Dr Web beta 5 ?

[disinter1]

Why can't beta testing start with version 5 already?

[C.S.J]

{QUOTE-> Why can't beta testing start with version 5 already? <-QUOTE}
i honestly wonder the same thing :-\

64bit drweb beta is first, and even that hasnt arrived yet ???

i wish i could tell you v5 beta will be arriving soon to try, but i cant..... and doubt it will be soon

[n8chavez]

Promises, promises......that's all we have. It has been years since the last major upgrade to Dr Web. Sure they try and appease the loyal with minor updates, but nothing revolutionary. Developement is too slow with Dr Web.

[C.S.J]

{QUOTE-> Promises, promises......that's all we have. It has been years since the last major upgrade to Dr Web. Sure they try and appease the loyal with minor updates, but nothing revolutionary. Developement is too slow with Dr Web. <-QUOTE}
you already forgot 4.44?

advanced rootkit detection and removal, new GUI, and new heuristics, aswell as improvements under the hood.

i wouldnt call that years, however.. i do agree that drweb are 'way to slow' on program upgrades.

[n8chavez]

{QUOTE-> you already forgot 4.44?

advanced rootkit detection and removal, new GUI, and new heuristics, aswell as improvements under the hood.

i wouldnt call that years, however.. i do agree that drweb are 'way to slow' on program upgrades. <-QUOTE}

You are somewhat correct, 4.44 was a important update. However, I don't think the GUI was entirely new; it was just tweaked a little. Everything, with the exception of RK detection, was just tweaked in 4.44. I'm waiting for the promised complete rewrite.

[C.S.J]

{QUOTE-> You are somewhat correct, 4.44 was a important update. However, I don't think the GUI was entirely new; it was just tweaked a little. Everything, with the exception of RK detection, was just tweaked in 4.44. I'm waiting for the promised complete rewrite. <-QUOTE}
no,

.origin tracing was not tweaked from a previous version.

it took over 12 months to develop.

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it doesnt need a complete rewrite, that is just stupid.

there will be a new scanner in V5, and a new 'fresh GUI' aswell as too many features to mention.

[n8chavez]

{QUOTE-> no,

.origin tracing was not tweaked from a previous version.

it took over 12 months to develop.

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it doesnt need a complete rewrite, that is just stupid.

there will be a new scanner in V5, and a new 'fresh GUI' aswell as too many features to mention. <-QUOTE}

Those are the two things I was refering to when I said "rewrite." So, we agree there. Also, and this make be OT, but is RK detection available in CureIt? I recently worked on an infected system that CureIt was not abe to cire. Actually, only VBA32 beta was able to fix the RK part of the infection.

[computer geek]

{QUOTE-> i honestly wonder the same thing :-\

64bit drweb beta is first, and even that hasnt arrived yet ???

i wish i could tell you v5 beta will be arriving soon to try, but i cant..... and doubt it will be soon <-QUOTE}
any rough guesses on V5 beta?

[gates]

{QUOTE-> any rough guesses on V5 beta? <-QUOTE}
Dr.web support told me that they release first beta-version of Dr.Web 5 at first half of this year.

[Blackcat]

{QUOTE-> Developement is too slow with Dr Web. <-QUOTE}
The problem with ALL SMALL vendors.

[C.S.J]

{QUOTE-> I'm waiting for the promised complete rewrite. <-QUOTE}
and who promised you a complete re-write?

features from previous versions will still exist in V5.

{QUOTE-> any rough guesses on V5 beta? <-QUOTE}

nope.

[C.S.J]

@ computer geek

they dont give out dates, or even timezones anymore. :(

but if we just take a guess at March/April, would that ease your mind? *lol*

last year, i would hoping for a January/February Beta release, but i think its getting pushed back a few months for the beta release of 64bit drweb.

but you never know, they could surprise us and release the beta tomorrow. :thumb:

im interested in their self protection, http scanner and a 'proper' quarantine, and of course a brand new 'flashy' GUI :)

but there really are too many features to list, (and those are only what i know of....)

we will just have to wait :(

and lets hope its not a flop like nod32 3.0

[computer geek]

{QUOTE-> @ computer geek

they dont give out dates, or even timezones anymore. :(

but if we just take a guess at March/April, would that ease your mind? *lol*

last year, i would hoping for a January/February Beta release, but i think its getting pushed back a few months for the beta release of 64bit drweb.

but you never know, they could surprise us and release the beta tomorrow. :thumb:

im interested in their self protection, http scanner and a 'proper' quarantine, and of course a brand new 'flashy' GUI :)

but there really are too many features to list, (and those are only what i know of....)

we will just have to wait :(

and lets hope its not a flop like nod32 3.0 <-QUOTE}
I know, eset seems to have rushed it all a bit, I'm really hoping for a beta by may, can't you pester them and tell them to release a beta tommarow every day? LOL

[C.S.J]

I won't keep pestering them, no.

But I will keep digging for the news of course ;)

[computer geek]

{QUOTE-> I won't keep pestering them, no.

But I will keep digging for the news of course ;) <-QUOTE}
I'll be pestering m:D c:D a:D f:D e:D e:D for 2009 soon!

[C.S.J]

I tried once again to find out some info,

Recieved a very rude reply,

ZERO RESPECT

name and shame you, ....

;)

[cdr]

{QUOTE-> I tried once again to find out some info,

Recieved a very rude reply,

ZERO RESPECT

name and shame you, ....

;) <-QUOTE}
:) Well, thanks for trying!:D We can only hope that it will be released early this year.;)

[C.S.J]

its only been in development for 2+ years........ ::)

not only that, when i buy a 2/3/4/5 year licence or whatever for ANY company, i want to know about what it will be like in that time, there is no point buying a massive licence like that, if the product is going nowhere or will be rubbish in the years to come.

also, i can already find out and use such products like AVG 8, KAV 8 etc etc, without really trying, at least these companys give their customers some 'piece of mind' about what is coming.

not only that, but those products are already in betas, and have been developed for a WAYYYYYY less time.

by the time drweb release their v5, i believe it will probably be outdated and we will have to wait another year or 2 to try and catch up, but even then..... everyone else would have released another 3 versions.

i dont need them pissing me off, when i have plenty of F-secure licences and 4 years of AVG to play around with, not even counting on my prevx licences.

*they need to show a little respect to their customers who pay good dollar, and not only that.... but free marketing and advertising :D

jackass.

[C.S.J]

{QUOTE-> Thanks but running as admin on XP Pro. <-QUOTE}
can we switch this back to beta 5 now, and how poo they are about giving out any information to their customers, giving rude replys on questions for V5 and basically.. this is the slowest program update in the history of all programs. :D

if time keeps going on.... Microsoft would have developed Vista in a shorter amount of time than drweb for v5. :thumbd:

[Blackcat]

{QUOTE-> this is the slowest program update in the history of all programs. :D

<-QUOTE}
The update from F-Prot 3 to FPAV6 would give the Dr Web transition a good run for its money :-X

I'm afraid, as I have stated many times before, the small vendors cannot push out MAJOR upgrades as quickly as the bigger companies such as Kaspersky.

[C.S.J]

excuses.......

if they cant handle the heat, they shouldnt be in the kitchen.

[Bubba]

{QUOTE-> can we switch this back to beta 5 now <-QUOTE}Yes We can and have moved a number of off topic posts to a separate thread for further discussion :dry:

Continued here---> http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=198509

Let's attempt to keep this thread discussion confined to Dr Web beta 5 ? Please

[lodore]

tbh what is really wrong with drweb 4.44?
engine is decent,updates are fast and i havent found any bugs in the short time i trialed it. also its light on the system.
i think drweb should definatly keep the manual editing via the .ini file very useful for techs.
the main thing missing is a http scanner. but its in development.
the ondemand scanner maybe be slow but so are others.
unlike most companies they arent rushing buggy software out the door. give them a break.
lodore

[Blackcat]

{QUOTE-> excuses.... <-QUOTE}
Not an excuse. Just reality.

The small vendors are working flat out simply to keep up with the ever increasing malware and to provide a stable version for Vista ( some of the smaller companies still have not released a gold Vista version). They simply have not got the manpower to push out a new upgrade every year like some of their bigger brethren.

As with FPAV6, Dr Web 5 will appear when they are ready to release it; other than this is mere speculation. Dr Web users not happy with the present progress should simply switch to another AV.

[computer geek]

{QUOTE-> I tried once again to find out some info,

Recieved a very rude reply,

ZERO RESPECT

name and shame you, .....

;) <-QUOTE}
what did they say exactly?

[trjam]

{QUOTE-> I tried once again to find out some info,

Recieved a very rude reply,

ZERO RESPECT

name and shame you, name.

;) <-QUOTE}
Chris, you should edit this name out.

[SystemJunkie]

{QUOTE-> .. i do agree that drweb are 'way to slow' on program upgrades. <-QUOTE}very lazy system indeed.. this is a dead end story.
I guess over short or long this scanner will have no future except they would recode or improve the whole thing and hiring people to speed up the whole process.

[computer geek]

{QUOTE-> Chris, you should edit this name out. <-QUOTE}
yeah, i agree on that part.

[BlueZannetti]

{QUOTE-> yeah, i agree on that part. <-QUOTE}On further reflection, I'd also tend to agree, therefore name removed. For future reference, how about we not go about personalizing every less than stellar experience that we may suffer? At times we lose sight of the exceptional service that these same individuals provide on a daily basis and in my personal experience, there are language nuances that are occasionally lost in these email exchanges.

That may or may not be germane here, but that really doesn't matter. We're dealing with an inexpensive program and if there are fundamental issues with how DrWeb conducts their affairs, the market will come to grips with that in time. The consumer market can be a harsh taskmaster as all too many entrepreneurs have learned and will continue to learn.

Meanwhile, the standard advice applies as always - purchase and use based on current performance, not future promise.

Blue

[C.S.J]

{QUOTE-> Dr Web users not happy with the present progress should simply switch to another AV. <-QUOTE}
yeah, something i am considering.

[C.S.J]

{QUOTE-> tbh what is really wrong with drweb 4.44?
engine is decent,updates are fast and i havent found any bugs in the short time i trialed it. also its light on the system.
i think drweb should definatly keep the manual editing via the .ini file very useful for techs.
the main thing missing is a http scanner. but its in development.
the ondemand scanner maybe be slow but so are others.
unlike most companies they arent rushing buggy software out the door. give them a break.
lodore <-QUOTE}
nothing wrong with the current version at all, but its lacking features.

mainly a proper quarentine, no restore features at all, which quite frankly means sending anything there is useless, if you cant restore it if its an FP etc.

[Threedog]

Don't tell me yer falling off the Dr's wagon?

[C.S.J]

{QUOTE-> Don't tell me yer falling off the Dr's wagon? <-QUOTE}
not at all, just frustrated with their lack of information, lack of speed for program upgrades, Russian ignorance, and just plain -C mentality.

edit: also, ive never been one to jump on the bandwagon, especially not with drweb.

[Threedog]

{QUOTE-> not at all, just frustrated with their lack of information, lack of speed for program upgrades, Russian ignorance, and just plain -C mentality.

edit: also, ive never been one to jump on the bandwagon, especially not with drweb. <-QUOTE}

I am always of the school to believe nothing what I hear and half what I see. Especially when they start talking about future plans. My main concern is that what they have now works.

No, I don't know who "They" are either but they seem to always be saying something.

[SystemJunkie]

{QUOTE-> not at all, just frustrated with their lack of information, lack of speed for program upgrades, Russian ignorance, <-QUOTE}Lol, yes thats why russians are hiring german architects. ;D ;D ;D

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> nothing wrong with the current version at all, but its lacking features.

mainly a proper quarentine, no restore features at all, which quite frankly means sending anything there is useless, if you cant restore it if its an FP etc. <-QUOTE}

I gave Dr. Web a good test, but went back to Avira. Dr. Web is primitive (lacks advanced features) and the company likely is short of capital for proper R&D. That is why it takes so long to get out a new version-they don't have the money plain and simple. It is not about quality control- if they had the capital they could control quality and get new versions out in a timely manner.

My view is that good Dr. has been bettered by other vendors. Waiting for improvements is like waiting for Godot- (never came).

[C.S.J]

{QUOTE-> I gave Dr. Web a good test, but went back to Avira. Dr. Web is primitive (lacks advanced features) and the company likely is short of capital for proper R&D. That is why it takes so long to get out a new version-they don't have the money plain and simple. It is not about quality control- if they had the capital they could control quality and get new versions out in a timely manner.

My view is that good Dr. has been bettered by other vendors. Waiting for improvements is like waiting for Godot- (never came). <-QUOTE}
this is not true, they have more than enough money and resources to improve.

Boris himself said this, and promised improvements.

im still yet to see them.

{QUOTE-> There will be a quarantine, managed in a special databse - not in the V5, probably, but in the Control Center which will be ready earlier than V5 (V5 is basically the new engine for all the products in the line, not just a desktop version). <-QUOTE}

so, could this be around the corner?

who knows.....

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> this is not true, they have more than enough money and resources to improve.

Boris himself said this, and promised improvements.

im still yet to see them.



so, could this be around the corner?

who knows..... <-QUOTE}

I guess you are going to wait for the alleged improvements (but you have yet to see them). Me, I don't have the time.

[C.S.J]

well, there are tons of improvements with V5.

but the only feature i NEED that is not in 4.44, is a proper quarentine with restore.

and if my quoted text is true, this should arrive BEFORE v5 in a unified control centre.

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> well, there are tons of improvements with V5.

but the only feature i NEED that is not in 4.44, is a proper quarentine with restore.

and if my quoted text is true, this should arrive BEFORE v5 in a unified control centre. <-QUOTE}

Time will tell...

[computer geek]

hehe, i asked the support team when it will come out and they plainly ignored me like i was made out of weetabix. ;D

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> hehe, i asked the support team when it will come out and they plainly ignored me like i was made out of weetabix. ;D <-QUOTE}

Maybe you mistakenly emailed the old "support" team of the KGB...

[computer geek]

{QUOTE-> Maybe you mistakenly emailed the old "support" team of the KGB... <-QUOTE}
nope.

[Bunkhouse Buck]

{QUOTE-> nope. <-QUOTE}

It was a joke.

[computer geek]

{QUOTE-> It was a joke. <-QUOTE}
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :thumb: :thumb:

[Badcompany]

Tried again to get some info from drweb on beta-5, there attitude is just unbelievable.So it's good-bye drweb, and hello Antivir.Lets hope these Germans have better manors.
Badcompany.

[C.S.J]

{QUOTE-> Tried again to get some info from drweb on beta-5, there attitude is just unbelievable.So it's good-bye drweb, and hello Antivir.Lets hope these Germans have better manors.
Badcompany. <-QUOTE}
yep, they do not like.....

1. giving info about V5
2. giving possible beta release timeframe
3. questions related to V5

i wish they would!

whats the big secret, they should be telling their customers.

[SystemJunkie]

{QUOTE-> .Lets hope these Germans have better manors. <-QUOTE}
surely better then russians but in terms of commercial things nothing is never for sure

[Badcompany]

{QUOTE-> 1. giving info about V5
2. giving possible beta release timeframe
3. questions related to V5

i wish they would!

whats the big secret, they should be telling their customers. <-QUOTE}I agree 100%, There is no reason to have this type of attitude.
Badcompany

[Macstorm]

Surely they think about their customers as spies from competitors trying to steal info about upcoming technology, especially if you are not located in Russia :lurking: (like you all here, users of the Dr.)

You spies! ;D

[C.S.J]

{QUOTE-> Surely they think about their customers as spies from competitors trying to steal info about upcoming technology, especially if you are not located in Russia :lurking: (like you all here, users of the Dr.)

You spies! ;D <-QUOTE}
funny comment Mac, but this is exactly how it feels when trying to get info about upcoming releases/betas. :blink:

i blame Daniloff for this, he probably keeps everything to himself till he has to, and probably uses this for drweb and his staff.

[shorty1]

Very romantic theories being thrown about here for sure. But I believe the truth is much more mundane. My guess is the truth is closer to this ... A small company with limited resources struggling to keep pace with new threats, a Vista compatible version etc. Further, anticipated release dates that are announced are easily missed by months, and in some cases, years. This leads to people feeling like they've been lied to. So they go with the theory that you don't tell them anything because they honestly can't be sure when they can deliver the goods. Again, people get annoyed and frustrated. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. Either way people aren't going to be happy.

[risl]

You just cant give detailed information about features, because problems might appear during coding and testing. Same applies with giving detailed release dates, you simply _DON'T_ know if any bugs will be found 5 minutes before this already given release date. Simple basics of coding & testing process. You don't want to make your customers disappointed with these "broken promises." I believe they are just being careful here and don't want to make people too hyped about it before it's even in public testing.

[huangker]

Is there actually an issue with the company going bust? If it is having so much trouble just keeping its head above water...

[risl]

{QUOTE-> Is there actually an issue with the company going bust? If it is having so much trouble just keeping its head above water... <-QUOTE}

How so? They have made new partners and have released new versions lately for different platforms. 4.44 enterprise version was introduced, Spider shield was updated to defeat some complicated rootkit/backdoor and also some bugfixes were made to spider guard. It's not that long ago when 4.44 was released with new features and optimizations and "My Dr.Web" support page. If I remember correctly, they even have new office.

I'd say the water is having trouble reaching the head. ;)

[C.S.J]

i expect drweb is fine on resources :thumb:

[Blackcat]

{QUOTE-> Is there actually an issue with the company going bust? If it is having so much trouble just keeping its head above water... <-QUOTE}
They have expanded recently so I very much doubt that this is an issue.

But as I have stated many times before and shorty1 has also just remarked above, you cannot expect the same sort of progress with new features/upgrades as with the bigger vendors. The smaller fish such as DW, F-Prot and VBA32 will always appear to just be treading water in keeping up with adding signatures, never mind in releasing new program versions ( Frisk and VirusBlokAda have still not released Vista-compatible versions ).

DW have been busy of late; they have carried out a lot of work on their web-site over the last 18 months; improved on-line support; have a number of teams for both Windows and Unix systems and in-house testing the up and coming version 5.

However, if present users are not happy with their progress then simply switch AV. IMO, DW still offers very good protection, particularly when part of a layered defense.

[Badcompany]

I don't have a problem with the length of time drweb takes to up-date, or the release of a new version, It's there attitude to customers that pi** me off.All they have to say to anyone who e-mails them about up and coming versions is: We are working hard on these new versions for are customers, We don't want to release a version that will coarse are customers problems.We want people to enjoy are products and feel secure.If I would have received a similar e-mail I would still be with the dr, and not moved to Avira.
Badcompany.

[Bunkhouse Buck]

While I like Dr. Web right behind Avira, a company is playing with fire if they do not respect their customers and respond to inquires in a timely and professional manner. It appears the good Dr. may need some help in this area. It is bad business (obviously) to risk alienating your clientele. As to release of new versions, that is their right to do whatever they want. They need to realize that if they do not keep up with industry standards, they are at risk.

[computer geek]

{QUOTE-> While I like Dr. Web right behind Avira, a company is playing with fire if they do not respect their customers and respond to inquires in a timely and professional manner. It appears the good Dr. may need some help in this area. It is bad business (obviously) to risk alienating your clientele. As to release of new versions, that is their right to do whatever they want. They need to realize that if they do not keep up with industry standards, they are at risk. <-QUOTE}
i just think that they are adding an extremely new thing and don't want other people to take it and use it. ;D

[C.S.J]

what drweb dont understand is, customers with 2/3 year licences or thinking of purchasing one of those... NEED to know what is coming and when, and where the company will be in that timeframe.

[BlueZannetti]

{QUOTE-> what drweb dont understand is, customers with 2/3 year licences or thinking of purchasing one of those... NEED to know what is coming and when, and where the company will be in that timeframe. <-QUOTE}C.S.J.,

I really don't believe that's possible.

Turn the view around and look at the past. Was information current 3 years ago necessarily indicative of the state of these products today - at least with respect to some of the details everyone in this thread is requesting? I'd have a hard time saying yes to that.

A lot of the new feature set specifics which have emerged in that timeframe weren't on the radar screen at the time. On the other hand, gross performance at the time has generally been a decently constant or predictive indicator. While some products have made strides in detection, the major players have really not seen precipitous drops in performance.

While it may be interesting as a matter of curiosity, nobody really should be purchasing an extended term license based on a conjectured multiyear roadmap that history suggests is very fluid. Purchases should be made on the basis of today's products. As for where specific vendors will be 2-3 years hence...., that's a crystal that we'd all like to have.

Blue