Outpost vs OnlineArmor: which one?

[faenil]

Which one would u choose? I tried both, found outpost a bit annoying with all those popups flashing up at every moment...

what do u think?
Which one has better protection? Both passed the matousec.com test with 100% mark...but I know OA doesn't stop Dll Loading while Outpost does, is that true? http://wiki.castlecops.com/HIPS/IDP_programs/services

Help me choosing the new Firewall-HIPS ^^

[Dieselman]

All firewalls go through an intial leaning time where you get alot of pop ups. I am currently using Comodo 3.0. Outpost cost money.

[faenil]

I have money to spend on outpost if it's worth its price

[lucas1985]

OA, because it's quieter.
But if you don't know what you're doing, I wouldn't recommend a classic HIPS nor a rule-based firewall. In this case, stick to the Windows firewall and add a quiet non-signature security software such as a behav. blocker or a sandbox.

[Chris12923]

-{ Quote: "Which one would u choose? I tried both, found outpost a bit annoying with all those popups flashing up at every moment...

what do u think?
Which one has better protection? Both passed the matousec.com test with 100% mark...but I know OA doesn't stop Dll Loading while Outpost does, is that true? http://wiki.castlecops.com/HIPS/IDP_programs/services

Help me choosing the new Firewall-HIPS ^^" }-
If they both received 100% protection it's really hard to say which one is more secure. I know outpost had 100% before online armor but thats a moot point now since they are both there now. I would say at this point it's up to you to try them and see which one fits your needs. You say outpost pops up alot have you tried online armor to see if it does the same for you?

Thanks,

Chris

[century]

-{ Quote: "OA, because it's quieter.
But if you don't know what you're doing, I wouldn't recommend a classic HIPS nor a rule-based firewall. In this case, stick to the Windows firewall and add a quiet non-signature security software such as a behav. blocker or a sandbox." }-

Excuse me if I sound foolish, I am a novice willing to learn here.
Do I have to set up rules for Online Armor free or Comodo 3 firewalls?
Will they popup questions every now & then? I am using ZA 6.5 free firewall - what is your opinion about it?
I understand that some firewalls are not compatible with some AV suites - where do I learn about it?

[truthseeker]

-{ Quote: "Excuse me if I sound foolish..." }-

You do not sound foolish.

The only fool is the person who doesn't ask questions, due to pride and ego and fear of looking foolish :)

[Meriadoc]

-{ Quote: "Which one would u choose?" }-
I really like OA, and it has a free version but I have gone back to OutpostPro for now on that set up because I cannot run with the hips active without some problems which maybe peculiar to me but namely sandboxie will not start and right click takes an age for something to appear. If I were you I'd try out both to see which suits you.

[twl845]

-{ Quote: "Excuse me if I sound foolish, I am a novice willing to learn here.
Do I have to set up rules for Online Armor free or Comodo 3 firewalls?
Will they popup questions every now & then? I am using ZA 6.5 free firewall - what is your opinion about it?
I understand that some firewalls are not compatible with some AV suites - where do I learn about it?" }-
As a fellow firewall non techie, my search for a firewall that is user friendly ended finally when I tried Online Armor. The GUI is very easy to navigate, and I didn't experience a lot of pop ups initially after I set my known apps to trusted. After 3 weeks of the 30 day trial, I bought it along with a year maintenance (I wish I had gone for the 2 years) and it updates itself daily. When the new version came out a week or so ago, I was pleasantly surprised to find the new version installed upon boot up. After 2 restarts to set the drivers etc. it was done. No uninstalling the old to do a clean install of the new as with most apps. It has been compatible with all my apps and I haven't experienced any bugs that I'm aware of. If you set it to Standard Mode there are no rules to set and it runs itself.

[Victek123]

-{ Quote: "Which one would u choose? I tried both, found outpost a bit annoying with all those popups flashing up at every moment...

what do u think?
Which one has better protection? Both passed the matousec.com test with 100% mark...but I know OA doesn't stop Dll Loading while Outpost does, is that true? http://wiki.castlecops.com/HIPS/IDP_programs/services

Help me choosing the new Firewall-HIPS ^^" }-

I think an important consideration when choosing a security application is the way the GUI is structured. I've used Outpost in the past and didn't like the GUI. I currently use Comodo 3.0 on Vista and Online Armour on XP. I like them both, but for me the Online Armour GUI is organized more clearly. The point is if the GUI makes sense you will understand the firewall's features and make better choices when configuring it.

[Sm3K3R]

-{ Quote: "Which one would u choose? I tried both, found outpost a bit annoying with all those popups flashing up at every moment...

what do u think?
Which one has better protection? Both passed the matousec.com test with 100% mark...but I know OA doesn't stop Dll Loading while Outpost does, is that true? http://wiki.castlecops.com/HIPS/IDP_programs/services

Help me choosing the new Firewall-HIPS ^^" }-

If you want an advanced firewall, Outpost 2008,but along with it comes system crawling.Its payed also.
If you dont like pop ups then you should not choose one of the top firewalls because they all do pop ups ,this is the way they work.
If you are a beginer use Sunbelt or Sygate firewalls.
Comodo 3 is also a nice choice(pop ups also included) but personally i stay with Comodo 3.0.14/3.0.15 untill a final version will be made.

[faenil]

I'm not a newbie in the security field at all ^^ but when I tried Outpost it seemed to popup too much...I'll give it another go ^^

[Dieselman]

Most firewalls at first give you pop ups. Give a firewall a week and it will calm down.

[wat0114]

-{ Quote: "Most firewalls at first give you pop ups. Give a firewall a week and it will calm down." }-

It depends on how the pop-ups are answered as to how quickly they calm down.

[Diver]

I would go with OA free, because if stuff this good is free, the pay ware will never be good enough to be worth it. The program logic is pretty good as it compiles a list of safe applications at installation, thus cutting down on alerts for when one application interacts with another. The automatic rule making also saves a lot of grief.

As far as leak test scores go, its mostly bunk. The real question is will the program keep malware off your computer. Leak tests are not real malware, as they have a much narrower function. The chances of the outbound leak concept providing a warning after an actual infection are not very good, but don't ask Matousec that, because he makes his living touting the importance of leak testing and the lack of importance of everything else.

[truthseeker]

-{ Quote: "Most firewalls at first give you pop ups. Give a firewall a week and it will calm down." }-

Yes, very true.

When I first installed COMODO, the first 3-5 days were crazy. I was getting popup after popup. But now a week later, no popups at all. Just the very occasional one when I do something new.

[Dieselman]

-{ Quote: "Yes, very true.

When I first installed COMODO, the first 3-5 days were crazy. I was getting popup after popup. But now a week later, no popups at all. Just the very occasional one when I do something new." }-
Thank you. I only get D+ pop ups now when I install something.

[Ocky]

I am thinking of recommending Online Armor Free to my sister-in-law
who is not familiar with the way firewalls work and would be out
of her depth blocking ports and creating rules manually, wouldn't
know whether to block/allow connections by svchost.exe, explorer.exe
etc.etc.
Would OA free be a good choice ? Will the run safer option be available
in the free version ?

[Omnitech]

-{ Quote: "I am thinking of recommending Online Armor Free to my sister-in-law
who is not familiar with the way firewalls work and would be out
of her depth blocking ports and creating rules manually, wouldn't
know whether to block/allow connections by svchost.exe, explorer.exe
etc.etc.
Would OA free be a good choice ? Will the run safer option be available
in the free version ?" }-

Yes, OA Free has the 'Run Safer' option.
OA Free is a good choice for your sister-in-law.

[twl845]

-{ Quote: "I am thinking of recommending Online Armor Free to my sister-in-law
who is not familiar with the way firewalls work and would be out
of her depth blocking ports and creating rules manually, wouldn't
know whether to block/allow connections by svchost.exe, explorer.exe
etc.etc.
Would OA free be a good choice ? Will the run safer option be available
in the free version ?" }-
If I can handle it it's perfect for your Sister-in-Law. This is the best thing since sliced bread. ;D

[Ocky]

-{ Quote: "If I can handle it it's perfect for your Sister-in-Law. This is the best thing since sliced bread. ;D" }-

Ha,ha,ha ... twl845, thanks, but don't under-estimate yourself, I think
you know exactly what you are doing and why. :)

[chrisretusn]

-{ Quote: "Which one would u choose? I tried both, found outpost a bit annoying with all those popups flashing up at every moment...

what do u think?
Which one has better protection?
" }-I cannot comment on Online Armor, but I do use Outpost Security Suite (OSS), Outpost Firewall (OPF) is similar minus a few items.

The latest version run quite well on my XP Pro SP2 system. I see no adverse effects. My internet connection is just as speedy with out without OSS installed. As for the popups, in the beginning until OSS gets used to your system there can be a lot of popups. I depends on how you set it up. One plus with regard to popups in the new Learning Mode that you can enable during install (and also activate any time as needed after install) that lets OSS (or OPF) learn without prompting.

[AJohn]

I just installed Online Armor on my uncle's PC and have yet to see how it works for him. I had DefenseWall on it before, which worked great, but every once in a while he would end up with a file he couldn't save and I would always have to update his browsers for him.

[arran]

Outpost pro is better. but not the latest version because it for some reason slows down browsing.

I recommend trying Outpost Version 4 I'm using it now it rocks also too outpost v4 has a plugin for IP block lists where you can import your peer gaurdian ip lists into it.

so for people downloading p2p you no longer have to have peer guardian just import the blocked ips into outpost.

[TVH]

Used to use outpost till 2008 version came out. Then switched from comodo to look n stop to online armour. Then went back to outpost pro v4. Now im back on the newest outpost 2008 build and will be sticking to it. It works really well and ive experienced no problems so far.

[Escalader]

-{ Quote: "Which one would u choose? I tried both, found outpost a bit annoying with all those popups flashing up at every moment...

what do u think?
Which one has better protection? Both passed the matousec.com test with 100% mark...but I know OA doesn't stop Dll Loading while Outpost does, is that true? http://wiki.castlecops.com/HIPS/IDP_programs/services

Help me choosing the new Firewall-HIPS ^^" }-

It doesn't matter what I would choose since my needs and security profile are 99% likely to be different than yours.

But you are concerned with security or you wouldn't have asked the question and have tried both? Have you tried the latest version of OA? It has a free version and friendly support and can run in quiet mode.

As to the OA dll question I see dll's in the program list and the start up list and can block any that I feel should be blocked so I question the accuracy of the source you provided. But you should simply trial the latest versions of both if these are your fixed choices and use the one that works best for you.

Hope this helps.

[nmaynan]

-{ Quote: "Which one would u choose? I tried both, found outpost a bit annoying with all those popups flashing up at every moment...

what do u think?
Which one has better protection? Both passed the matousec.com test with 100% mark...but I know OA doesn't stop Dll Loading while Outpost does, is that true? http://wiki.castlecops.com/HIPS/IDP_programs/services

Help me choosing the new Firewall-HIPS ^^" }-

I used Outpost for years. I recently switched to Online Armor. Why did I dump Outpost Firewall? = the biggest reason was because it has become ridiculously unstable and unreliable.

I tried lots of Firewalls when searching for a replacement for Outpost. Here are some of the reasons why I eventually settled on Online Armor over all the others I tried:

1.) it provides much better protection than Outpost, and more control over your computer overall (e.g., I can literally set OA to a "blank slate" and then slowly build the connections I need via the popup requests. I never could completely do this with Outpost. To avoid lockups or delays etc Outpost always seemed to need to have a global rule or two for things like DHCP or DNS or something like that. It's not that big a deal, but the point is you really have more fine tuning ability with Online Armor. OA also has more extensive program control, keylogger protection, identification of network computers, IP addresses, MAC addresses, etc.

2.) Online Armor is really smooth. Things that would cause Outpost to hangup on, run smooth as butter in Online Armor.

3.) Online Armor is surprisingly easy to use. It has a Standard setting and Advanced setting. Advanced gives you more control over small stuff (which I like). Once you set what you want, you receive very few if any popups. And here's the best part: with Outpost if a request for access is made and you allow it "once" you often end up having to allow a gazillion different requests to get something to work. With Online Armor you just have to press once. It's very intuitive and easy to Allow/Block things--much more so than Outpost. You really have to experience it to see what I mean.

4.) Online Armor has given me no crashes or lockups as of yet. The last two releases of Outpost were a joke and locked things up all the time. Since Outpost updated to 4.0 and above, it has really gone downhill. I still use Outpost on an older computer. But I use version 3.5.

5.) I really liked Outpost before 4.0, and would have never considered switching if Outpost had not become so unreliable and inefficient. Outpost has a couple things I like that Online Armor doesn't have: Outpost allows you to create a rule but not have it active. So you can activate the rule (Allow/Block) at any time without actually having to delete the rule. Instead of erasing a rule, I can instead deactivate it (which means popups would occur for it once again). Once deactivated, if you ever want the rule again, you don't have to recreate it, it is there waiting for simple activation. I also like Outpost's Block Most function for things like Gaming and when I let relatives use computer who don't know about firewalls (this way they are not bothered with popups). But this is mostly a non-issue as well with Online Armor because once you use it for a few hours, it configures so as to give you hardly any popups (it really will most likely give you zero).

Overall, Online Armor is without a doubt a superior firewall and much easier to use. I suppose if someone picked Outpost over OA it would be for specific reasons related to specific objectives. Frankly Online Armor is the most fluid and easy to use Firewall I've ever used. PLUS the guys at TallEmu are the most friendly and regularly interact with users via the forum. They take user feedback seriously (unlike my experience with Agnitum who seemed to have turned to the darkside much like ZoneAlarm has). The other thing that's exciting about Online Armor is that it has depth. Just this weekend I learned a few new things about Online Armor that are sweet. It really has a lot of cool things. They aren't all apparent right away. Online Armor is the firewall to beat in the future.

If you use the free trial, you can see for yourself. Just keep in mind, there might be a little learning curve. Before you freak out or start posting to change something, give it some time and learn to use it how Online Armor directs you. I've found I like it the Online Armor way better. I also remember there was a learning curve when I first started using Outpost instead of ZoneAlarm too. I ended up loving Outpost. I've ended up loving Online Armor even more than I loved Outpost.

[clint7]

Online Armor for sure. When you install this firewall it will ask you about what programs etc. that are acceptable to you and your computer. Then in the future it will leave you alone unless something new or strange comes along. I liked the free version and I love the paid version. They are above any firewall that I have ever used and I have used several. To compare between the free and the paid go to http://tallemu.com They also have a promo going on right now with $15.00 off the paid version. Promo code is OAFEB*puppy*

[tepe2]

I did not know about the promo and paid full price for 2 year license (Online Armor without AV). But the paid version is buggy on my computer (and others). I should have chosen something else like Prosecurity or just used the Windows firewall. OA service would not start at all, and it killed my Internet connection.

Only solution was to uninstall.

Edit: It also slowed down boot a lot. I know it is supposed to the first time you re-boot, but on my computer it was not only the first time.

WASTED MONEY

[SecOmnius]

Online Armor for me, too. :thumb:

[GES/POR]

Just got OA paid version yesterday and im glad i finally did.

[truthseeker]

-{ Quote: "Just got OA paid version yesterday and im glad i finally did." }-

When will OA be released for Vista???

And what is the difference between the free version and that version you paid money for?

[GES/POR]

http://www.tallemu.com/comparisons.html

http://support.tallemu.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3500

[nmaynan]

stability factors aside with Outpost Pro 4.0 and up, one of the things that disappointed me about the 2008 release was that Outpost is no longer just a Firewall. You're forced to get what is basically a suite (anti-spyware, web shield etc). Outpost has gotten away from just being a firewall.

One of the things that I like about Online Armor is that it allows you to totally uninstall all the hooks for the HIPS portion of the software. Essentially leaving you with just a Firewall--which is all I want.

I loved Outpost for a long time. I still like it (3.51 and below that is).

[nmaynan]

I wanted to post this addendum to my post above (#27) where I said Online Armor does not have an Outpost like "Block Most" function. This is true in the sense of a specific operating mode that you can set the FW to. However, one can achieve the exact same function as a "Block Most" by simply placing a Final Rule in the OA rule tab that specifices "All Programs". This accomplishes the EXACT same thing as Outpost's "Block Most".

I wanted to post this in case users were not aware of this OA capabiity. This capability essentially obviates any need to even have a Block Most function.

[G1111]

I am an Outpost user. I am not sure if they have a trial period or not. If they do I would try both (not at the same time) and see which one you prefer.

[jrx10]

-{ Quote: "If you want an advanced firewall, Outpost 2008,but along with it comes system crawling.Its payed also.
If you dont like pop ups then you should not choose one of the top firewalls because they all do pop ups ,this is the way they work.
If you are a beginer use Sunbelt or Sygate firewalls.
Comodo 3 is also a nice choice(pop ups also included) but personally i stay with Comodo 3.0.14/3.0.15 untill a final version will be made." }- Don't know why Comodo doesn't upgrade their 2.4 FW & target it at XP FW noobs. It just needs a 'net rules BU within the GUI, (although the 2.4 BU 'script is easy to run). I always thought the 2.4 GUI was easy to navigate and it's "application behavior analysis"--sort of an entry level HIPS (I guess) was quiet. I still run it on the image with KAV 7, since it it looks like it's going to be 2009 when KAV 2008 gets out of beta in the US.

[ronjor]

Post by member inkberry split from this thread and located here. --> http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=215648

[Sully]

Personally I have tried every stinking firewall I can lay my mitts on. All I want is a firewall. No HIPS. No swiss army knife. I am long past the stage of caring enough to spend that much time on a firewall again. I used to use Outpost v1 and v1 Pro. I loved it. When I switched to a multicore cpu, I had to up it to v2.0. I could care less if I pass Matousecs silly bogus tests, or for that matter Mr Gibsons scans.

All I want is an outbound application tool. TF sort of has it. If TF was better I would use it in place of a firewall.

That being said, I have decided to stick with Outpost v2.0 and make 2 rules, Allow and Deny. If that is as much as you need, then many firewalls are capable of this.

If you need to control every aspect of your computer, the older versions 2 or 3 of Outpost work nicely. OA I have tried, and it is as good a firewall as any. They are all noisy at first, and most of the new ones are full of extra features sure to satisfy the most demanding control freak :)

As has been said, which one is up to the individual. Also it has been said in this thread that OA has an interface that is easy to understand. I cannot say that about OA, but can about Outpost.

IMO the #1 thing to be concerned with in a firewall, even before security ratings, is how well laid out the GUI is or YOU. If it is a pain because you feel like you are clicking with your left when you use your right, maybe you should look around till you find one that you feel is 'just right'. Then worry about how secure it is. Most of the big name firewalls will protect you sufficiently enough, regardless of what the bogus 'leak tests' reveal.

If you are that worreid about leaks, you should browse in a sandbox and have HIPS watching your every move.

Just my 2cents.

Sul.

[alex_s]

-{ Quote: "Which one would u choose? I tried both, found outpost a bit annoying with all those popups flashing up at every moment...

what do u think?
Which one has better protection? Both passed the matousec.com test with 100% mark...but I know OA doesn't stop Dll Loading while Outpost does, is that true? http://wiki.castlecops.com/HIPS/IDP_programs/services

Help me choosing the new Firewall-HIPS ^^" }-

The link you provided has very outdated data. It references OA v 190 which is about a year old (and I think the same is about Outpost). I dare to say they both provide very high security level. So you'd better rely on your taste. Outpost just released 2009 version. OA is about to release v3 which differs much from the currently released v2.1.0.131.

[Fedorov999]

-{ Quote: "stability factors aside with Outpost Pro 4.0 and up, one of the things that disappointed me about the 2008 release was that Outpost is no longer just a Firewall. You're forced to get what is basically a suite (anti-spyware, web shield etc). Outpost has gotten away from just being a firewall.

One of the things that I like about Online Armor is that it allows you to totally uninstall all the hooks for the HIPS portion of the software. Essentially leaving you with just a Firewall--which is all I want.

I loved Outpost for a long time. I still like it (3.51 and below that is)." }-

Completely agree with everything you've said there about Outpost - used to be good. Maybe the new 2009 has gotten back on track, but I agree it became way too bloated.

I've purchaed 3 Online Armor AV+ licenses for my Vista machines, I'm currently using the betas and apart from a few minor niggles my machine is running great with OA.

[lu_chin]

I chose OnlineArmor over Outpost because Outpost did not work with other security applications such as KIS 2009. In addition, the application control in OA was more granular than that in OP. In terms of just the firewall component, I could not tell which one was better.

[Edwin024]

Lu Chin, are you joking? Of course Outpost (or any other firewall for that matter) will work without a problem with KIS 2009. KIS has it's own firewall and hips , etc...

[starfish_001]

-{ Quote: "Lu Chin, are you joking? Of course Outpost (or any other firewall for that matter) will work without a problem with KIS 2009. KIS has it's own firewall and hips , etc..." }-


When outpost is installed with KIS (firewall disabled) key components of outpost are not enabled - spyware - no loss , web filter - useful

Outpost and NOD play fine but KAV product dom't fit so well

[pettyracing]

I am currently using comodo ver 2 on an xp based quad core. It works very well. I wanted to switch to OA free but there were two areas that concerned me.

One was the L-O-N-G delay during a boot. It must add a minute to my boot time and I am not sure why it needs to do that as I have never had any other firewall or a/v a/s cause this sort of delay. The windows theme plays but the screen continues to sit there and finally I get to the desktop. I tried it on 2 computers and each did the same thing.

The other area is after going through the wizard and doing a reboot, the program seems to be continually "noisy". Once comodo is trained it is virtually silent. OA free just keeps having pop-ups long after it indicated it has completed the training process. This is during times of no installs and very little surfing.

I don't know if the "run safer" would improve things or not. Nor whether OA provides better or equal protection to comodo 2.

But it was disconcerting for my machine to take so long to boot. I was concerned that it would not even boot at times. Not knocking the program in any way, but I'm surprised that this is not noted more often.

[truthseeker]

-{ Quote: "Which one would u choose? ..." }-

Neither. I have not ran a firewall for over a decade, and never had a problem. Just enable NAPT in your modem, that's all you need.

[mack_guy911]

hi

i am outpost user i tried online armor once but didnt like since i am used to outpost so what matters is which firewall you feel better and easy to set rules.......i guss ...same some of online armor user feel about outpost little bit annoying...

2nd if you behind a router i recommend you outpost because it has nat and inbound protection +protection against dll injection +blockpost + lots of other good features......so i guss you should try both then decide which one is better for you..........

[WGTech]

its hard to find a magic bullet Firewall-Hips. I have tried Outpost, and i used to love it, but only as a firewall. I have a full copy of Online Armor, and i do like that but only as a HIPS, i disable all the firewall stuff in it. I like like all in one programs, i have the firewall i choose to run, i have my HIPS i choose to run, i have a product for each modality, so maybe you should look into that idea also?

[Stem]

Hello mack,

I did install the latest offering from Agnitum today (outpost pro security), certainly a good improvement for my browsing speed compared to other OP versions I have used
-{ Quote: "2nd if you behind a router i recommend you outpost because it has nat and inbound protection" }-I would think the inbound protection you refer to is the "Ethernet protection"? which yes, for a LAN it is something other vendors should follow. I know a lot of users are on trusted home LAN`s and feel no point/need of such protection.

-{ Quote: " +protection against dll injection " }-I did not get quite that far with the installation I made, as I found some problems with some of my installed applications when thy attempted global hooks and made them unresponsive,.. I had to hard_reset the system. I did find log entries for the attempt of global hook by the applications and also logs of the startup of windump etc, so there is a bug/problem there. I did manually set rules which fixed the problem, but it does need to be looked at. I did not have time to follow it up with checks creating error reports etc, so un-installed for now.

Also for the loading of dll`s, at one time OP would only inform of the loading, not actually give the user the option to prevent, as that changed?

-{ Quote: "+blockpost " }-I think a blocklist within the firewall is always good as long as it does not slow down the firewall,.. there is of course peerguardian for those firewalls which do not contain such a feature.

-{ Quote: "+ lots of other good features......" }-Yes, it does look interesting, and I will certainly find time to look at it again.

I have not looked at the latest from OA yet, but will when I can.

- Stem

[mack_guy911]

hello stem,

i agree that lan systems are quite secure for home users
but in some weird conditions

case 1:-
let say my brother install some software in his laptop and get infected and antivirus detected the virus/backdoor/trojan at that end there is much chances of terminating that virus/backdoor at that end before its infect the entire lan....if you have inbound protection in this case its helps a lot.....

case 2:- i use nmap to probe my brother lan port having outpost installed its shows all ports filtered......which i belive not bad.....because some backdoor and malwares does the same in infected lan and 2nd my brother pc got massage that my pc it trying to probe his pc and it lock the lan connection from my pc

sorry my english is not good i hope you'll get the point i am trying to put on....:)

3rdly ...i dont feel any back effects of having lan security its only add one more good feature.....in outpost..:)

[QS]

Just to clear something up Running OP Pro 2009 and KAV 2009 both are running swimingly here i find it quite a decent setup. Sad not to be using Comodo anymore but it was just messing all my .Net apps up and OP 2009 really is starting to look a bit better than 4.

[StevieE9]

-{ Quote: "I have money to spend on outpost if it's worth its price" }-

Comodo 3 is simply better than Outpost Pro. So you get a better Firewall for no payment.

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "Comodo 3 is simply better than Outpost Pro. So you get a better Firewall for no payment." }-

Comodo is simply a Nagy old grandma that freaks out every time you move the mouse.. its more productive to pay for something that has a Hint of intelligence of its own. And aint going to shut off your internet traffic if you move the mouse to fast or the wrong way. :o

Anyone can make a program to ask you if you want to do this every time you click something the real money is where it can figure crap out on its own without screwing things up, or needing user interaction every 5 sec if not more. :dry:

[doktornotor]

-{ Quote: "Comodo is simply a Nagy old grandma that freaks out every time you move the mouse.. its more productive to pay for something that has a Hint of intelligence of its own. And aint going to shut off your internet traffic if you move the mouse to fast or the wrong way. :o

Anyone can make a program to ask you if you want to do this every time you click something the real money is where it can figure crap out on its own without screwing things up, or needing user interaction every 5 sec if not more. :dry:" }-

Geez, what a FUD... ::) :thumbd: How about that you use Clean PC mode, which is what I and lots of other people are normally doing on a freshly installed box? Guess what, you won't receive a single pop up about any installed application, you'll only be prompted on installing new apps which are not on the whilelist and you can either allow or deny those. Learn to use the tool properly and don't blame it for you inability to do so.

[virtumonde]

-{ Quote: "Geez, what a FUD... ::) :thumbd: How about that you use Clean PC mode, which is what I and lots of other people are normally doing on a freshly installed box? Guess what, you won't receive a single pop up about any installed application, you'll only be prompted on installing new apps which are not on the whilelist and you can either allow or deny those. Learn to use the tool properly and don't blame it for you inability to do so." }-
Hey this is about OA And Outpost.Can't we have a break from you fanboys here.

[doktornotor]

-{ Quote: "Hey this is about OA And Outpost.Can't we have a break from you fanboys here." }-

Sure, tell StevieE9 to stop his fanboy posts...

[Bubba]

-{ Quote: "Sure, tell StevieE9 to stop his fanboy posts..." }-Actually, let's all continue with the thread topic of Outpost vs OnlineArmor: which one? and take the discussion of other firewalls to a more appropriate thread.

[apathy]

I have used Outpost for a long time back in the day and I have abandoned it after versions have gone off the rails. It seems the newest version of the firewall is coming back to the glory days of Outpost. I haven't tried OA but I have heard good things from people on this board who know what they are talking about. I'll give it a shot sometime but since my reinstallation of windows xp sp2 it is already beginning to slow down and monopolize the hard drive.

[twl845]

-{ Quote: "I have used Outpost for a long time back in the day and I have abandoned it after versions have gone off the rails. It seems the newest version of the firewall is coming back to the glory days of Outpost. I haven't tried OA but I have heard good things from people on this board who know what they are talking about. I'll give it a shot sometime but since my reinstallation of windows xp sp2 it is already beginning to slow down and monopolize the hard drive." }-
You talk about Outpost, but your stats show you're using Comodo so I'll assume the latter. I have OA paid, and I don't even know it's there except when I do an upgrade or install something new. Then I get 2 or 3 pop ups. Try it you'll like it. ;D

[ccsito]

-{ Quote: "You talk about Outpost, but your stats show you're using Comodo so I'll assume the latter." }-

That would be a logical assumption since Outpost was abandoned earlier from the other statement.
-{ Quote: "I have used Outpost for a long time back in the day and I have abandoned it after versions have gone off the rails." }-

But going back to the original question, I would choose neither. ;)

[larryb52]

I use outpost as online armor doesn't do vista. Why that is at this late date is unknown, I'm sure someone will pipe up with in in beta or something. Bottom line is you got zip unless you cover all the major OS...I know their site claims firewall of the year. Howe you win that award but don't cover vista to me is a mystery...just my 2 cents...

[silver0066]

I am trialing both of these programs. I switch back and forth with FD-ISR.

Outpost Security Suite Pro 2009 has a big bug in the Spam section with Outlook 2007.

asp_srv.exe causes a crash to Dr. Watson. I have the good Dr. disabled so, no debug information.

Back to Online Armor or I will disable the Spam module in Outpost, depending on which way I go.

[apathy]

-{ Quote: "You talk about Outpost, but your stats show you're using Comodo so I'll assume the latter. I have OA paid, and I don't even know it's there except when I do an upgrade or install something new. Then I get 2 or 3 pop ups. Try it you'll like it. ;D" }-

Funny thing is that I had Outpost firewall installed for a few days and Outpost blocked an ip address that it said was port scanning and it wasn't. I went through the interface for an hour to find out how to unblock the ip. I could never figure out how and I quickly used FDISR get rid of that software.

I installed OA today and the interface is simple even in Advanced mode. It is informative and at the same time not nagging you every second like Comodo. I can easily add my own rules to close holes and it runs great. I really like the 'Run Safer' mode and the firewall status window. After putting it on a newly installed machine and testing it out today I just paid the 40 bucks. Between OA, DF, FDISR and Avira I think I'll just be fine ;)

EDIT: Wow this is the first time that I have gotten a passing grade from GRC's Shields UP with all ports stealthed.

Do you guys have any tips to make OA even more secure?

Thanks for the help.

[Bubba1]

-{ Quote: "Which one would u choose? " }-

Hi faenil,

Though late to this thread, I'm in complete agreement with the positive comments regarding Online Armor.

Happily, I was using KIS7 when I decided to test drive Avast .. and, discovering and purchasing OA resulted in a conundrum I hadn't anticipated. ;)

Many have already spoken to it's GUI .. and, I too really like the programs presentation/operation. It is intuitive .. a very solid/capable program.

My only experience with Outpost goes back a few years .. and, for whatever reason, it didn't like me nor my computer. I haven't tasted it since then and it's surely evolved. By all indications, it too is a solid program.

You'd be well served by either .. and, you could do much worse than either.

Good luck!

edit: spelling.

[darthsideous666]

-{ Quote: "I use outpost as online armor doesn't do vista. Why that is at this late date is unknown, I'm sure someone will pipe up with in in beta or something. Bottom line is you got zip unless you cover all the major OS...I know their site claims firewall of the year. Howe you win that award but don't cover vista to me is a mystery...just my 2 cents..." }-


Hi larryb52,

It just so happens that the Vista version of OA has gone to public beta! It is on their home page under the download link.

ds

[Ghost_ARCHER]

-{ Quote: "All firewalls go through an intial leaning time where you get alot of pop ups." }-
Agree
-{ Quote: "I am currently using Comodo 3.0. " }-
No opinion
-{ Quote: "Outpost cost money." }-
;D That is the point.

OAFree:
Nice and better GUI than Comodo
Also it ranks high in M....'s test
Also, it is relative small in download, not too heavy in resouce.
And best, it has free version

Some fact:
Hips start to slow down some program from start after I installed xp sp3 ?
I am still doubting if it really influenced my p2p
It can't update automatically, it is updated by reinstall (free), it would not remember old rule after reinstall, and they release new version frequently ......
The vista version is still in beta. And 64 bits version is still not under consideration.

Outpost:
2 years ago, the demo version made my computer start super slow, even slower than comodo did.
GUI was not even as pretty as comodo ---- jetico's GUI is the best btw.

[alex_s]

-{ Quote: "
It can't update automatically, it is updated by reinstall (free), it would not remember old rule after reinstall, and they release new version frequently ......" }-
This is changed now. New installer has "Upgrade" option.

[Stem]

As I looked (quickly) at OP and made post. I have now installed OA 3 (public beta) and (quickly) looked at OA

No problems up to now (a couple of hours since install). popups as expected from the HIPS with no lockouts or ill effect to the many programs I have installed on this system.

I have become interested in its change of packet filtering, but more time/checking needed before open comment.

- Stem