New Avira Premium Security Suite (AntiVir 8)

[trjam]

After 2 years Avira offers the next generation of it's excellent antivirus product line: AntiVir 8 The product now contains all features which are already finished. It's fully update capable - we'll supply all new engine and virus pattern files through normal updates.
The betatest will last until April 4, 2008.

New features:
Completely new high speed antivirus engine 10-15% better performance during file scanning Lower impact on overall system performance Reduced memory footprint

Licensing
You can use your existing license for the Avira Premium Security Suite or download a special beta license which will enable the product for 3 months.

[JimGoo]

{QUOTE-> . . .
New features:
Completely new high speed antivirus engine 10-15% better performance during file scanning Lower impact on overall system performance Reduced memory footprint . . . .
<-QUOTE}

Already had it on and, alas, off. Reduced my (perceived) system performance versus version 7.

[Motherroad]

Thanks for the info. I would not have known. Avira seems a little slow at informing of such things. I have sent a email to test but they usually don't get back to me. Mabey I will get lucky this time!

[PnP]

Currently tested.. seem that have none problem but I noticed that have some disconecction with irc..

[Big Apple]

Severe slowdown on a Windows 2000 SP4 system. No good, compared to version 7.

[s4u]

It is not working great here either but please keep in mind it is still a beta version

[zfactor]

much slower than version 7 for me. uses more resources. not good. i wanted version 7 with better/ more features. if this will be what 8 is like ill end up elsewhere.. i really like 7

[tec505]

Any screen shot?

Mike

[Leo2005]

{QUOTE-> Any screen shot? <-QUOTE}
well there are no visiual changes to the 7 till now ;)
only a new engine.
othere changes will come later

[Graystoke]

Installed the new Avira SS 8 beta. It's working great here. I can't tell the difference between this and version 7 as far as performance goes. I haven't noticed it being heavier than version 7. The one thing that has changed, and I'm very happy to see this, is now you can set the firewall to High, and it passes the ShieldsUp test at grc.com. You don't have to add an incoming TCP rule like you did in version 7. Good work, Avira. :thumb:

[zfactor]

well i did a full cleanup and registry cleaning and re-installed fresh the new version 8 and its running much better, still a bit heavier than 7 but very minimal and evrything is running nice and smooth now..

[Mele20]

I just tried to register for the beta. As I said in a new thread about this in the Avira forum, I couldn't believe that Avira asked me for my full home street address and full real name! Why are they so nosey? Going to send me some snail mail spam?

Plus, that entire registration assumes you are a corporate user. Again, why? No home users wanted for testing? Why?

Anyhow, I'm ticked off because I had to wait a long time to get the email and when I finally did and clicked on the link to finish the registration I was told that the registration code is INVALID. There were no instructions in the email or on the Avira beta page about whom to contact if there was a problem. I thought Avira was going to overhaul the entire beta testing process...that is what we were promised in a thread at the Avira forum. When do they plan to do this?

Anyhow, anyone here know what I do now that I was sent an invalid registration code?

[Graystoke]

Mele20..........

Sorry to hear you had problems. But unfortunately, that does sound typical of Avira. They have a nice product, but their customer service leaves something to be desired.

[HiTech_boy]

{QUOTE-> Severe slowdown on a Windows 2000 SP4 system. No good, compared to version 7. <-QUOTE}

BETA ... and you won't help AVIRA folks by comparing their beta to another product :-X

[JimGoo]

{QUOTE-> BETA ... and you won't help AVIRA folks by comparing their beta to another product :-X <-QUOTE}

Wasn't the comparison between Avira 8 and Avira 7? I know mine was, and 8 still seems slower than 7. This info can be useful to Avira programmers, don't you think?

[maddawgz]

Hi i have downloaded this and key beta? says demo what do i do wont update thanks ???

Ok working now...... very light on core duo

[Straight Shooter]

Well, I ain't gonna be buying this then. I was going to shell out $80 bucks for a 3 user license but now you guys are saying ver 8 beta slows the system down?

[JimGoo]

{QUOTE-> Well, I ain't gonna be buying this then. I was going to shell out $80 bucks for a 3 user license but now you guys are saying ver 8 beta slows the system down? <-QUOTE}

But remember, Straight Shooter, HiTech_boy reminds us (correctly) that version 8 is still only a beta version, not anywhere near ready to be sold.

You may wish to reserve your final decision until the product is actually released for sale.

[Thug21]

If Avira V7 works like a charm, don't worry about 8 as it's just in beta testing and doesn't indicate what the final will be like.

[zfactor]

i would still like to know why they think so highly price wise of there suite. i converted it again today and now its over 90$ in us dollars.

[Mele20]

{QUOTE-> Well, I ain't gonna be buying this then. I was going to shell out $80 bucks for a 3 user license but now you guys are saying ver 8 beta slows the system down? <-QUOTE}

As others have already said, this is just the beginning of the beta! Beta runs until second week of April. I can sure recall easily what early betas were like with KAV and McAfee corporate, NOD32 and others. KAV didn't correct a bug that affected the display of this forum for a very long time...drove me nuts but I wouldn't base a decision on purchasing a product because the betas had various bugs.

I'll let you know what I think once the registration thingy gets straightened out and I can get it. But even if it slows my computer that won't mean much ...not this early in beta. The only thing so far is a new engine, as I read, and there will likely be a number of changes as the beta progresses. I can sort of see why some companies prefer closed in house betas even though those run a significant risk of not catching important problems because of the testers not being widespread but in house betas curtail these sorts of senseless posts.

[pykko]

so far so good. It is as light as the previous version and additionally, it uses less system resources while scanning. I can't see yet that increase in scanning speed, but I'll wait...

[Leo2005]

{QUOTE-> Well, I ain't gonna be buying this then. I was going to shell out $80 bucks for a 3 user license but now you guys are saying ver 8 beta slows the system down? <-QUOTE}
well this is the first beta. and in this part it should be checked how it's running on different computers. so when everybody having problems that it slows done it would be fine to report that in the betaforum, so that avira can act.
i can't tell that it slows down. i installed it and i think it's running better then the 7.
and the final version will not be released before avril 2008 so there will be big changes about the whole product.
not only faster scanning and lighter, but new gui, new features, better self protection...

[Straight Shooter]

{QUOTE-> i would still like to know why they think so highly price wise of there suite. i converted it again today and now its over 90$ in us dollars. <-QUOTE}
Over $90? That's TOOOOO much for me... I'll be trialing other stuff now. Honestly, I can't justify $90 when Avast Free kept me clean for over a year..

Maybe they should have "American" prices...

Jim

[C.S.J]

i said a few times a while back that i thought Aviras beta program needed to be extended, they are listening.

i think this is good for all concerned, hopefully they can fix out many of the bugs in the current versions, without adding any new ones.

[zfactor]

{QUOTE-> Over $90? That's TOOOOO much for me... I'll be trialing other stuff now. Honestly, I can't justify $90 when Avast Free kept me clean for over a year..

Maybe they should have "American" prices...

Jim <-QUOTE}

150% agreed, right now its sitting at 88.41 it was just over 90$ last time i checked so the exchange may have changed a bit. this is for one year only as well.. i have to pass as well sucks since this so far is my fav to date..

[Big Apple]

{QUOTE-> BETA ... and you won't help AVIRA folks by comparing their beta to another product :-X <-QUOTE}

Getting too busy helping Avira folks, Eset folks ......and what will be next?

[HiTech_boy]

{QUOTE-> Getting too busy helping Avira folks, Eset folks ......and what will be next? <-QUOTE}


helping McAfee folks is my next target , my next aim .

[Big Apple]

{QUOTE-> helping McAfee folks is my next target , my next aim . <-QUOTE}

I like to be helped by these 'biggies' security wise, when buying their products to be safe, without all those glitches for a long time.....

[De Hollander]

{QUOTE-> 150% agreed, right now its sitting at 88.41 it was just over 90$ last time i checked so the exchange may have changed a bit. this is for one year only as well.. i have to pass as well sucks since this so far is my fav to date.. <-QUOTE}


??? ??? $90 ??? ??? for a one year /3 pc suite.


If I take a look at avira.cleverbridge, it's $53.95

[Straight Shooter]

{QUOTE-> ??? ??? $90 ??? ??? for a one year /3 pc suite.


If I take a look at avira.cleverbridge, it's $53.95 <-QUOTE}
A 3 user license is almost $80. That's only for a year. I am getting to the point where I will probably just run avast Home! Until one of the av companies can make a cheap, strong dtection, simple av that won't slow my system down or forever alter my computer with NTFS Object Identifiers. Funny thing is, the only one I can find at this point is ....

Panda..

LOL..

[Leo2005]

interesting how diffrent the prices are ;)
I'm seeing the suite one year licence / 3 PCs for $79.95 (US dollar) in canadian dollar it is over 90 (CAD 92.08)

i don't know if it changes every day depending on the Exchange rate

[De Hollander]

{QUOTE-> A 3 user license is almost $80. That's only for a year. I am getting to the point where I will probably just run avast Home! Until one of the av companies can make a cheap, strong dtection, simple av that won't slow my system down or forever alter my computer with NTFS Object Identifiers. Funny thing is, the only one I can find at this point is ....

Panda..

LOL.. <-QUOTE}

:thumb: My mistake, You are right it's $80....forgot to select 3 pc's.......:ouch: :blink:


(got to stay away from tequila and beer :wacko: ;D )

[Mele20]

Why doesn't Avira have more choices? Where did they get the idea that most folks have either one or three computers at home? I have two. I don't need three! :D One of them has no AV because it is is so hard to get anything for 98SE now. If I buy another computer next year with XP then I guess I would have to put a free AV on one computer because I wouldn't buy a license for three when I only have two computers. Or I would have to move to F-Prot as they have, by far, the best deal for multiple home computers.

[zfactor]

88.41 here after converting to us dollars

[trjam]

not worth it. Sorry folks but AV products are going to evolve big time in the next 2 years or go under.

[Kerodo]

$80-90 doesn't seem to be too far out of line for a suite... if that's what we're talking about. Look at all the others...

[19monty64]

{QUOTE-> interesting how diffrent the prices are ;)
I'm seeing the suite one year licence / 3 PCs for $79.95 (US dollar) in canadian dollar it is over 90 (CAD 92.08)

i don't know if it changes every day depending on the Exchange rate <-QUOTE}
Curious since the "loonie" is valued higher than the "sawback" these days...

[maddawgz]

I took the beta 08 of and put on 2007 for 3months free nice, but i didnt install firewall part now the umbrella is down ? Im not keen on firewalls, whats the firewall like any issues? im behind a firewall Nat router anyhow Tx MD


edit its ok uninstalled fw part seems fine, very light nice better then avg suite even !

[Graystoke]

$90 USD is high, but KIS 7 is $80 for a 3 user license at the KL site. Than again you can find pretty good deals on KIS/KAV elsewhere. Right now Bitdefender is offering their Security Suite 2008 or $40 for a 3 user license. Pretty good deal.

[Straight Shooter]

{QUOTE-> $90 USD is high, but KIS 7 is $80 for a 3 user license at the KL site. Than again you can find pretty good deals on KIS/KAV elsewhere. Right now Bitdefender is offering their Security Suite 2008 or $40 for a 3 user license. Pretty good deal. <-QUOTE}I understand some folks think $80 is in line with others, probably it is.. However, I'm not really "impressed" with the others. The only one I barely liked was Panda.. but it won't work at all on my wife's computer, so as a consumer looking for a 3 user license Panda is out. Trend Micro totally slowed my desktop to a crawl, and that was hard to believe. I may try Bitdefender but I heard it really is known to slow systems down. Perhaps I'll give FProt a try...

The only one that seems to work for me is the free one, Avast, LOL...

[Graystoke]

{QUOTE-> I understand some folks think $80 is in line with others, probably it is.. However, I'm not really "impressed" with the others. The only one I barely liked was Panda.. but it won't work at all on my wife's computer, so as a consumer looking for a 3 user license Panda is out. Trend Micro totally slowed my desktop to a crawl, and that was hard to believe. I may try Bitdefender but I heard it really is known to slow systems down. Perhaps I'll give FProt a try...

The only one that seems to work for me is the free one, Avast, LOL... <-QUOTE}


I'm back to trialing Bitdefender IS 2008 after checking out the Avira beta. I haven't noticed any slowdowns with Bitdefender in day to day use. The only time I noticed any slowdown was after running a deep system scan. Pages loaded slower than normal. After a few minutes things were back to normal. I haven't run another scan yet, but might do that tonight.

[zfactor]

i liked bitdefender 7 or 8 maybe i dont remember the exact number, but it was a bit of a hog. i have not used 10 0r 2008 yet so i cant comment on those i can say that the version i used the firewall was pretty bad and the av was kinda of just okay. i didnt find it had great detection but all the tests and the people are saying it has come a long way since then.. maybe worth a look to see. i picked up a total of 10 lic for kis for a grand total of 25$ .. yup... cant say where since i was asked not to.. but there is a seller in the uk that does list on ebay at times. and they are legit i have used 2 of them on my mom's and sisters computers and they do def activate and work great... but im just not sure i can bring myself to use it just because of the tags issues ..

[Macstorm]

{QUOTE-> I'm back to trialing Bitdefender IS 2008 after checking out the Avira beta. I haven't noticed any slowdowns with Bitdefender in day to day use. <-QUOTE}
Same here. I'm trialing BD AV 2008 (i was attracted by the latest av-test.org review) and i must say i'm very impressed with it. Nice, smooth and 'safe' (tested ;D ). Kudos to the folks at Softwin :thumb:

[dNor]

{QUOTE-> I'm back to trialing Bitdefender IS 2008 after checking out the Avira beta. I haven't noticed any slowdowns with Bitdefender in day to day use. The only time I noticed any slowdown was after running a deep system scan. Pages loaded slower than normal. After a few minutes things were back to normal. I haven't run another scan yet, but might do that tonight. <-QUOTE}

Can definiately attest to BitDefender. Using Total Security 2008 and it's been light on resources and shown great performance.

It was a great price, too. Just over $60 US for 3 PCs for 2 years. That's for the "Total Security" that also has backup and other features too, and still half the price of Avria suite's 3 PC/2 year! The primary reason I strayed away from Avira is due to the price of the suite, as others have mentioned. This made me look for an alternative and I've been very pleased with BitDefender.

If Avira's prices were lowered I'd definately have more considerations to their suite.

v8 so far doesn't seem to be doing much better in my eyes than v7. =/

[zfactor]

going to try bitdefender again i think..

[C.S.J]

I forgot that I'm also a bitdefender licence holder :)

[Macstorm]

The only thing i don't like about BD is sometimes certain signature updates needs a system reboot :-\

[zfactor]

{QUOTE-> The only thing i don't like about BD is sometimes certain signature updates needs a system reboot :-\ <-QUOTE}

agreed i have seen that before with them.not sure on 2008 version though

[Macstorm]

{QUOTE-> agreed i have seen that before with them.not sure on 2008 version though <-QUOTE}
the same on v2008 which i'm trialing. I had to reboot yesterday, now today again :-\

[Sjoeii]

{QUOTE-> I forgot that I'm also a bitdefender licence holder :) <-QUOTE}
Chris
Are there any security products you don't have licenses for?

[C.S.J]

I've sold alot of them,

I own 3 now, my 3yr drweb, my lifetime f-secure and my 2 year bitdefender

It would be drweb only, however the prices for the other 2, I could not refuse :)

[Graystoke]

{QUOTE-> the same on v2008 which i'm trialing. I had to reboot yesterday, now today again :-\ <-QUOTE}


Same here. Once yesterday, and again today. Kind of a pain in the butt. :dry:

[Sjoeii]

{QUOTE-> I've sold alot of them,

I own 3 now, my 3yr drweb, my lifetime f-secure and my 2 year bitdefender

It would be drweb only, however the prices for the other 2, I could not refuse :) <-QUOTE}
Must be expensive a lifetime license for F-Secure

[Espresso]

Odd. Avira v8 for server has been released while the regular version is still in beta.

http://www.avira.com/en/downloads/avira_antivir_server.html

[s4u]

There will be much more changes for the regular v8

[Sjoeii]

Anyone else here doing the beta test of version 8?

[Leo2005]

{QUOTE-> Anyone else here doing the beta test of version 8? <-QUOTE}yes, but there is nothing new to report. Just a completly new engine, which is tested and improved now and some minor bugs which have been fixed.
New gui and features will follow when the engine is finished ;)

[zfactor]

wow the last engine was great why did they change it?

[Leo2005]

{QUOTE-> wow the last engine was great why did they change it? <-QUOTE}
the new one will be better ;)
they reworked it completly. it is not divided in 12 parts. this will decrease update size, make it easier to update different parts and surely have some other advantages.
the new one will be up to 10 % faster then the old one, and should have better detections rates then v7. we will see this when it's released

edit: mixed up increase and decrease ;)

[s4u]

engine was rewritten totally. Right now mostly the new engine is tested.

[QBgreen]

While I don't plan on beta testing v. 8, it all sounds quite good. I try numerous security programs, but always come back to Avira PE Premium for its quality and speed. I can't wait to see the finished product(s).

[trjam]

{QUOTE->
edit: mixed up increase and decrease ;) <-QUOTE}
yeah Leo, I about fell over when I saw that. LOL;)

There are some real goodies that may eventually over time make it into this suite. Bottom line, it is only going to keep getting stronger.

[Mele20]

So far the beta is boring as heck. I prefer KAV and McAfee betas....they can wreck your computers in the early stages and wreck havoc on some websites but are never boring. :D Avira beta is more like a Release Candidate or a Public Beta from Symantec. Maybe when we get the GUI changes it will get more lively. ;) The forum (while it has nice people in it and a good mod, responses from Avira engineers) is also boring compared to KAV beta forum and McAfee enterprise with the listserv, etc.

[Arup]

So a stable security product is boring. I will take boring and safe over something that will wreak havoc or worse, compromise security :)

[Leo2005]

{QUOTE-> So far the beta is boring as heck. I prefer KAV and McAfee betas....they can wreck your computers in the early stages and wreck havoc on some websites but are never boring. :D Avira beta is more like a Release Candidate or a Public Beta from Symantec. Maybe when we get the GUI changes it will get more lively. ;) The forum (while it has nice people in it and a good mod, responses from Avira engineers) is also boring compared to KAV beta forum and McAfee enterprise with the listserv, etc. <-QUOTE}well till now. anew engine is not much too see, but it's the basic of the scanner. ;)
and there are much things to come in this beta. the new gui, a backup tool, a webfilter and some minor changes. so i think we'll have enough to test next year.

[C.S.J]

dont worry, Avira certainly is not boring.

[fredra]

{QUOTE-> So far the beta is boring as heck. I prefer KAV and McAfee betas....they can wreck your computers in the early stages and wreck havoc on some websites but are never boring. :D Avira beta is more like a Release Candidate or a Public Beta from Symantec. Maybe when we get the GUI changes it will get more lively. ;) The forum (while it has nice people in it and a good mod, responses from Avira engineers) is also boring compared to KAV beta forum and McAfee enterprise with the listserv, etc. <-QUOTE}

You asked for Avira to open the beta testing process, you got it, now you call it boring?
If you find it that boring, with your elevated knowledge, why continue to beta test it. :(

[zfactor]

i really liked the beta it just was a bit finicky at this time.

[pykko]

{QUOTE-> well till now. anew engine is not much too see, but it's the basic of the scanner. ;)
and there are much things to come in this beta. the new gui, a backup tool, a webfilter and some minor changes. so i think we'll have enough to test next year. <-QUOTE}
are there chances for a HIPS integrated also ?

[s4u]

{QUOTE-> are there chances for a HIPS integrated also ? <-QUOTE}
Maybe yes, maybe not......................;)

[Mele20]

{QUOTE-> You asked for Avira to open the beta testing process, you got it, now you call it boring?
If you find it that boring, with your elevated knowledge, why continue to beta test it. :( <-QUOTE}

I don't believe anything about Avira's beta testing has changed. It is the same signup process as before any of the comments in the forum and I don't think the length of the beta has changed either. It seems to be a sort of "hybrid" beta testing - halfway between Kaspersky on one end and Symantec's public beta for Norton on the other. KAV's beta is very long and in the early stages is practically still Alpha testing, whereas, Symantec's Norton beta is short and just prior to Gold release. Avira's falls inbetween.

As for my having "elevated knowledge"??? I assume you were being sarcastic? ;)

As I said, I know there is a lot to come that will probably make the testing very interesting.

[s4u]

How would the beta testing be interesting for you?

[Leo2005]

{QUOTE-> KAV's beta is very long and in the early stages is practically still Alpha testing, whereas, Symantec's Norton beta is short and just prior to Gold release. Avira's falls inbetween. <-QUOTE}
well this is because avira wants to offer a stable betaversion for it's testers.

[s4u]

the beautifull part is that the beta versionsb are even more stable than most regular version sof other vendors

[RejZoR]

Thread is worthless without pics :P

[Leo2005]

{QUOTE-> Thread is worthless without pics :P <-QUOTE}
have a look at the v7 it looks the same ;)
the new gui wil come later, but there is a little preview in the betaforum, which is not allowed to be posted outside.
but perhaps the next week the new gui comes. we never know ;)

[Mele20]

So is there a new version on Monday? Gee, it is Monday already! I have to get some sleep. LOL

I had to revert to a snapshot from November on my virtual machine that has the beta so it is not on there now and I see no point in downloading last week's beta.

See, I didn't expect a "stable" beta so I put it on a virtual machine. :D

[trjam]

Well that adventure was short lived. Time to keep my mouth shut, and my computer security with those I started with.

[TonyW]

I find the thread title misleading as when I saw it, I immediately thought a new version of this product is available when, in fact, it's only in beta.

[s4u]

{QUOTE-> Well that adventure was short lived. Time to keep my mouth shut, and my computer security with those I started with. <-QUOTE}
What adventure Trjam?

[trjam]

the virtual world. It is my head that needs to be virtualized. Sticking withe the tried and true. Version 8 is working very well for me. No to the poster who thought it has been released publically. It will be awhile. I can assure you it will be stable, very stable, before Avira would ever let it loose.

[computer geek]

why does firewall says it cannot start? Why it cant update with valid license beta?

[trjam]

you might want to post in the Avira support forum so Barrie can work with you.:)