Iolo Antivirus

[Antus]

Hi gang:
Appreciate you input on this anti virus software. Has anyone tried this software out?? I see very little reviews on this anti virus, what can you tell me about it? Detection rate any good?? Any bit of info is appreciated. thanks in advance

[Kielty]

from memory i think it uses an earlier Kaspersky engine v6 i think...

[Baldrick]

-{ Quote: "from memory i think it uses an earlier Kaspersky engine v6 i think..." }-
I think that was correct for v6 but I believe that from v7 (current) the are either using something from someone else or an in-house solution...personally I think that it is the latter from what I have read.;D

[Perman]

Hi, folks:

For those who are serious AV seekers:

Iolo AV has a free one year offer at other thread-- free one trials, not far from this one.

Good luck.

[computer geek]

-{ Quote: "from memory i think it uses an earlier Kaspersky engine v6 i think..." }-
not any more.

[jrmhng]

Yea there aren't any serious reviews. Maybe IBK will comment after this round of testing is finished.

[tec505]

-{ Quote: "not any more." }-

It should be Authentium/Command (F-Prot) Engine.

Mike

[waters]

It is their own.They used others in the past but it says on their website it is not now because most customers wanted iolo to use their own ,and they say they had the experiance to do this

[dogma]

If anyones running it, would be Interested in how light it runs in terms of CPU usage. cheers

[PierreF]

Interface looks nice and clean.
I am interested too in how it performes.
Wish it was freeware.

[flyrfan111]

-{ Quote: "It is their own.They used others in the past but it says on their website it is not now because most customers wanted iolo to use their own ,and they say they had the experiance to do this" }-

I think they are still using the F-Prot engine because their threat center uses the same names for malware that F-Prot uses.

Although, they say it is Vista ready and officially F-prot is still a beta version for Vista.

[tec505]

-{ Quote: "Interface looks nice and clean.
I am interested too in how it performes.
Wish it was freeware." }-

Could you run a file search for Authentium*.* ?

I remember that I found that dir in 2007 August during a Sw spin.

Mike

[computer geek]

-{ Quote: "Interface looks nice and clean.
I am interested too in how it performes.
Wish it was freeware." }-
your dreams have come true- http://www.iolo.com/ads/vnu/avpromo.aspx

[waters]

iolo technologies' new antivirus and firewall delivered to retail stores in time for Microsoft Vista launch

iolo technologies today announced the release of its new Internet security solutions: iolo AntiVirus™ and iolo Personal Firewall™. iolo AntiVirus defends against viruses, worms, and other infections through real-time detection, integrated email scanning, and scheduled inspections. iolo Personal Firewall blocks hackers and identity thieves from getting in and stops malicious programs from sending private information out. Both iolo AntiVirus and iolo Personal Firewall are compatible with the new Windows® Vista® operating system and scheduled to arrive at stores in mid to late January.

Rather than licensing third-party products as in the past, iolo decided to use its own extensive security experience to design iolo AntiVirus and iolo Personal Firewall internally. These solutions use technology developed exclusively by iolo's engineering staff, and they capitalize on a proven expertise in creating innovative software products for Windows-based PCs. iolo AntiVirus (West Coast Labs-certified) and iolo Personal Firewall (pending similar certification) provide a complete solution to PC protection, with a robust feature set and several noteworthy innovations:

[flyrfan111]

I know what their website says, but F-Prot uses a rather unique method of naming malware and the "New" iolo just happens to name malware the same way. Just one of those things that make you go "hmmmmm"

They also claim to have experience "creating" innovative software when up to now they have always used/licensed other companies products so I wonder where they got all of this experience. I am not making accusations, just wondering.

[waters]

Well i just tried finding the latest threats on fprot site and doing a search for these on iolo threat center and they were no records

[flyrfan111]

Iolo's latest threat is W32/Downldr2.AXIB


A cut and paste from Authentium's site describing their new name scheme;

Malware Name Changes

With the definition file release that just got posted there has been some significant renaming of some malware families. This was done for technical reasons.

Some of the families renamed are the W32/Downloader2 family that got renamed to W32/Downldr2. Other changes also included removing some postfixes like @spy. The @mm and @m postfixes will not be removed. Other family names may also be changed in the next few days.

This will influence a significant number of entries in our databases but will have no influence on the actual detection rates or effectiveness of the technology.


http://blogs.authentium.com/virusblog/?p=184

F-Prot malware dictionary site is way behind

Their threat center shows Netsky P as the 5th most detected today and iolo's shows it as the most detected today, notice the same names

http://www.f-prot.com/virusinfo/index.html/

http://www.iolo.com/threatcenter/

Sure looks like the same naming scheme to me, which means the same engine as there is a reason Authentium and F-prot name things the way they do, it has to do with how the engine detects things.

[waters]

Ok i checked on fprot site ,it may be authentium then

[flyrfan111]

Authentium uses the F-Prot engine as well.

[flyrfan111]

Authentium's threat matrix;

http://www.authentium.com/threatmatrix/

Iolo's Threat Center

http://www.iolo.com/threatcenter/

Again, very stunningly similar names to Iolo's supposed "New" product

And the top five 5 threats are even in the same order for god's sake,

Me thinks iolo is pulling a scam and making people THINK they developed their own AV product.

[tec505]

-{ Quote: "Authentium uses the F-Prot engine as well." }-

Could anyone try a file search for Authentium*.* ? Or try a search in win-registry?

I remember that I found that dir in 2007 August during a Sw spin.

Mike

[waters]

Yes i get the same, free with virgin pc guard which uses authentium.Authentium adds its own definitions themselves

[Bunkhouse Buck]

-{ Quote: "Authentium's threat matrix;

http://www.authentium.com/threatmatrix/

Iolo's Threat Center

http://www.iolo.com/threatcenter/

Again, very stunningly similar names to Iolo's supposed "New" product

And the top five 5 threats are even in the same order for god's sake,

Me thinks iolo is pulling a scam and making people THINK they developed their own AV product." }-

I could write a book about my experiences with their software and how they do business. Without being specific, I would certainly look for protection elsewhere.

[flyrfan111]

-{ Quote: "Yes i get the same, free with virgin pc guard which uses authentium.Authentium adds its own definitions themselves" }-

Defs are put out jointly, Frisk adds defs as does Authentium/Command and users of both products get the same defs.

I would imagine people using products with the same engine would also be getting the same defs as well.

[waters]

Authentium uses F-Prot engine and is able to add virus defs themselves

[flyrfan111]

Yes, but F-Prot users will get those defs just as Authentium users get F-Prot defs.

[waters]

So you think they would score the same?

[Blackcat]

-{ Quote: "Authentium uses F-Prot engine and is able to add virus defs themselves" }-
But don't forget that Authentium still uses the old Frisk engine which detects considerably less than the new FPAV6 one.

[waters]

Yes thet is what i was getting at,all is not the same.

[acr1965]

But in the big picture of things, this still looks like a pretty good deal if it is free for a year. No?

[computer geek]

-{ Quote: "But in the big picture of things, this still looks like a pretty good deal if it is free for a year. No?" }-
no...

[C.S.J]

iolo dont use Authentium, or F-Prot or panda or kaspersky.

they use their own engine, untried and untested.

is it good, bad?

who really knows.

[Technodrome]

-{ Quote: "iolo dont use Authentium, or F-Prot or panda or kaspersky.

they use their own engine, untried and untested.

is it good, bad?

who really knows." }-

Incorrect. They use Authentium engine(aka f-prot 3.xx).


tD

[C.S.J]

not according to their staff they dont ???

anyway,


good to see you back posting in here, not seen you posting for a while... especially not in the av threads :)

[Technodrome]

-{ Quote: "not according to their staff they dont ???" }- You didn't ask the right person. ;)

-{ Quote: " anyway,


good to see you back posting in here, not seen you posting for a while... especially not in the av threads :)" }-

Thanks, I've been busy...:lurking:


tD

[C.S.J]

-{ Quote: "You didn't ask the right person. ;)

" }-
your probably right,

most 'so-called staff' dont know what they are talking about.

either way, i would not trust iolo's antivirus at the moment.

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ppk, damn that tune is old :)

get updated, but thats for a different thread :D

[Technodrome]

When you install Iolo AV and look under "Common Files" folder you’ll see "Authentium" folder. Also if you look at various other files and drivers you will see that they belong to Authentium Inc. Simple as that....:)


PPK is a Classic....8)


tD

[C.S.J]

lol ok, their staff are stupid then.

which means.... if you need support, ask here instead :)

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yeah, but its old.

www.htid.co.uk

:D

[xandros]

ilo ??? antivirus ???
you will leave all antiviruses forxample: kav,antivir,drweb,norton,nod32,mcafee and you will use ilo antivirus ???

maybe after 8 or 10 years i will think to install ilo on my computer

[tec505]

-{ Quote: "When you install Iolo AV and look under "Common Files" folder you’ll see "Authentium" folder. Also if you look at various other files and drivers you will see that they belong to Authentium Inc. Simple as that....:)


PPK is a Classic....8)


tD" }-

Here it is!!
That's what I tried to say two times in this thread: Authentium Folder. That's what I found during my last test in August 07.

Thank you.
Mike

[flyrfan111]

Thanks for bringing up this thread. Frisk was unaware of this situation and will be looking into it. Should I hear of the result, I will let you know.

[jrmhng]

-{ Quote: "Thanks for bringing up this thread. Frisk was unaware of this situation and will be looking into it. Should I hear of the result, I will let you know." }-

Are you suggesting that iolo was using the old fprot/command engine without the correct license?

[Frisk]

A small clarification:

Authentium licenses the F-PROT technology from us, and they in turn sub-license it to others. We here in Iceland may not even be aware of those sub-licensees - they have no direct contact with us.

As for Iolo, I had not heard of them before today, but it seems they are indeed licensing Authentium's technology, corresponding to F-PROT 3.x. We are not actively supporting that technology any more, and only release updates to the v3 definition files once per week for the last few remaining customers and even that will stop in a few months. Authentium can build and release definition files independent of us, so they may release updates much more frequently, even after we stop distributing those files.

There is a very significant difference between the F-PROT v3 and v4 technology, but the most important is that v4 has three independent heuristic "engines" (GSA, Maximus and Eldorado), where v3 has only a partial implementation of Maximus, and is missing GSA and Eldorado altogether.

As a very high percentage of "new" malware is now detected heuristically by us, there is a substantial (and growing) difference in detection rate between v3 and v4.

As for when/if Iolo will start using the v4 technology, I have no idea.

[jrmhng]

-{ Quote: "A small clarification:

Authentium licenses the F-PROT technology from us, and they in turn sub-license it to others. We here in Iceland may not even be aware of those sub-licensees - they have no direct contact with us.

As for Iolo, I had not heard of them before today, but it seems they are indeed licensing Authentium's technology, corresponding to F-PROT 3.x. We are not actively supporting that technology any more, and only release updates to the v3 definition files once per week for the last few remaining customers and even that will stop in a few months. Authentium can build and release definition files independent of us, so they may release updates much more frequently, even after we stop distributing those files.

There is a very significant difference between the F-PROT v3 and v4 technology, but the most important is that v4 has three independent heuristic "engines" (GSA, Maximus and Eldorado), where v3 has only a partial implementation of Maximus, and is missing GSA and Eldorado altogether.

As a very high percentage of "new" malware is now detected heuristically by us, there is a substantial (and growing) difference in detection rate between v3 and v4.

As for when/if Iolo will start using the v4 technology, I have no idea." }-

Welcome to the Wilders forums and thanks for the reply.
Do you have any idea on whether Authentium will move from v3 engine to the v4 engine?

[flyrfan111]

-{ Quote: "Are you suggesting that iolo was using the old fprot/command engine without the correct license?" }-

No, as i said, I was not making accusations but the statements on their web site did not seem to be plausible and that Frisk was unaware of any license agreement. As Frisk clarified, and Technodrome said earlier, they are using the F-Prot version 3 engine through an arrangement with Authentium. Why they choose to claim it is their engine is beyond me, seems like false advertising to me.

As for when Authentium goes to the new engine, I doubt that Frisk would know. Here is a blog entry in their blog about it back in July;

http://blogs.authentium.com/virusblog/?p=181

I could find no other mention of when they will be switching or if they already have.

[jrmhng]

-{ Quote: "As Frisk clarified, and Technodrome said earlier, they are using the F-Prot version 3 engine through an arrangement with Authentium. Why they choose to claim it is their engine is beyond me, seems like false advertising to me." }-

Perhaps to most consumers, a brand new AV engine sounds more 'exciting'.

[Perman]

-{ Quote: "
Wish it was freeware." }-

Hi, it is now, free license for one year, if you go to this site:


http://www.raymond.cc/blog/

[qpok]

Well I installed the Iolo Antivirus just to test it (and ofc the free 1 year licence is nice) but am I the only one who can not download virus definitions? Actually the whole download center for Iolo products seems to be down. Even had to get the AV through googled download mirror.

If it's indeed so, well then it certainly won't leave a good first impression.

[Arin]

-{ Quote: "That's what I tried to say two times in this thread: Authentium Folder. That's what I found during my last test in August 07." }-

Not only that. If you check Iolo's Virus Definition version and compare it with Authentium (http://www.authentium.com/mainv2/updates.asp), you'll see that Iolo just copies the definition files from Authentium servers to their server.

So Iolo just made the frontend and claiming that the whole freaking technology is their brainchild. :dry:

Moreover, there is no right-click scan option. You have to access the GUI to invoke custom path scan.

Last night I saw Eldorado detection from Authentium. ;D Now I wonder what kinda contract Iolo has with Authentium.

[Fajo]

-{ Quote: "Not only that. If you check Iolo's Virus Definition version and compare it with Authentium (http://www.authentium.com/mainv2/updates.asp), you'll see that Iolo just copies the definition files from Authentium servers to their server.

So Iolo just made the frontend and claiming that the whole freaking technology is their brainchild. :dry:

Moreover, there is no right-click scan option. You have to access the GUI to invoke custom path scan.

Last night I saw Eldorado detection from Authentium. ;D Now I wonder what kinda contract Iolo has with Authentium." }-

you do realize the last person besides the one above you posted almost 6 months ago right ? :argh:

[andylau]

-{ Quote: "Not only that. If you check Iolo's Virus Definition version and compare it with Authentium (http://www.authentium.com/mainv2/updates.asp), you'll see that Iolo just copies the definition files from Authentium servers to their server.

So Iolo just made the frontend and claiming that the whole freaking technology is their brainchild. :dry:

Moreover, there is no right-click scan option. You have to access the GUI to invoke custom path scan.

Last night I saw Eldorado detection from Authentium. ;D Now I wonder what kinda contract Iolo has with Authentium." }-

I saw Eldorado detection from Authentium in VT(for example this sample (http://www.virustotal.com/analisis/a2bced6758df33a33acb4dc635521dd7)),
but Authentium AV v4.95's engine is still the old engine of F-Prot v3:lurking:, hoping to know when it will use the new engine in thier product.;D

[Arin]

@Fajo

No I didn't. :-[

@Andylau

Fridrik already made it clear that if it has Eldorado then its *not* F-Prot v3. Now take a look at this and notice the version number for Authentium.

http://www.virustotal.com/analisis/6a99af17ceecd9779e6a044c48cec7d3

If Iolo's contract with Authentium is similar to Authentium's contract with F-Prot then its good news. :P But maybe its asking for too much.

[andylau]

-{ Quote: "
@Andylau

Fridrik already made it clear that if it has Eldorado then its *not* F-Prot v3. Now take a look at this and notice the version number for Authentium.

http://www.virustotal.com/analisis/6a99af17ceecd9779e6a044c48cec7d3

If Iolo's contract with Authentium is similar to Authentium's contract with F-Prot then its good news. :P But maybe its asking for too much." }-
Yes, I see.

But the engine 5.1.0.4 is a command line scanner, I cannot find that this engine is integrated in its(Authentium) products. Therefore, I think Iolo needs to wait until Authentium integrate the engine in its products.