F-Secure

[s4u]

I see more and more people using F-Secure around here. Is it really that good? Is it doing some good things?

[trjam]

Even though the cost is about the same, I prefer the AV with DeepGuard and Sandboxie over the suite.

[s4u]

But why F-secure?
And why not the suite?

[C.S.J]

i would also choose the AV over the suite, as i dont need such things as parental control etc.

i dont think many people do use it on here,it tends to be mainly avira, nod and kaspersky on these boards, maybe you have seen my profile change and wondered? :P

~snipped....removed un-necessary idle chit chat....Bubba~

[JerryM]

I used it for close to a year, and liked it. I have as much confidence in it as KIS, which I am using due to the special offers.

I would not hesitate to return to it. It took a minute or so longer to load than most others, but ran very well when it updated and smoothed out after start. I found FS the best "Install and forget" AV and suite that I have used.

I would probably go for the suite again if I returned to FS.

PS
I think there is an auction for 25 OEM FSIS still available. If I recall correctly the cost here in the US would end up being about $45 or so. At least I think that is GBP 13.99 plus about 4 or 5 more for shipping to the US.

Best,
Jerry

[tiagozt]

FS is doing a very good job... A license can be used in 3 computers, in 2008 we don't have slow down as saw in previous versions.
The only problem I already reported to FS is the updates frquency in weekends and holidays... (1 or 2 updates in 48hours). I believe if Kaspersky can do regular updates other companies can do the same despite use of heuristic.
I think anyone should try FS (suite or not) and get their own conclusions.

[trjam]

That is where DeepGuard comes in, it is sort of like a HIPS. Even between updates you are very well protected.

[tiagozt]

trjam, I know... DeepGuard is very good as heuristic engine but sometimes it can't substitute signatures... F-Secure have a excelent combination signature + heuristic... It's the reason I think it's better than NOD32 (poor signatures, good* heuristic) and Kaspersky** (excelent signatures and poor heuristic).

*Heuristic of NOD32 don't work for trojan made in Brazil and it's the reason I don't recommend the AV anymore. Otherwise they need many days or weeks to add signatures. It's the biggest mistake of ESET.

**Kaspersky have now a Beta of new heuristic engine.

F-Secure improving signature updates and maybe the heuristic, that is already very good now, will put the AV next to Avira, that I think in the moment is the best combination signatures + heuristic.

Best regards.

[C.S.J]

deepguard is heuristics / behavior blocker (hips)

This was solely the reason why fsecure would better kaspersky in the retro tests, however kaspersky now have their own heuristics

Deepguard tests very well as a hips if memory serves me right

[trjam]

IBK rated DeepGuard very well. Read here (http://www.f-secure.com/f-secure/pressroom/news/fs_news_20070620_01-eng.html)

[tisungho]

I'm using it at the moment. So far so good. Although it takes longer time to start up compared to other suites, I don't notice any slowdown at all. I'm really feeling safe after installing it.

[C.S.J]

cheers jeff, i knew my memory was correct :)

{QUOTE-> “Our test consisted of new virus samples for which no signatures yet exist. The fact that F-Secure could stop them all with its DeepGuard technology proves that such a behavior-based analysis of malware during run-time can be quite effective in stopping zero-day threats”, says Andreas Clementi, project manager at the AV-Comparatives test laboratory. <-QUOTE}

his name really gets around, doesn't it? ::)

[ren]

hello,

note : f-secure release "v2" of deepguard recently http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00001324.html

[Sjoeii]

I believe it is being tested in their ISTP

[Thankful]

Couple of questions:

1. DeepGuard is included as part of the AV?
2. The only price I see for the AV is 65.90 Euros on the website.
Is this right? Seems expensive.

Thanks.

[C.S.J]

Yes deepguard is part of just the av,

Good prices can be found elsewhere :)

[tec505]

Some Discounts:

http://www.edv-buchversand.de/f-secure/index.php
https://store.f-secure.com/cgi-bin/cart?ID=FSIS2007B&PROMO=PYPC&clps=9&APX=pypc
http://www.f-secure.com/protectyourpc/

Best regards.
Mike

[Firecat]

In the F-Secure official eStore, use the Protect Your PC 50% discount to buy the F-Secure product of your choice (use this page: http://www.f-secure.com/protectyourpc). Then, during the purchase, change the currency to Indian Rupees (found on the left side of the order cart). Then you will receive a special discounted Indian price plus an extra 50% discount due to the Protect Your PC coupon. The prices work out as follows:

F-Secure IS 2008, 12-month, 3 PC = 1700 INR = 42 USD approx + additional 50% discount due to PYPC coupon, which means the final price is 850 INR or around 22 dollars ;)
F-Secure AV 2008, 12-month, 3 PC = 700 INR = 18 USD approx + additional 50% discount due to PYPC coupon, which means the final price is around 350 INR or around 9 dollars :)

You will be billed in INR instead of US Dollars but the overall price still works out to be much lower than your average F-Secure license ;)

[trjam]

It says page not found, appears eyes are watching.

[zfactor]

this came out cheaper in us dollars for me than the rupee's thing:

https://store.f-secure.com/cgi-bin/cart/curr=USD?ID=FSIS2007B&PROMO=PYPC&clps=9&APX=pypc

[trjam]

Dont see how. I just paid about $9.00 for 1-3 user 1 year license for the AV.;)

[zfactor]

how please explain??

[C.S.J]

{QUOTE-> how please explain?? <-QUOTE}
check your PM box.

Or...

listen to Firecat :)

[trjam]

And if you buy a second and insert the key after installing the first, walla, you now have 2 years for $18.00;)

[Firecat]

{QUOTE-> It says page not found, appears eyes are watching. <-QUOTE}
Page is working now....Seems the url link was put in wrongly in my previous post, sorry. :(

URL is corrected now in the previous post, so everything should work properly :)

[zfactor]

nice it works now..

[trjam]

{QUOTE-> nice it works now.. <-QUOTE}
go for it. I am locked in now till 2023 at this price with them.;)

[n8chavez]

{QUOTE-> go for it. I am locked in now till 2023 at this price with them.;) <-QUOTE}

Where can you get F-Secure for $9! I haven't seen it anywhere else for less than $40 / 3 person license.

[zfactor]

{QUOTE-> go for it. I am locked in now till 2023 at this price with them.;) <-QUOTE}

lol how is that possible??

[Sjoeii]

I was curious as well

[Firecat]

{QUOTE-> lol how is that possible?? <-QUOTE}
Well, you can purchase multiple license keys and you can enter them all into your F-Secure one after the other. Doing it this way *should* add an extra year for each additional license key you enter for your program.

Of course, you can store all your extra license keys and simply enter them when your existing license key expires - The keys will still work and will still offer the required license extension :)

To make use of the $9 F-Secure AV offer, see my previous post [#18] in this thread :)

[Technodrome]

{QUOTE->
Of course, you can store all your extra license keys and simply enter them when your existing license key expires - The keys will still work and will still offer the required license extension :)

To make use of the $9 F-Secure AV offer, see my previous post [#18] in this thread :) <-QUOTE}

I have 3 years(FIS 2004) old key that doesn't work anymore. You may want to check that detail again....


tD

[trjam]

{QUOTE-> Well, you can purchase multiple license keys and you can enter them all into your F-Secure one after the other. Doing it this way *should* add an extra year for each additional license key you enter for your program.

Of course, you can store all your extra license keys and simply enter them when your existing license key expires - The keys will still work and will still offer the required license extension :)

To make use of the $9 F-Secure AV offer, see my previous post [#18] in this thread :) <-QUOTE}
Bingo;)

[Technodrome]

{QUOTE-> Bingo;) <-QUOTE}

Did you read my post above? ;)


tD

[Firecat]

{QUOTE-> I have 3 years(FIS 2004) old key that doesn't work anymore. You may want to check that detail again....


tD <-QUOTE}
Well, then purchasing multiple keys and entering them into the F-Secure software one after the other should still provide a large number of years :)

[trjam]

{QUOTE-> Well, then purchasing multiple keys and entering them into the F-Secure software one after the other should still provide a large number of years :) <-QUOTE}
Bingo;)

[C.S.J]

personally I wouldn't recommend doing this, is it really all that difficult to enter a small licence after 12 months use?

[trjam]

{QUOTE-> personally I wouldn't recommend doing this, is it really all that difficult to enter a small licence after 12 months use? <-QUOTE}
Bingo.:'(

keep in mind Chris, I never said I did this, only it can be done. F-Secure knows exactly where I stand with my account.

[Firecat]

{QUOTE-> personally I wouldn't recommend doing this, is it really all that difficult to enter a small licence after 12 months use? <-QUOTE}
No, it isn't, at least not for me.....I prefer purchasing licenses every year; and even now my F-Secure license is only a 1-year one :)

[sasa843]

{QUOTE-> Where can you get F-Secure for $9! I haven't seen it anywhere else for less than $40 / 3 person license. <-QUOTE}

Hello.

I can buy FSIS 2008 in my country, for example, for about 17 EUR. I think, but I am not 100% sure that this is the cheapest AV I can find on our market.

[Sjoeii]

€ 17 is not much is it?

[Firecat]

{QUOTE-> € 17 is not much is it? <-QUOTE}
Definitely more than $22, but not much anyway [around $25 US] :)

[sasa843]

Hello.

Yes, it's exactly $25 US.

[Macstorm]

I admire you people making plans for the future and buying years of extra licenses.
I don't even know where i'll be tomorrow :'(

oops...sorry for off topic post..;D

[trjam]

It appears the AV licenses from India for $9.00 are for 2 years.;)

[Sjoeii]

where, where................:P

[trjam]

https://store.f-secure.com/cgi-bin/cart/curr=INR?ID=FSAV2008B&PROMO=PYPC&clps=9&APX=pypc

or go here and choose the suite or AV, Change the currency rate to Indian rupee.
http://www.f-secure.com/protectyourpc/

the suite is around $21.00 for 2 years for 1-3 users.

[C.S.J]

better switch it to this thread Sjoeii, on topic then :)

{QUOTE-> Must be expensive a lifetime license for F-Secure <-QUOTE}

see?

195532

edit: i blanked out my licence code for OBVIOUS REASONS! *lol* :D

[trjam]

well for now it is F-Secure, but I have licences for a couple of years for Eset and want to get to the point where I can reinstall the suite. The fastest yet on resources are NOD 2.7, Esets 3.0 AV and Avira. F-Secure is good, but their is a lag compared to these. Just trying to be helpful.

[C.S.J]

of course it is heavier but it offers more in the package.

[trjam]

{QUOTE-> of course it is heavier but it offers more in the package. <-QUOTE}
I agree but just being open. If you expect blazing speed, it isnt quite there, but it damn sure will protect you.

[trjam]

but at the price you can get it for today at least, there is not a better deal going. I love the AV, the suite just doesnt give me that much more. But its firewall (http://www.matousec.com/projects/windows-personal-firewall-analysis/leak-tests-results.php) did a good rating from Matousecs.

[zfactor]

yeah i really like the suite but it just seems to heavy for me. i wish it wasnt... id buy up a few right now.. ill maybe try it again soon and see one more time

[C.S.J]

{QUOTE-> yeah i really like the suite but it just seems to heavy for me. i wish it wasnt... id buy up a few right now.. ill maybe try it again soon and see one more time <-QUOTE}
did you try installing without parental control, its an option at the start of the installation?

[JerryM]

{QUOTE-> did you try installing without parental control, its an option at the start of the installation? <-QUOTE}

Chris,
Have you found that the parental control slows the system or makes it heavy?
Thanks,
Jerry

[C.S.J]

{QUOTE-> Chris,
Have you found that the parental control slows the system or makes it heavy?
Thanks,
Jerry <-QUOTE}
yep, dont install it if you really dont need it Jerry.

the option at the start of the installation is there for a reason :)

[JerryM]

{QUOTE-> yep, dont install it if you really dont need it Jerry.

the option at the start of the installation is there for a reason :) <-QUOTE}

Thanks,
When I used FSIS I did not install it, as I have no children at home. I just wondered. I suppose it has to go through some checks to be able to do its job if PC is used.

Regards,
Jerry

[zfactor]

i will try it again as i dont remember if i installed it or not last time

[n8chavez]

I respect the opinions of those that have chosen to use F-Secure but in my opinion, and keep in mind I am a well known minimalist, this is complete crap. F-Secure uses way to many resources; 480 meg, and a total of 100+ megs of RAM total as compared to Dr Web. That's nuts!. Agreed, it might give great protection. But tell me how it is better than what I use; Dr Web, Rootkit unhooker, LnS, SSM Pro, system hardeners (Seaconfig, Secureit, hardenit). If it is better, does that outweight the costs? I don't think so.

[C.S.J]

vista reports only a 4 percent increase in ram compared to drweb, however I might agree that drweb is much lighter, but this is to be expected.

I think your setup isn't really good
n8, your using a rootkit program when you have drweb installed? Totally not needed

And lns, I would never use this, especially not on vista.

Also your setup definatly is
more pricey than what you can get fsecure for.

after my machine being on for a few hours, ram usage shows as follows:

less than 50mb (inc VM)

of course, this will increase with an on-demand scanner running, but this is the case with all AV's.

if you mean just of a ram usage program, it shows as 37.4mb.

[n8chavez]

{QUOTE-> I think your setup isn't really good <-QUOTE}

What complimentary apps do you think I need?

{QUOTE-> n8, your using a rootkit program when you have drweb installed? Totally not needed <-QUOTE}

True, but you can never be too careful.

{QUOTE-> And lns, I would never use this, especially not on vista. <-QUOTE}

Is there a better, and lighter firewall than LnS, especially with Phantom's latest ruleset? Also, I do not use Vista.

{QUOTE-> Also your setup definatly is
more pricey than what you can get fsecure for. <-QUOTE}

True, but F-Secure comes with other costs than just financial. And it's not like I got all these apps at once, rather slowly over time.

{QUOTE-> if you mean just of a ram usage program, it shows as 37.4mb. <-QUOTE}

When I make statements like I did I always look at the total numbers when judging the system effects of on app versus another. As you know, looking at single process numbers versus single process numbers can be very deceiving, as is the case here.

[JerryM]

I can't argue the technicalities of the various programs.
However, in my simple thinking, I don't care how many processes are running, or the resources an application uses as long as it does not bother me when I use the computer.

I never found FSIS slow except at start and that was over within 2 minutes. After that it always operated without any problems. I believe it is one of the very best security applications, and would use it again without qualms.

Please do not take this as flame or critical, but I fail to understand the "hang-up" about the number of processes or resource usage when it does not cause significant degradation of one's computer.

Regards,
Jerry

[n8chavez]

{QUOTE-> I can't argue the technicalities of the various programs.
However, in my simple thinking, I don't care how many processes are running, or the resources an application uses as long as it does not bother me when I use the computer.

I never found FSIS slow except at start and that was over within 2 minutes. After that it always operated without any problems. I believe it is one of the very best security applications, and would use it again without qualms.

Please do not take this as flame or critical, but I fail to understand the "hang-up" about the number of processes or resource usage when it does not cause significant degradation of one's computer.

Regards,
Jerry <-QUOTE}

I completely understand where you're coming from. But I believe it is possible to be "secured" without giving up an arm and a leg, reffering to system resources of course. Ithink your system should best be used by apps that are there for either productivity or entertainment, not soley for the use protection applications. Is that not the point of having a computer in the first place?

[JerryM]

{QUOTE-> I completely understand where you're coming from. But I believe it is possible to be "secured" without giving up an arm and a leg, reffering to system resources of course. Ithink your system should best be used by apps that are there for either productivity or entertainment, not soley for the use protection applications. Is that not the point of having a computer in the first place? <-QUOTE}

I can't argue with that, but as long as my system resources allow me to do what I want to do on the computer, why should I care about resource usage?
I have never noticed a problem with any program slowing me down after it starts and smooths out.

I ask this as I often see criticisms as to the number of processes used or the resources used. I have honestly wondered if this is just some hang up some have? I never check such things, and admit my lack of expertise in this field.

When you used FS did it prevent or seriously slow your machine so that you could not use it as you desired?

Regards,
Jerry

[Firecat]

{QUOTE-> https://store.f-secure.com/cgi-bin/cart/curr=INR?ID=FSAV2008B&PROMO=PYPC&clps=9&APX=pypc

or go here and choose the suite or AV, Change the currency rate to Indian rupee.
http://www.f-secure.com/protectyourpc/

the suite is around $21.00 for 2 years for 1-3 users. <-QUOTE}
I purchased the suite license for around $21 earlier this month; I got only a 1-year license. Either you're wrong, or the 2 years offer is only for the AV and not the suite.

[trjam]

Firecat, I think I know why and it should not be happening. I notified F-Secure and am not going to post how it happened just for the fact it isnt fair to them.

[s4u]

For the ones who like F-secure. This might be interesting.

http://support.f-secure.com/beta/istp.shtml

[tiagozt]

{QUOTE-> I respect the opinions of those that have chosen to use F-Secure but in my opinion, and keep in mind I am a well known minimalist, this is complete crap. F-Secure uses way to many resources; 480 meg, and a total of 100+ megs of RAM total as compared to Dr Web. That's nuts!. Agreed, it might give great protection. But tell me how it is better than what I use; Dr Web, Rootkit unhooker, LnS, SSM Pro, system hardeners (Seaconfig, Secureit, hardenit). If it is better, does that outweight the costs? I don't think so. <-QUOTE}

The numbers you reported are not real in 2008 version.

[C.S.J]

{QUOTE-> F-Secure uses way to many resources; 480 meg, and a total of 100+ megs of RAM total as compared to Dr Web. That's nuts! <-QUOTE}
i dont think they are real anyway,

this would mean drweb uses 380mb of ram. :wacko:

[zfactor]

i am almost positive the poster meant hdd space was 480 and ram was 100

[lab]

If you have Charter cable, you can download there suite for free.

[n8chavez]

{QUOTE-> i dont think they are real anyway,

this would mean drweb uses 380mb of ram. :wacko: <-QUOTE}

That's exactly what I meant. And, I have tried F-Secure. My shock and the 'heaviness' of it is what prompted me to post. But, it is good to see that Chris has regained he sense. I guess everyone is entitled to be a bit curious every now and then.

[n8chavez]

{QUOTE-> The numbers you reported are not real in 2008 version. <-QUOTE}

They must be, because that was the version i was using. It is the only version I have ever had installed.

[C.S.J]

{QUOTE-> That's exactly what I meant. And, I have tried F-Secure. My shock and the 'heaviness' of it is what prompted me to post. But, it is good to see that Chris has regained he sense. I guess everyone is entitled to be a bit curious every now and then. <-QUOTE}
if that is exactly what you meant, how can you say drweb uses 380mb of ram? :wacko:

its not a matter of regaining sense, i like f-secure very much, ive owned licences with them before drweb, so ;)

i still have my different snapshots, fsecure being one of them :)

but i will always be a drwebber, unless something upsets my system or whatever ::)

[n8chavez]

{QUOTE-> if that is exactly what you meant, how can you say drweb uses 380mb of ram? :wacko: <-QUOTE}

I think you are confusing what I meant; F-Secure, on my system used 480 megs of HD space and was 100+ megs of RAM heavier than it was with Dr web installed.

{QUOTE-> but i will always be a drwebber, unless something upsets my system or whatever ::) <-QUOTE}

Well, that's good to know. I thought you knew something about Dr Web, or the direction they're going, that we didn't and thus you switched. I was a bit suprised to see you switch with v5 right around the corner. I just bought a two year license yesterday, for $31, and was pleasantly suprised when they extended my license by 100 days.

[tiagozt]

{QUOTE-> They must be, because that was the version i was using. It is the only version I have ever had installed. <-QUOTE}

Well... You have a lot of bad programs running with F-Secure OR you have system problems OR instalation problems... because usually it's not the resource usage of F-Secure IS 2008. It's about 70Mb with a lot of other software running. Many processes, it's truth, but no big impact in system usage.

[trjam]

just had it confirmed. The $8.94 license for F-Secures AV from India is for 2 years. The suite is 1 year.:thumb:

[Sjoeii]

Just buy at the main website choose India?

[Macstorm]

{QUOTE-> Just buy at the main website choose India? <-QUOTE}
Just go here (http://www.f-secure.com/protectyourpc/), choose your product, select the indian rupee as currency (drop-down menu at left) and you're done :)

[zfactor]

still not at all bad for one year

[thehudd]

Here's kind of a dumb question, but I can't seem to find the answer. Does F-Secure have an "about" tab, one that gives version info,etc? If it does, I can't locate it. TIA.

[C.S.J]

yep, right click > About


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F-Secure Spam-Control 1.2 build 6950
F-Secure Internet Shield 6.16 build 61
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[thehudd]

Thanks, I was just looking at the GUI. Silly me.

[C.S.J]

{QUOTE-> Thanks, I was just looking at the GUI. Silly me. <-QUOTE}
you said it ;)

but no problem, thats what we are here for :D

[Chuck_IV]

{QUOTE-> If you have Charter cable, you can download there suite for free. <-QUOTE}

Is it the 2008 version? I know Charter has offered a version of FSecure's suite, for a while now, but I haven't looked recently, since the prior version didn't support Vista. I think this version does, so maybe it is the 2008 version.

[L815]

I tried Fsecure the other day. My processes went from 25 to 37 after install.

It didn't seem to slow my pc down too much compared to all the services that were running. But I didn't like the fact that they all had to be running and couldn't be disabled with the trial.

[Chuck_IV]

Well I loaded up the Charter version last night to see, and it "looks" like it's the 2008 version. However, after loading it(Vista), after every reboot, it just caused my harddrive to constantly thrash, for a good 5-7, if not close to 10 minutes. :o After that, it would eventually settle down, but that thrashing, after a reboot, even if it is free, is just too much. I'll stick with Bitdefender, for now.