anyone know if this is right? Thanks. <-QUOTE}
The GUI is completely different and better. There are quite a few improvements.;)

[Wordward]

{QUOTE-> The GUI is completely different and better. There are quite a few improvements.;) <-QUOTE}
Thanks trjam. You know where any screen shots of it can be found? I did a search in here and the Avira website and also did a google search, but I couldn't find any.

[rolarocka]

{QUOTE-> Thanks trjam. You know where any screen shots of it can be found? I did a search in here and the Avira website and also did a google search, but I couldn't find any. <-QUOTE}
See post 78 :thumb:

[Nike_P]

GUI and all that c=)
i want to know if i can get better protection against all nasties out there,
i just want to know if they have improved the detection rate, does anyone know some info about it?

[mnosteele]

{QUOTE-> GUI and all that c=)
i want to know if i can get better protection against all nasties out there,
i just want to know if they have improved the detection rate, does anyone know some info about it? <-QUOTE}

It's a new scanning engine so I would assume that there are some improvements.

:)

[trjam]

Let me see if I can clear some things up since the beta is over. Yes is the answer, but let me walk you through the development of the beta.

This was the intital phase. Beta 1

### Beta 1 ###
* ADD: New engine AVE2 has been added. AVE2 has been completely rewritten and
offers the following features: - Modular design: the engine consists of the
following files: avcore.dll, avemu.dll, avgen.dll, avhelp.dll, avheur.dll,
avoffice.dll, avpack.dll, avrdl.dll, avscn.dll, avscript.dll, avvdf.dll,
avset.dll - New engine should increase overall scan performance about 10%
* ADD: firewall templates. These templates should now allow to easily add
special exclusions (e.g. VPN connections) to the firewall


This was Beta 2

### Beta 2 ###
* FIX: bug in tray icon handling for firewall
* FIX: problem in AVGuard with malware detection
* FIX: crash in Notifier
* ADD: better 64bit support or Vista and XP64
* FIX: some bugs in AVE2 causing performance gaps


This was Beta 3

### Beta 3 ###
* FIX: Issues with overlapping heuristic/generic detections in some cases
* FIX: Issues in handling of temporary files resulted in more files being
generated than absolutely necessary.
* ADD: Added support for several new runtime packers to AVE2
* FIX: Removed heuristic false positives to AVE2
* ADD: Added most recent heuristic rules to AVE2
* FIX: Guard crashes unexpectedly on x64
* FIX: Mailguard can not handle AUTH NTLM with Microsoft Mail services
* FIX: Removed multiple adapters in the FW GUI configuration window
* FIX: Parse of command line in 64 Bit impersonation

And this was Beta 4

### Beta 4 ###
* ADD: Renamed engine files av*.dll files to ae*.dll
* FIX: Fixed False Positive HTML/Exploit.HTML
* ADD: Generic detections of web-based malware
* ADD: New AntiVir 8 style graphical user interface. The new GUI features
groups and a more modern look and feel at all.
* ADD: WebGuard now supports a WebCategorizer ("WebCat") and allows blocking
of unwanted URLs. WebGuard supports only category 'Phishing' right now.
* ADD: WebGuard now provides a small download manager (slide up from system
tray). This should solve issues where users do not know if their request is
being processed.
* FIX: Timeout prevention in WebGuard has been improved. Users now should see
the SaveAs dialog much faster.
* ADD: MailGuard now supports scanning of outgoing emails. Please note that
SSL and TLS encrypted connections are not supported for obvious reasons.
* ADD: MailGuard has an internal Anti-MailBot detection included.
When correctly configured, this feature prevents other programs from sending
emails in user's name without the user's acknowledgement.
* ADD: Firewall templates now allow a simple and easy definition of exclusions
for specific tasks.
* ADD: Improved leak detection inside Firewall
* ADD: Firewall reduced the number of popup messages by automatically allowing
known software manufacturers
* ADD: Integrated Backup solution allows backup of personal data to mass
storage devices like USB hard disks, etc.
* ADD: System now allows differentiating between 'Detection updates' (this
updates all files which are essential for malware detection only) and
product updates. Detection updates are always loaded, product updates only
on demand (optionally)
* ADD: support for more languages. AntiVir is now available in the following
anguages: German, English, Russian, Italian, Spanish and French. Note that
the Classic Edition will NOT be available in all languages.
* ADD: Setup now allows some configuration of basic Firewall settings
* ADD: AntiSpam has an automatic self training mode which will improve
detection ratio and reduce false positives.
* ADD: reduced the memory footprint of Control Center and trayicon
* FIX: various crashes in Control Center
* ADD: The firewall supports activation/deactivation of the rules for each
adapter
* FIX: improved Outlook and Outlook Express address books import


As you can see it took 4 stages and all, went very well. The suite and the AV are top of the line products and those who already own will be very pleased. And those who dont, well, will be I think in a short time. I am very pleased with what they have done and it does pack a powerful punch.

[Wordward]

{QUOTE-> See post 78 :thumb: <-QUOTE}
Thank goodness I don't work around venomous snakes or I'd be dead. LOL. I didn't even see that post. Thanks rolarocka. It looks nice.

[Nike_P]

what have they improved and added on the FREE avira version?

[trjam]

the main thing I recall is the upgraded engine which in reality, all that counts isnt it.;)

[Thug21]

Unless you are one of those people that happen to like even more umbrellas in the GUI. ;)

I know I do. ;)


Nike_P,
I don't think the free version will have any more features. It will have the new engine, just like the paid one, though.

[pykko]

{QUOTE-> GUI and all that c=)
i want to know if i can get better protection against all nasties out there,
i just want to know if they have improved the detection rate, does anyone know some info about it? <-QUOTE}
Avira already has maybe the best protection around. ;) See all tests available: VB, av-comparatives, av-test.

[Makav3l1]

It has good detection with a fair amount of false positives. Let's hope this new engine helps address this issue.

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> It has good detection with a fair amount of false positives. Let's hope this new engine helps address this issue. <-QUOTE}

Actually it has great detection with a small number of false positives. I have never had an Avira FP in two years of use. My view is that real-world experience produces very few or no FPs, contrary to what some tests show.

[Boost]

{QUOTE-> It has good detection with a fair amount of false positives. Let's hope this new engine helps address this issue. <-QUOTE}

I have everything set to High and do not have false positives 8)

[alloucho]

The only big problem of avira antivir is his weakness in malware desinfection.:-\

[trjam]

{QUOTE-> The only big problem of avira antivir is his weakness in malware desinfection.:-\ <-QUOTE}
I think after this week, you need to replace the word "is" with "was".;)

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> I have everything set to High and do not have false positives 8) <-QUOTE}

Exactly my experience.

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> The only big problem of avira antivir is his weakness in malware desinfection.:-\ <-QUOTE}

Many AVs have that problem, but I am sure improvement will be forthcoming in Avira and the rest as well. After all, detection is most important, but you have to be able to remove the malware as well for it to be integrated properly.

[rolarocka]

Is the new version lighter on system resources? Whats your experiences with the beta?

[Banshee]

{QUOTE-> The only big problem of avira antivir is his weakness in malware desinfection.:-\ <-QUOTE}

I never had such a problem that I remember of.Avira always cleaned everything just fine here.Every time Avira found,and cleaned, stuff I ran a scan with SAS and also with other online services. Not 1 leftover.

[Waterfox]

{QUOTE-> Is the new version lighter on system resources? Whats your experiences with the beta? <-QUOTE}

Well, I don't know if it's even possible to make it any lighter than it already is.
Current version is by far the lightest AV I've ever had on my system (windows xp sp2) and I've tried many, believe me. :)

[rolarocka]

{QUOTE-> Well, I don't know if it's even possible to make it any lighter than it already is.
Current version is by far the lightest AV I've ever had on my system (windows xp sp2) and I've tried many, believe me. :) <-QUOTE}
Yes the current is lightweight. But new pretty GUIs allways slows things down for me thats why asked about the beta.

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> Yes the current is lightweight. But new pretty GUIs allways slows things down for me thats why asked about the beta. <-QUOTE}

On my laptop, I have tested the Avira Beta and it is fast- but not as fast as the latest Eset Smart Security (build 3.0.650.0) in terms of opening files, web pages, etc. Both are good choices, but as I said on my machine, Eset is about 20% faster.

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> Is the new version lighter on system resources? Whats your experiences with the beta? <-QUOTE}

About the same as the old version on my machine. On demand scanner is a little faster.

[rolarocka]

Thank you. Good to hear.

[rookieman]

I just hope that the M$ updates don't mess around with what would probrably be a decent upgrade that's all.:-[ Thanks Buck it sounds like it's as fast as v7.:thumb:

[hamesh]

Just got an email from Avira

Welcome to the release change newsletter from Avira. Read the new functionalities and features the new version has. The version change will take place on Tuesday, 8 April 2008.


AVIRA ANTIVIR DESKTOP SOLUTIONS FOR WINDOWS


The Avira release for Q1-2008 centers round the Avira AntiVir desktop solutions for Windows.

The products that belong to this product family (and the corresponding UNIX products) will be released with new
names. The target group for the respective product can be directly read from its product name:

The Avira AntiVir PersonalEdition Classic becomes the Avira AntiVir Personal - Free Antivirus, Avira AntiVir PersonalEdition Premium becomes the Avira AntiVir Premium and the Avira AntiVir Workstation becomes the Avira AntiVir Professional. Only the Avira Premium Security Suite keeps its name.

All Avira AntiVir desktop products for Windows have a new user interface. A new, vertical navigation structure groups the individual modules under a few main categories making it easier to find the way around the program. 3D effects let the actual information come forward more clearly and distinctly. The new version number 8 of the released products signals that a lot of things have been changed, not only on the surface but also "beneath the hood".

All Avira AntiVir Desktop products for Windows are released with a new, modularized AV-search engine that speeds up the scan performance by around 20 %. The new engine can be updated by a single file update. The updates are smaller and we are able to protect your system against new threats much quicker.

All Windows desktop products allow a separate update of the product. This product update can be performed independently from the engine and VDF update. As soon as a new product update is available the user will be informed through the taskbar slide-up.

Also new is the integrated failsafe-system that makes sure there is always a working set of engine and VDF available so that the PC is never without a virus and malware detection solution.

The AntiVir MailGuard now supports SMTP, i.e. the MailGuard now can not only scan incoming but also outgoing emails for infections.

Avira AntiVir Premium and Avira AntiVir Professional are delivered with the integrated WebGuard. WebGuard scans HTTP websites and blocks infected sites automatically. It provides excellent protection against, so called, drive-by downloads. It automatically blocks known phishing and malware websites.

The Avira Premium Security Suite's new version is more comprehensive and rounded: a new backup module allows easy and quick backup of data using predefined backup profiles. The size and destination of the backup can be individually configured and backups can be performed using the scheduler. The integrated firewall is easier to use and allows permitting signed applications as an option.

All AV 8 products that require a fee now support download and burn a Rescue CD directly from the product. The Rescue CD is based on the Avira AntiVir Rescue System that is updated sev eral times a day which allows the booting of a computer after a crash.

The new version 8 supports the Microsoft Windows Vista SP 1 that has just been released.


AVIRA SECURITY MANAGEMENT CENTER


With the Q1-2008 release Avira continues to optimize the SMC for use in large enterprise security
infrastructures.

The structure of the event database has been unified and enhanced. The SMC event database now defines in which situation the products send which events and how these events are structured. The structure of the event database has been published to allow the creation of individual reports using external reporting tools.

In the new version events are generated language independent, so that the SMC now fulfills the requirements to be used in mixed language networks.

Managing larger security environments can lead to considerable network traffic. Therefore it is now possible to configure the SMC agent to only transmit certain types of events to the SMC server, keeping network traffic to a minimum.

The new "search computer" feature simplifies the administration as it allow s the finding of single PCs or whole groups of PCs. It is possible to get a quick and targeted view of the security situation in certain sections of the network.


AVIRA INTERNET UPDATE MANAGER


The Internet Update Manager is a free-of-charge Avira tool that allows the mirroring of updates for all Avira security products locally. A new version of the Avira Internet Update Manager will be released a couple of weeks after the Q1 release. The new version is based on the Internet Update Manager that's part of the SMC and offers among other things a powerful webserver to distribute updates. Please note that an update from the old version of the IUM to the new one is not possible.

[RejZoR]

They still call it "search engine" rather than "scan engine"...

[lucas1985]

{QUOTE-> My view is that real-world experience produces very few or no FPs, contrary to what some tests show. <-QUOTE}
When you step outside of the "common software base" you can see FPs on a weekly basis with almost any AV/AM.

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> When you step outside of the "common software base" you can see FPs on a weekly basis with almost any AV/AM. <-QUOTE}

I do not agree. We have 77 computers in a high risk environment with all Avira setttings on high and have never had a FP with Avira or any of the other 7 AVs we use.

[Kees1958]

I am curious how it will run on Vista64 on mult cores. Any one of the beta testers know?

[trjam]

{QUOTE-> I am curious how it will run on Vista64 on mult cores. Any one of the beta testers know? <-QUOTE}
Kees, as smooth as 32 bit.

[mnosteele]

I'm glad to see that they are making this an automatic update, others here are complaining about this but I wish every vendor did this. It makes it much easier to keep clients up to date with the latest versions of software that have the latest and most improved features. SUPERAnti-Spyware does this without a single issue so I think some people here should a little faith in Avira's programmers that this with work without any problems. I'm excited to try this new release.

:)

[Macstorm]

{QUOTE-> I'm glad to see that they are making this an automatic update, others here are complaining about this but I wish every vendor did this. It makes it much easier to keep clients up to date with the latest versions of software that have the latest and most improved features. SUPERAnti-Spyware does this without a single issue so I think some people here should a little faith in Avira's programmers that this with work without any problems. I'm excited to try this new release.

:) <-QUOTE}
What is good for ones can be bad for others..
Mele where are you? :D

[Leo2005]

{QUOTE-> What is good for ones can be bad for others..
Mele where are you? :D <-QUOTE}
i think mele will like the new feature in version 8 to disable antivir to auto update its program files ;)
so the next time, there shouldn't be this discussion anymore.

[Jadda]

If it is such a problem with updating through the program, just uninstall it before the update arrives. Or turn off updates for some hours, so the program does not updates itself. Or do you think you will be hit by a virus, if you turn it off? Geez. What's the problem? It sounds like the world is going under.

[Macstorm]

{QUOTE-> If it is such a problem with updating through the program, just uninstall it before the update arrives. Or turn off updates for some hours, so the program does not updates itself. <-QUOTE}
My suggestions exactly, posts ago.

[Victek123]

Since Avira appears to be located in Germany do they release their updates at a particular time in the German time zone?

[Leo2005]

{QUOTE-> Since Avira appears to be located in Germany do they release their updates at a particular time in the German time zone? <-QUOTE}well normally it should be in the afternoon, but we never know.

[mllopes]

Since avira has in V8 webguard, if i want to use it in conjunction with OnlineArmor, should i enable in onlinearmor the "intercept lopback interface"?
Thank you

Mário

[MaB69]

Hi,

If v8 Webguard works like in V7 by proxying connection then the answer is yes :-[

Regards,

MaB

[mllopes]

{QUOTE-> Hi,

If v8 Webguard works like in V7 by proxying connection then the answer is yes :-[

Regards,

MaB <-QUOTE}


I am talking about antivirus only(version 7 didnt have webguard), but if it works by proxying i will not install/activate webguard in this new version then.:(

[rolarocka]

I am pretty sure you can disable Webguard at the installation.

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> I am pretty sure you can disable Webguard at the installation. <-QUOTE}

You can disable several modules at or after installation. You go to add/remove programs and you can load or unload various modules.

[Diver]

{QUOTE-> Since Avira appears to be located in Germany do they release their updates at a particular time in the German time zone? <-QUOTE}

Cant wait eh?

I bet they have some way of phasing the upgrades by ip address to avoid overloading their servers.

[Trespasser]

I can't wait, either. Avira is a great antivirus. My favorite. :).

[Nike_P]

are you guys 100% sure it will be released today the 8th April?

[Diver]

There is another thread in this forum about a different AV that has a web scanner that tends to slow things down some some of their users are angry at the suggestion that they disable it. Here someone asks if he has to install it. Such is life.

[mnosteele]

{QUOTE-> are you guys 100% sure it will be released today the 8th April? <-QUOTE}

According to their newsletter, yes.

:)

[Tommy]

Regarding a thread on Avira's Board, the release can be delayed.
Be patient folks :)

[argus tuft]

{QUOTE-> I am pretty sure you can disable Webguard at the installation. <-QUOTE}

Does anyone know how this will work in an update situation? ie, will it automatically be enabled?

[FRug]

If things are as with previous "extension upgrades", it will ask after a reboot whether you want to install the new components or not.

[Mele20]

{QUOTE-> If it is such a problem with updating through the program, just uninstall it before the update arrives. Or turn off updates for some hours, so the program does not updates itself. Or do you think you will be hit by a virus, if you turn it off? Geez. What's the problem? It sounds like the world is going under. <-QUOTE}

Yes, I uninstalled it last night.

I simply dislike ANY software that updates on its own. First thing I do with XP is go to Services and disable auto updating. I never vist Windows Updates either. I wait for my email from Microsoft each month with the list of patches and then I read each Security Bulletin and MS Knowledge Base article and then I download to disk (from MS Download Center) each patch. I install one patch and use the computer for awhile. If everything seems ok, then I install the next patch, etc.

I can see where autoupgrading and auto product updates within a version would be useful in the corporate world but I think it was a poor idea to put this in the home versions. What we need is the ability to scan our networks and that for some inexplicable reason is available only for businesses. There are so many things that would have really enhanced Avira 8 and we got not a single one of them.

[Mele20]

{QUOTE-> I am talking about antivirus only(version 7 didnt have webguard), but if it works by proxying i will not install/activate webguard in this new version then.:( <-QUOTE}

Yes, it works by proxy. I use the Proxomitron and daisey chaining two proxies has never worked for me. I left my favorite cookie handler application (first software I ever bought) many years ago when they rewrote the program and moved to a proxy handling of cookies. Chained to Proxo it slowed my internet horribly.

With the beta, and this may not be true for the release version, disabling or uninstalling the webguard module did not work right. Disabling it still crippled my speed and uninstalling it had no effect either. My speed was still poor. I had to uninstall beta 8 and then reinstall and choose, at the beginning of the install, to NOT INSTALL the webguard. So, the safest thing is to just not install that module in the beginning. You might be able to disable it and have it actually be disabled but it didn't disable for me even though it said was disabled. This was about midway through the beta. After that I didn't install it so the problem I had with it not disabling properly, and not uninstalling correctly either, may have been fixed later in the beta. Not everyone had that problem either.

[innerpeace]

{QUOTE-> Yes, I uninstalled it last night. <-QUOTE}
:blink: Geez, all I did was make a back-up. I also update everything manually so I will check the boards before I update tomorrow. If the screaming isn't too bad, then I will update Avira. If it borks my system, then I will restore my backup :).

[Stijnson]

I'm currently using NOD2.7 and WinXP firewall. I'm thinking about switching to Avira when my license for NOD runs out, but I've been reading some things about Avira's new Webguard that leaves me with some questions.

Like NODv3, Avira Webguard uses proxying, am I right?
I've been reading posts by NODv3 users that this proxying messes with their SW firewall (and I am assuming that Avira's Webguard will cause similar problems?)

My question is if it also interferes with WinXP firewall? Or could I run the new Avira (and then even NODv3) with Webguard without too much trouble?

[MaB69]

{QUOTE-> I am talking about antivirus only(version 7 didnt have webguard), but if it works by proxying i will not install/activate webguard in this new version then.:( <-QUOTE}

I was talking about v7 security suite

MaB

[Leo2005]

for Users of the suite on Vista 64 bit. please uninstall the version 7 and install the new version when it is available. otherwise the firewall will not work after the update.
btw the release will not take part today.
it will be in the next days.

[GmG]

{QUOTE->
Hi Everybody!

The Q1 release scheduled for today must be postponed due to a last minute bug.

New release date is wednesday or thursday, depends on the outcome of the retesting.

__________________
Beste Grüße aus Tettnang!

Oliver Grbavac
Personal Support

Avira GmbH
<-QUOTE}

http://forum.avira.com/thread.php?threadid=35814&page=2

[Diver]

The solution for bugs is to wear pointy shoes so you can squash them in the corners. Why did I expect a delay?

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> The solution for bugs is to wear pointy shoes so you can squash them in the corners. Why did I expect a delay? <-QUOTE}

Who cares if there is a delay? Beta testing of the Security Suite for me showed some new features (like backup). Scan speed about the same. Firewall finally stealths all ports. Other than that, no big deal and changes not major.

[Jadda]

From Avira forum:

"Hi Everybody! The Q1 release scheduled for today must be postponed due to a last minute bug. New release date is wednesday or thursday, depends on the outcome of the retesting."

[Victek123]

Just saw this announcement on the avira forum...

"Hi Everybody!

The Q1 release scheduled for today must be postponed due to a last minute bug.

New release date is Wednesday or Thursday, depends on the outcome of the retesting.

__________________
Beste Grüße aus Tettnang!

Oliver Grbavac
Personal Support

Avira GmbH"

[iwod]

will AVIRA 8 Free edition have the same update system?

I.e a pop up of Ads ?

[Leo2005]

{QUOTE-> will AVIRA 8 Free edition have the same update system?

I.e a pop up of Ads ? <-QUOTE}yes. but the default settings will be a bit different.

[Nike_P]

so for those who use free version not much will change expect the GUI right? :P

[Leo2005]

{QUOTE-> so for those who use free version not much will change expect the GUI right? :P <-QUOTE}yes there are not so muc new functions.
the changes for the classic:
- better selfprotection
- new failsafe system for cases update fails
- udpater is now able to detect blocked servers and gives error message if update isn't possible because of that. (calssic users does not have to wait anymore about 20 minutes to get this message, it will come in a few seconds) it proposes to try again in a few minutes (did not see this feature but shouldbe there)
- updates are divided in detection and program updates (last ones are disabled on classic version per default)
well i think thats all ;)

and now for all. the AV 8 will delay again on a longer time then 2 days.

[Kees1958]

What has happened to German gründlichkeit? ;)

[Nike_P]

{QUOTE-> yes there are not so muc new functions.
the changes for the classic:
- better selfprotection
- new failsafe system for cases update fails
- udpater is now able to detect blocked servers and gives error message if update isn't possible because of that. (calssic users does not have to wait anymore about 20 minutes to get this message, it will come in a few seconds) it proposes to try again in a few minutes (did not see this feature but shouldbe there)
- updates are divided in detection and program updates (last ones are disabled on classic version per default)
well i think thats all ;)

and now for all. the AV 8 will delay again on a longer time then 2 days. <-QUOTE}


nothing about higher detection rate from old ver7 to v8?

[Jadda]

Isn't it high enough?

:P

[Leo2005]

{QUOTE-> nothing about higher detection rate from old ver7 to v8? <-QUOTE}well it will have the same engine as premium and suite, so yes the detection should be better then on version 7.

[Diver]

The good news is if you were worried about updating your AV on Patch Tuesday, and having something go wrong as a result, you can now get through Patch Tuesday on version 7 of Avira with some confidence that Patch Tuesday did not clobber your machine.


"and now for all. the AV 8 will delay again on a longer time then 2 days"

This is what happens when the brain works in German, but the desired result is in English.

I suggest anyone who is having to wait this out change their wallpaper to make things a bit more pleasant.

[Mele20]

{QUOTE-> From Avira forum:

"Hi Everybody! The Q1 release scheduled for today must be postponed due to a last minute bug. New release date is wednesday or thursday, depends on the outcome of the retesting." <-QUOTE}

Just posted in the Avira forum that ver 8 will not be available until next week.

[Stijnson]

{QUOTE-> I'm currently using NOD2.7 and WinXP firewall. I'm thinking about switching to Avira when my license for NOD runs out, but I've been reading some things about Avira's new Webguard that leaves me with some questions.

Like NODv3, Avira Webguard uses proxying, am I right?
I've been reading posts by NODv3 users that this proxying messes with their SW firewall (and I am assuming that Avira's Webguard will cause similar problems?)

My question is if it also interferes with WinXP firewall? Or could I run the new Avira (and then even NODv3) with Webguard without too much trouble? <-QUOTE}

Anyone?

[hamesh]

{QUOTE-> Just posted in the Avira forum that ver 8 will not be available until next week. <-QUOTE}

doesn't it mean this Wednesday or Thursday? not next week.

[Technic]

Originally posted by Oliver Grbavac

"Hi Everybody! The Q1 release scheduled for today must be postponed due to a last minute bug. New release date is wednesday or thursday, depends on the outcome of the retesting."

TODAY means yesterday...so it will be released date is today or tomorrow.

[hamesh]

{QUOTE-> " Hello Kevin,

Actually, the release was postponed until next Monday due to some last-minute bugs. So you can download it on Tuesday or Monday evening.
When it will be available through the updater, you will also be able to download the latest installation package.

Best regards,
Radu " <-QUOTE}

that was posted today on the avira forums.

[ugly]

IMO AVIRA prematurely ended betatest program ( how about a RC version ? ) and now there are chances they release a final version with undiscovered bugs.

[trjam]

Hi Ugly, naice name. It isnt a bug in the since of the beta not be testing correctly and something that is a bug in the new version. It is more a GUI fix then anything else. So you might want to check before you jump down someones throat.

[Mele20]

There are at least three persons connected to Avira stating it is "multiple bugs". Nothing about the GUI. I agree, beta was ended too soon. I never got a response from Avira on any bug I submitted including the one that was nasty toward the end that involved my nVidia driver and BSODs. I recall the last time Avira released upgrades and people with nVidia cards and boards had problems. That bug would have been found if Avira would just have a public beta so anyone could download the beta...like Kaspersky does. Same sort of situation here. Avira needs to expand the beta to anyone who wants to do it. No signing up and getting approved. Just have the beta available to anyone to just download with no fuss and bother.

[ugly]

{QUOTE-> Hi Ugly, naice name. It isnt a bug in the since of the beta not be testing correctly and something that is a bug in the new version. It is more a GUI fix then anything else. So you might want to check before you jump down someones throat. <-QUOTE}

Come on ...............you make me feel like a criminal. :lurking:
As I said it's just my personal opinion.

PS Thank you. I know ugly is nice. ;D

[Diver]

It looks like Avira will allow downloads of the stand alone installer before V 8 goes to automatic update. Its a good idea just in case there are remaining bugs this gives a chance for them to be squashed before the new version is pushed out to everyone.

Some members of this forum are really getting bent out of shape over this deal. Its not worth it.

[berng]

{QUOTE-> IMO AVIRA prematurely ended betatest program ( how about a RC version ? ) and now there are chances they release a final version with undiscovered bugs. <-QUOTE}
Makes me wonder.

They did have this long beta run and then a day before they find multiple show stopper bugs.

Considering they are show stoppers, I'm surprised they weren't found during the Beta tests.

[trjam]

It’s a conspiracy I tell ya, a conspiracy!:dry:

Better to delay a release for a new found bug, then to release one with a bunch of bugs.:dry:

[berng]

{QUOTE-> There are at least three persons connected to Avira stating it is "multiple bugs". Nothing about the GUI. I agree, beta was ended too soon. I never got a response from Avira on any bug I submitted including the one that was nasty toward the end that involved my nVidia driver and BSODs. I recall the last time Avira released upgrades and people with nVidia cards and boards had problems. That bug would have been found if Avira would just have a public beta so anyone could download the beta...like Kaspersky does. Same sort of situation here. Avira needs to expand the beta to anyone who wants to do it. No signing up and getting approved. Just have the beta available to anyone to just download with no fuss and bother. <-QUOTE}
I agree it should be open. But maybe they don't have the resources to deal with 1000's of testers.

You were doing them a favor by doing their testing. As a matter of courtesy, they should have responded to your Nvidia bug report especially since this was a limited test.

[trjam]

I totally disagree. Every vendor has their way of beta testing. And the reality is, they can set it up anyway they wish. It is their right just it is your right to either test, purchase or dump their product. Really a lot more is being made of this then makes sense to me.

Oh and Mele, you didnt ride a white horse on providing constructive feedback for the entire beta either. So just remember, no one or no thing is infallible.

[fredra]

{QUOTE-> I totally disagree. Every vendor has their way of beta testing. And the reality is, they can set it up anyway they wish. It is their right just it is your right to either test, purchase or dump their product. Really a lot more is being made of this then makes sense to me.
<-QUOTE}

It does't make any sense to me either, it seems that it is a storm in a teacup. The cake will be provided to all, when it is ready, :)
Cheers ;D

[BuzzStone]

Well, for anyone who reads Wilders, this is the norm, trash any release. It has happened (and still ongoing) with Nod32, Comodo etc. If they release the product, it's a screw-up, if they delay the product, it's a screw-up, if they update the product after a release, it's a screw-up, it just goes round and round. It does make for a good read and a good laugh though.

[Macstorm]

{QUOTE-> Just posted in the Avira forum that ver 8 will not be available until next week. <-QUOTE}
Yeah. on 14th Monday exactly.

[Killtek]

Does anyone know what the bugs are? Seems strange that they just discovered them after four beta releases. Vista SP1 related maybe?

[Nike_P]

dont understand why those folks cant just wait :P
It is better to release a Stable product then a Unstable right? :ehh, ;)

[Thug21]

I'm happy they are delaying it a bit rather than release it with some known bugs.

As to why they found bugs so late in the game, maybe that did some last minute testing. If so, I'm glad they did. ;)

[LoneWolf]

I agree, however long it takes to release a stable/bug free version. ;D
Nice to know it's right around the corner though. :thumb:

[Boost]

{QUOTE-> Well, for anyone who reads Wilders, this is the norm, trash any release. It has happened (and still ongoing) with Nod32, Comodo etc. If they release the product, it's a screw-up, if they delay the product, it's a screw-up, if they update the product after a release, it's a screw-up, it just goes round and round. It does make for a good read and a good laugh though. <-QUOTE}

LMAO

Yup, for security software,some people take it abit too far. Leads me to believe certain people on here need a hobbie to get away from the ol' puter and not worry so much:)

[Solaris]

{QUOTE-> Yup, for security software,some people take it abit too far. Leads me to believe certain people on here need a hobbie to get away from the ol' puter and not worry so much:) <-QUOTE}
;D ..... yes, 100% agree. ;)

[duke1959]

{QUOTE-> LMAO

Yup, for security software,some people take it abit too far. Leads me to believe certain people on here need a hobbie to get away from the ol' puter and not worry so much:) <-QUOTE}

Leave me out of this. LOL.

[Tommy]

Yes, yes security applications can change our life. ROFL

[Diver]

They should wait until the 15th so most of us in the USA are done with our taxes, LOL.

[19monty64]

With the last few version updates, I had problems for a week or two, so I'll definitely hold off on version 8 'til May anyway. Remember the root-kit detector, I still can't install that. Not bashing though, it's great to see they're making AntiVir even better... ;D ;D ;D

[Nike_P]

{QUOTE-> With the last few version updates, I had problems for a week or two, so I'll definitely hold off on version 8 'til May anyway. Remember the root-kit detector, I still can't install that. Not bashing though, it's great to see they're making AntiVir even better... ;D ;D ;D <-QUOTE}

Same here, i have Vista and i had some issue with Avira AntiVir latest 2 weeks.
I cant wait until they release ver8.

[Boost]

{QUOTE-> With the last few version updates, I had problems for a week or two, so I'll definitely hold off on version 8 'til May anyway. Remember the root-kit detector, I still can't install that. Not bashing though, it's great to see they're making AntiVir even better... ;D ;D ;D <-QUOTE}

Also havin problems with the rootkit scan being enabled. When not enabled,the scan finishes 100%

[rookieman]

{QUOTE-> Same here, i have Vista and i had some issue with Avira AntiVir latest 2 weeks.
I cant wait until they release ver8. <-QUOTE}
I lost my icon for it in the tray.I'm assuming it was still running??? I rebooted and it reappeared with no problems since.Perhaps v8 will take care of it like you said.This is with Vista also.

[Nike_P]

well my avg..... .exe works more then 80% and sometimes the Vista keep frozing and i cant touch anything or do anything i must re-start the PC.
it feels some little bug and incompatible Vista with Avira ver7.
Anyone else expiring this?

[Trespasser]

{QUOTE-> well my avg..... .exe works more then 80% and sometimes the Vista keep frozing and i cant touch anything or do anything i must re-start the PC.
it feels some little bug and incompatible Vista with Avira ver7.
Anyone else expiring this? <-QUOTE}

You running SP1 with your Vista?

[Nike_P]

{QUOTE-> You running SP1 with your Vista? <-QUOTE}

the problem is i dont know if i have Vista SP1 on my PC or not, how should i check that?
thnx.

[Jadda]

Type "winver" in the startmenu search.

[Nike_P]

well i dont see anywhere on: "Winver" there where its written about SP1 or ServicePack1, can anyone give a screenshot how it shows that they have SP1 on "Winver" ?

[Macstorm]

{QUOTE-> well i dont see anywhere on: "Winver" there where its written about SP1 or ServicePack1, can anyone give a screenshot how it shows that they have SP1 on "Winver" ? <-QUOTE}
just click the main 'start' button, type 'winver' and hit the 'enter' key. You'll see "build 6001:Service Pack 1" if you have it installed.

[Trespasser]

Or go to Control Panel>System. If you're running SP1 it will show there.

[Nike_P]

is that the reason why my PC freeze sometimes? because i dont have SP1?
or could it also be because of Avira ver7?
thanks guys.

[Diver]

If the rootkit scan gives you trouble, turn it off and use gmer. This should be good enough for the time being.

[Trespasser]

{QUOTE-> is that the reason why my PC freeze sometimes? because i dont have SP1?
or could it also be because of Avira ver7?
thanks guys. <-QUOTE}

I don't know why your computer freezes using version 7 but no that's not the reason. Version 7 ran excellent on my Vista but of course that was before I installed SP1. I would expect that version 7 would have trouble running under SP1.

[Nike_P]

but will i be able to download SP1 thru the WindowsUpdate or must i manuly download it?

avira..

[Diver]

{QUOTE-> but will i be able to download SP1 thru the WindowsUpdate or must i manuly download it?

avira.. <-QUOTE}

Vista SP1 is available on windows update. However, there are a few HD audio drivers that will prevent its installation, if you have them. Unfortunately these drivers are rather common and the OEM's that distributed them with new computers (especially Sony) have been slow to make official updates available.

[mnosteele]

I can confirm that there is no issue with Antivir7 with Vista or Vista with SP1. I have installed this setup on many computers without a single issue. Most likely the issue is with a specific driver or other software installation rather than Vista itself.

:)

[Macstorm]

{QUOTE-> Vista SP1 is available on windows update. However, there are a few HD audio drivers that will prevent its installation, if you have them. Unfortunately these drivers are rather common and the OEM's that distributed them with new computers (especially Sony) have been slow to make official updates available. <-QUOTE}
I didn't know that :wacko:
Fortunately i didn't have any problem with SP1 and my Vaio laptop regarding to the audio drivers..
(sry for off topic)

[ankupan]

Hi,

I installed Avira on my laptop and desktop, it is running great. Even speed is good too.

[Nike_P]

So will avira ver8 be released at the 14:th April at Monday? or not?

Can anyone confirm this?

[cet]

NikeP check this out.
http://www.avira.com/en/support/kbdetails.php?id=286

You have to use a hotfix in order to use SP1 with antivir 7.

[Nike_P]

{QUOTE-> NikeP check this out.
http://www.avira.com/en/support/kbdetails.php?id=286

You have to use a hotfix in order to use SP1 with antivir 7. <-QUOTE}

thanks, but i dont have SP1 on my PC yet.
So i will wait until ver8 comes out and then i will fix SP1.
But anyone that know for sure when ver8 avira will be released?

[Xenophobe]

I got infected while running Avira Premium (had to reformat) without visiting shady sites; I uninstalled.

[GES/POR]

{QUOTE-> I got infected while running Avira Premium (had to reformat) without visiting shady sites; I uninstalled. <-QUOTE}

What does that have to do with the topic thread?

[Xenophobe]

{QUOTE-> What does that have to do with the topic thread? <-QUOTE}
I'm sorry, that was off-topic. Just not happy. :P

Edit: Others posted their experience with Avira and it wasn't thought to be off-topic.

[Macstorm]

{QUOTE-> I got infected while running Avira Premium (had to reformat) without visiting shady sites; I uninstalled. <-QUOTE}
mmm.. days ago i've had a similar experience with my neighbour's computer but it wasn't a serious damage though.
I've helped him with the cleaning and i ended up blaming him for the infection. It seems that he ignored the Avira alerts :ouch:

what malware you had? just curious..

[Thug21]

Unfortunately, no AV is 100 percent and that includes Avira. Going to shady sites and relying on just an AV isn't enough these days.

[rookieman]

{QUOTE-> NikeP check this out.
http://www.avira.com/en/support/kbdetails.php?id=286

You have to use a hotfix in order to use SP1 with antivir 7. <-QUOTE}
If I read this correctly you must wait on sp1 to install the new v8.What happens if you've already got sp1 installed????

[Xenophobe]

{QUOTE-> mmm.. days ago i've had a similar experience with my neighbour's computer but it wasn't a serious damage though.
I've helped him with the cleaning and i ended up blaming him for the infection. It seems that he ignored the Avira alerts :ouch:

what malware you had? just curious.. <-QUOTE}
I'm not sure. I was actually testing a LUA w/ SuRun setup (Avira was still running) and a "restart required" Windows Update dialog showed up without downloading/installing updates. Upon restart, Avira crashed and the internet connection was disabled and unrepairable.

[FRug]

If you're "experimenting" with a tool that hooks god knows what in your OS and interferes with access rights, and suddenly things get messed up after an installation of system updates, I'd not be as quick to blame your AV software for the issues that arise :)

[Xenophobe]

{QUOTE-> If you're "experimenting" with a tool that hooks god knows what in your OS and interferes with access rights, and suddenly things get messed up after an installation of system updates, I'd not be as quick to blame your AV software for the issues that arise :) <-QUOTE}
That's true, but the "Repair" button in the local area connction's properties was disabled, and there wasn't an option to restart later in the update prompt.

[Nike_P]

so does anybody know if avira ver8 will be released tomorrow Monday?
because i belive thats what somone said here.

[trjam]

If the issue at hand
Has been corrected by man
Then I feel it is safe to say
That it will be a glorious day

So prepare for the release
As the servers are unleashed
As you crawl out of your bed
The sky will be inked in umbrella red

[fredra]

{QUOTE-> If the issue at hand
Has been corrected by man
Then I feel it is safe to say
That it will be a glorious day

So prepare for the release
As the servers are unleashed
As you crawl out of your bed
The sky will be inked in umbrella red <-QUOTE}

trjam is now the Poet Laureate ;D ;D

[19monty64]

I know I've had probs before, but I don't know if I'll be able to wait 'til May to try ver.8... I remember when 7 came out. Couldn't dLo it fast enough.... ;D ;D ;D

[rolarocka]

{QUOTE-> If the issue at hand
Has been corrected by man
Then I feel it is safe to say
That it will be a glorious day

So prepare for the release
As the servers are unleashed
As you crawl out of your bed
The sky will be inked in umbrella red <-QUOTE}
lol someone´s in love

[Nike_P]

{QUOTE-> I know I've had probs before, but I don't know if I'll be able to wait 'til May to try ver.8... I remember when 7 came out. Couldn't dLo it fast enough.... ;D ;D ;D <-QUOTE}

What? May? i thought they said it will be released on Monday at the: 14th April?
Isn't this true?

[19monty64]

{QUOTE-> What? May? i thought they said it will be released on Monday at the: 14th April?
Isn't this true? <-QUOTE}
No....I was going to wait 'til May to install....just to avoid any "bugs"...

[Diver]

Oh wow, Monday. Just go to sleep here in the USA and it will be Monday afternoon in Germany when I get up. Can't wait for the latest bugs, LOL.

[Bluenile]

I wonder if the web scanner loopback problem will appear when used with Comodo. If so the webscanner is getting uninstalled here.

[The_Duality]

I probably won't install the web scanner component - iv gotten used to running an AV without one.

[De Hollander]

{QUOTE-> lol someone´s in love <-QUOTE}

For the first time ??? ;D :P

[Trespasser]

{QUOTE-> trjam is now the Poet Laureate ;D ;D <-QUOTE}

No. Sounds more like a verse that Underdog (you know...There's no need to fear...Underdog is here) would come up with.

:).

Later...

[Bluenile]

Dawn will soon be breaking over Avira-Land.

[DVD+R]

12:30 pm, in Deutchland 8) And No sign of The New Release :-\ Das Ist Nicht Richtig :(

[trjam]

Actually the clock just started ticking.;)

[Nike_P]

well i belive we have the same time as the Germany and the clock is about to be 13:00 here and still nothing from them.
Has anyone contact the support or the forum of Avira?

[trjam]

well the last update I just got updated 27 files and was rather large.

[Nike_P]

but those 27 files, then when you open avira does it show diffrient GUI ?
anyone have some news from them when it will be released?

[Bluenile]

2-3pm German time (so in around an hour)?

http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_DE.aspx ;D

[Leo2005]

{QUOTE-> well i belive we have the same time as the Germany and the clock is about to be 13:00 here and still nothing from them.
Has anyone contact the support or the forum of Avira? <-QUOTE}please be patient. it takes a little time to upload all files. if everything works fine it should be available today.

[Nike_P]

ooh, i knew the time is like here, because i live near Germany, but is there any proof from avira that they will release avira ver8 today ??
anyone?

[De Hollander]

Patience is a virtue....

(refering to the release date)

[ronjor]

Several posts removed. Please do not respond to bad posts and instead, report them.

[Eagle Creek]

I would like to ask everybody to go back on topic right now and then there's no need to close this thread.
This thread is about the release of AVIRA 8 and not about other things. Asking about people's age or sexual orientation isn't relevant, and if you think it is you can ask it using the PM system.