Rollback Rx...

[fce]

Hi guys,
After familiarizing with FDISR I just want to ask if FDISR works same as Rollback Rx in terms of creating, archiving and booting to snapshot.

If i have 2 snapshot....one is Rollback Snapshot (User) and the other one is Installation Snapshot (Baseline).

My question is if I'll create another snapshot, let say Games Snapshot, can i boot on Games Snapshot to play games then boot again to Installation Snapshot where all my application is installed?

Also what is "baseline" and what is "User" means in Rollback Rx.

Sorry guys new to this software. :)

[Peter2150]

{QUOTE-> Hi guys,
After familiarizing with FDISR I just want to ask if FDISR works same as Rollback Rx in terms of creating, archiving and booting to snapshot.

If i have 2 snapshot....one is Rollback Snapshot (User) and the other one is Installation Snapshot (Baseline).

My question is if I'll create another snapshot, let say Games Snapshot, can i boot on Games Snapshot to play games then boot again to Installation Snapshot where all my application is installed?

Also what is "baseline" and what is "User" means in Rollback Rx.

Sorry guys new to this software. :) <-QUOTE}

These two programs are as different as day and night. I would get FDISR down first.

As in FDISR, in Rollback you game will reside where you installed it. Also in Rollback, each snapshot isn't completely independent. It's an incremental so to speak.

Other big internal differences.

Pete

[ErikAlbert]

fce,
A normal backup/restore doesn't work with RollbackRx, it will only backup/restore ONE snapshot (baseline or current), the rest of the snapshots is gone.
The only way to backup/restore ALL snapshots is doing a RAW backup of your 250gb-harddisk. I have no idea how much time it will take, but you better test this first with your image backup software, before you decide to buy RBRx.

FDISR-snapshots remain on your harddisk even after restoration and that allows you to create snapshots for specific jobs. I'm not sure if you can use RBRx this way. Test it out man !!! :)

[sukarof]

{QUOTE-> Hi guys,


My question is if I'll create another snapshot, let say Games Snapshot, can i boot on Games Snapshot to play games then boot again to Installation Snapshot where all my application is installed?

<-QUOTE}

Yes. When I had Rollback last year, I did that. From the baseline I made two snapshots. One for gaming. I booted to the to be gaming snapshot and uninstalled all the software that wasnt needed for gaming. And when I was done gaming I booted to the second (or twenty third) snapshot and did all my other stuff there. I did not use the baseline at all, just updated it now and then.
Rollback has the advantage that it is so easy and incredible fast to make new snapshots so it is a breeze to test new things.
Nowadays I rely on FDISR (I find it more reliable than RB) and dont experiment with new software and drivers as much because compared to Rollback the snapshots takes forever to make :)

[silver0066]

{QUOTE-> These two programs are as different as day and night. I would get FDISR down first.

As in FDISR, in Rollback you game will reside where you installed it. Also in Rollback, each snapshot isn't completely independent. It's an incremental so to speak.

Other big internal differences.

Pete <-QUOTE}Pete,

Yes, but Rollback v7 and FDISR work great together. They are very synergistic.

Silver

[fce]

Hi guys,

I have a question regarding Snapshot.

I created Work Snapshot (43MB) without MS Office, etc.

I created a schedule that every startup Rollback Rx will create snapshot. After I installed MS Office and update some patches I restarted my PC and Rollback Rx created a snapshot (I renamed it Work-1 Snapshot).

When I boot my PC it's still in Work Snapshot (not Work-1 Snapshot) which is ok, but the capacity of Work Snapshot is 43MB compare to Work-1 Snapshot with 6189MB which I think is alright because I installed lot of software.

I'm log now at Work Snapshot with 43MB which means there should be no MS Office installed BUT i can run my MS Office at Work Snapshot.

If i can run new installed MS Office at Work Snapshot why Rollback Rx showing 43MB only? It's should be the same as Work-1 Snapshot which is 6189MB. Why is that?

[nexstar]

{QUOTE-> Hi guys,

I have a question regarding Snapshot.

I created Work Snapshot (43MB) without MS Office, etc.

I created a schedule that every startup Rollback Rx will create snapshot. After I installed MS Office and update some patches I restarted my PC and Rollback Rx created a snapshot (I renamed it Work-1 Snapshot).
<-QUOTE}
OK, so what you have is a Work snapshot which, if you restore to that, will NOT have MS Office included in it. It will magically disappear! It is only there at the moment because that is your current snapshot and you have installed MS Office on top of that. You could install another 6GB of software in your current environment but that will only get set in stone when you take a snapshot and the Work one will still show 43MB as none of the new software is included in it.

{QUOTE->
When I boot my PC it's still in Work Snapshot (not Work-1 Snapshot) which is ok, but the capacity of Work Snapshot is 43MB compare to Work-1 Snapshot with 6189MB which I think is alright because I installed lot of software.

I'm log now at Work Snapshot with 43MB which means there should be no MS Office installed BUT i can run my MS Office at Work Snapshot.

If i can run new installed MS Office at Work Snapshot why Rollback Rx showing 43MB only? It's should be the same as Work-1 Snapshot which is 6189MB. Why is that? <-QUOTE}

It is only showing 43MB because that it is all the data that is associated with that snapshot. Restore to Work-1 and then back to Work and you'll see what I mean. BUT, if you have done any work that needs protecting then take a snapshot first because it will be gone otherwise!

The other thing I'd say is to treat the size of the snapshots as only a guide. The sizes do not get updated when snapshots get deleted so get less accurate as time goes on.

I see from the times of your snapshots that you are another sleep deprivation sufferer :) .

Graham

[fce]

nexstar,

I boot using Work-1 Snapshot with 6.1GB and expect that MS Office should be there. But there's no MS Office installed? :o


See below pics.

[fce]

nexstar,
now i boot using Work Snapshot....MS Office i installed and saved in Work-1 Snapshot is gone which i think it should be.

But where's my MS Office installed? ???

[nexstar]

{QUOTE-> nexstar,
now i boot using Work Snapshot....MS Office i installed and saved in Work-1 Snapshot is gone which i think it should be.

But where's my MS Office installed? ??? <-QUOTE}
Stop rebooting! I can't keep up:)

As far as I can tell, the only snapshot that will have your MS Office installed will be the one called 'Scheduled Snapshot' with the size 1769MB.

Could you have deleted one or more scheduled snapshots? The reason I ask is that you created 'Work' and then went on to create 'Games' a bit later on. To get back to 'Work' you would have had to have restored to it and Rollback, by default, will take a snapshot when you restore. Also, the 'Work-1' snapshot was a scheduled one originally, as you've installed 6GB of software is it possible that something else required a reboot and 'Work-1' was created prior to MS-Office being installed?

The bottom line is this....I think you need to restore to 'Work-1' and install MS-Office again. Then manually take a locked snapshot called 'After MS-Office' (or something). I would then clean up by deleting all other snapshots that you haven't locked. If you'd created any documents in MS-Office then you can still get at these by browsing the 1769MB snapshot, so do that before you delete it!

I hope this makes sense:) .

Graham

[fce]

{QUOTE-> Stop rebooting! I can't keep up:)

As far as I can tell, the only snapshot that will have your MS Office installed will be the one called 'Scheduled Snapshot' with the size 1769MB.

Could you have deleted one or more scheduled snapshots? The reason I ask is that you created 'Work' and then went on to create 'Games' a bit later on. To get back to 'Work' you would have had to have restored to it and Rollback, by default, will take a snapshot when you restore. Also, the 'Work-1' snapshot was a scheduled one originally, as you've installed 6GB of software is it possible that something else required a reboot and 'Work-1' was created prior to MS-Office being installed?

The bottom line is this....I think you need to restore to 'Work-1' and install MS-Office again. Then manually take a locked snapshot called 'After MS-Office' (or something). I would then clean up by deleting all other snapshots that you haven't locked. If you'd created any documents in MS-Office then you can still get at these by browsing the 1769MB snapshot, so do that before you delete it!

I hope this makes sense:) .

Graham <-QUOTE}

i'm getting confused how snapshot scheduling works so i disable it for now.
you're correct i deleted schedule snapshot and that might be the problem.

[nexstar]

Yes, it can be a bit confusing as you not only get the scheduled snapshots on rebooting but you also get them when you change snapshots. This is obviously a protection measure in that you may have made changes which you meant to save but didn't and so RB takes a snapshot just in case.

I do now only tend to make snapshots manually and you do tend to feel a bit more in control that way. Still, at least you've find out how easy it is to remove software. Had you been trialling MS-Office then you would have removed it completely without any problem :) .

Graham

[fce]

{QUOTE-> Yes, it can be a bit confusing as you not only get the scheduled snapshots on rebooting but you also get them when you change snapshots. This is obviously a protection measure in that you may have made changes which you meant to save but didn't and so RB takes a snapshot just in case.

I do now only tend to make snapshots manually and you do tend to feel a bit more in control that way. Still, at least you've find out how easy it is to remove software. Had you been trialling MS-Office then you would have removed it completely without any problem :) .

Graham <-QUOTE}

How can i change the schedule to manually?
When i installed RB i select to do the backup every restart but now i want it do manually because it confuse me. Maybe after couple days i change it to daily or during start up but as of now i think its better to do it manually.

Rollback is quite fast, when i use windows system restore it take me more than hour....i really surprise that RB take it less than a minute. Maybe i'm doing something wrong with my set-up? ???

[fce]

another question....if my hard disk fail to boot, how can i upload my saved snapshot at external hard disk?

i guess i need to use bootable disc and then install Rollback RX software before restoring my saved snapshot?

[nexstar]

{QUOTE-> How can i change the schedule to manually?
When i installed RB i select to do the backup every restart but now i want it do manually because it confuse me. Maybe after couple days i change it to daily or during start up but as of now i think its better to do it manually.
<-QUOTE}
In RB's main window, select 'Scheduled tasks' and then you should see, in the right-hand window, your scheduled task. Highlight it and select 'Remove'.

The only other time then that RB will try to take a snapshot is when you change to another snapshot. If you restore via right-clicking in the systray then it will automatically do this anyway. If you restore via the main window then you can uncheck the box which says 'Take a snapshot of the current PC before rollback in case I want to come back'. Just be certain it's what you want though :) .
{QUOTE->
Rollback is quite fast, when i use windows system restore it take me more than hour....i really surprise that RB take it less than a minute. Maybe i'm doing something wrong with my set-up? ??? <-QUOTE}
Fast is good :) . Also, you will find that taking a snapshot is quicker for some reason via the right-click on the systray icon rather than the main window. Don't know why, it just is....on my setup anyway.
{QUOTE-> another question....if my hard disk fail to boot, how can i upload my saved snapshot at external hard disk? <-QUOTE}
If it fails to boot because your system was messed up then, as long as your Rollback pre-boot menu is available, you just restore to a working snapshot as normal.
{QUOTE->
i guess i need to use bootable disc and then install Rollback RX software before restoring my saved snapshot? <-QUOTE}
However, if you are asking 'how do I create an image of my Rollback partition so that I can restore it in case of hard disk failure?' then that is a whole new topic in itself which has been done to death around here. A search on 'Rollback imaging' should keep you up even later with plenty of reading material :) .

Graham

[Chris12923]

{QUOTE-> another question....if my hard disk fail to boot, how can i upload my saved snapshot at external hard disk?

i guess i need to use bootable disc and then install Rollback RX software before restoring my saved snapshot? <-QUOTE}
Open Rollback
Under advanced tasks click backup snapshots
Next choose backup snapshots in the main Rollback window
Follow directions from there.

You can repeat this to store multiple snapshots in case your drive messes up. To restore these you need BartPe and install the Rollback plugin or you can wait maybe a week or 2 and the update to Rollback will include a disk to restore your backups http://supportcenteronline.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4443 .

Thanks,

Chris

[fce]

thanks nexstar. I'll try to remove my schedule task next time i'll create updated snapshot.

thanks chris i already got it.....btw, can i create BartPe to my external hard disk?

[Chris12923]

{QUOTE-> thanks chris i already got it.....btw, can i create BartPe to my external hard disk? <-QUOTE}
If there is I am not aware of any. In a couple weeks if that you will not need the BartPe for restoring Rollback snapshots that are saved somewhere else. Rollback will have its own restore disc (which I'm glad they are doing).

Thanks,

Chris

[fce]

I created three snapshot, i'm little bit confused why snapshot-2 capacity is more big compare to snapshot-3?

Snapshot-1: Clean install..... (133MB)

Snapshot-2: Clean install + Driver..... (12.4GB)

Snapshot-3: Clean install + Driver + Security (KIS7) .....(3.6GB)


snapshot-3 should be 12.4GB+++ right?

[nexstar]

{QUOTE-> Snapshot-2: Clean install + Driver..... (12.4GB) <-QUOTE}
That's some driver you've installed there :) . I'm assuming that there are also a few applications installed as well(?).

{QUOTE-> snapshot-3 should be 12.4GB+++ right? <-QUOTE}
Wrong, I'm afraid. The snapshot sizes are incremental and are based upon the changes made since the previous snapshot.

However, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, they should be treated as a guide only. Supposing you haven't changed anything since snapshot-3 and you then delete snapshot-2. The 12.4GB of data that was associated with snapshot-2 is still on the drive and will stay there as it is also linked to snapshot-3. The size displayed for snapshot-3 will not change but is now not accurate. I have mentioned to the developers that it might be nice to update this information when snapshots are deleted. I don't think it would be a major exercise to do it but I think they are probably busy with other things :) .

Graham

[fce]

thanks nexstar for the info.

as of now i'm very satisfied with this Rollback Rx V8....i don't know if i will update this when the new version release. It's working good for now.

i keep returning to my clean install snapshot and go back to my new snapshot...all is working without any problem.

btw, did you hear re: rollback issue with chkdsk? i forgot where i read that re: rollback issue with chkdsk. If that is true, i have two monster (rollback and kaspersky) installed in my PC ;D

[Chris12923]

{QUOTE-> btw, did you hear re: rollback issue with chkdsk? i forgot where i read that re: rollback issue with chkdsk. If that is true, i have two monster (rollback and kaspersky) installed in my PC ;D <-QUOTE}
This issue has been discussed many times here. I myself have not had this problem. Very few users have experienced it. As with any software there is always a flaw somewhere. Just look at the Acronis threads, another one is registry cleaners with First Defense and I could point out many others. Just remember that no software is perfect and just as in security software layers are the best approach.

Thanks,

Chris

[nexstar]

{QUOTE-> as of now i'm very satisfied with this Rollback Rx V8....i don't know if i will update this when the new version release. It's working good for now.
<-QUOTE}
The restore disc would be well worth having but shouldn't need you to upgrade the the software at the same time.
{QUOTE->
i keep returning to my clean install snapshot and go back to my new snapshot...all is working without any problem. <-QUOTE}
I'm gradually moving all of my systems now to getting RB to automatically restore on reboot to the latest snapshot. All the regularly changing data is moved to the D drive. I can then trash the system with rogue software, reboot and it is all fine again :) . By reverting to the last snapshot, it means I can still update the system if I know it is ok and keep it current. It needs a little bit of preparation but I find it works really well once set up.
{QUOTE->
btw, did you hear re: rollback issue with chkdsk? i forgot where i read that re: rollback issue with chkdsk. If that is true, i have two monster (rollback and kaspersky) installed in my PC ;D <-QUOTE}
I may just be lucky but, like Chris, I've never experienced the chkdsk issue. One thing I never do is to defrag the RB protected drive with RB installed. Because of the way RB works, I just sense that there is the potential for conflict with a third party defragger which I'd sooner not risk.

I do use RB's own defragger on the snapshots though, especially after deleting snapshots as that tends to free up some space. Because of my semi-frozen system setup, defragging the system drive is much less important anyway.

Graham

[fce]

{QUOTE->
I'm gradually moving all of my systems now to getting RB to automatically restore on reboot to the latest snapshot. All the regularly changing data is moved to the D drive. I can then trash the system with rogue software, reboot and it is all fine again :) . By reverting to the last snapshot, it means I can still update the system if I know it is ok and keep it current. It needs a little bit of preparation but I find it works really well once set up. <-QUOTE}

sounds good but i prepare to do it manually and save it to my external HD since it eats a lot of space.

i'll leave only 3snapshot (clean install, Primary (working) snapshot and Primary backup)....the rest i'll save it to my external hd.

{QUOTE->
I may just be lucky but, like Chris, I've never experienced the chkdsk issue. One thing I never do is to defrag the RB protected drive with RB installed. Because of the way RB works, I just sense that there is the potential for conflict with a third party defragger which I'd sooner not risk. <-QUOTE}

actually i never experience it yet and i never use yet chkdsk so i really don't experience that problem.

btw (Chris and netstar), how often you use your defrag-snapshot?....do you think it might create a problem if i will use windows defrag for my whole HDD?

{QUOTE->
I do use RB's own defragger on the snapshots though, especially after deleting snapshots as that tends to free up some space. Because of my semi-frozen system setup, defragging the system drive is much less important anyway.

Graham <-QUOTE}

sorry for this question, what do you mean by semi-frozen system? is that included in RB feautures?



Btw, i'm playing Window Media Center and trying to change play with the DVD...suddenly got BSOD. Reboot my system and use my previous snapshot problem is gone! This Rollback Rx is advisable to install specially when your OS is Vista.

Still Vista is buggy OS, so better to install reliable/good system restore software.

[Chris12923]

{QUOTE-> btw (Chris and netstar), how often you use your defrag-snapshot?....do you think it might create a problem if i will use windows defrag for my whole HDD? <-QUOTE}
I do not manually defrag. I create and delete many snapshots so after 4 deletions or 4 creations it automatically defrags (which is the default if i am not mistaken). I and Rollback support do not recommend any type of defrag besides Rollbacks built in defragger. Not only does it really not do much but it may actually cause problems. Although soon you should be able to disable rollback run a defragger and then restart Rollback if all goes well with development.

{QUOTE-> sorry for this question, what do you mean by semi-frozen system? is that included in RB feautures? <-QUOTE}
He means he sets Rollback to restore the last snapshot he was using at reboot. Lets say you are working in your primary snapshot and you surf the wb and catch a virus or whatever as soon as you reboot it takes you to your primary snapshot again except the virus is gone because that snapshot was taken before the virus. Just make sure you have your work that you did after you vreated your primary saved somewhere else or you will lose it. Or you could use the keep these files unchanged option in Rollback settings.

{QUOTE-> Btw, i'm playing Window Media Center and trying to change play with the DVD...suddenly got BSOD. Reboot my system and use my previous snapshot problem is gone! This Rollback Rx is advisable to install specially when your OS is Vista. <-QUOTE}
I agree. But just remember to always back up your important snapshots just in case something goes wrong.

Thanks,

Chris

[fce]

{QUOTE-> I do not manually defrag. I create and delete many snapshots so after 4 deletions or 4 creations it automatically defrags (which is the default if i am not mistaken). I and Rollback support do not recommend any type of defrag besides Rollbacks built in defragger. Not only does it really not do much but it may actually cause problems. Although soon you should be able to disable rollback run a defragger and then restart Rollback if all goes well with development. <-QUOTE}

how to disabling Rollback Rx. i can't find any button to disable rollback rx and i think it's not advisable to disable it and run windows defrag....in case there's a problem you can't boot to rollback rx anymore right if you disable it?

{QUOTE->
He means he sets Rollback to restore the last snapshot he was using at reboot. Lets say you are working in your primary snapshot and you surf the wb and catch a virus or whatever as soon as you reboot it takes you to your primary snapshot again except the virus is gone because that snapshot was taken before the virus. Just make sure you have your work that you did after you vreated your primary saved somewhere else or you will lose it. Or you could use the keep these files unchanged option in Rollback settings. <-QUOTE}

re: virus problem.
incase i'm infected and boot to my pre-virus snapshot....does it means that my pre-virus snapshot is not infected or any of its file?



thanks for your input chris!

[nexstar]

{QUOTE-> how to disabling Rollback Rx. i can't find any button to disable rollback rx and i think it's not advisable to disable it and run windows defrag....in case there's a problem you can't boot to rollback rx anymore right if you disable it? <-QUOTE}
This isn't available yet but is something they are working on I believe.
{QUOTE->
re: virus problem.
incase i'm infected and boot to my pre-virus snapshot....does it means that my pre-virus snapshot is not infected or any of its file?

thanks for your input chris! <-QUOTE}
Exactly. Snapshots are the state of your system at that moment. So, if you weren't infected when you took the snapshot then you won't be if you restore to it :) .

My setup is just as Chris described. I do an automatic restore to the most recent snapshot on reboot which gets rid of any 'clutter'. The benefit of doing it to the most recent snapshot is that you can try out software, do tweaks etc. and, if you decide you want to keep the changes, then you simply take a snapshot and on rebooting that's the snapshot which you restore to.

This is why I called it a semi-frozen system and what, for me, gives it more flexibility over other shadowxyz solutions. Also, if you reboot your machine and you either meant to take a snapshot first or you just want to carry on trying out the things you've installed, then if you go into RB's pre-boot menu that will stop the restore taking place. So you can just quit the menu and the PC will retain the changes that you are still trying out. This gets over the problem of software which needs to reboot before it is properly installed.

What I may not have explained well is that the system software is on the C drive and the data (which changes....My Documents etc) is on the D drive. The D drive can either be a second partition on the main/only disk or can be a separate disk.

I also just let RB carry out its own defrag. Anything else is a potential minefield :o .

Graham

[fce]

{QUOTE->
My setup is just as Chris described. I do an automatic restore to the most recent snapshot on reboot which gets rid of any 'clutter'. The benefit of doing it to the most recent snapshot is that you can try out software, do tweaks etc. and, if you decide you want to keep the changes, then you simply take a snapshot and on rebooting that's the snapshot which you restore to.

This is why I called it a semi-frozen system and what, for me, gives it more flexibility over other shadowxyz solutions. Also, if you reboot your machine and you either meant to take a snapshot first or you just want to carry on trying out the things you've installed, then if you go into RB's pre-boot menu that will stop the restore taking place. So you can just quit the menu and the PC will retain the changes that you are still trying out. This gets over the problem of software which needs to reboot before it is properly installed.

Graham <-QUOTE}

Graham/Chris, i only use this Rollback Rx for more than a week. Sorry I'm not experienced Rollback Rx user yet you dont mind if you can explain it for me like "Rollback Rx (semi-frozen system) for Dummies" ;D


thanks guys!

[fce]

is there anyway i can exclude "My Documents" whenever I take snapshot?

I'm planning to save now my personal file (video, picture, docs, etc.) in My Documents, but if i take new snapshot it will also save my 6gb++ personal files.

thanks.

[nexstar]

{QUOTE-> is there anyway i can exclude "My Documents" whenever I take snapshot?

I'm planning to save now my personal file (video, picture, docs, etc.) in My Documents, but if i take new snapshot it will also save my 6gb++ personal files.

thanks. <-QUOTE}
Yes, that's where the "Rollback Rx (semi-frozen system) for Dummies" strategy comes in....which seems quicker to do than it is to write down :) .

I'll try to post something soon for you. Do you have a single hard disk with just one partition at the moment? In other words, do you just have the C-drive as a fixed drive?

Graham

[Chris12923]

Rollback main window
Program settings
Advanced settings
Click the "Keep these files or folders unchanged when Rollback system to another snapshot."
Then Click the settings button next to it and select your file or folder and go from there. Might be better if you had another partition to keep these files on or another drive even just for safety.

Thanks,

Chris

[nexstar]

{QUOTE-> Rollback main window
Program settings
Advanced settings
Click the "Keep these files or folders unchanged when Rollback system to another snapshot."
Chris <-QUOTE}

I seem to remember trying that method originally but it seemed quite a slow process. Doesn't it do something like, take a snapshot before the restore and then extract the selected files from that snapshot to copy into the current one? If that's the case then I suspect it would only really be practical for relatively small amounts of data.

But I happy to be wrong about it :) .

Graham

[fce]

{QUOTE-> Rollback main window
Program settings
Advanced settings
Click the "Keep these files or folders unchanged when Rollback system to another snapshot."
Then Click the settings button next to it and select your file or folder and go from there. Might be better if you had another partition to keep these files on or another drive even just for safety.

Thanks,

Chris <-QUOTE}


i'll try it later chris. post some question if i'm lost AGAIN.

when i do clean install i have option of making 2 partition, unfortunately i didn't do it. :ouch:

nexstar i only have 1 - 200gb internal hdd (drive C), but already purchased 250gb external HDD. right now i'm doing back up and planning to delete some of my snapshot in internal HDD (i'll retain only 3 snapshot....clean install, backup (with my latest software installed) snapshot and working snapshot)

[fce]

Hi Cris,

I've excluded some of my personal file but when i restore my previous snapshot it takes too long to synchronize my personal file to restore snapshot. Its alright to wait but its really very slow.

Also if i exclude my personal file and there's a virus in one of my file....if i restore my old snapshot there's a tendency that my old snapshot will be infected also since it will sychronize the infected file too?

Another question, I try to restore my saved snapshot in my external HDD but can't find any option in the rollback start up to choose to restore my snapshot located in external HDD. Does it means that i need to use first my saved snapshot in internal HDD and from there i can restore my snapshot in external HDD?

[Chris12923]

{QUOTE-> I've excluded some of my personal file but when i restore my previous snapshot it takes too long to synchronize my personal file to restore snapshot. Its alright to wait but its really very slow. <-QUOTE}
True it is slow.

{QUOTE-> Also if i exclude my personal file and there's a virus in one of my file....if i restore my old snapshot there's a tendency that my old snapshot will be infected also since it will sychronize the infected file too? <-QUOTE}
True if one of the files that were excuded had been infected and you execute them it could infect more files.

{QUOTE-> Another question, I try to restore my saved snapshot in my external HDD but can't find any option in the rollback start up <-QUOTE}
You mean Rollback pre windows or Rollback after Windows has loaded?

Thanks,

Chris

[fce]

{QUOTE->
You mean Rollback pre windows or Rollback after Windows has loaded?
<-QUOTE}

Rollback pre window.

[Chris12923]

{QUOTE-> Rollback pre window. <-QUOTE}
You have to use the bart pe disk with rollback plugin to restore images that are backed up. I have only tried it a couple times but I think you can just restore a single snapshot at a time and it will overwrite your ones that you see in windows currently. It is more for bare metal recovery almost like a drive backup program will do.
Click on backup snapshots in rollback main window and then click how to restore from a snapshot backup and it will tell you more info.

Thanks,

Chris

[fce]

i guess i can't create BartPE since i'm using vista

Requirements to build:
The files from your Windows Installation CD-Rom.
Supported Windows versions are:

Windows XP Home Edition (must be slip streamed with Service Pack 1 or higher)
Windows XP Professional (must be slip streamed with Service Pack 1 or higher)
Windows Server 2003, Web Edition
Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition
Windows Server 2003, Enterprise Edition
PE Builder runs on Windows 2000/XP/2003/BartPE systems.
CD/DVD writer if you want to creat a bootable CD/DVD.

[Chris12923]

{QUOTE-> i guess i can't create BartPE since i'm using vista <-QUOTE}
If you can help it wait just a bit and they will have a linux version of the restore disk instead of Bart PE. Much easier. Hopefully you wont need to restore until then.

Thanks,

Chris

[nexstar]

{QUOTE-> nexstar i only have 1 - 200gb internal hdd (drive C), but already purchased 250gb external HDD. right now i'm doing back up and planning to delete some of my snapshot in internal HDD (i'll retain only 3 snapshot....clean install, backup (with my latest software installed) snapshot and working snapshot) <-QUOTE}
I would strongly suggest that you partition your main drive so that you can separate your system software (OS, drivers etc) from your personal data. Whatever backup/recovery/restore strategy you use, then it will be much quicker to restore your system drive (the bit that's most likely to go wrong) if the image is that much smaller.

My setups are normally quite happy with a 20GB system partition but anything up to 40GB would give you plenty of headroom. I normally use Acronis Disk Director for partitioning but that costs money and I see that this can be done in Vista without third-party software. The instructions are here (http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/f2e9a502-e63c-413d-8804-87326ef4f4cc1033.mspx).

You'll need to uninstall RollBack before doing any of this and make sure that you have a decent backup or two before doing anything else.

I find that the easiest way to split the data is to use this (http://www.eazsolution.com/en/download_foldermover.php) free utility. It gives good instructions as to what to do on the download page.

Once you've done that then re-install any antivirus software and any other software which needs updating daily, to the new partition. This would also be a good time to defrag the disk.

Do another backup (remembering that you've now got two partitions to backup:) ) and re-install Rollback choosing the custom install so that you only protect the C drive with RB.

If you want to go the semi-frozen route then create a scheduled task to restore on restart and select to rollback to the latest snapshot. Also, under advanced options, I select to delete restart snapshots after 14 days (could be shorter if you like) and turn off any auto-defragmenting.

That's it really! The files that are placed on your desktop are then sitting on the second partition and will survive a reboot, as will My Documents etc. But now, when you reboot, the system will be as it was when the last snapshot was taken. If you make changes and want to keep them then just take a snapshot. If you discover that was a bad move then just delete that snapshot and it will reboot as before.

Make sure that you have some backup strategy for your personal data to copy it regularly to your external drive. It's all about layers.

There are as many different ways to do this as there are people on this forum but this works for me and......you did ask! ;) . Oh, and please feel free to ignore any/all of the above, it's not compulsory and I won't be held responsible if Rollback causes a plague of locusts in your living room :) .

Graham

[fce]

thanks nexstar,
now that i have 2partition, do i need to keep all the file in drive D unchange when i rollback to my other snapshot?

also when you used semi frozen, do you run RBx defrag daily (manually)?

[Chris12923]

{QUOTE-> now that i have 2partition, do i need to keep all the file in drive D unchange when i rollback to my other snapshot? <-QUOTE}
You should have rollback protecting c: drive that way you can store stuff on d without it rolling back. hope you didn't mind me answering.

Thanks,

Chris

[nexstar]

{QUOTE-> thanks nexstar,
now that i have 2partition, do i need to keep all the file in drive D unchange when i rollback to my other snapshot?

also when you used semi frozen, do you run RBx defrag daily (manually)? <-QUOTE}
As Chris says, the D drive is not protected by RB and so will stay current when you rollback.

Semi-frozen is just referring to the C drive being (pretty much) frozen by the restore at restart but the D drive is not frozen at all.

I only use the RB defrag manually, from within Windows and normally only if I have deleted a few snapshots.

Graham

[fce]

thanks guys!

i will not change in RBx or set anything for Drive D?....just leave it like that (for personal file use only).

also, how's the virus if file is infected in Drive D....it will also affected rollback snapshot right? last time chris told me that it will be infected also if my personal file is in drive C, how about now it's on drive D?

[nexstar]

{QUOTE-> thanks guys!

i will not change in RBx or set anything for Drive D?....just leave it like that (for personal file use only). <-QUOTE}
That's right. Just make sure you have some method of backing it up :) .
{QUOTE->
also, how's the virus if file is infected in Drive D....it will also affected rollback snapshot right? last time chris told me that it will be infected also if my personal file is in drive C, how about now it's on drive D? <-QUOTE}
Any virus is much more likely to be infecting your C drive which, if you restore on reboot, will stay clean. You still need to have antivirus software etc because you don't always know when you have picked up a virus and you certainly could save it in a snapshot. But if you have a few snapshots then you've got a fallback position.

Graham

[fce]

{QUOTE-> That's right. Just make sure you have some method of backing it up :) .


Graham <-QUOTE}

what method? i just created multiple folder in drive D and copy there all my personal file.

thanks

[nexstar]

{QUOTE-> what method? i just created multiple folder in drive D and copy there all my personal file.

thanks <-QUOTE}
You know, your all-encompassing backup strategy::) . Seriously, that's where your external hard drive comes in. You need to backup your personal data to the external and any other places that are practical for you (DVD maybe) and if you can keep a copy in a completely different location then even better :) .

Graham

[fce]

thanks guys.

for now i'll use 14days trial of Rollback Rx and wait until version 8.1 release (end of Aug) and see if that's advisable to use.

[DVD+R]

Smashing News! Rollback Rx Pro 8.1 Will be available for Download commencing the first week of September :dry: With Added ability to Disable Rollback and Defrag your drives, without having to uninstall Rollback First 8)

[fce]

hi chris/nexstar!

i'm using semi-frozen system and its pretty good features of Rollback Rx, but i have problem with my outlook.

after receiving my email in current snapshot and since im using semi frozen everytime i restart all my email is gone (which is correct), but i cant retrieve anymore my gmail to outlook.

i thought its the same with KIS7, everytime i restart it just download the latest update.

[nexstar]

{QUOTE-> hi chris/nexstar!

i'm using semi-frozen system and its pretty good features of Rollback Rx, but i have problem with my outlook.

after receiving my email in current snapshot and since im using semi frozen everytime i restart all my email is gone (which is correct), but i cant retrieve anymore my gmail to outlook.

i thought its the same with KIS7, everytime i restart it just download the latest update. <-QUOTE}

Did you use the Folder Mover utility I mentioned to move your data to the D drive as that should have moved your Outlook files? Any antivirus or any other software that needs regularly updating should be re-installed to the D drive so that any updated files will stay current.

It sounds like you're nearly there, just a bit of tweaking needed :) .

Graham

[Chris12923]

Probably you will have to have outllok .pst or whatever saved on your other partition. Still remember to back it up as well.

Thanks,

Chris

Sorry Nexstar I didn't see this post for some reason. Forget this post and go with nextstar's advice.

[fce]

{QUOTE-> Did you use the Folder Mover utility I mentioned to move your data to the D drive as that should have moved your Outlook files? Any antivirus or any other software that needs regularly updating should be re-installed to the D drive so that any updated files will stay current.

It sounds like you're nearly there, just a bit of tweaking needed :) .

Graham <-QUOTE}

Nexstar,

I forgot to install Folder Mover Utility ;D

Anyway I uninstall Rollback Rx and AV....and do the clean up (defrag, ccleaner)

After that I install Folder Mover Utility, AV (@ drive D) and Rollback Rx (Protecting only Drive C, uncheck drive D)

Finally got it!! (unless you see something wrong with my procedure).

Tomorrow i'll play and create lot of snapshot and see hows Folder Mover Utility works....Thanks guys!! ;)

Btw, when i uninstall rollback rx i have 3 snapshot....i choose the newest snapshot and i foget how to save my 2 snapshot :'( I have 2 software to reinstall because of that carelessness ;D

If ver 8.1 is available and need to uninstall ver.8 how should i save and restore my snapshot after i installed ver 8.1 (or after reinstall ver. 8)?

[nexstar]

{QUOTE-> Nexstar,
Finally got it!! (unless you see something wrong with my procedure).
<-QUOTE}
That looked fine :) .
{QUOTE->
Tomorrow i'll play and create lot of snapshot and see hows Folder Mover Utility works....Thanks guys!! ;)
<-QUOTE}
Have you made a backup image yet? I don't mean with Rollback's internal backup but with some other application. If not then I would do that before going much further.
{QUOTE->
If ver 8.1 is available and need to uninstall ver.8 how should i save and restore my snapshot after i installed ver 8.1 (or after reinstall ver. 8)? <-QUOTE}
Up to now, it has been necessary to uninstall and reinstall for RB updates. It would be nice to think that this isn't going to be the case.....but I suspect it will. So you will have to uninstall to presumambly, your current snapshot then install the update and that will be your baseline.

Graham

[fce]

{QUOTE->
Have you made a backup image yet? I don't mean with Rollback's internal backup but with some other application. If not then I would do that before going much further.

Graham <-QUOTE}


what do you mean backup image?

[nexstar]

{QUOTE-> what do you mean backup image? <-QUOTE}
Ahhh.....there's more to be done here ;) .

You need a copy of everything that's on, at least, your C drive so that you can put everything back the way it is now but without having to start from scratch. Imaging software does this. You will normally also have to create a recovery CD which is what you would boot with if you need to restore the image.

This is what the backup procedure within Rollback is intended for but I would prefer to have another backup personally. You really can't have too many :)

Graham

[fce]

{QUOTE-> Ahhh.....there's more to be done here ;) .

You need a copy of everything that's on, at least, your C drive so that you can put everything back the way it is now but without having to start from scratch. Imaging software does this. You will normally also have to create a recovery CD which is what you would boot with if you need to restore the image.

This is what the backup procedure within Rollback is intended for but I would prefer to have another backup personally. You really can't have too many :)

Graham <-QUOTE}


imaging software like ATI? what you recommend c/w RBx

[LoneWolf]

{QUOTE-> imaging software like ATI? what you recommend c/w RBx <-QUOTE}


Good question.
Anyone?

[fce]

{QUOTE-> Did you use the Folder Mover utility I mentioned to move your data to the D drive as that should have moved your Outlook files? Any antivirus or any other software that needs regularly updating should be re-installed to the D drive so that any updated files will stay current.

It sounds like you're nearly there, just a bit of tweaking needed :) .

Graham <-QUOTE}

Nexstar,

i already used Folder Mover Utility but after receiving my email in current snapshot and when i rollback to old snapshot my email is gone. I thought i can still view my email since FMU will move all pst file to drive D?

maybe i did something wrong?
1. install FMU
2. install RBx
3. install AV at drive D
4. install MS Office (incl. outlook)

should i install oulook first before FMU?

[nexstar]

{QUOTE->
should i install oulook first before FMU? <-QUOTE}
Yes, otherwise FMU doesn't have anything to move :) .

As far as imaging apps are concerned then, for me, it has to be Drive Snapshot (http://www.drivesnapshot.de). But it's not the only option by any means.

Graham

[Peter2150]

{QUOTE-> Good question.
Anyone? <-QUOTE}

Okay. my program of choice is Shadowprotect. Higher end product, that may be a bit more robust, also a bit more expenseive.

Acronis isn't bad if it works for you and if you stay away from all of its frills and stick to basic imaging.

Drive SNapshot which has been discussed here at length is also great if you use a Bartpe disk for recovery. It's dos recovery is terrible.

IFW/IFD are also great, but better with Bartpe since you can also restore with IFW. IFD is a reliable work horse, but slowwww.....

Pete

[fce]

{QUOTE-> Yes, otherwise FMU doesn't have anything to move :) .

As far as imaging apps are concerned then, for me, it has to be Drive Snapshot (http://www.drivesnapshot.de). But it's not the only option by any means.

Graham <-QUOTE}

i think it will not solve the problem because i cannot choose drive D to install MS Office. not sure if outlook have a feature to save pst file directly to drive D folder. anyway i'm good with this setup though my outlook is not saving pst file in drive D.

also is imaging apps is necessity? i think rollback rx is enough unless i'm being paranoid that my HDD will crash tomorrow :)

i never experience any HDD crashing problem for almost 4yrs in my old laptop so i think i'm good with rollback rx only.

[nexstar]

{QUOTE-> i think it will not solve the problem because i cannot choose drive D to install MS Office. not sure if outlook have a feature to save pst file directly to drive D folder. anyway i'm good with this setup though my outlook is not saving pst file in drive D.
<-QUOTE}
You can still install MS Office to the C drive, then run FMU and it will move the data files to the D drive configuring Outlook so it still knows where to find them.
{QUOTE->
also is imaging apps is necessity?
<-QUOTE}
That's a brave question to ask on a security forum!! :) .
{QUOTE->
i never experience any HDD crashing problem for almost 4yrs in my old laptop so i think i'm good with rollback rx only. <-QUOTE}
The choice is yours entirely, but don't say you weren't warned :) .

Graham

[Peter2150]

{QUOTE->
also is imaging apps is necessity? i think rollback rx is enough unless i'm being paranoid that my HDD will crash tomorrow :)

i never experience any HDD crashing problem for almost 4yrs in my old laptop so i think i'm good with rollback rx only. <-QUOTE}

This is a lesson you can learn one of two ways. Listen to the folks here and get into imaging, or learn the hard way, when any number of things can trash the disk to the point a recovery program won't work.

[fce]

alright i'll browse this forum and check this shadowprotect or drive snapshot that will run good with rollback rx.

thanks

[ErikAlbert]

fce,
Peter is right, if you don't take care of image backup, you will learn it the hard way.
I had first image backup and then FDISR and I was lucky that ATI restored all my FDISR-snapshots, otherwise I would have needed another image backup software.
Softwares like FDISR/RBRx are good for daily problems, but not in worst case scenarios, like harddisk crashes, corrupted FDISR/RBRx, ...
Since I have my new computer (March 2006) all my problems were caused by installing new softwares, that didn't like my system, not malware or viruses.
In most cases FDISR saved me and sometimes I needed ATI to restore my system partition completely.

WinVISTA is too new and that's why there are so many problems, I knew this in advance, because I was an early user of win2000pro myself and I had nothing but problems.
That's why I waited so long with winXPproSP2 and now history repeats itself with winVISTA.

One advice : test your image backup/RESTORE very well, especially with RBRx, before you buy it.

[fce]

{QUOTE-> fce,
Peter is right, if you don't take care of image backup, you will learn it the hard way.
I had first image backup and then FDISR and I was lucky that ATI restored all my FDISR-snapshots, otherwise I would have needed another image backup software.
Softwares like FDISR/RBRx are good for daily problems, but not in worst case scenarios, like harddisk crashes, corrupted FDISR/RBRx, ...
Since I have my new computer (March 2006) all my problems were caused by installing new softwares, that didn't like my system, not malware or viruses.
In most cases FDISR saved me and sometimes I needed ATI to restore my system partition completely.

WinVISTA is too new and that's why there are so many problems, I knew this in advance, because I was an early user of win2000pro myself and I had nothing but problems.
That's why I waited so long with winXPproSP2 and now history repeats itself with winVISTA.

One advice : test your image backup/RESTORE very well, especially with RBRx, before you buy it. <-QUOTE}

yes i'm now looking for image backup that will work well with vista/RBx/KIS and with lot of user like here in wilders because i found that i can rely more on wilders member than 2days waiting time from seller tech support.

horizon never sold my problem with fdisr... and RBx already saving me from buggy vista every day, so i guess whatever image back up i'll choose should work first with VISTA/RBX/KIS.

[Chris12923]

{QUOTE-> yes i'm now looking for image backup that will work well with vista/RBx/KIS and with lot of user like here in wilders because i found that i can rely more on wilders member than 2days waiting time from seller tech support.

horizon never sold my problem with fdisr... and RBx already saving me from buggy vista every day, so i guess whatever image back up i'll choose should work first with VISTA/RBX/KIS. <-QUOTE}
ATI 10 works well for what you are in need of doing.

Thanks,

Chris

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE-> yes i'm now looking for image backup that will work well with vista/RBx/KIS and with lot of user like here in wilders because i found that i can rely more on wilders member than 2days waiting time from seller tech support.

horizon never sold my problem with fdisr... and RBx already saving me from buggy vista every day, so i guess whatever image back up i'll choose should work first with VISTA/RBX/KIS. <-QUOTE}
Whatever you choose, TEST IT YOURSELF.
What works on someone's else computer, doesn't mean it will work on YOUR computer.
If the backup works, doesn't mean that the RESTORE will work.
A restore has to give you back exactly what you had on your harddisk, when you did the backup, anything else is unacceptable.
If you had 3 RBRx-snapshots, then the image has to restore 3 RBRx-snapshots as well. :)

[Chris12923]

{QUOTE-> Whatever you choose, TEST IT YOURSELF.
What works on someone's else computer, doesn't mean it will work on YOUR computer.
If the backup works, doesn't mean that the RESTORE will work. <-QUOTE}
I agree.
{QUOTE-> A restore has to give you back exactly what you had on your harddisk, when you did the backup, anything else is unacceptable. <-QUOTE}
I agree in a sense.
{QUOTE-> If you had 3 RBRx-snapshots, then the image has to restore 3 RBRx-snapshot as well. <-QUOTE}
Please tell us a program that does this reliably. I for one would really appreciate it.

Thanks,

Chris

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE->
Please tell us a program that does this reliably. I for one would really appreciate it. <-QUOTE}
I'm a FDISR-user, not a RBRx-user. FDISR has no problem with popular Image Backup softwares, like StorageCraft, Acronis, Paragon, Norton, Terabyte, ... except Microsoft's Backup software, but that didn't surprise me.
All these softwares restore FDISR-snapshots completely.

Regarding backup/restore of RBRx-snapshots, I've read so many stories, that I still don't know what works or not.
Sometimes only the baseline snapshot was restored, sometimes the current snapshot only and the rest of the snapshots was gone, which is for me unacceptable.
Other stories claim that a RAW image is the solution to restore ALL RBRx-snapshots.
Other stories claim that the restore was complete with this and this backup software.

I call that a BIG MESS of information. So I'm not going to recommend anything, until ALL RBRx-users, clear that confusion once and for all. ;D

[fce]

{QUOTE->
Regarding backup/restore of RBRx-snapshots, I've read so many stories, that I still don't know what works or not.
Sometimes only the baseline snapshot was restored, sometimes the current snapshot only and the rest of the snapshots was gone, which is for me unacceptable.
Other stories claim that a RAW image is the solution to restore ALL RBRx-snapshots.
Other stories claim that the restore was complete with this and this backup software.
<-QUOTE}


i hope chris will give some of his experience if that really happen with RBx+ATI10 combination.

i might try ATI10.

btw, i read ATI10 overview....it works almost the same as RBx?

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE->
btw, i read ATI10 overview....it works almost the same as RBx? <-QUOTE}
Once again, Image backup (ATI10) and Immediate System Recovery (RBRx/FDISR) are NOT the same.
Having RBRx/FDISR alone is not good.
Having ATI10 alone is good.
Having ATI10 + RBRx/FDISR is also good.

[fce]

after reading how ATI work, i think i will stay for the moment with Rollback Rx and KIS7 for my computer safeguarding.

i'm a safe computer user and base on my previous experience with my old laptop for more than 3years i really don't get a problem of restoring my whole HDD or getting BSOD problem. I'm good with Rollback Rx for buggy vista OS.

Virus problem, yes i got some scary moment with my old laptop thats why i invest with good anti virus.

thanks guys, i really appreciate your input.

[Peter2150]

{QUOTE-> after reading how ATI work, i think i will stay for the moment with Rollback Rx and KIS7 for my computer safeguarding.

i'm a safe computer user and base on my previous experience with my old laptop for more than 3years i really don't get a problem of restoring my whole HDD or getting BSOD problem. I'm good with Rollback Rx for buggy vista OS.

Virus problem, yes i got some scary moment with my old laptop thats why i invest with good anti virus.

thanks guys, i really appreciate your input. <-QUOTE}

You are skating on very thin Ice my friend, as you are counting on a program, that I do like, but would rank low on dependability.


Edited for typo Pete

[fce]

{QUOTE-> You are skating on very thin Ice my friend, as you are counting on a program, that I do like, but would rank high on dependability. <-QUOTE}

i don't want to install a lot of safeguarding software that will slowdown and experience a lot of software conflict issue.

so for now i'll stay with this stable software (KIS7 and Rollback Rx)....after couple of months i'll try image backup software, i also need to review more thread/review before i go with image backup.

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE-> i don't want to install a lot of safeguarding software that will slowdown and experience a lot of software conflict issue.

so for now i'll stay with this stable software (KIS7 and Rollback Rx)....after couple of months i'll try image backup software, i also need to review more thread/review before i go with image backup. <-QUOTE}
That's most probably the reason, why I don't know much about backup/restore of RBRx-snapshots. Maybe they don't backup/restore at all or don't care losing all their RBRx-snapshots, except one. ;D

[Peter2150]

{QUOTE-> i don't want to install a lot of safeguarding software that will slowdown and experience a lot of software conflict issue.

so for now i'll stay with this stable software (KIS7 and Rollback Rx)....after couple of months i'll try image backup software, i also need to review more thread/review before i go with image backup. <-QUOTE}

I made a typo, meant low on reliablity. You've missed the point of a few posters. Namely that Rollback has not been stable for a lot of people. Hope it works out for you.

[fce]

{QUOTE-> I made a typo, meant low on reliablity. You've missed the point of a few posters. Namely that Rollback has not been stable for a lot of people. Hope it works out for you. <-QUOTE}

that's why i challenge all the user who experience problem with RBRx - Chkdsk error to give me step by step procedure i'll check it myself....if i experience that crashing issue i'll throw RBRx since i still have 12days before activating this product.

i run chkdsk manually and do hard restart (i think 3times) Chkdsk run automatic but never experience that crashing issue while running CHKDSK.

[pandlouk]

{QUOTE-> that's why i challenge all the user who experience problem with RBRx - Chkdsk error to give me step by step procedure i'll check it myself....if i experience that crashing issue i'll throw RBRx since i still have 12days before activating this product.

i run chkdsk manually and do hard restart (i think 3times) Chkdsk run automatic but never experience that crashing issue while running CHKDSK. <-QUOTE}
Hi fce,
this is not the right procedure to replicate the "chkdsk bug". You shouldfirst try to fill about 70% of your disk/partition with snapshots, delete some, defrag them, create some more and then try the hard restart.
This bug become visible after you run rollback Rx for 1-2 months when lots of snapshots have being created, deleted and defragged.;)

[pandlouk]

{QUOTE-> That's most probably the reason, why I don't know much about backup/restore of RBRx-snapshots. Maybe they don't backup/restore at all or don't care losing all their RBRx-snapshots, except one. ;D <-QUOTE}
For the moment backing-up all the snapshots serves little. They will be lost as soon as you update Rollback RX; so what is the meaning in creating them since they'll be lost anyway?:P

[fce]

{QUOTE-> Hi fce,
this is not the right procedure to replicate the "chkdsk bug". You shouldfirst try to fill about 70% of your disk/partition with snapshots, delete some, defrag them, create some more and then try the hard restart.
This bug become visible after you run rollback Rx for 1-2 months when lots of snapshots have being created, deleted and defragged.;) <-QUOTE}

oh. i used almost 10% of my HDD (all of my software is already installed) and it will take me more years to use 70% of my HDD. Maybe when i reached that 70% ....horizon data will release new version to fixed that chkdsk problem.

i hope when i reached that 70% HDD capacity, still i'm one of the lucky one ;D

for now i'll enjoy this Rollback Rx

[Chris12923]

{QUOTE-> for now i'll enjoy this Rollback Rx <-QUOTE}
Thats the thig you either love it or hate it :) I love it to, but just the other day on one of my customers pc they received error 8002 (I think it was) MBR invalid. Now I have never heard of this so I don't know if it was Rollback error or hard disk error but neverless they could not access windows. I used ATI 10 boot disc to backup drive. Fixed MBR but now I was at the snapshot I created for them in April. Luckily they still backed up some of the important files they needed. So as much as I love Rollback it is possible to lose info. If they would have used Rollback to store their snapshots to another disc they would have been ok but they didn't.

Thanks,

Chris

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE-> For the moment backing-up all the snapshots serves little. They will be lost as soon as you update Rollback RX; so what is the meaning in creating them since they'll be lost anyway?:P <-QUOTE}
I hope they put this as a feature on RollbackRx's website too along with the other problems of RBRx and ask $23 for it instead of $69 and let them scratch the word "robust" as well. :P

[fce]

alright i'll leave this thread first and go to Acronis Forum for a while ;D

i just can't ignore you warning guys, instead of wasting playing games for this weekend i'll spend time using ATI10 (+ RBRx8 ) ;D

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE-> alright i'll leave this thread first and go to Acronis Forum for a while ;D

i just can't ignore you warning guys, instead of wasting playing games for this weekend i'll spend time using ATI10 (+ RBRx8 ) ;D <-QUOTE}
Well let us know your experiences with this combination. I'm curious myself.

[fce]

Geez! I find ATI10 features more good compare to Rollback Rx ;D

and they work the same except for 15mins time to make backup vs. 1minute of RBRx.

Is it worth it to keep RBRx if i will use ATI10? :lurking:

If i got BSOD or corrupted files i can easily restore my back up with ATI, same with RBRx....i really don't know what's the big difference between the two.

What i liked with ATI is i can create bootable rescue media (RBRx need BartPE which i can't create because its not compatible with vista)

Btw, what is the advantage of enabling acronis startup recovery manager?

[fce]

i perform Backup and restore with ATI10.....it take 5minutes to restore myy back up.

but got this message when loading acronis during restoring...PCI: cannot allocate resource region 9 of bridge 00:01.0

hmmmm...i'm thinking of using ATI10 only to save money ;)

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE-> i perform Backup and restore with ATI10.....it take 5minutes to restore myy back up.

but got this message when loading acronis during restoring...PCI: cannot allocate resource region 9 of bridge 00:01.0

hmmmm...i'm thinking of using ATI10 only to save money ;) <-QUOTE}
Trial the full evaluation version of ShadowProtect Desktop v3 first, to see the difference, Recovery CD included.

[EASTER]

{QUOTE-> Fixed MBR but now I was at the snapshot I created for them in April. Luckily they still backed up some of the important files they needed. So as much as I love Rollback it is possible to lose info. If they would have used Rollback to store their snapshots to another disc they would have been ok but they didn't. <-QUOTE}

Exactly similar problem experienced myself. Lost data as in ALL snaps created with exception of first one, and that turned my gut. On a positive as mentioned, and especially with that ongoing issue, the prudent/wisest protection is to keep RB snaps onto alternative media.

Personally am looking forward to the new version. I harbor a rather sneaky suspicion that finally some complaints made there way thru chain of command (revenue) ;) and even more beneficial improvements/results are on their way for us.

[DVD+R]

I'm thinking this. With Rollback 8.1 released next week, can we upgrade without uninstalling 8.0 ??? Cause I dont want to lose some snapshots, and besides repeated install/uninstall shags out your hard drive :dry:

[fce]

{QUOTE-> I'm thinking this. With Rollback 8.1 released next week, can we upgrade without uninstalling 8.0 ??? Cause I dont want to lose some snapshots, and besides repeated install/uninstall shags out your hard drive :dry: <-QUOTE}

i talked to horizon data and they advise me to uninstall v8....im dissapointed because i have a good snapshot that will be lost if upgaraded to v8.1


erik, i'll try SP3 (edit: after checking price of SP3...i'll just try ATI10 :) )

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE-> Geez! I find ATI10 features more good compare to Rollback Rx ;D
and they work the same except for 15mins time to make backup vs. 1minute of RBRx. <-QUOTE}
Backup/Restore is always slower than Immediate System Recovery, that's why it's called "Immediate".
{QUOTE-> Is it worth it to keep RBRx if i will use ATI10? :lurking: <-QUOTE}
I can't answer that question, because I don't like RBRx at all.
If you would ask to keep FDISR along with ATI10, than I would say : YES, YES, YES.
{QUOTE->
If i got BSOD or corrupted files i can easily restore my back up with ATI, same with RBRx....i really don't know what's the big difference between the two.
<-QUOTE}
Yes you can restore your computer after a BSOD or even worse, like a zeroed harddisk. You only need 2 things :
1. Acronis Rescue CD, make 2 or 3 of them and use QUALITY CD's, like Verbatim.
2. An UP-TO-DATE image on an external harddisk. (Don't use DVD's with ATI).
Acronis Forum is full of disaster posts with DVD's.

You don't see the difference, because you just started. Trust me, there is a difference and one day you will SEE the difference. Give it time.
{QUOTE->
What i liked with ATI is i can create bootable rescue media (RBRx need BartPE which i can't create because its not compatible with vista)
<-QUOTE}
Every decent Image Backup software has a Recovery CD or a function to create one.
As I said before winVISTA is a pain, I'm not surprised that BartPE isn't compatible with winVISTA.
M$ didn't have to create winVISTA, M$ had to improve winXP.
{QUOTE->
Btw, what is the advantage of enabling acronis startup recovery manager? <-QUOTE}
Never used that one, including the "Secured Zone".
Keep in mind that ATI is also bloatware with useless functions, especially ATI10.
You need ATI10, because that is the only version of ATI that is compatible with winVISTA.

[fce]

{QUOTE-> I can't answer that question, because I don't like RBRx at all.
If you would ask to keep FDISR along with ATI10, than I would say : YES, YES, YES. <-QUOTE}

after using RBRx and ATI10....its redundant if i will retain RBRx with ATI. I think same with FDISR. So for now I'll try ATI10 only (cheaper than RBRx too)

{QUOTE-> Yes you can restore your computer after a BSOD or even worse, like a zeroed harddisk. You only need 2 things :
1. Acronis Rescue CD, make 2 or 3 of them and use QUALITY CD's, like Verbatim.
2. An UP-TO-DATE image on an external harddisk. (Don't use DVD's with ATI).
Acronis Forum is full of disaster posts with DVD's. <-QUOTE}

I dont plan to use DVD to backup ATI.

Btw, to ATI user... how can i back up using external HDD. I'm trying to check the main panel but can't find the option to save my ATI backup to ext. HDD. Also if i uninstalled ATI all my back up will be useless (same with Rollback Rx)?


{QUOTE->
Never used that one, including the "Secured Zone".
<-QUOTE}

really, i thought its the same startup Rollback Rx is using. if i will not enable acronis startup recovery manager i cant have any option to choose to recover during startup?

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE->
Btw, to ATI user... how can i back up using external HDD. I'm trying to check the main panel but can't find the option to save my ATI backup to ext. HDD. Also if i uninstalled ATI all my back up will be useless (same with Rollback Rx)?
<-QUOTE}
The backup and restore Wizard guide you through the backup or restore process.
You can also store that info in schedules.
Your images remain on your external harddisk after uninstalling ATI.

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE->
really, i thought its the same startup Rollback Rx is using. if i will not enable acronis startup recovery manager i cant have any option to choose to recover during startup? <-QUOTE}
Any specific questions about ATI will be answered in the Acronis Forum.

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE-> after using RBRx and ATI10....its redundant if i will retain RBRx with ATI. I think same with FDISR. So for now I'll try ATI10 only (cheaper than RBRx too) <-QUOTE}
As I said before, using ATI10 alone without FDISR/RBRx is a good decision. FDISR/RBRx = luxury, you can live without it.

[Karen76]

{QUOTE-> i talked to horizon data and they advise me to uninstall v8....im dissapointed because i have a good snapshot that will be lost if upgaraded to v8.1


erik, i'll try SP3 (edit: after checking price of SP3...i'll just try ATI10 :) ) <-QUOTE}

If you have even one Seagate drive (either internal or external) connected to your PC, you may download/install Seagate DiscWizard which is a stripped down version of ATI v10 (no incrementals or scheduled backups). I've got DiscWizard on my Vista PC and it works great. I have ATI v9 on my old XP PC and found ATI most reliable when only making full backup images and avoiding Secure Zone. I miss the ability to schedule automatic backups on my new PC, but not enough to purchase ATI v10 when DiscWizard is free. :)

I understand Seagate offers a similar program called MaxBlast for owners of Maxtor drives. If your only Seagate or Maxtor drive is an external one, it must be connected to your PC in order to install or use DiscWizard or MaxBlast.

[nexstar]

{QUOTE-> What i liked with ATI is i can create bootable rescue media (RBRx need BartPE which i can't create because its not compatible with vista)
<-QUOTE}
Do you have access to a XP machine? BartPE/UBCD cannot be made on a Vista pc but, once you have the bootable CD, that will work fine on a Vista pc.

Graham

[fce]

{QUOTE-> Do you have access to a XP machine? BartPE/UBCD cannot be made on a Vista pc but, once you have the bootable CD, that will work fine on a Vista pc.

Graham <-QUOTE}

never mind. i created bootable disk from ATI10. thanks anyway.

i'm still building some confidence using ATI backup/restore.

btw, i created ATI full back up.... can i just copy that full backup files from my drive D directly to my external HDD? or do i need to use ATI feature (same as RBRx create back up)?

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE-> never mind. i created bootable disk from ATI10. thanks anyway.

i'm still building some confidence using ATI backup/restore.

btw, i created ATI full back up.... can i just copy that full backup files from my drive D directly to my external HDD? or do i need to use ATI feature (same as RBRx create back up)? <-QUOTE}
Image files are just like other files, you can cut/copy/paste/rename them anywhere anytime.

[nexstar]

{QUOTE-> I made a typo, meant low on reliablity. <-QUOTE}
Yes, but a Freudian slip, surely? ;) .

Graham

[fce]

{QUOTE-> Image files are just like other files, you can cut/copy/paste/rename them anywhere anytime. <-QUOTE}

6gb full back up file is too large and did not allowed by vista to transfer to my external HDD. I guess i need to do another back up save to my external HDD.

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE-> 6gb full back up file is too large and did not allowed by vista to transfer to my external HDD. I guess i need to do another back up save to my external HDD. <-QUOTE}
In that case you have to do another backup to your external harddisk.
I didn't know that cut/paste or copy/paste was so limited or maybe it's another winVISTA problem. ;D

[nexstar]

{QUOTE-> 6gb full back up file is too large and did not allowed by vista to transfer to my external HDD. I guess i need to do another back up save to my external HDD. <-QUOTE}There should be an option to output files of a fixed size. 1.5GB is a good option as you can then burn 3 of them to a DVD for archiving.

Graham

[fce]

{QUOTE-> There should be an option to output files of a fixed size. 1.5GB is a good option as you can then burn 3 of them to a DVD for archiving.

Graham <-QUOTE}
correct.

after choosing 4.7GB as a fixed size, no probs transferring/copying to my ext. HDD.

btw, see post #3 of this link. i didn't get any answer from the forum and I email this problem also to acronis support website...maybe my question is for pre schooler that's why they didn't answer it yet. ;D

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=184450

[nexstar]

{QUOTE-> after choosing 4.7GB as a fixed size, no probs transferring/copying to my ext. HDD. <-QUOTE}
It is probably not an issue in your case but the reason I went for 1.5GB was that I sometimes fiddle around in DOS. FAT16 has a 2GB file size limit, FAT32's limit is 4GB. So going for 1.5GB keeps it ok for FAT16 and of a size to use up the space on a DVD efficiently. Sorry, OT I know but I just wanted to clarify the reasoning :) .

{QUOTE->
btw, see post #3 of this link. i didn't get any answer from the forum and I email this problem also to acronis support website...maybe my question is for pre schooler that's why they didn't answer it yet. ;D <-QUOTE}
This pre-schooler has just posted a reply there ;)...it may not help though.

Graham

[Peter2150]

{QUOTE-> correct.

after choosing 4.7GB as a fixed size, no probs transferring/copying to my ext. HDD.

btw, see post #3 of this link. i didn't get any answer from the forum and I email this problem also to acronis support website...maybe my question is for pre schooler that's why they didn't answer it yet. ;D

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=184450 <-QUOTE}

I missed the question about the startup recovery manager. My thoughts. I've used ATI 9 to just image and restore and it worked fine. ATI 10 is to bloated for my taste. But as I read the ATI forum seems a lot of people get into trouble with the recovery zone. Keep it simple. Finally since the primary purpose for imaging is restoring in case of total disk failure, storing images on the same disk makes no sense to me.

Pete

[fce]

{QUOTE-> I missed the question about the startup recovery manager. My thoughts. I've used ATI 9 to just image and restore and it worked fine. ATI 10 is to bloated for my taste. But as I read the ATI forum seems a lot of people get into trouble with the recovery zone. Keep it simple. Finally since the primary purpose for imaging is restoring in case of total disk failure, storing images on the same disk makes no sense to me.

Pete <-QUOTE}

i used ATI backup/recovery its working fine. I just want to know that PCI (error) message.
6minutes restoring time is not bad, same with 8minutes backup time for 15GB used files/applications.

there's no much big difference with RBRx, except the price of RBRx, Chkdsk issue and less than a minute taking snapshot.

[tisatashar]

How do i tell RollBack to store its scheduled snapshots on another drive?