well i thought i could go back to nero 8...

[zfactor]

but i own a legit paid version and i decided to install nero micro since ALL I WANT IS THE BURNING ROM.. arghhhhhh.. anyway.. i install my key and every maybe 2 or 3 start ups it says my key is not legit.. what the hell?? i email ahead they ask for my key and they say it is legit nothing wrong with it.. they issue me a new key

about 2 weeks go by and now i get the same thing again now i cant even open the program at all even like before if i just kept trying it would eventually open now its locked on the "key not valid" screen... forget nero for good this time im fed up..

i know i asked a while back about alternatives.

i did not like really any of the free ones.. imo they all lacked one feature or another..

all i need is the burning rom from nero and id be set since i use other programs for the rest of the jobs.. is there a paid burning program that has anywhere near the options and quality of consistant burns as nero does.. ashampoo would be my pick if i could manually write track names to audio tracks... that one reason is why i keep uninstalling it.. i wish they would change that already...i dont care who it is or honestly at this point what it costs if it can do what i want.. i even own a paid version of gear pro.. 99$ it is a fantastic burning engine but lacks any kind of features which nero has .. it doesnt even tell you how much space the added files are going to take up on the disc until you click burn then it simply says there is not enough space.. for a 99$ program that is supposed to be as highly regarded as gear is it lacks A LOT..

please throw out some things for me to try out.. again as close to a nero engine as possible would be awesome.. thanks again

[WSFuser]

What programs have you tried so far? So we dont recommend them repeatedly.

[zfactor]

well.. infra, img burn, gear pro, nero, ashampoo, oront, and a ton of others i honetly dont even remember.. i just want the interface of nero (style wise none of this point and click junk i want full control over my session), and the options it bring (just from the burning rom itself not the recode and everything else i dont need any of that stuff)...

please throw some things out there minus what ive stated above even if i may have already tried them ill do it again since i tried so many i just dont remember now.. hope i missed a great thing out there but i doubt it..

[forty]

Copy To DVD by VSO works well for me. Good Luck!

[zfactor]

it seems to basic though .. is it not??

[forty]

It has a full version trial I think you might like it. It does everything I expect in a burning program. Rocky

[zfactor]

hmm looks okay ill have to try it out and see .. the screenshots are not to impressive but as long as it can do as much as nero can doesnt matter i guess

[WSFuser]

Some more suggestions:

CDBurnerXP (http://cdburnerxp.se/)
BurnAware (http://www.glorylogic.com/overview-home.html) (try the trial for Home edition since it has more features)
Romeo Burner (http://www.romeoburner.com/)

[zfactor]

romeo looks very interesting do you know any more about that one?? any idea how large it is once installed??

[zfactor]

also with the burnaware does anyone know the differences between the free and home editions?? i know ive tried the free one but not the home version and im not sure what the free one was missing

[kC_]

nero 6.6 (last good version of nero imho, everything after that = bloated, buggy trash)
img burn


thats all i ever use

[zfactor]

i run vista so i cant use 6.6 or trust me i would be that was the last one i really liked

[WSFuser]

Heres the comparison chart for BurnAware (http://www.glorylogic.com/comparison.html).

[zfactor]

awesome thanks for that the home version seems to have everything in it... ill def give it another go as well

[DVD+R]

Why dont you just do a fresh install of Nero 8 and use custom installation, and just uncheck what you dont want installed :doubt:

[Dieselman]

Nero is bloated. I switched years ago to Ashampoo Burning Studio. They also offer free versions for life if you keep your eyes out.

[zfactor]

as i said it lacks in one thing i need it to do and thats allowing me to edit track names

even doing a fresh install of nero 8 it still loads all kinds of junk all over vista and is nearly impossible to uninstall even thier removal tool does not fully work..

and iregardless the issues i have will not be solved by doing that

[zfactor]

for now i have went back to nero 7 till i find something i can actually use (and i paid for nero 8 ... )

[Espresso]

Download nero Micro. ::)

http://updatepack.nl/nero-8-micro/

[zfactor]

did you not read my first post??

[Espresso]

Have you tried Nero Micro? I had key problems with the full version as well, but the micro installation has worked without a hitch.

[WSFuser]

-{ Quote: "i decided to install nero micro since ALL I WANT IS THE BURNING ROM.. arghhhhhh.. anyway.. i install my key and every maybe 2 or 3 start ups it says my key is not legit.. what the hell?? i email ahead they ask for my key and they say it is legit nothing wrong with it.. they issue me a new key

about 2 weeks go by and now i get the same thing again now i cant even open the program at all even like before if i just kept trying it would eventually open now its locked on the "key not valid" screen... forget nero for good this time im fed up.. " }-
and a previous quote:
-{ Quote: "-{ Quote: "Try using nero micro. Its fantastic - has the great nero burning engine without all of the bloat." }-does not work properly with the drives in my laptops it will not allow track at once burning which sucks i only have the option of disc at once..full version of nero works fine so its not the drive.." }-
So yes zfactor has in fact tried Nero Micro.

[markymoo]

i don't know what features you exactly want but ImgBurn that you tried does alot. Simple and bloat free. Here are the guides.

http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showforum=4

The new version just released has
-{ Quote: "
Support for multi-session/track CD reading/burning (*using a CUE file - this includes Audio CD's from anything DirectShow/ACM can handle - AAC/APE/FLAC/MP3/MPC/OGG/PCM/WAV/WMA etc)." }-

:D

[WSFuser]

Well ImgBurn does support CD Text like you want zfactor.

[zfactor]

well then i may have another go at it the cd audio side of it was what was lacking for me last time around..now what about dvd support. can i burn vob files as a video dvd and do dvd audio etc with the new version..??

[WSFuser]

Yes it can create video DVDs from a VIDEO_TS folder.

[Espresso]

-{ Quote: "and a previous quote:

So yes zfactor has in fact tried Nero Micro." }-

oops. :-[

[zfactor]

no biggie man just that i have issues with nero and as well with nero lite/micro. i can not get them to run for more than a few uses before it tells me my key is no good which i bought from ahead directly and cust support also issued me abrand new key after MUCH arguing on the phone with them.. and trust me i will not go through that again their cust suport imo stinks..

i can simply close the program and re-open it a bunch of times and eventually it will let me use it for maybe one or two uses then back to the same thing again.. no thanks. i LOVE ashampoo just wish it was a bit more advanced instead of simple click and go.. those programs are not what i like. i want full control over what im doing though click and go is nice for simple tasks which is why i keep ashampoo installed anyway. im going to spend some time with imgburn this weekend again to try the newest version and see how well it works. i remember though i had some burning issues with it last time around and i got a number of coasters that burned fine with nero or ashampoo or even gear, so ill have to test it before i rely on it for important burns..

but nero once again killed my vista upon uninstalling nero.. i literally had to format and reinstall losing a LOT of stuff i needed and due to a issue with acronis i could not restore my image of that drive so nero is out from her on never again and ill always suggest the same to anyone else

[zfactor]

hmm imgburn is decent no doubt..

id really like something closer to nero's layout though.. im not really fond of this layout.. ill prob use imgburn till i find something else..

any other suggestions??

[HAN]

If you have .NET Framework 2.0 on board, IMO it's tough to beat the already mentioned CDBurnerXP. It's not perfect but it's pretty flexible...
http://cdburnerxp.se/

[WSFuser]

Roxio Easy Media Creator (http://www.roxio.com/)

NTI CD&DVD-Maker (http://www.ntius.com/)

Cheetah DVD Burner (http://www.cheetahburner.com/)

Sateira CD&DVD Burner (http://www.sateira.com/)

AV Burning Studio (http://www.rmbsoft.com/avb.asp)

Ultimate CD/DVD Burner (http://www.mispbo.com/burner.htm)

Free Easy CD DVD Burner (http://www.koyotesoft.com/indexEn.html)

[zfactor]

-{ Quote: "Roxio Easy Media Creator (http://www.roxio.com/)

just as bloated as nero ---

NTI CD&DVD-Maker (http://www.ntius.com/)

really liked it overall but had very poor burning results with it, as used A LOT of resources while burning i almost had vista lock up a couple of times and this pc has 2gb of ram.. with a c2d.. a good overall program though

Cheetah DVD Burner (http://www.cheetahburner.com/)

this i have not tried in ages ill look at it again

Sateira CD&DVD Burner (http://www.sateira.com/)

again bad burn results for some reason with this one. decent interface though. maybe ill try it again

AV Burning Studio (http://www.rmbsoft.com/avb.asp)

have not seen this one or of i did i do not remember it

Ultimate CD/DVD Burner (http://www.mispbo.com/burner.htm)

believe i tried this one but i will again..

Free Easy CD DVD Burner (http://www.koyotesoft.com/indexEn.html)

same about this one

" }-

i have uninstalled .net 2.0 so the xp one is out i guess. thanks for the patience everyone.. i do appreciate all the suggestions.. im def checking these out. i actually thought the star burner recc by belg was great minus the fact it TOOK FOREVER to convert mp3's over to audio disc.. i mean nearly 15-20 min for 10-12 tracks.. then still the time to burn.. way to long imo it also does not delete them when its done you have to manually find them and delete them and it writes them over again as a .wav file so there are doubles on the hdd that can take up space fast if you dont do it all the time..

anyone know any more about that romeo burner one?? that one looks nice but i have yet to try it. im going to set up a test pc i think so im not having to keep restoring after all these uninstalls..

before i go nuts with all these which ones have the more advanced features similar to nero?? again im not looking for a "click and burn" program... know what i mean??

[WSFuser]

If you still dont find any one software you like, Ill recommend (again) that you use two programs. Maybe one for audio, and the other for everything else.

[zfactor]

yeah i may have to i guess i was hoping for a one stop deal like nero.. but without the issues..

i like cd-da extractor A LOT for audio.. works great allows title changing to anything i want.. a great audio burning program..

i just really like the nero interface i hate all these new one click and burn things. i like to set things the way I WANT them not the way the program feels is best.. with nero i can do everything right down to booktype and all. not with to many others. they just lask the options. gear pro has prob been the second best to nero but lacks a lot of information. like how much i have selected to burn to a disc.. i mean c'mon?? so i have to click burn for it to say i have to much or add it up as i go.. seems stupid for a program thats 99$..

i can say ashampoo has burned stuff even nero will not though like the backups for my pioneer nav system nero refused to do it on the dl's ashampoo did it perfect first time around..

[ThunderZ]

I know of other people experiencing burning problems with Sateria as well. I have always had very good luck with it. Data\audio\video\ISOs, no problem. Not a coaster yet. Running CD\DVD burner on my tower and Drop to CD on my lap top. Both XP. While my Wifes` XP machine does not like it either. Seems like it only burns the "short cuts" of the media not the actual. :-\

[zfactor]

yep same results for me the discs are actually empty after it burns them

[ThunderZ]

-{ Quote: "yep same results for me the discs are actually empty after it burns them" }-


:o Do`t tell my wife that. :-X I told her she was screwing up and trying to burn the wrong thing. :ouch:

[zfactor]

;D lol...at first i could read them on the burner it burnt them with but when i went to put them in my laptop there was nothing there!!! then i went and put it back in the burner i burnt them with and ..... nothing.. wtf??? these are not junk discs either and i know they burn fine with the drive im using since ashampoo and nero both burn them perfect

[ThunderZ]

-{ Quote: ";D lol...at first i could read them on the burner it burnt them with but when i went to put them in my laptop there was nothing there!!! then i went and put it back in the burner i burnt them with and ..... nothing.. wtf??? these are not junk discs either and i know they burn fine with the drive im using since ashampoo and nero both burn them perfect" }-


Scratching my head too. She has since moved on to other burning software. By Slysoft I think. I`m still using Sateria......till it starts producing coasters.

[Espresso]

Have you tried Prassi Ones?

http://ww1.tx-software.com/boutique_us/liste_produits.cfm?code_lg=lg_us&type=7

[Mele20]

How about Alcohol 120? That's the only other burning program that I have tried that didn't make coasters and I liked it almost as much as Nero 6 Ultra. I too only use Burning Rom from Nero. I haven't tried Alcohol 120 in quite some time but when I get my free copy of Vista Ultimate from Microsoft soon, I will try Alcohol 120 again. I don't want any version of Nero past 6. I had an awful time with the computer before this one. No matter what I used it burned a lot of coasters ...even after the CDRom drive was replaced twice by Dell. The only two burning programs that worked well, burned ISOs with no problems, never made coasters, were Nero 6 and Alcohol 120. I don't like Ashampoo much. I have it but haven't used in a long while. Maybe I would like it better now...but when I got it, I thought Alcohol 120 was much better. Plus, Ashampoo made coasters.

http://www.alcohol-soft.com/

[Johnny123]

-{ Quote: "Have you tried Prassi Ones?

http://ww1.tx-software.com/boutique_us/liste_produits.cfm?code_lg=lg_us&type=7" }-

That's what I use and it's the best burning software I've ever tried. Nero, Roxio, etc. have all become bloated, buggy monstrosities.

[Long View]

-{ Quote: "Have you tried Prassi Ones?

http://ww1.tx-software.com/boutique_us/liste_produits.cfm?code_lg=lg_us&type=7" }-


Just tried it and it looked great BUT on 2 machines it was sooooooo sloooooow.
Doesn't like my hardware at all. I'm quite happy with Nero 6 and Imgburn but am always on the look out for new programs. I'm sure the program is fine but to me this is an excellent example of how hardware and software need to work together.

[HAN]

I took a look at the Ones site and saw this (to me) somewhat humorous oddity... :)

[WSFuser]

The first statement probably means updates arent necessary to recognize new burners. It doesnt mean program updates are unnecessary.

[zfactor]

imo ones i didnt like at all. it burned discs soooooo slow. even if i set it to say 32x and it said it was burning at 32x it took wayy to long to do that.. not sure why??

i also dont like the fact that its a driver based buring program.. anyway ive been using imgburn and LOVE the newest version so far it has handled anything i have thrown at it. it has a steep learning curve for those that are used to the easy ashampoo or similar style interface but once you learn it it can do anything you throw at it..

[n8chavez]

I have used Prassi's Ones and it's very very good. The only reason I don't use it is because it cannot create bootable discs. I now use Complex Evolution (see here (http://www.complexnt.com/)) and O really like it. It does everything I could ever want and now of the bloat of Nero. It is only 2.9 meg installed. It has a driver that allows for burning without admin rights. And it is portable. You can't go wrong with it. It's fantastic.

[HAN]

Complex Evolution does indeed look interesting!. If my current choices fall short in the future, I may end up looking at it... :)

[n8chavez]

-{ Quote: "Complex Evolution does indeed look interesting!. If my current choices fall short in the future, I may end up looking at it... :)" }-

If you do end up going with it let me know and I can give you a copy of the graphics I use for it. I think they are better than the defaults.

[Long View]

Imgburn 2.4 now means that I no longer need Nero. At 1.57 meg it can hardly be
called bloated and if any other burner is faster I would be surprised.

[HAN]

I have looked at ImgBurn off and on for almost 2 years and still find it incredibly confusing to use. I still can't find where basic stuff like close/finalize the disk or leave it as multi-session are located. Let alone, something like Mode2 burning (which I desperately needed a couple of months ago.) With other capable but less convoluted alternatives, it's difficult for me to understand why ImgBurn has fans...

[Espresso]

-{ Quote: "imo ones i didnt like at all. it burned discs soooooo slow. even if i set it to say 32x and it said it was burning at 32x it took wayy to long to do that.. not sure why??

i also dont like the fact that its a driver based buring program.. " }-

IIRC, Prassi was always a driverless burner. What is the name of the driver?

[xheffalumpx]

Does anyone know an older version of Nero which was just the Burning ROM and not so bloated? I have a couple of old cd writer boxes which came bundled with some older verion of Nero but I forget which version - one was a red CD?? - I too am looking for a replacement burner which has similar interface to Nero but without all the extra stuff which comes with newer versions of Nero.

[Dieselman]

Look here. 15 Free Alternatives To Nero.

http://www.instantfundas.com/2007/10/15-free-cddvd-burning-alternatives-to.html

[Dieselman]

I myself use Ashampoo Burning Studio 7. Works great.

http://www2.ashampoo.com/webcache/html/1/product_2_1110__.htm

[zfactor]

-{ Quote: "IIRC, Prassi was always a driverless burner. What is the name of the driver?" }-

hmm not sure but i know when i installed the last version it asked me about installing its own drivers?? i figured they had changed it.. i never reinstalled it because all it did was lock up on me.. never a big fan of ones though..

[zfactor]

ashampoo is a awesome burner but they NEED to allow for custom cd text that is able to be added by the user .... not that interent based garbage, imo it almost never works right, that is my one reason i dont use it right now..

though imgburn has all the advanced features ashampoo lacks. but the 2 combined are my choice and what i have installed

[rolarocka]

-{ Quote: "Does anyone know an older version of Nero which was just the Burning ROM and not so bloated? I have a couple of old cd writer boxes which came bundled with some older verion of Nero but I forget which version - one was a red CD?? - I too am looking for a replacement burner which has similar interface to Nero but without all the extra stuff which comes with newer versions of Nero." }-
I think the best version was Nero 6. But its not Vista compatible. This loks like Nero and its lightweight: http://infrarecorder.sourceforge.net/

[Long View]

-{ Quote: "I think the best version was Nero 6. But its not Vista compatible. " }-

Agree completely. 6 was peak time for Nero - bit like life under Eisenhower.
The fact that 6 is not compatible with Vista is yet another reason continue with Xp.

[Long View]

-{ Quote: "ashampoo is a awesome burner but they NEED to allow for custom cd text that is able to be added by the user .... not that interent based garbage, imo it almost never works right, that is my one reason i dont use it right now..

though imgburn has all the advanced features ashampoo lacks. but the 2 combined are my choice and what i have installed" }-

How much better is 7 than the free version of 6 ? 6 looks good enough for most things with imgburn being the workhorse but I think you have to get 7 to be able to add menus ?

[xheffalumpx]

I found that old red CD. Turns out it is Nero Burning Rom 5.5.3.0. Well it says on the CD it is only for use with my old CD writer - which is a CD burner only, no DVD. I have a newer DVD writer too. Installed that old Nero and it only picks up the CD drive, as indicated on the label. Oh well! I'll look at Infrarecorder, that does seem to have a similar interface :)

[zfactor]

power2go is another great nero alternative a bit bigger than ashampoo but it does everything nero can.. about 130-150mb installed.

i found ashampoo 7 to be much better than 6 for stability alone. where 6 would crash at times 7 does not ... ever...

7 can do direct avi mpeg etc to dvd video burning and allows editing of the menus.. i know there are other differences as well but i dont remember since its been a long time since ive used 6 (free one)

be prepared to wait though if using ashampoo for video conversion. a chopre that converxtodvd takes say 45 min to do will take ashampoo near 2 hours but i can say it does a very nice job at it at times even better than convert x...

if imgburn had a few more things imo there would be NOTHING else needed for any taks at all..

imo i can not get infrarecorder to ever do everything its supposed to do right. there are way to many times where it spit out a error or didnt burn right etc.. imgburn does on the first try everytime.. also with infra MANY discs i have to burn at slower speeds so they dont skip during playback like cmc a3 stuff (infra i have to set at 8x for no problems during playback) using the same drive i can actually burn the same discs at 16-18x with img and they play perfect every time.. (all 3 drives tested for this a sammy 203b, pioneer 215, and a lite-on 20a3...)

i dont want the net 2.0 junk so i have stayed away from burnerxp..