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msmelle
June 22nd, 2007, 12:17 PM
Hi everyone

I've been browsing here and there looking for an answer to this before posting but I'm a bit confused so I will ask it in this area as I'm not sure where else to put it.

I am presently using IE 6 and update regularly. I don't like IE 7. I'm not crazy about Opera and I have tried Firefox at some time but I did see on another forum that it wasn't guaranteed that Firefox was *anti spyware or malware free* and that it wasn't safer than IE although it was a good browser. So as of now, I'm not sure. But I see there are allot of knowledgeable people in this forum so I ask you this question again.

What about firefox? Maxthon? I here these names and would like to change if you think that IE 6 isn't suficient.

Thanks for your replies. :)

Melle :)

Franklin
June 22nd, 2007, 12:23 PM
Want super safety with no slow downs?

FF with Noscript and Adblock plus addons run through Sandboxie whilst in Returnil shadowmode.:)

msmelle
June 22nd, 2007, 12:35 PM
{QUOTE-> Want super safety with no slow downs?

FF with Noscript and Adblock plus addons run through Sandboxie whilst in Returnil shadowmode.:) <-QUOTE}

Hi and thanks for your reply. I'm sorry but I didn't understand much of what you just said. ???

Pedro
June 22nd, 2007, 12:44 PM
Normally i would say Opera. It's the most userfriendly imo, and complete.

But due to recent discussions, and my experience since using Firefox again, i say Firefox with the extensions NoScript, CookieSafe and RefControl.
Then i suggest taking a look at another thread for extensions here (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=122085&highlight=firefox+extensions).

The problem with Firefox is great functionality comes with extensions, the good is the extensions :) . It can be fun to try other extensions, and not fun to look for them, so i suggest you take a peak at the thread above.

IMO also, don't bother trying other browsers, they are based on IE. There are others based on Gecko engine (FF), but not as functional.

Firefox is safe, open source and portable.

chrome_sturmen
June 22nd, 2007, 12:47 PM
In my humble opinion, opera browser run through proxomitron web filter is an ideal config. What I like best about opera, is that it's nearly 100% configurable, you can move/add buttons and place them exactly where you want, enabling to tailor the browser for your specific surfing purposes. Notice in my screenshot, in the small search engine box with the demonoid icon, there in that drop down box there are about 30 different search engines that I set myself- all you need do, is to type or paste your search criteria, and click between the engines- very fast and useful for searching. Also the "find in page" search at the top of the browser window is great for cutting through peripheral information to get down to what youre looking for- all instances of your search term are highlighted within the page. Of course I configured it to suite my wants, you could configure it a totally different way to suite yours....

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n294/nachtvarg/Forum_Bilder/Wilders%20Security%20Forums/Operasnapshot-wilders06.jpg

Franklin
June 22nd, 2007, 12:49 PM
Um, sorry about that.

IMHO Firefox with the add ons Noscript and AdblockPlus are a very safe combination.
http://noscript.net/
http://adblockplus.org/en/

Then you could look at running any browser through Sandboxie for extra security.
http://www.sandboxie.com/

Then for ultimate security you could look at Returnil.
http://www.returnilvirtualsystem.com/index.htm

steve161
June 22nd, 2007, 12:51 PM
You may want to try K-Meleon. I found it very fast and light. If you add the security toolbar, you will be able to manage cookies, java, javascript, and java applets as you browse. I never had an instance of spyware while using it (although I can say the same thing for Firefox).

Bio-Hazard
June 22nd, 2007, 12:52 PM
Hello!

I would go with Firefox with No script,cookiesafe and adblock plus extensions. You cant go wrong with them. I like Firefox because i can set it up as how i like it. There are lot of nice extensions that you can add to it. I also have used Opera and i have to say it is faster than Firefox.

Kristian

the Tester
June 22nd, 2007, 01:35 PM
I prefer Opera.
Firefox is good.
If you want a basic browser,try K-Meleon.
Any of them are good choices.

zapjb
June 22nd, 2007, 01:59 PM
Opera. The fastest browser. And the slower your connection. The more noticable the speed difference between browsers.

And just recently for me anyways. Opera is the best in PCLinuxOS-2007 as well. In fact in PCLOS FF has all sorts of problems with extensions not working. Whereas Opera out of the box just works.

WSFuser
June 22nd, 2007, 02:25 PM
Firefox or Opera, whichever you may like better.

Mrkvonic
June 22nd, 2007, 02:46 PM
Hello,

Firefox is the best browser there is. Its extension support allows you to turn in almost into a spaceship. It has absolutely the greatest flexibility and customizability.

And unlike some sites where they are paid to praise MS and downplay alternatives, I can vouch - with a pint of my bluest blood - that Firefox has no exploitable holes. They exist - in theory - just like 11 dimensions in the String theory, or the negative temperature.

Firefox has had proof of concept exploits, which is equal to say that Big Bang has been simulated in a lab. To say nothing of the Noscript extension, which makes it darn impregnable.

Of course, this does not negate user mistakes, which are the 99% source of trouble ever always everywhere.

Second choice for Windows, Opera, most likely. Although you can try other Gecko-based browsers like K-Meleon, Sea Monkey.

Mrk

coolbluewater
June 22nd, 2007, 02:49 PM
{QUOTE-> Opera. The fastest browser. And the slower your connection. The more noticable the speed difference between browsers.

And just recently for me anyways. Opera is the best in PCLinuxOS-2007 as well. In fact in PCLOS FF has all sorts of problems with extensions not working. Whereas Opera out of the box just works. <-QUOTE}


Hello,

Although I haven't used PCLOS, I've used many different versions of Linux with FF + NoScript without issue.

@ the OP: Not sure where you read that FF isn't "spyware or malware free" but that's certainly not the case, as long as you download it from the official site.

zapjb
June 22nd, 2007, 03:23 PM
Ok this is getting on my nerves. My fault. I attach importance to this.

Opera is complete compared to Firefox.

FF takes like a dozen extensions to get anywhere near the functionality of Opera.

SirMalware
June 22nd, 2007, 03:36 PM
I've used Opera with Proxomitron for years. I can go places in the Internet that IE users only dream of.

chrome_sturmen
June 22nd, 2007, 03:47 PM
SirMalware:
{QUOTE-> I've used Opera with Proxomitron for years. I can go places in the Internet that IE users only dream of. <-QUOTE}

I reaffirm your interjection ;)

bellgamin
June 22nd, 2007, 03:49 PM
The answer to the topic's question is K-meleon (http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/).

It is VERY fast -- not just because I say so, but by actual test (http://www.numion.com/stopwatch/).

Riverrun
June 22nd, 2007, 04:08 PM
I moved to K-Melon two months ago. It's not that I dislike FF, and it's very safe, but I find that it's a real memory hog and it's way too slow. K-Melon is blindingly fast and allows one to configure it to specifications that I've found are as secure as any other browser that you would care to name.

coolbluewater
June 22nd, 2007, 05:01 PM
{QUOTE-> The answer to the topic's question is K-meleon (http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/). <-QUOTE}

Did you get the javascript issue in v1.1 resolved?

Durad
June 22nd, 2007, 06:16 PM
Im Opera user for more than 4 years now. Its really powerful when you become familliar with it.

I use it with linux as well.


There is like 5% of pages where you need IExplorer and I always submit these to Opera.

THat WAND password tool is amazing feature!

ccsito
June 22nd, 2007, 06:42 PM
10 years ago I would have said Netscape Navigator. How times have changed.:isay:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_browsers

ronjor
June 22nd, 2007, 06:47 PM
K-meleon is by far the fastest browser I have ever used on Windows. Plenty of privacy functions included as well.

rdsu
June 22nd, 2007, 06:53 PM
Just, Opera.

GES/POR
June 22nd, 2007, 07:26 PM
{QUOTE->

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_browsers <-QUOTE}

Camino anyone?

Does Opera run on mozilla engine?

ontopic: My history of browser use: serveral years of ie6, year or so firefox, several years of opera now and im liking netscape 2. Went back to firefox this week but once you go Opera it's hard getting back.

ccsito
June 22nd, 2007, 07:43 PM
Here is a link where IE, Firefox, and Opera were tested to compare RAM, startup time and disk usage.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1990855,00.asp

msmelle
June 22nd, 2007, 08:58 PM
wow........thank you all for your kind responses. Well the vote seems to be Firefox, Opera and K-meleon . Now I guess I'll have to try them to see which one I prefer. The only problem is that if I don't like one, I uninstall and then have a bunch of junk left in my clean newly formatted pc. Gee I wish I knew which of the 3 are best. I read all the posts and links. I'm still not sure..........Your votes are compelling. I'll have to sort it out I guess. :):):) If you have other comments to add, they are very much appreciated and thank you all for all your help. :):) Melle from Startrekland. :)

GES/POR
June 22nd, 2007, 09:01 PM
In that case most votes were for opera so no problem unless u make it one. Looks good,fast,secure,easy,handy,nice features such as memorized tabs,speeddial what else do u want.

theshadow247
June 22nd, 2007, 09:11 PM
my.vote is for opera.but after hearing how fast kmellon is i am trying it out and its very fast but i can't open layers with it i click a bookmark and it opens in the alraedy open tab.if i can find out how to open layers.i just mite start using it.more offten.rite now iam using open new layer button and then clicking the link i want to open there must be a better way?????

ronjor
June 22nd, 2007, 09:16 PM
Look under edit, advanced preferences. Layers are nothing more than tabs. There are many options in K-Meleon. I would take my time and explore. :D

msmelle
June 22nd, 2007, 09:19 PM
Thanks everyone. :) I can see that the tie is close between Firefox and Opera. Has anyone heard of Maxthon? What do you think of it? I'll be reading and looking and trying these out. :):) About Firefox, if it really needs all those extensions to work properly, how fast can it be? Melle :) PS" I'Ll also give K-meleon a try to see what's up with that. :)

rdsu
June 22nd, 2007, 09:22 PM
msmelle,

I used Maxthon since 2003 until February of 2006...
Since that, I'm using Opera and find it much better in all the aspects...

msmelle
June 22nd, 2007, 09:28 PM
:) I'm tempted to give Opera a try then. I did try it last year or the year before but I hadn't been much impressed over IE. Perhaps I'll give it another try. :) Thanks :) Melle :)

the Tester
June 22nd, 2007, 09:39 PM
FWIW,I have Opera,Firefox,and K-Meleon installed on my computer.
No problems/conflicts.

theshadow247
June 22nd, 2007, 09:44 PM
hi.ronjor.i have it set the same way but everything still opens in the same layer.onless i click new layer and then click the link.the version is 1.1.on the forum i read the same way to open layers but no luck for me...

ronjor
June 22nd, 2007, 09:51 PM
Go through each of the layers settings. You are using Version 1.1 right? :)

msmelle
June 22nd, 2007, 10:01 PM
Hi gang. I'm trying out Opera at the moment. Plain and simple and no widgets. I'll give it a try for awhile and then I'll see if I like it better than IE6. I don't like IE7 though. I guess it's the tabbed browsing thing I don't like much. Maybe cause I'm not use to it. Thanks :):) Melle

theshadow247
June 22nd, 2007, 10:19 PM
hi.ronjor.ya the version is 1.1.and my settings are the same as yours.but i still cant open a new layer after clicking on a link.i hope to work this out i really like this browser..

Tarnak
June 22nd, 2007, 10:22 PM
Operaaaaaaahh......just great!

ronjor
June 22nd, 2007, 10:23 PM
{QUOTE-> i still cant open a new layer <-QUOTE}Take your time. Trust me, it works. :D

Cerxes
June 22nd, 2007, 10:24 PM
I´m using Opera due to these reasons:

Secunia Vulnerability Report: Firefox 2.0.x (http://secunia.com/product/12434/?task=statistics)

Secunia Vulnerability Report: Opera 9.x (http://secunia.com/product/10615/?task=statistics)

/Cerxes.

theshadow247
June 22nd, 2007, 10:56 PM
thank.ronjor.i got the answer on the forum.Edit -> Advanced Preferences -> under Category ( left part of display ) click on K-Melon Plugins -> Click on Netscape Bookmarks -> Click on Bookmarks Menu ( right part of display ) -> click on In a new layer ( radio button rather then In the current layer ) -> Click on the Close button

You may do the same for IE Favorites and/or Opera Hotlist.it worked out.thanks for all the help.ronjor.

ronjor
June 22nd, 2007, 11:01 PM
Good to hear. :thumb:

bellgamin
June 22nd, 2007, 11:10 PM
{QUOTE-> The only problem is that if I don't like one, I uninstall and then have a bunch of junk left in my clean newly formatted pc. <-QUOTE} Couple of options...

A- Install & test in frozen state (DeepFreeze (http://www.faronics.com/))

OR

B- Monitor install of each program with Zsoft (http://www.zsoft.dk/). Then, when you are done testing a given program, uninstall it as follows...
1- Uninstall with ControlPanel > Add/Remove
2- Reboot
3- Uninstall again using Zsoft
4- Reboot -- that puppy is ALL gone!

OR

C- Image-then-test-then-restore using Image for DOS (IFD) (http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/image.html) {NOTE: There are choices vice IFD -- including but not limited to Rollback & FDISR}

the Tester
June 22nd, 2007, 11:17 PM
{QUOTE-> hi.ronjor.ya the version is 1.1.and my settings are the same as yours.but i still cant open a new layer after clicking on a link.i hope to work this out i really like this browser.. <-QUOTE}

It works here too.
You may have to shutdown K-Meleon than re-start it for it to work.
That's the way it worked for me.

msmelle
June 22nd, 2007, 11:19 PM
Hi and thanks for your reply. I've read and will be checking your links. :):) Melle :)

EASTER.2010
June 22nd, 2007, 11:20 PM
{QUOTE-> K-meleon is by far the fastest browser I have ever used on Windows. Plenty of privacy functions included as well. <-QUOTE}

I've seen this repeated many times and by members i know very well here. You happen to have a good direct link to this Browser ronjor?

I always used Opera when not running IE, which gets a lot of miles in spite of it's swiss cheese structure. LoL

mercurie
June 22nd, 2007, 11:21 PM
FireFox.

bellgamin suggested K-Melleon so I loaded that one up for about 18 months now. Indeed it is good too. :thumb:

ronjor
June 22nd, 2007, 11:25 PM
{QUOTE-> a good direct link to this Browser <-QUOTE}http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/

EASTER.2010
June 22nd, 2007, 11:50 PM
{QUOTE-> http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/ <-QUOTE}


Thanks

Installer on board and ready to deploy.

Bio-Hazard
June 23rd, 2007, 03:06 AM
Hello!

This is very intresting thread. I have also now downloaded K-meleon and will give it ago later today.

Kristian

Eldar
June 23rd, 2007, 05:26 AM
I've been using Opera since version 5 (paid) and this really will remain my main browser. It never changed, although I do use Firefox too. :D
A lot of FX extensions which makes browsing easier, more secure.

With Opera no extensions, since most of it is already built-in.

Both have their pro's & con's, but take your time to get to know those browsers, because you can't trial for a short period to make your judgement.
K-Meleon is nice too. :)

It's your choice to find the one you like best as your main browser, but at the same time you can use several without problems.

Take your pick. ;)

djg05
June 23rd, 2007, 09:26 AM
{QUOTE-> Hi gang. I'm trying out Opera at the moment. Plain and simple and no widgets. I'll give it a try for awhile and then I'll see if I like it better than IE6. I don't like IE7 though. I guess it's the tabbed browsing thing I don't like much. Maybe cause I'm not use to it. Thanks :):) Melle <-QUOTE}

I have spent years not committing to Opera the 6 months or so ago decided to make it my main browser. Now I find it just gets better and better. You do need to spend some days getting used to the way it functions.

Tabs are one of it strengths. You can leave a site in one tab and open another and so on and just go back to the other at the click of a mouse. I have had around a dozen tabs open without any problem. Unlike some browsers it will remember the last tab you were in. So clicking on the current will take you back to the last one you were in rather than going back in order across the screen.

Also like the way it handles bookmarks over the others.

You can set it to remember the its state on shut down so that on restart it will take all the tabs straight back to where you were.

Remember you can have all the browsers installed - they don't fight each other.

Hope you enjoy playing.

msmelle
June 23rd, 2007, 10:15 AM
Thanks again guys. I'll look into K-meleon as well. :):)

Also in Opera, when I click on a link to get here in my email, it will open up in my start page. not on the Wilder's forum page. I have a start page set up but I thought when I click on a link it would open up in that link????? Melle :)

ccsito
June 25th, 2007, 07:39 PM
{QUOTE-> Thanks again guys. I'll look into K-meleon as well. :):)

Also in Opera, when I click on a link to get here in my email, it will open up in my start page. not on the Wilder's forum page. I have a start page set up but I thought when I click on a link it would open up in that link????? Melle :) <-QUOTE}

I don't use Opera, but that is very unusual. When you point to the link, what does it say? Is it the home page URL or the Wilder's forum URL?

msmelle
June 25th, 2007, 08:11 PM
Hi. When I click on a link to get into ... let's say Wilder's forum, it opens up but my home page also opens up in a new tab. Opera is wierd for sure. I'm still debating whether or not it's quicker than IE6. What are you using for browser :):)

Melle

zapjb
June 25th, 2007, 08:18 PM
Ime the slower one's connection. The more noticeable the speed difference tween browsers.

ccsito
June 25th, 2007, 08:25 PM
Tabbed browsing is supposed to open a new window when you click on a link on the current window. So you should have both windows available. Are you saying that when you click, you get BOTH the Wilder's forum page and your home page OR only your home page? If it is the second part of the question, then the link before you click on it should say Wilder's and not something else (you can point to it). I haven't heard of a browser opening up a link that goes to your home page only.

As a point of reference, bankrate.com will open a new window when you click on one of the displayed ads. When I use IE on that website, the original window will display the advertiser's website (replacing the previous webpage) and another window opens with the Bankrate.com website. It is sort of confusing because I thought the new window should be the link to where I clicked, but it isn't. ???

I use IE 6 and Firefox 1.5 at the moment. 11 years ago, I used Netscape Navigator when I first went online. I only used IE when Netscape lost its user base due to MS bundling the browser to the Operating System. I started using Firefox last year when I got hit by a trojan and got a lot of pop up ads and decided to try another browser. Firefox is supposedly slower to start up than the other browsers, but I haven't noticed the delay myself (most likely because I have dialup).

ccsito
June 25th, 2007, 08:30 PM
{QUOTE-> Ime the slower one's connection. The more noticeable the speed difference tween browsers. <-QUOTE}

This may be true, but I think that the contents of the webpage (e.g., big graphic files) tend to NOTICEABLY slow down browsing speed more than anything else. :gack:

msmelle
June 25th, 2007, 09:37 PM
Thanks both for your replies. When I click in my email to go to your website or any other person's website, it will open BOTH tabs. My home page and the one to the site I'm going to. In this case, Wilders. But my page is on the left and you can see its tab, and the wilders tab is on the right (or the site page to where I'm going) and I can see its contents. Like right now, I clicked on the link in my emaili to get me to the post page and I can see the wiilders page (of course cause I'm writing on it) and I can also see a tab to my home page on the left. If I were to click on it, I would be able to see my page. www.searchmash.com (google's search engine).

Thanks for your reply. :)
Melle

Cerxes
June 25th, 2007, 09:59 PM
@msmelle: In Opera, go to "Tools/Preferences/Advanced/Network", there you can enable/disable automatic redirection. About the tabs, go to "Tools/Preferences/Advanced/Tabs", where you can check/uncheck the alternatives.

/Cerxes.

msmelle
June 25th, 2007, 11:02 PM
Thanks for your reply : I'll check it out. *live long and prosper*. hehe
lol

Melle :)

Rasheed187
July 1st, 2007, 09:32 AM
You know what´s so frustrating to me? Just like there is no perfect security tool, there also isn´t a perfect browser, I would really like to see all cool features from Maxthon/FF/Opera (Trident/Gecko/Presto) unified in one browser, but it just won´t happen I´m afraid. Sorry for this rant. ::)

Mrkvonic
July 1st, 2007, 10:31 AM
Hello,
Tell me one thing lacking in FF (with relevant extensions).
You can even have babies with FF!
Mrk

msmelle
July 1st, 2007, 02:46 PM
{QUOTE-> You know what´s so frustrating to me? Just like there is no perfect security tool, there also isn´t a perfect browser, I would really like to see all cool features from Maxthon/FF/Opera (Trident/Gecko/Presto) unified in one browser, but it just won´t happen I´m afraid. Sorry for this rant. ::) <-QUOTE}


hahahaha you are sooooo right my friend. Rant all you want cause I was thinking there is no perfect anything. lol.

Melle :)

msmelle
July 1st, 2007, 02:48 PM
{QUOTE-> Hello,
Tell me one thing lacking in FF (with relevant extensions).
You can even have babies with FF!
Mrk <-QUOTE}

lol. hehehe babies with FF? well I'm not sure if I'd go that far but for me, FF has so many extensions and adons that you have to add in order to get anywhere. I'm presently testing Opera but when my page doesn't open properly, I just copy and paste the link and open in good old IE 6 and it opens right up. I might give FF another try...... I'll see when I have time. :) Thanks for replying.

Melle :)

Rasheed187
July 1st, 2007, 03:39 PM
That´s exactly what I mean, some sites don´t render properly, so you have to keep switching between browser. I´m dreaming of the perfect browser with the best engine. And at the moment my favorite browser is still Maxthon (I prefer it over Opera and FF for certain reasons), but I really miss the "quick back/forward" and "fith to width" features from Opera, and I also miss the advanced FF extension system.

rdsu
July 1st, 2007, 03:48 PM
Some sites doesn't render properly mainly because of the current version of HTML, and when we have such a bad browser (IE) that doesn't respect the standards, we can aspect that web designers also doesn't respect the standards...

Currently we are seeing improvements on this area because web designers starts to add support to Firefox, by improving the quality of their web sites...

When IE really cares about the standards, we will see much less issues between the browser related of view web sites layout...

msmelle
July 1st, 2007, 05:12 PM
Thank you for your replies. As a matter of fact, I have just installed Maxthon and giving it a try. I heard good things about it too. I'll see what happens there. :) So far so good. I guess it's a matter of taste what browser does the best work. I guess we can only try them one by one and see which one fits our taste. :):)

Melle

GlobalForce
July 1st, 2007, 05:15 PM
Nice VC. ;) ALL good point's to have brought up - http://www.yourhtmlsource.com/starthere/browserreview.html

Steve

egghead
July 13th, 2007, 02:52 PM
I used to run Firefox but the latest version was sloooooow on my rig.

Decided to trial seamonkey and k-meleon. I have chosen K-meleon as my main browser: it is fast as lightning. Very impressive indeed. Love it. There is a sort of a learning curve with this browser.

Firefox is a very good browser though.

Firecat
July 13th, 2007, 07:59 PM
Well, those who use K-Meleon and try it should definitely give K-Ninja (http://www.geocities.com/grenleef) a try. I find it fast, leaner, slimmer and lighter than K-Meleon.....;)

gerardwil
July 13th, 2007, 08:47 PM
{QUOTE-> Well, those who use K-Meleon and try it should definitely give K-Ninja (http://www.geocities.com/grenleef) a try. I find it fast, leaner, slimmer and lighter than K-Meleon.....;) <-QUOTE}

Yep nice one :)

bigc73542
July 13th, 2007, 09:11 PM
Opera, hands down:thumb:

The Hammer
July 13th, 2007, 11:17 PM
A friend of mine is trialing the Safari beta and loves it. It apparently loads faster and looks better than anything, or so he tells me.

cheater87
July 13th, 2007, 11:34 PM
Firefox FTW!!!! With adblock plus and noscript.

the Tester
July 14th, 2007, 01:01 AM
{QUOTE-> Well, those who use K-Meleon and try it should definitely give K-Ninja (http://www.geocities.com/grenleef) a try. I find it fast, leaner, slimmer and lighter than K-Meleon.....;) <-QUOTE}

Thanks.
I'll take it for a test drive.

*Edit* K-Ninja is the fastest browser here on dialup!
It may end up replacing K-Meleon for me.First look is impressive.

Kerodo
July 14th, 2007, 03:49 PM
Is K-Ninja another Gecko based browser?

Firecat
July 14th, 2007, 05:23 PM
{QUOTE-> Is K-Ninja another Gecko based browser? <-QUOTE}
Yes, it is based on Gecko. :)

Huwge
July 14th, 2007, 06:25 PM
I was a stalwart IE user for years. Recently tried FF and love the No Script and AdblockPlus addons. I recommend other IE users take 'em for a test drive

tisungho
July 15th, 2007, 05:01 AM
Hi buddies,

After trying some browser, I have a following conclusion: (not so sure, any contribution is welcomed ;D )

Firefox:

- Pros: Secure (with Adblock, Noscript), fast, compatible with most of the webpages or programs like download managers...
- Cons:Memory hog, slow start-up

Opera:

- Pros: Secure (without extension), very fast (loading and start-up), customizable
- Cons: Incompatible with a lot of webpages, for example aol.com

K-Meleon:
- Pros: Very fast, very light, user-defined macros
- Cons: Engine incompalibility e.g, new Yahoo mail doesn't support k-meleon even though I set it as FF agent.

dylanfan
July 15th, 2007, 06:36 AM
{QUOTE-> Opera:
- Pros: Secure (without extension), very fast (loading and start-up), customizable
- Cons: Incompatible with a lot of webpages, for example aol.com
K-Meleon: <-QUOTE}
Hi... Could you be more specific about Opera rendering problems you're saying you're having with some sites?

dylanfan
July 15th, 2007, 06:37 AM
AOL seems to work rather well for me on Opera, so I don't see what you're talking about !?

tisungho
July 15th, 2007, 07:40 AM
{QUOTE-> AOL seems to work rather well for me on Opera, so I don't see what you're talking about !? <-QUOTE}

Maybe Opera/AOL developers has fixed the problem. Last month I used it, and I got AOL homepage displayed improperly in my Opera. I sent a feedback to Opera forum and they said that: (I copied the original words from them)

"This is due to CSS style sheet errors in the page code, from what I can tell. If the AOL developers had tested their site in Opera as well, they could have styled the page to show correctly in Opera as well.

For now, report it using Help > Report a site problem..."

You can check my post Here (http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=190723)

Regards,
Tisungho

tisungho
July 15th, 2007, 08:00 AM
Hi Dylanfan,

I just install Opera and test with AOL webpage. The problem still exists... :-[

Pedro
July 15th, 2007, 12:30 PM
Just some notes,
{QUOTE->
Firefox:

- Pros: Secure (with Adblock, Noscript), fast, compatible with most of the webpages or programs like download managers...
- Cons:Memory hog, slow start-up
<-QUOTE}
Not slow for me, faster than IE while browsing for sure. Besides more secure, and open, has better features (new features in IE are old news for FF and Opera), highly customizable.
{QUOTE->
Opera:

- Pros: Secure (without extension), very fast (loading and start-up), customizable
- Cons: Incompatible with a lot of webpages, for example aol.com
<-QUOTE}
Reversed: a lot of webpages are not well written. If you can, ban them. If you must use them, let them know their website is not good.
Same as FF, secure, full featured, customizable. Inovative.

For both, security issues, while not real life to begin with, are patched very fast.

tisungho
July 15th, 2007, 01:32 PM
Hi Pedro,

Could u tell me what OS u are using with FF? I heard that FF starts up fast in Linux

Pedro
July 15th, 2007, 02:09 PM
In between worlds ( i was going to use another phrase, but this raises no criticism :) ).
What i said above concerns Windows XP. Because IE is Windows only, the comparison is only valid in MS environment.

Kerodo
July 15th, 2007, 05:01 PM
{QUOTE-> Hi Pedro,

Could u tell me what OS u are using with FF? I heard that FF starts up fast in Linux <-QUOTE}
Firefox starts up much faster in every Linux distro I've ever used.. Don't know why, but startup in Win usually seems very slow.

CJsDad
July 15th, 2007, 05:23 PM
K-Meleon-

I'm starting to get the idea of this browser after using it and playing around with the settings for a couple of days.
This is definitely a browser I will use on my PC.

PhiloVance
July 16th, 2007, 05:39 PM
{QUOTE-> I've used Opera with Proxomitron for years. I can go places in the Internet that IE users only dream of. <-QUOTE}


For some reason this post cracked me up. I'll assume you've gotten this far, right?

http://www.shibumi.org/eoti.htm

Kerodo
July 16th, 2007, 07:45 PM
{QUOTE-> K-Meleon-

I'm starting to get the idea of this browser after using it and playing around with the settings for a couple of days.
This is definitely a browser I will use on my PC. <-QUOTE}
Yep, KM is very very fast. One of my favorites for Win...

dylanfan
July 17th, 2007, 10:16 AM
{QUOTE-> I just install Opera and test with AOL webpage. The problem still exists... :-[ <-QUOTE}
ctrl-F11 ('fit to width')

Rasheed187
July 18th, 2007, 01:03 PM
You know, it really makes me sick, I have just noticed that IE is using a lot of CPU time while scrolling certain pages, FF, Opera and IE6 do not have this problem, seems to be a major bug. What kind of amateurs are on the IE7 team? These are just a couple of examples, but it often happens on Wikipedia (scroll fast and check your CPU usage, IE7 scrolls very sluggish compared to other browsers. Edit: make sure you check out link number 3):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eredivisie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_191
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A3o_Paulo

Birdman
July 18th, 2007, 05:11 PM
{QUOTE-> Yep, KM is very very fast. One of my favorites for Win... <-QUOTE}

K-Meleon is very fast and smooth indeed. Do you guys just use the DEFAULT settings or do you TWEAK the settings for faster page loading?

Also does K-Meleon have a SPELL CHECK feature (like Firefox) that immediately identifies/underlines misspelled words as you type? If not, is there a plug-in for this?

twl845
July 18th, 2007, 09:25 PM
{QUOTE-> Hi Pedro,

Could u tell me what OS u are using with FF? I heard that FF starts up fast in Linux <-QUOTE}

FF takes 10 seconds to access after booting up. IE takes 4 seconds. The reason is because IE is embedded in Windows and is being accessed during boot up, where FF is not embedded and has to go through the entire startup when you access it. However, if you click off FF and click back on after a while during the same session, FF takes 4 seconds to access.;)

Kerodo
July 18th, 2007, 09:31 PM
{QUOTE-> You know, it really makes me sick, I have just noticed that IE is using a lot of CPU time while scrolling certain pages, FF, Opera and IE6 do not have this problem, seems to be a major bug. What kind of amateurs are on the IE7 team? These are just a couple of examples, but it often happens on Wikipedia (scroll fast and check your CPU usage, IE7 scrolls very sluggish compared to other browsers. Edit: make sure you check out link number 3):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eredivisie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_191
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A3o_Paulo <-QUOTE}
I've noticed the IE7 scrolling problem on many pages, sometimes even here on a long thread at Wilders.. most pages scroll ok, but there does seem to be a problem. Not sure what causes it though... And you're right, other browsers like Opera or K-Meleon don't do this at all.. one reason why I sometimes prefer the others...

Kerodo
July 18th, 2007, 09:32 PM
{QUOTE-> K-Meleon is very fast and smooth indeed. Do you guys just use the DEFAULT settings or do you TWEAK the settings for faster page loading?

Also does K-Meleon have a SPELL CHECK feature (like Firefox) that immediately identifies/underlines misspelled words as you type? If not, is there a plug-in for this? <-QUOTE}
Just use the default settings here.. seems to work fine for me. I'm not sure about your other question, probably best to ask in the official K-Meleon forums, you're sure to get a quick response...

CJsDad
July 19th, 2007, 06:54 PM
I tweaked K-Meleon, takes a little getting used to but its worth it and its really not all that hard to do once you work your way around the settings.

Kerodo
July 19th, 2007, 07:47 PM
I will have to look into it in more detail and experiment a little, I love KM also, it's the fastest browser I've used here. Seems to be quite good...

Birdman
July 19th, 2007, 09:45 PM
{QUOTE-> I tweaked K-Meleon, takes a little getting used to but its worth it and its really not all that hard to do once you work your way around the settings. <-QUOTE}

Can you please explain what you "tweaked" and what improvements (if any) you noticed.

I'm loving K-Meleon right now. The only thing I miss in Firefox is the "realtime" SPELL CHECKER.

Thanks.

twl845
July 19th, 2007, 09:55 PM
{QUOTE-> Can you please explain what you "tweaked" and what improvements (if any) you noticed.

I'm loving K-Meleon right now. The only thing I miss in Firefox is the "realtime" SPELL CHECKER.

Thanks. <-QUOTE}

There's a lot to miss in FF if you're not using it. :)

tlu
July 20th, 2007, 10:11 AM
{QUOTE-> - Pros: Secure (with Adblock, Noscript), <-QUOTE} Yes, but I recommend to add Secure Login - see https://blueimp.net/mozilla/Secure%20Login/