A christmas gift for the women on the forum

[bigc73542]

http://www.netlaughter.com/holidays/index.cfm?action=content&id=844

[Uguel707]

:o :o :o

Those are the forum users, right?

[bigc73542]

The ones from oklahoma and texas anyway ;D

[Peaches4U]

::) Mamma mia!! ::) :-X

[beetlejuice]

:oHey Bigc. What's the deal? I thought we all agreed that we wouldn't put that picture on the web. ???

[Cochise]

Fancy putting that Piccy up on the Site, you said you'd never tell what we did for a living when not at Wilders, but if you all must know, I'm the good looking one with the father Christmas hat, if you want another clue, find where I hid the Mistletoe.

'Butch', Cochise 8) ::)(I wish)

[Paul Wilders]

...so you ladies and gents do have ActiveX enabled as a standard while clicking an unknown link? ;)

regards.

paul

[LowWaterMark]

-{ Quote: " quoting: Paul Wilders link=board=27;threadid=18248;start=0#msg112714 date=1072125169]...so you ladies and gents do have ActiveX enabled as a standard while clicking an unknown link? ;) " }-

I'm glad someone mentioned that... I haven't yet seen whatever it is at that link, or the one in this thread (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=18227). I decided to enable Flash (figured it might be one of those), than set scripting and ActiveX to prompt, allowed those when I got there... but, still did not see anything but lots of broken image links and similar. The images seem to come from sites in Hpguru's Hosts file (or maybe IE-SpyAd), I didn't figure it all out yet... So, I ended up giving up last night.

Sometimes I loosen my security if I figure what's at a site is mostly harmless and I've got other things set to trap anything that might be troublesome. But usually I stick by my settings and guidelines (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=18245).

[snowbound]

-{ Quote: " quoting: LowWaterMark link=board=27;threadid=18248;start=0#msg112740 date=1072131492]
settings and guidelines (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=18245).
" }-

Should make that a sticky ;)

Would give people the information they need for IE browser safety :)



snowbound

[beetlejuice]

Ditto's. Same as LWM.

[subratam]

man... this was not good >:( when taking the photo .. it was promised that the photo will be uncovered on nxt yr 1st jan...
man the photo is precious.. and not to be made available like this freely online atleast some price should be there... afterall the most handsome and sought after persons of world have posed for first and ..(last time as this was what we were not wanting) anyway... we will have meeting..
would be cost for the photo thereafter
1. a christmas cake( as nice as we are looking in the picture)
2. 5 cookies per person's pic
and last.. and ofcourse most important
3. free posting of "A christmas gift for the MEN on the forum" ;)

[Cochise]

OOOpps,
Not being fully up on this Computer lark darlings, but I have a sneaking feeling that we've just been told our Security leaves a lot to be desired, so I think I had better go back to the drawing board and re-check the bolts on my 'back door'.

Regards, Cochise, 8) (Mr. Vulnerable.)

[Vietnam Vet]

When I go to that site(activex on prompt, my standard response, do not allow), picture is a noshow. Spyblocker still blocks a style sheet from flowgo.com and Adshield(using the agnis-as blocklist) blocks two webbugs from the same people. By the time the various security systems running here are done this is all that's left.

[Cochise]

I printed out LWMs' Security Settings and then altered all mine to LWMs.

I found that a lot of things I normally have no problem with didn't work, a small example, just clicking from Ten-
Forward to say Software and Services etc., no longer worked? And I was being 'Prompted' about everything.
At the end of the day if I can't trust what's being posted on this board then what?
So I've gone back to "Default." It seems to have kept me out of trouble all this time and I have enjoyed every minute of it, I'm probably too old now to become sort of paranoid about Clockers, Loggers, Spraggers and Clackers and all the rest of the Doom and Gloom that comes with Total Security.
I'm quite happy to use my key to the 21st Century without getting the 'Geebies' with regard to some 'Entity' creeping up behind my Firewall. I think life is too short for that and look at all the laughs that are missed because the Computer is ruling the Owner.

I mean, come on Vietnam_Vet mate, surely there's more to life than only being able to see what your OS will let you, whose in charge here.

Love to all, Cochise, 8) (Flying on a wing and a Prayer)

[bigc73542]

Yoy run your security so tight it is as if you don't want to be able to see some benefits on the web.The link I posted for example I viewed it with no problems I always scan my comp with a2, plus my spyware guard is active and my spyware blaster. Plus scan with my av and I always clear my browser cache and history and I just don't get viruses or trojan ifestations. Maybe I just have more faith in my software and hardware firewall. In the last twenty years the viri I have gotten have all been contacted after a full restore before I had everything updated even then it was not that big a deal getting rid of the malware.I really believe in being security aware but not to the point that it takes away from the reason I am on the internet in the first place which is entertainment and just general browsing. I am glad I never fell into the paronia of security overkill.

[LowWaterMark]

-{ Quote: "I found that a lot of things I normally have no problem with didn't work, a small example, just clicking from Ten-Forward to say Software and Services etc., no longer worked? And I was being 'Prompted' about everything." }-

Actually Cochise, I think you missed a part... If you use tight security in the Internet zone, you have to add the sites that require extra features, (like javascript which this forum software uses a lot of), into the Trusted zone in IE. If you have *.wilderssecurity.com in the Trusted zone, and have that zone's security set correctly, everything here would work fine.

But in any case, while using default settings in IE is risky, we aren't talking life or death here. ;) You certainly can continue to run that way and the worst that may happen is the occasional spyware or virus issue, if even that as it all depends upon where you go and what other compensating controls you have in place.

In some ways I agree with you. Life is too short not to enjoy your experiences, which is why I rarely tell people to tighten their browser security or configure things the way I do. Generally, I stick to the basics in my recommendations...

Having a good AV & Firewall and using them correctly puts a person well ahead of 99% of the other people on the Internet.

[Uguel707]

from Cochise


-{ Quote: ">snipe...........I'm quite happy to use my key to the 21st Century without getting the 'Geebies' with regard to some 'Entity' creeping up behind my Firewall. I think life is too short for that and look at all the laughs that are missed because the Computer is ruling the Owner." }-

Well, I agree with you. I use to be careful in general but if I apply all the security rules and desactivate Activex, there are many good sites that I won't be able to enjoy anymore. My browsing will be "limited", so my pleasure. When I am not sure of a website, I don't go or will be more careful...
But of course, I don't give any personnal info on a page containing webbugs or fill a form. ANW, I always avoid filling any form on any site.


Uguel

[Uguel707]

-{ Quote: " quoting: LowWaterMark link=board=27;threadid=18248;start=15#msg113050 date=1072213552]
-{ Quote: "I found that a lot of things I normally have no problem with didn't work, a small example, just clicking from Ten-Forward to say Software and Services etc., no longer worked? And I was being 'Prompted' about everything." }-

Actually Cochise, I think you missed a part... If you use tight security in the Internet zone, you have to add the sites that require extra features, (like javascript which this forum software uses a lot of), into the Trusted zone in IE. If you have *.wilderssecurity.com in the Trusted zone, and have that zone's security set correctly, everything here would work fine.
> Snipe

" }-

Okay it sounds good...
But we would have to do that we all the sites we trust, right?
In my case, it would be a laborious task! :P
My Bookmark tab is big-busted...




Uguel

[snowbound]

I have a different perspective.

LWM's settings work well for me.

Since i got whacked by a trojan just but visiting a website, and having some activeX problems in the past( my own carelessness), I don't mind a little inconvienence from time to time.
I just put websites i know are safe in my trusted zone and if i really want to view something it just takes a few seconds to adjust it so i can.

I also have most of the tools Bigc has, which like him i have faith in too..

I'll take a little inconvience sometimes knowing now my internet travels are safer.

This is what is important to me.

Just my 2 cents guys and gals ;D





snowbound

[LowWaterMark]

-{ Quote: " quoting: Uguel707 link=board=27;threadid=18248;start=15#msg113071 date=1072215319]But we would have to do that we all the sites we trust, right?
In my case, it would be a laborious task! :P
My Bookmark tab is big-busted..." }-

Yes, it could be a big task. In fact, tightening security in any way is always a matter of trade-offs. Sometimes it takes using a few powerful security tools, which you need to learn and configure properly (which is a cost, i.e. time and effort -edit > "oh and of course sometimes real money to buy those tools, too" ;) ). Sometimes it's settings and configs like I'm describing (the cost being time and manual effort). Sometimes you do lose some functionality.

There are truly a lot of different ways to be secure and each comes with different costs and results. But keep in mind that for all of you that have never had a virus, spyware, or had to reformat because something got through and killed your system, there are also a great many people out there who did lose serious data - who had dialers installed and were not able to convince the phone company to drop the $500 charge on their bill - who had a virus that erased all their data files (images, mp3s, whatever) that they had collected over the past two years.

A lot of this comes down to luck, as well. Two people, each with patched systems running IE in default settings and a simple AV and firewall... one person never loses a file, never gets a virus, never reformats... The other gets hammered. It happens everyday.

So while I don't run around telling people they have to use tight security settings, I'm also careful to point out that many others have had problems and not because they didn't know what they were doing, but because they just happened to go somewhere other than you, and they hit something more damaging.

[Cochise]

I couldn't agree more with everything you say Mate, if you don't know about security, nobody does.

But I hide behind my AVG and my Adaware and my Spybot S&D and Spyware Blaster and not forgetting my faithful Outpost Firewall....I know....it doesn't sound much but I don't go off having adventures into the Dark Steamy swamps of the Internet where the dreaded 'Lurgies' lie in wait for unsuspecting clunkers like me.

I'm just happy wallowing around in Wilders Wonderful World of Humour, good hearted repartee, and the very best selfless help and information second to non.

Smile kindly on me great God of the Internet for sometimes I know not what I do. Amen.

Byee, Cochise, 8) ;D (A Happy Man)

[Uguel707]

-{ Quote: " quoting: LowWaterMark link=board=27;threadid=18248;start=15#msg113077 date=1072215910]
-{ Quote: " quoting: Uguel707 link=board=27;threadid=18248;start=15#msg113071 date=1072215319]But we would have to do that we all the sites we trust, right?
In my case, it would be a laborious task! :P
My Bookmark tab is big-busted..." }-

Yes, it could be a big task. In fact, tightening security in any way is always a matter of trade-offs. Sometimes it takes using a few powerful security tools, which you need to learn and configure properly (which is a cost, i.e. time and effort -edit > "oh and of course sometimes real money to buy those tools, too" ;) ). Sometimes it's settings and configs like I'm describing (the cost being time and manual effort). Sometimes you do lose some functionality.

There are truly a lot of different ways to be secure and each comes with different costs and results. But keep in mind that for all of you that have never had a virus, spyware, or had to reformat because something got through and killed your system, there are also a great many people out there who did lose serious data - who had dialers installed and were not able to convince the phone company to drop the $500 charge on their bill - who had a virus that erased all their data files (images, mp3s, whatever) that they had collected over the past two years.

A lot of this comes down to luck, as well. Two people, each with patched systems running IE in default settings and a simple AV and firewall... one person never loses a file, never gets a virus, never reformats... The other gets hammered. It happens everyday.

>Snipe
" }-

Well, thank you for making things clear.
I guess I'll have to manage the trade-off between internet security and pleasure. Of course, it doesn't appeal to me to catch a virus, spyware or whatever...let alone having to reformat... :'(
I'd rather being more careful instead.

I will go ahead and implement your suggestions now :)



Uguel

[Vietnam Vet]

Well, that was a very interesting reaction and quite unexpected, I might add.

"I mean, come on Vietnam_Vet mate, surely there's more to life than only being able to see what your OS will let you, whose in charge here."

And what makes you think that I would want to see a bunch of men in their underwear, anyway?

"I really believe in being security aware but not to the point that it takes away from the reason I am on the internet in the first place which is entertainment and just general browsing. I am glad I never fell into the paronia of security overkill."

And if you could point out to me where I told you to change anything, I would like to edit that out, but I can't seem to find it. You are insinuating that I am paranoid because I use products that are regularly recommended here as well as other security sites and do not in any way hinder my internet usage in the manner that I use the web personally. Shouldn't we remember that everyone has there own likes and dislikes and whether we agree or disagree with them doesn't necessarily make us right or wrong? It must be pretty convenient applying your own values to everything you encounter and dismissing a different viewpoint as a crippling personal problem.

Now as to the real reason for my post, I was simply responding to posts made by Paul and LowWaterMark. You would be so kind as to remember that LWM made this remark:

"I didn't figure it all out yet... So, I ended up giving up last night"

My post was intended as a kind of continuance to this. It was never intended to discourage anyone from doing what they want to do on the net and I am very sorry if you took it that way. By all means, continue on. But on the other hand, I notice that the critical responses that followed were directed at me. I must say, I never expected to receive criticism on a security board for using security products and indeed am saddened by what I consider statements that border on personal attacks against my beliefs, dismissing them simply because they did not match your own.

I am sorry to intrude on your chosen lifestyles. It won't happen again.

[Dan Perez]

-{ Quote: " I'm probably too old now to become sort of paranoid about Clockers, Loggers, Spraggers and Clackers and all the rest of the Doom and Gloom that comes with Total Security." }-

ROFL ;D ;D ;D

Very good Cochise! You get a cookie for that effort!! :D

Hi Vet!

It's been a while since I've seen you on here! Welcome back!. Don't mind our friend Cochise, his sense of humor is always suspect but his heart is pure! I'm sure no offense was meant and I feel you will come to the same conclusion once you encounter more of his cracked remarks ;)

Regards,

Dan

[beetlejuice]

-{ Quote: ""A christmas gift for the MEN on the forum" ;)
" }-

Yeah girls. Where's our "Present?" ;D ;D ;D

[Cochise]

WOW! Vet Buddy, you sure read a lot into what was two lines of tongue-in-cheek rubbish.

But whatever offended you I retract totally with profuse apologies.

I would hope that will suffice, but I'm still really at a loss as to how you read so much into so little.

Regards, Cochise, 8) (Backing very quietly out of this Thread)

[LowWaterMark]

We all have to remember a few things...

First, we're all going to have different ideas about just what security is, and how much of it is necessary based upon what we do. We all are online for different purposes. Some people want simple enjoyment and don't want to take a lot of time worrying about security. For them it is probably best to get a few good tools, take a little time to figure them out and configure them, and then if something should happen to go wrong, places like Wilders are here to help them.

There is nothing wrong with this approach.

Others like to tweak and configure things. They like to try all kinds of different software and in fact, for some all this tweaking and software testing is what they like to do with their computers. (I'm one of those myself.)

Yes, sometimes when people with these different perspectives come together, they look at how the other group does things and they disagree... That's fine. Let's just try to keep this from being personal.

In fact, here in ten-forward you'd hope to not have too much conflict. This section is really for entertainment and socializing. Please, let's try to not take too personally the things others post here.

Oh, and let's not forget this thread: No offense?! Yes, really!! (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=11108)

[Cochise]

I'll drink to that! ;D ;D ;D......Vive le difference....

Cochise, 8)

[Uguel707]

HI VIETNAM_VET,

A picture is worth a thousand words...
Your post was more valuable to me than long flowery speeches.
Especially after seeing two nasty webbugs on it.
Many people dislike cookies but many people don't know about webbugs which are the real spies.

Not long after I've got my first pc last year, I read a book from Hendric Wehr on "Windows XP" and he kept repeating that the most revealing things weren't the cookies but rather the Webbugs for they are capable of collecting so much info on you:

"Webbugs: "They are the real Spies"

He went on and say that they'd collect info on : your IP address, the address of the page you are visiting, the time you're visiting that page, which browser you used, and the content of a cookie associated with your webbug.

It is always good knowing if a page contains Webbugs or not.
They are the real spies, more than the "cookies". So, your input was very interesting.

But knowing Cochise, I know that he didn't mean any harm but rather made good fun. See how he "mistreated" me with my "Snowflafes" thread?!

Regards,


Uguel :)

[Uguel707]

-{ Quote: " quoting: Cochise link=board=27;threadid=18248;start=15#msg113126 date=1072222522]
I'll drink to that! ;D ;D ;D......Vive le difference....

Cochise, 8)
" }-

What? ???
I might not be one of Shakespeare's daughters but I am one of Molière's ...So please say:


"Vive la différence" instead!


Uguel ;D ;D 8)

[Uguel707]

-{ Quote: " quoting: beetlejuice link=board=27;threadid=18248;start=15#msg113117 date=1072221328]
-{ Quote: ""A christmas gift for the MEN on the forum" ;)
" }-

Yeah girls. Where's our "Present?" ;D ;D ;D
" }-


Hey Beetlejuice!

Here's a dolly kiss as a present for you!
Hope you'll like it! ;)


Uguel

[Vietnam Vet]

Hi everyone,

Actually, that post probably came across sounding much more harsh than it was really meant to be. I tried to insert smilies at strategic places in that post, but for some reason, the board wouldn't let me! Maybe my security settings got in the way, what do you think? ::)

Cochise, my remark to you was supposed to look like this:

And what makes you think that I would want to see a bunch of men in their underwear, anyway? ;D

Hopefully, that would put that in a different context than it appeared the first time. Should have kept that in a separate reply, anyway.

As to the rest of that post, what I tried to say is exactly what LWM just expressed about everyone's different approach and respecting that approach. If you reread that post, I believe you will see that. My mistake was replying while in an irritated frame of mind, because bigc73542's remarks about being glad that he hadn't fell into the paranoia trap did truly irritate me. The only way I could see to take that remark translates into a personal statement about me. :'( The majority of my post was a direct response to that. There is no politician blood in my veins. I tend to be direct. In keeping with the tone this post is intended, if I misinterpreted those remarks, then I apologize.

Now, I did not mean to rain on anyone's parade. I don't think I said anymore with that picture than what was inferred by Paul or LWM's remarks, But I felt singled out for unfair criticism. Thus, my reaction. But hey, it doesn't say Admin under my name, does it? ;)

And last, but not least, Uguel707, the picture was not posted with the intent to show anyone the error of their ways, or any other goal at all. If that picture was valuable to you, I am glad, and I hope it helped in some way, but I cannot take credit for trying to help anyone. Please don't misunderstand me, if I can ever be of help to you or anyone else, I welcome the opportunity, but in this case there was no such lofty goal. The post was intended as a response almost entirely to LowWaterMark's post. No more, no less.

Thanks to both Dan and LowWaterMark for beginning the healing process. :) ;) 8)

Wishing everyone a happy and safe holiday season. :) God Bless, one and all!

[bigc73542]

Sometimes I say what is on my mind without thought about how someone might take it . This is a shortcoming on my part. Any thing I post like this is in generalities and not intended to offend in any way.It did seem to irritate a few people and I do appoligize for that. In the future when I post I will take all aspectes into consideration, I do appologize for any hard feelings.

Curtis Rollins

bigc73542

[Uguel707]

Merry Chritsmas to both of you!


Uguel :)

[bigc73542]

And a very Merry Christmas to you also :)

[LowWaterMark]

Thanks folks! Nice job by all of you! :)

[beetlejuice]

-{ Quote: "Hey Beetlejuice!

Here's a dolly kiss as a present for you!
Hope you'll like it! ;)


Uguel
" }-

Thanks Uguel. And here's a cookie for you. You made my day. ;D ;D ;D

[Vietnam Vet]

One last comment to finish clearing the air just to be on the safe side.

bigc73542, there are no hard feelings. Sometimes things just happen. This happened. If there is an "us against them" situation, I believe we all would be on the "us" side together against a much more obvious "them".

[bigc73542]

Hear Hear!

[beetlejuice]

-{ Quote: "Don't mind our friend Cochise, his sense of humor is always suspect
Regards,

Dan
" }-

I suspect it's the peyote buttons. ;) ;D
Just kidding Cochice. ;D

[Detox]

errr... actually Cochise's mental difficulties as of late may be attributed to the fact that I chose not to share my "clean" water supply with him while he was in my bunker with me. I gave him the water that leaks in the corner from the direction of the nuclear power plant.

[Cochise]

Just to add to the this misadventure, I think Darling Uguels' sig says it all, and when I think about it, I'm pleased to say I have just realised I based my life on that premis.

May I wish you everything you wish yourselves and may your Security Gods follow you everywhere and keep you all safe in this life.

Love to All, Cochise. 8)

PS. Sorry Uguel, my French is a little fractured. ;D