AppDefend v1.300 Alpha screenshots

[Jason_R0]

I have been moving over the new GUI code to the GSS code base, and it has been much easier than I thought. The new code certainly makes it very quick and uncomplicated to do things. Some of the benefits are now that there are no security holes in the method I am interacting with the user (unlike other products which are using standard controls). I can also display items in their full length without any restrictions (Microsoft listviews have an internal limit of 260 characters). Hackers can also no longer send windows messages to my GUI to control it, though I still need to cover mouse simulation events (on the todo). Finally, people will be able to manipulate the alert to make it look however they want, thanks to the new theming of the GUI.

In these screenshots you can simply see the Win95 emulation layer of the GUI, I haven't made a custom one for it yet. I also haven't converted gss.exe yet, only the ask user dialog. I have fixed a few bugs from 1.200 alpha that were causing some people to have constant crashes, so I will probably be releasing a public alpha of just the new alert dialog to see if those crashes are fixed for those people. That will include some changes to the driver also, such as keylogging detection.

http://www.ghostsecurity.com/images/adnew01.jpg

http://www.ghostsecurity.com/images/adnew02.jpg

[WSFuser]

Its good to see youre working on AppDefend (and GSS). I cant wait to see a beta or the final.

[berng]

You're finally keeping us informed. Good. Being informed does tend to keep us happy.

I hope your good progress keeps up.

So, we're dying to get our hands on the beta or RC.

[SystemJunkie]

Cool, I am keen of testing it on my infiltrated system, comodo alpha resisted maximum of three days, GSS 1.2 alpha was attacked in ruleset files (it was no more able to read several rules, seems so) and finally disabled by this unknown monster. I am looking forward hearing more news.

[martosurf]

-{ Quote: "Cool, I am keen of testing it on my infiltrated system, comodo alpha resisted maximum of three days, GSS 1.2 alpha was attacked in ruleset files (it was no more able to read several rules, seems so) and finally disabled by this unknown monster. I am looking forward hearing more news." }-

Hi SystemJunkie!
I'm very interested in the tactics, technic and application you use to hack (test) your system.
Can you name them please, along with the url to download them? I wish to try my own system how far secure it is.

Thanx in advance!

[Jason_R0]

There is going to be a public alpha test within a week. This will also include the new RegDefend (from boot). So far everything is flowing very smoothly transitioning the new code in and upgrading RD to the new code base. Most (all) of the issues people had previously with the alpha should be solved.

Moving most of the program now to the kernel level has really made it quite secure, and opened up a lot of doors in regards to what is possible for security on the PC. It is certainly going to be interesting over the coming months. :)

[Meriadoc]

looking forward to having a look, thanks.

[sentry42]

Great news Jason! Can't wait... :thumb:

[SystemJunkie]

Some old 1.2 Alpha screens, probably still this rootkit, I am not sure, never seen this, look:

http://i17.tinypic.com/4q3dnyw.png

http://i14.tinypic.com/6ccqkip.png

[Jazcat]

Jason are you re-introducing the block read memory process into this version? If not can you please please consider it, i'm desperately waiting for it so I can replace my out of date buggy ProcessGuard.

[andylau]

Hi Jason,

I want to ask when will have beta or RC version released?

We have waited for your great apps for a long time;D

[Optimist]

-{ Quote: "Hi Jason,

I want to ask when will have beta or RC version released?

We have waited for your great apps for a long time;D" }-



Please be still patient for some years. :thumbd:

[SystemJunkie]

Good things need time, software development is from such complexity and diversity that one might think that one life by far isn´t enough.

[Optimist]

-{ Quote: "Good things need time, software development is from such complexity and diversity that one might think that one life by far isn´t enough." }-

I will bequeath the licence to my grandchildren ......

[Don Pelotas]

-{ Quote: "I will bequeath the licence to my grandchildren ......" }-
Spoken like a true.........Optimist! ;D ;)

[TheQuest]

Hi, Optimist

-{ Quote: "I will bequeath the licence to my grandchildren ......" }-
I am led to believe it is not transferable :o ;D

Take Care,
TheQuest 8)

[SystemJunkie]

-{ Quote: "Jason are you re-introducing the block read memory process into this version? If not can you please please consider it, i'm desperately waiting for it so I can replace my out of date buggy ProcessGuard." }-

Buggy process guard?

-{ Quote: "I will bequeath the licence to my grandchildren ......" }-

;D ;D

[berng]

-{ Quote: "There is going to be a public alpha test within a week." }-
Its been two weeks now.

[Mongol]

-{ Quote: "Its been two weeks now." }-

Going on over three weeks now, we're right on schedule once again...:blink: :o :D

[Jason_R0]

There is going to be a few more days delay on it due to some problems that have appeared on some machines. As I have said many times before, my estimates are just that estimates, not set in stone. :)

[berng]

-{ Quote: "There is going to be a few more days delay on it due to some problems that have appeared on some machines. As I have said many times before, my estimates are just that estimates, not set in stone. :)" }-
Not a problem. I posted because I was curious about the delay.

Creating a "better" product is good even when there are delays. :)

Timely and informative communication is also good.

[Hillsboro]

-{ Quote: "There is going to be a few more days delay on it due to some problems that have appeared on some machines. As I have said many times before, my estimates are just that estimates, not set in stone. :)" }-

The best you can come-up with are screen shots after how many months? Hmmm who was it that said it...? P.T. Barnum if I recall correctly... anyway...

Suffice it to say, spoke like a true DCS protégé. You have had my money for almost 2 years now... I hope you invested it well. Do you really think anyone takes you seriously any longer Jason, other than the few that hang on in a delusional state?

[Optimist]

-{ Quote: "

Suffice it to say, spoke like a true DCS protégé. You have had my money for almost 2 years now... I hope you invested it well. Do you really think anyone takes you seriously any longer Jason, other than the few that hang on in a delusional state?" }-


It is beautiful if one can have his hobby financed for himself of trusting customers! :thumbd:

[BILL G]

Why is there no time to do it Right the First Time? But lots of time to Redo it later.

What is Worth while is worth waiting for.

[Optimist]

-{ Quote: "Why is there no time to do it Right the First Time? But lots of time to Redo it later.

What is Worth while is worth waiting for." }-


... . because the life expectancy of a man is restricted!

[Rodehard]

-{ Quote: "... . because the life expectancy of a man is restricted!" }-
I usually just pass on by but, thought I would drop a comment just this once. I too paid (for whatever beta version it was then) on faith to support a product I deemed promising. For almost a year I eagerly checked the forum each morning as part of my routine. Its now fairly obvious that I have been, as they say, ripped off. I still check the forum everyday but not for Ghost updates. I no longer have faith in the product or developer and would not install the product even if it came out this year or next, or next, or next. As far as Im concerned Wilders should close the Ghost Security forum as it did Diamond for pretty much the same reasons.

[MsFluffyMuffin]

Like Rodehard, I feel the same, Jason has totally lost the plot when it comes to public or customer relation's, he make's broken promise's, he fob's us all off with screenshot's and lil' toys, the reality is he's just playing or buying time for himself for whatever reason that is, I guess most of us have stopped caring or wondering why!

Oh god who care's anymore, I used to really like Jason and Ghost Security software, but I have moved on and don't really care either, someone at Wilders should close these forum's down and archive them, what's the point in them anymore, the only *real* support for Jason's product's are coming from the user's, as great as this is the user's can't keep up development only support each other.

I total love and respect all the user's here, people here are amazing and wonderful bunch, but I no longer like or respect Jason, he's stopped caring and respecting us all, so why should we support him by buying his crapware >:(

Sorry Jason, but oneday you will look around in here and it will be empty and silent, I really hope you will be happy and pleased with yourself, with what you have achieved, but you know what? no one else will care one bit and you will be alone in here, I just hope your good at other stuff, because you won't be getting a penny, cent or whatever for your creation's, yeah whatever, who care's :P

[starfish_001]

Indeed - just removed the last copy of GS from my machines - procsecurity has been developed and then overtaken GS in the period since the last update real

[MsFluffyMuffin]

@ starfish_001: Do you mean ProSecurity? I haven't yet tried this one, is this any good?? I have seen a HIPS comparison and test that put it at #1 , maybe I will give this one a go, thanks starfish_001 :thumb:

Fluffy oxo

[starfish_001]

-{ Quote: "@ starfish_001: Do you mean ProSecurity? I haven't yet tried this one, is this any good?? I have seen a HIPS comparison and test that put it at #1 , maybe I will give this one a go, thanks starfish_001 :thumb:

Fluffy oxo" }-


I would say that it is now a 2 horse race SSM or prosecurity. Appdefend and Regdefend are not as robust in the current form

I have tested PS from ealry beta I'd say it is very good. Review here http://wiki.castlecops.com/Prosecurity


Until recently I'd had always liked SSM better but version 1.3 is very good.
I have changed over to PS on my main machine full time

[MsFluffyMuffin]

Thanks starfish_001 for the link and info :thumb: , I have just downloaded the trial and going to give this a try, sound's really good to me, I can't wait to give it a test drive ;D

I think your right about it being a 2 horse race, I use to use SSM in the early days (maxcomputing) , but switched to Processguard, and then to AppDefend, but I have on and off thought about switching back to SSM, it's improved so much over the years, I guess I just liked AppDefend's ease of use and interface, but now it's time to move on, and ProSecurity look's like it might be what I'am looking for, so thanks again for the link and information :thumb:

Fluffy oxo

[Hillsboro]

-{ Quote: "I usually just pass on by but, thought I would drop a comment just this once. I too paid (for whatever beta version it was then) on faith to support a product I deemed promising. For almost a year I eagerly checked the forum each morning as part of my routine. Its now fairly obvious that I have been, as they say, ripped off. I still check the forum everyday but not for Ghost updates. I no longer have faith in the product or developer and would not install the product even if it came out this year or next, or next, or next. As far as Im concerned Wilders should close the Ghost Security forum as it did Diamond for pretty much the same reasons." }-

I PM'd Paul about this last spring... that it was time to get rid of Jason and his ongoing scam. I think if enough of us PM Paul he might decide to send Ghost Security packing...

The name Ghost Security is rather apro pos. A ghost is something intangible... Maybe it was Jason having a bit of sport with all of us suckers... his cute play on words... time for Ghost Busters to be called to exorcise Jason from Wilders so no other trusting people get buggered Aussie style by him.

[Hillsboro]

-{ Quote: "Thanks starfish_001 for the link and info :thumb: , I have just downloaded the trial and going to give this a try, sound's really good to me, I can't wait to give it a test drive ;D

I think your right about it being a 2 horse race, I use to use SSM in the early days (maxcomputing) , but switched to Processguard, and then to AppDefend, but I have on and off thought about switching back to SSM, it's improved so much over the years, I guess I just liked AppDefend's ease of use and interface, but now it's time to move on, and ProSecurity look's like it might be what I'am looking for, so thanks again for the link and information :thumb:

Fluffy oxo" }-

I use SSM... but there haven't been any updates in about 4 months and I don't no if it is going to be let go... Prosecurity seems to be actively developed still. SSM it so far ahead of AD and RD.

[Rodehard]

-{ Quote: "I PM'd Paul about this last spring... that it was time to get rid of Jason and his ongoing scam. I think if enough of us PM Paul he might decide to send Ghost Security packing...

The name Ghost Security is rather apro pos. A ghost is something intangible... Maybe it was Jason having a bit of sport with all of us suckers... his cute play on words... time for Ghost Busters to be called to exorcise Jason from Wilders so no other trusting people get buggered Aussie style by him." }-

Good idea but then I would have to admit to not knowing his nick. Dust off the FAQs I guess and figure it out.

[MsFluffyMuffin]

Yeah, that sound's like a really great idea, so does anyone know Paul's nick so we can all PM him ?

What I kinda find interesting is this, where is Jason, not one comment from him, oh wait I know where he is, he's probably off paint brushing a few more screenshot's in Photoshop, either that or creating the next toy, what's it this time Jason, anothertoytobuytime v0.1 alpha , maybe a few more lil' cute ghost's pasted into the graphics will make us forget we have been suckered ::)

In the mean time I have been giving ProSecurity a test drive, and considering giving Online Armor a spin, feel's so good to move on from Jason, my only concern is to help prevent anyone else being suckered in to buying GS crapware!

[lu_chin]

I enjoyed reading things here at Wilders and I had also learnt some lessons from doing so. I was also one of the paid GSS "forever" beta customers. Since then I had been looking at other security products and I was a beta tester for some. The important lesson for me will be in future if there is some beta software which holds promises I will not chip in any money for it. Instead, I will try to join the beta testing team and contribute my time to make the final product better and maybe get a discount or even a free license for the final version. I think it is a more logical choice.

[topmoxie]

Well you would think that after Jason has spent this long on this product he would want to finish it, perhaps he has too many irons in the fire and lost his focus, bear in mind Ghost Security rates high, but I for one am moving on, I dont believe he is working on or even cares about this anymore, I would warn everyone to not purchase this product

[marcus_mac]

Pro Security are offering a 35% license discount to migrate over from a competing product.

[Hillsboro]

-{ Quote: "Yeah, that sound's like a really great idea, so does anyone know Paul's nick so we can all PM him ?
" }-

Paul's nick is: Paul Wilders

[Hillsboro]

-{ Quote: "Well you would think that after Jason has spent this long on this product he would want to finish it, perhaps he has too many irons in the fire and lost his focus, bear in mind Ghost Security rates high, but I for one am moving on, I dont believe he is working on or even cares about this anymore, I would warn everyone to not purchase this product" }-

Absolutely right, I think he is milking it for every last euro/dollar he can until he gets binned here. I sent just emails to Visa/Mastercard International and asked them to open an investigation (I should have done it long ago) and put a hold on his ability to run credit card transactions based on two years of deceptive advertising and failure to deliver a finished product in a timely manner. His prices are over the top too. 39.95usd... I was dumb, and can't do anything about it now, but I can try to keep some other people from paying for what is vapor-ware...

It really bothers me that Paul has let this go on much too long too. Maybe he is trying to give Jason time... but there has to be a limit given he is collecting money from people... if it was free alpha's or beta's he was dragging on there wouldn't be a cause for complaint...

[MsFluffyMuffin]

@ marcus_mac: Thanks for sharing that bit of info with us all, 35% sound's like a great and tempting offer ;D

@ Hillsboro: Hey thanks for looking that up and letting everyone know, I'am going to PM him tomorrow, I'am kinda tired and it's time for me to hit the hay!

Please please please can more people PM Paul, the more that PM him the more chance of Paul taking action :)

[marcus_mac]

-{ Quote: "@ marcus_mac: Thanks for sharing that bit of info with us all, 35% sound's like a great and tempting offer ;D

@ Hillsboro: Hey thanks for looking that up and letting everyone know, I'am going to PM him tomorrow, I'am kinda tired and it's time for me to hit the hay!

Please please please can more people PM Paul, the more that PM him the more chance of Paul taking action :)" }-

Hey you're welcome the link is: http://www.proactive-hips.com/discount.php - theyre also offering a 30% discount if you recommend the product online or submit an unknown bug to them. I traded in my Process Guard license.

I personally have lost patience waiting how many months (?).. despite being a big enough fan of Jason's work - I have paid up licenses of all the DCS and Ghost products. I've probably paid for a wing mirror on a Ferrari by now I feel. In my own personal opinion it seems like when DCS split up, it clearly impacted Ghost's ability to cope with the workload of developing and supporting the products as quicklly (ahem) as we need and this is the result. Maybe he'll prove us all wrong one day. But right now its a dangerous world and I aint that patient ha ha!!

I think 35% discount is a bargain for PS, I got an unlimited home license for £20 and it has thrashed AD in most tests, also includes a Reg Defend capability. It feels very secure in use and has most of the AD wish list options built in - keylogging protection, install modes. I hope to see AD challenging it when completed but until then it's PS for me..

Some light at the end of the tunnel for all us disgruntled paid up over trustworthy Beta users.

I just hope this will galvanise some action from the Ghost team.

[Don Pelotas]

Personally i would rather wait a further 2-4 weeks to see what the new beta brings before i buy chinese program.....30% discount or not, that i know very little about.

Yes, i'm as critical as anyone else and maybe sometimes even a bit too much, but i honestly hope Paul won't take the Ghost section down just yet. I simply do not think it's a scam or anything like it from Jason's side, i have a pretty good idea why everything hasn't transpired like we all would have like it to......those of us who found Appdefend interesting enough to buy a license even before it was close to a release.

So i'll wait to see what happens and i'm actually still very interested to see what it is like the new beta...................................believe it or not. :)

[MsFluffyMuffin]

Well, I think the truth is Don, that most if not virtually all here don't really believe that there will be a new release in the next 2-4 years (or centuries...haha) , so 2-4 week's ? I and other's just don't or can't see it to be honest, but I admire and respect you for what you believe and say, your a really great person, million time's better then most of us feel Jason deserves right now, but I personally can't keep investing time and emotion's into something that will probably never happen, either way I respect you and the other's like you Don, nice to have you here at Wilder's :thumb:

Hmmm....well another day has passed and not a word from Jason, no comment's , screenshot's or new lil' toy's for us to play with, either he's dead, on holiday, busy reading a book or just doesn't care any more, I guess I was hoping for something, even an angry comment telling us to shut and stop whining, geesh...I don't know what I expected or wanted, but totally silence, crap, I'm off to PM Paul, the total lack of interest, caring and defence on Jason's part has swung it for me >:(

not so fluffy today :'(

[Pedro]

Personally, i'm new to all this. But i expect a release this year at least, i can't imagine anyone saying what Jason says without wanting to complete the program.
My guess is he keeps bouncing on Windows uncharted territory, or Vista got in the way, etc..

For all others who are new too, lets leave it alone.

[Peter2150]

-{ Quote: "Personally i would rather wait a further 2-4 weeks to see what the new beta brings before i buy chinese program.....30% discount or not, that i know very little about.

Yes, i'm as critical as anyone else and maybe sometimes even a bit too much, but i honestly hope Paul won't take the Ghost section down just yet. I simply do not think it's a scam or anything like it from Jason's side, i have a pretty good idea why everything hasn't transpired like we all would have like it to......those of us who found Appdefend interesting enough to buy a license even before it was close to a release.

So i'll wait to see what happens and i'm actually still very interested to see what it is like the new beta...................................believe it or not. :)" }-

Hi Don

Not sure that is a totally fair assesment about ProSecurity. I mean after Kaspersky is Russian, and someone could say the same thing. That wouldn't be fair either.

I honestly felt the same way about ProSec as you did at first, but then based on a recommendation I gave it a try, and ended up buying a site license. Protection wise it does very well, and in terms of installing itself, and other software, and the hassles involved, frankly it is just about tops.

I also agree with your assesment about Jason. Definitely not a scam, and there are indeed "other" factors, but the bottom line is if you are going to take money for software, you do have a certain responsibility, and he is falling way short.

Cheers,

Pete

[Don Pelotas]

-{ Quote: "Hi Don

Not sure that is a totally fair assesment about ProSecurity. I mean after Kaspersky is Russian, and someone could say the same thing. That wouldn't be fair either.

I honestly felt the same way about ProSec as you did at first, but then based on a recommendation I gave it a try, and ended up buying a site license. Protection wise it does very well, and in terms of installing itself, and other software, and the hassles involved, frankly it is just about tops.

I also agree with your assesment about Jason. Definitely not a scam, and there are indeed "other" factors, but the bottom line is if you are going to take money for software, you do have a certain responsibility, and he is falling way short.

Cheers,

Pete" }-
...........................................and you don't have to agree! I'm just trying to say it's a strange thing to jump into a thread in what is a vendor forum under the perhaps difficult circumstances and recommend a competing program of little known origin which btw might be gone in 1-2 years too, it may be good or it may not be good, but that wasn't my point. My point was that this is the Ghost security forum. :)

[puff-m-d]

Don and Peter,

I agree with both of your comments above. I think the main issue here is voluntarily paying for beta software assuming a final product would be released soon. I, for one, have both alpha and beta tested the Ghost Security products and think they all have very promising potential. The quality of Jason's alpha and beta releases rival many competitors final versions and I do eagerly await further releases. I chose not to pay (purchase) up front for the software (mainly because of my monetary situations here) but by no means default those that did. That was a decision each one of us had to make. I do realize the frustration that one may feel after parting with money and the communication on Jason's end has almost become nil except for a rare occasional update.

I also do not believe in any way that Jason is scamming us or that that is his intentions. None of knows what may or may not be going on Jason's private life whether it be personal or professional. He may have very good reason as to why these periods of silence from him have occurred. I for one am totally willing to wait to hear whatever the status is from Jason before I decide to "jump ship". I honestly believe that Jason will be around and continue to develop his software after he overcomes whatever is causing the slow progress at the moment. Only time will tell.

I think it would be a mistake to close the Ghost Security forums until an educated well-informed decision can be made as to the status. Everything so far is pure speculation and I would not like to see these parts of these forums closed on on this speculation.

-{ Quote: "I'm just trying to say it's a strange thing to jump into a thread in what is a vendor forum under the perhaps difficult circumstances and recommend a competing program of little known origin which BTW might be gone in 1-2 years too, it may be good or it may not be good, but that wasn't my point. My point was that this is the Ghost security forum. :)" }-
I definitely agree here that the recommendation and discussion of competing products is totally off topic and definitely does not belong here in the Ghost Security forum. Actually, I am a bit surprised that a moderator has not jumped in on this issue as Wilders usually has a reputation for keeping threads on-topic and posted in there appropriate forums.

This has just been my thoughts and two cents worth on this issue.

[Hillsboro]

-{ Quote: "Personally i would rather wait a further 2-4 weeks to see what the new beta brings before i buy chinese program.....30% discount or not, that i know very little about.

Yes, i'm as critical as anyone else and maybe sometimes even a bit too much, but i honestly hope Paul won't take the Ghost section down just yet. I simply do not think it's a scam or anything like it from Jason's side, i have a pretty good idea why everything hasn't transpired like we all would have like it to......those of us who found Appdefend interesting enough to buy a license even before it was close to a release.

So i'll wait to see what happens and i'm actually still very interested to see what it is like the new beta...................................believe it or not. :)" }-

I have to disagree with you... The biggest issue here is Jason persistent lack of timely communications... Actually none other than empty promises... He sets release time windows (next week, next month) and misses then and never says a word here. Screen shots... is all we get... he doesn't respond to customers emails... Sorry Don, but I hope Paul brings an end to this... that or Jason stops asking for money to support his cause... no nag screens, no Credit Card POS link.

You want to see Paul give him more time and a few months back you were saying the the same as many of us now... when Jason made his last "release soon announcement that went nowhere just as the one a month ago did that was suppose to be a week.

As far as people recommending other software here I have seen that done all the other support sites here too. Wilders is an open forum... not a company run support site such as Kaspersky's. And what does Prosecurity being a Chinese program have to do with anything? That is like me saying SSM is Russian program... So?

I mentioned Aussie in one of my comments in the context that Jason was from DCS and we all know what happened to DCS here and the that history has shown, Jason has taken the same path as DCS... A history that Jason has written himself. DCS buggered a lot of people and Jason is doing the same, not by what any of his detractors have said... but by what he has done... all someone has to do is read what Jason has said then look at what he has delivered.

[Don Pelotas]

-{ Quote: "I have to disagree with you...." }-
Fair enough.

Yes, i have ranted about this and frankly got it out of my system. I don't see any rules prohibiting me from moving on and see things in a slightly different light now than i did say 6-12 months ago. The simple fact is that i do not want to kick someone possibly on the way down, it means just that....i don't want to, nothing more nothing less. It doesn't mean i'm not frustrated, critical or agree with much said regarding the information level........regarding the so far nowhere to be seen release of the product i bought over a year ago......because i am/i do, but it's out of my system.

I'm pretty sure that Eset/ewido/AVG/Acronis which has their official forum here too wouldn't allow recommendations to jump ship to another program offering discounts in a situation similar to this one even if their official forums are hosted in a forum which also has open sections also. To me recommending buying the next hyped program with an equally unpredictable future just because we're pissed that nothing is happening right now regarding AppDefend seems like overreacting.

Call me crazy, but i think the next AD beta will be out in the next 2-3 weeks..................it's just a hunch of course and perhaps i'm too optimistic, but thats what i think.

[Jason_R0]

-{ Quote: "I have to disagree with you... The biggest issue here is Jason persistent lack of timely communications... Actually none other than empty promises... He sets release time windows (next week, next month) and misses then and never says a word here. Screen shots... is all we get..." }-

Well as most programmers would tell you, estimating release dates is very tricky as unexpected things come up, when you are writing code at the kernel level and doing more R&D than actual coding it is even worse. Most companies do not give release dates for this reason, however I think it's good to at least give my estimate as long as it's in the knowledge it can change.

I am one of only a few still doing extremely low level coding in ALL aspects of what I do, and that also takes more time and makes estimation trickier. When other companies are moving to DELPHI, .NET or other bloatware solutions to ease their development time I instead spent a few months to write a low level competitor to that which pushed back the release date but also gives my software an advantage.


-{ Quote: "I mentioned Aussie in one of my comments in the context that Jason was from DCS and we all know what happened to DCS here and the that history has shown, Jason has taken the same path as DCS... A history that Jason has written himself. DCS buggered a lot of people and Jason is doing the same, not by what any of his detractors have said... but by what he has done... all someone has to do is read what Jason has said then look at what he has delivered." }-

7+ products (not including updates) over 3 years isn't too bad an output in my opinion. I can certainly understand the frustration about AppDefend since it has been in ALPHA for so long now, but a lot (not all) of the reasons for that were out of my control. But as can be seen by the recent releases (GhostShell) plus the release of the screenshots and estimates for AD/RD, I am serious about updating the public more on the developments as they occur.

Until there is a final non alpha release of AppDefend though I can certainly understand the frustrations/anger that some people have, but I am doing my best to make sure that it is as quick as possible.

[MsFluffyMuffin]

Well, firstly thank's for responding, at least we know your still there, but you still seem to be missing the point Jason, it's not just about release date's that come and go, it's not about Ghostwall or Ghostshell and the fact people feel your playing for time!

Hello...Earth to Jason, we are upset about the total lack of *REAL* communication from you, I mean, where is AppDefend in the scheme of thing's, is it half way finished?, almost finished?, what are you working and why is it taking time? , these and other fact's we all need to know, but you have cut us off and we all feel frustrated >:(

So telling us this "I am serious about updating the public more on the developments as they occur." is total meaningless, as you have failed to do this over and over, we don't trust you or believe anymore, personally it's all very nice what you said, but your never going to back it up, oh...sure you will keep it up for a lil' while, but eventually it will fade like everything else you have said and done, we need action that is backed up, or in another words, you need to put your money where your mouth is, which you have up to this point been so wonderful at...haven't you ::)

Maybe you need to spend less time in the kernel, and more time with your paying customers, I mean we aren't asking for all the time in the world, just enough time to answer support question's , or to fill us in on how's the development is going, we aren't asking for the source code for Christ sake, just to be filled in on where your at in the scheme of thing's, geez, is that so much to ask for Jason, but it seems so :(

Fluffy

[Dogbiscuit]

Other than bitterly complaining, what's your point? If you can't stand the heat (of a one man operation), then get out of the proverbial kitchen. Why stick around and complain if this doesn't meet your needs? ???

Sorry to be so blunt, but...

[Eldar]

Better have a good product which works flawlessly on all systems then rush it out and having to fix those bugs afterwards. :-\
BTW Responding here continuesly means time taken away from further development.
Keep up the good work Jason. :thumb:

[Hillsboro]

-{ Quote: "Other than bitterly complaining, what's your point? If you can't stand the heat (of a one man operation), then get out of the proverbial kitchen. Why stick around and complain if this doesn't meet your needs? ???

Sorry to be so blunt, but..." }-

If your message was to me:

My point is: I paid 80.00usd based on a promise of a finished product... that was over 2 years ago. I was also one of the people left holding the bag by DCS... I complain to make others aware of what is going on... those who may be thinking of making the same stupid move that I did...

It is also about Jason not keeping his customer base informed. The people who paid as I did... the people who supported his development of RD and AD so he could pay bills, eat, have a roof over his head... So yes, I have every right to complain. I paid for something I never got.

BTW did you buy RD and AD?

[Hillsboro]

-{ Quote: "Better have a good product which works flawlessly on all systems then rush it out and having to fix those bugs afterwards. :-\
BTW Responding here continuesly means time taken away from further development.
Keep up the good work Jason. :thumb:" }-

As far as Jason taking time away from development by keeping us informed in a timely manner... a minute is not going to throw his development time-line out the window. Besides, it is a moot point given that Jason does not do that anyway... Other developers keep their customers informed... collectively we are investors in Jason's enterprise... we are entitled to some answers... it is our money, after all, that permitted him to work on this at his leisure. It was also a matter of trust... I supported Jason because I trusted him...

And last... It is a matter of principle too. It is a matter of doing the right thing... you ask for people to support your efforts financially and you have an obligation based on that... My, what a novel concept... It is called business ethics, another novel concept...

[Hillsboro]

-{ Quote: "




7+ products (not including updates) over 3 years isn't too bad an output in my opinion. I can certainly understand the frustration about AppDefend since it has been in ALPHA for so long now, but a lot (not all) of the reasons for that were out of my control. But as can be seen by the recent releases (GhostShell) plus the release of the screenshots and estimates for AD/RD, I am serious about updating the public more on the developments as they occur.

Until there is a final non alpha release of AppDefend though I can certainly understand the frustrations/anger that some people have, but I am doing my best to make sure that it is as quick as possible." }-

Jason, This isn't about seven other products... this is about AD/RD, the products we paid you to develop based on your asking for support and your promises... As I pointed out to another poster... this is about the people who helped pay your bills... US... and what we got in return... Ghostshell, isn't what we paid for, and pointing to it is nothing but obfuscation of the really issue here. You took peoples money, you are obligated to deliver what you promised in a timely manner... Why were you working on Ghostshell when you should have been working on AD/RD? that was what we invested in... not Ghostshell... your using that as an example of your diligence only serves to refute that claim...

[Optimist]

-{ Quote: "Jason, This isn't about seven other products... this is about AD/RD, the products we paid you to develop based on your asking for support and your promises... As I pointed out to another poster... this is about the people who helped pay your bills... US... and what we got in return... Ghostshell, isn't what we paid for, and pointing to it is nothing but obfuscation of the really issue here. You took peoples money, you are obligated to deliver what you promised in a timely manner... Why were you working on Ghostshell when you should have been working on AD/RD? that was what we invested in... not Ghostshell... your using that as an example of your diligence only serves to refute that claim..." }-

I agree!

[Rodehard]

-{ Quote: "I agree!" }-

Here as well! Put up or shut up!

[turion]

What's the point to keep complaining over and over and i mean Hillsboro and MsFluffyMuffin. You made your point very clear, does the whole world constantly need to know you guys are frustrated :wacko:
So you guys paid a license for the product and the prediction of the release date isn't what you expected from Jason. You guys got your reasons to be disappointed and already screaming to switch to other products. So why continue spamming the forum? Are you trying to force Jason to release his product asap? Would you be happy using a tool which isn't protecting your system fully as it should be? Many customers complain about MS products because MS often failed to deliver software without security holes.

I think it's useless to spam this forum 8) and get a life will ya

[Dogbiscuit]

-{ Quote: "So yes, I have every right to complain. I paid for something I never got.

BTW did you buy RD and AD?" }-

No, I did not pay for software (AppDefend) that Jason was giving away free. ::)

[MsFluffyMuffin]

@ Jason: Here's what I feel you need to do to improve :-


1). Better communication with your customers.

2). 6 monthly major software releases, with builds in between to fix any bugs etc...

3). Drop the lifetime licence, make AppDefend etc... subscription based, say every year or two.

4). Give us all a free laptop...haha.....just kidding on this one ;D


Anyhow thats what I feel, and I don't care what anyone else thinks :P

Fluffy

[MsFluffyMuffin]

Since this thread was originally about the latest screenshots, does anyone have any images of the network protection, or at least know if it has good rules based out bound protection, sorry just curious about the latest developments with AD , I'm not ready to test the Alpha out, a Beta build for sure 8)

Basically I still really like AD & RD, the interface is brilliant, so is the layout of the alerts, nothing even comes close to AD or RD for that, Jason has done a wonderful job on them, I guess that's one of the main reasons I got mad with him, I really like GSS so much, I would like to continue using Jason's software, I just wish he could be more communicative with us, that's all!

Fluffy

[farmerlee]

The network control in the most recent alpha release is pretty much the same as before. Just the basic allow/deny options. I've been using the latest alpha for quite a while now and its pretty good in its current form. I've had no major issues with it, some slight bugs but nothing major.

[MsFluffyMuffin]

Thanks farmerlee, I guess I was hoping for a more advanced out bound control, it would be nice if AppDefend had a firewall, I would like to lighten the load on my poor computer with so many individual security apps, through I'm not in love with suites.

A lot of people don't like over lapping features or functions in security apps, but experience has taught me different, it only takes a split seconds moment lack of concentration and you can let some nasty access the internet, but with a second firewall or out bound control in your HIPS it can save your bacon big time ;D

Fluffy

[Dogbiscuit]

-{ Quote: "Yeah, that sound's like a really great idea, so does anyone know Paul's nick so we can all PM him?

What I kinda find interesting is this, where is Jason, not one comment from him, oh wait I know where he is, he's probably off paint brushing a few more screenshot's in Photoshop, either that or creating the next toy, what's it this time Jason, anothertoytobuytime v0.1 alpha , maybe a few more lil' cute ghost's pasted into the graphics will make us forget we have been suckered ::)

...feel's so good to move on from Jason, my only concern is to help prevent anyone else being suckered in to buying GS crapware!" }-
-{ Quote: "Oh god who care's anymore, I used to really like Jason and Ghost Security software, but I have moved on and don't really care either, someone at Wilders should close these forum's down and archive them, what's the point in them anymore, the only *real* support for Jason's product's are coming from the user's, as great as this is the user's can't keep up development only support each other.

...I no longer like or respect Jason, he's stopped caring and respecting us all, so why should we support him by buying his crapware" }-
-{ Quote: "Basically I still really like AD & RD, the interface is brilliant, so is the layout of the alerts, nothing even comes close to AD or RD for that, Jason has done a wonderful job on them, I guess that's one of the main reasons I got mad with him, I really like GSS so much, I would like to continue using Jason's software, I just wish he could be more communicative with us, that's all!" }-

Oviously a troll.

[BlueZannetti]

-{ Quote: "Obviously a troll." }-Another read, much more likely by the way, is one of a hopeful customer, who has clearly been disappointed in the vendor, posting a mix of the hope and disappointment.

Blue

[Dogbiscuit]

-{ Quote: "Another read, much more likely by the way, is one of a hopeful customer, who has clearly been disappointed in the vendor, posting a mix of the hope and disappointment.

Blue" }-
It never ceases to amaze me how some people can so easily rationalize abusive language.

[BlueZannetti]

-{ Quote: "It never ceases to amaze me how some people can so easily rationalize abusive language." }-Not every emotion laden post is a troll, sometimes it's simply an emotional vent.

Blue

[Dogbiscuit]

-{ Quote: "Not every emotion laden post is a troll, sometimes it's simply an emotional vent.

Blue" }-

By any name, it's still abuse.

[BlueZannetti]

-{ Quote: "By any name, it's still abuse." }-With all due respect, that's not necessarily the case. It's called voice of the customer and if you've ever been involved in an exercise to obtain this in a commercial setting, you would know that unfiltered comments are the most informative and valuable to a vendor, even if the message is one that they'd rather not hear. At times the communication is impolite, and occasionally that's needed to get the salient points across.

Blue

[Dogbiscuit]

-{ Quote: "With all due respect, that's not necessarily the case. It's called voice of the customer and if you've ever been involved in an exercise to obtain this in a commercial setting, you would know that unfiltered comments are the most informative and valuable to a vendor, even if the message is one that they'd rather not hear. At times the communication is impolite, and occasionally that's needed to get the salient points across.

Blue" }-

I don't disagree with the generalities you state. But with regards to MsFuffyMuffin's numerous 'comments' (and some other's ), many of us feel the same frustrations but take a more constructive approach.

In terms of needing abusive language to 'get the salient points across' to Jason, I'm not sure I would agree with you in this case.

[BlueZannetti]

-{ Quote: "I don't disagree with the generalities you state. But with regards to MsFuffyMuffin's numerous 'comments' (and some other's ), many of us feel the same frustrations but take a more constructive approach.

In terms of needing abusive language to 'get the salient points across' to Jason, I'm not sure I would agree with you in this case." }-Just a final comment from me and, at the end of the day, perhaps we'll simply have to accept that we interpret things differently...

Constructive is both in the eye of the beholder and final result obtained. Gentle comments offered calmly are not constructive if no positive action results. That is the path followed by many over the past couple of years, with decidedly mixed results. Perhaps we're at a tipping point. Dissatisfied customers have two extreme paths that they may follow - a silent exit or a loud cry that "they want this to succeed, but it's not working for them at the moment". There's a lot of ground in between.

I'm not one to dismiss the loud cries as trolls. If past timelines were much shorter, and a visible presence far greater, my view might align with yours. However, the timelines are quite long and the visible presence has been rather short for an extended period. That combination is not a good one....

Blue

[Hillsboro]

General reply/comment here to those taking exception to my taking Jason to task:

When this is taken in perspective of the DCS debacle, I think there is some room to see my frustration. That and the fact that this is the only thing I have ever said negative on Wilders in the 4 years I have been coming here.

Why? Because I see another DCS here in what Jason is doing... Promises unfulfilled while he continues to take peoples money... Remember TDS? I knew Jason when he was at DCS... He was, in my estimation, one of the few bright spots that remained... he started GS and I supported him as did many others... things turned out to be deja vu... The DCS debacle writ smaller

This isn't a matter of not liking the software, or Spamming, or Needing to get a life as some of the pundits have suggested. Most of whom have not spent a €/$ with Jason.

There are products I have bought that I don't like so I move on to something better But they were products that were supported and upgraded... I got what I paid for... life goes on... This is a whole different issue... anyone reading the DCS debacle can see the parallels... This is about not stopping Jason... but about stopping him from collecting money until he delivers as he promised...

This is about Cavet Emptor... Letting people know the other side of this so they can make an informed decision before succumbing to the nag screens on on AD/RD... So they know if they do invest they are supporting someone hobby, not a professional development effort... Jason made this clear when he pointed out work he has done in the interim on everything but what he has collected money for.

[berng]

He gave unlimited licenses and the never expiring free beta. Everyone could have had this product for free.

This is not the action of someone who wants to con people out of money.

I think he got overwhelmed. His business sense leaves much to be desired. He has to keep the customers happy. This means timely communication - which has been reminded of over and over. Also, while we like to see a good product that works well, we don't want to wait forever for the "perfect" product. Jason may be a "perfectionist" when it comes to his coding but in business that could be a disaster.

Edison had the same issue when he invented his light bulb. It took him forever and he finally created a good one which he marketed. He could have tried for another few years and even gotten a better one. The moral is there has to be a point when you let go and push the product into the market. Besides, that is the only way would get valuable and needed product feedback from the mass market.

He made a mistake putting out his new freebie Ghostshell, even if it will later aid him in his development of AD and RD. It gave the wrong impression. He should just state (with timely updates) that he's working on AD and RD and if Ghostshell was a side effect of his development, then release it after the AD and RD release. Now he has Ghostshell threads and is resolving issues for the Ghostshell users instead of concentrating on the commercial products.

[Jason_R0]

-{ Quote: "Jason, This isn't about seven other products... this is about AD/RD, the products we paid you to develop based on your asking for support and your promises... As I pointed out to another poster... this is about the people who helped pay your bills... US... and what we got in return... Ghostshell, isn't what we paid for, and pointing to it is nothing but obfuscation of the really issue here. You took peoples money, you are obligated to deliver what you promised in a timely manner... Why were you working on Ghostshell when you should have been working on AD/RD? that was what we invested in... not Ghostshell... your using that as an example of your diligence only serves to refute that claim..." }-

GhostShell was the best vehicle to iron out the GUI code base which had to be developed for AppDefend and RegDefend to go into the future (as I've said before). That, and my goal is to eventually tie them together to provide an (optional) GUI improvement for security on Windows. The fruit of that labor is about to come, and I know it has been a long and frustrating time for people wanting the new updates. I felt it was important to do it however so that I could do something which no one has done (proper from boot protection) and to ensure that there is a real future for AD/RD, not just a one or two year one like some other products.

What you could get with the original AD was too similar to what others were offering and started to offer, so the time needed to be spent making sure I could offer something unique, just like with the first ProcessGuard builds.

[Jason_R0]

-{ Quote: "Another read, much more likely by the way, is one of a hopeful customer, who has clearly been disappointed in the vendor, posting a mix of the hope and disappointment.

Blue" }-

Semi related - there are still some people out there who are upset with DCS and think that they can take it out on me because I used to work there and am responsible in their eyes. Which amazes me, that after all this time people email me such things.

I'm not saying any of these people are in this thread, but they do exist. I personally do not like moderating people except blatantly obvious things like spam, etc. So emotional comments, criticism, etc, can stand for what it is.

[Jason_R0]

-{ Quote: "And last... It is a matter of principle too. It is a matter of doing the right thing... you ask for people to support your efforts financially and you have an obligation based on that... My, what a novel concept... It is called business ethics, another novel concept..." }-

Well considering I have been offered positions at other companies making much more than I do now I personally don't see how I haven't done the best thing by my customers by staying the course. Others who may have "money interests" as their number one goal might have taken another option, so the fact that you and others have alluded to such things is a bit insulting.

Yes things haven't been on a schedule that any of us like, I would have liked to have what I'm doing now ready a year ago, but what we want and what actually happens is what we call software development. That said, there is no major core work which has to be done anymore, so things should be fairly smooth and much more predictable from here on out.

[tlu]

-{ Quote: "
Yes things haven't been on a schedule that any of us like, I would have liked to have what I'm doing now ready a year ago, but what we want and what actually happens is what we call software development. That said, there is no major core work which has to be done anymore, so things should be fairly smooth and much more predictable from here on out." }-

Well, that's good to read, and I hope sincerly that you will be successful on behalf of yourself and your customers. Nevertheless you should acknowledge that things would have been much easier for all of us if you had told us earlier what you wrote in your recent postings. Frequent and timely infos what's happening on your side and why are extremely important in a situation where everybody is waiting for new releases. Jason, you do have a communication problem - and for most businesses that's absolutely deadly. Insofar I hope that you understand the recent discussion here as an important learning process.

[MsFluffyMuffin]

@ Jason: Well, Jason, all we have and ever asked for is good communication form you, but that point eludes you, so you developed Ghostshell, cool.....I'm using it on my laptop, but thats not the issue, not the money we have invested, but the lack of knowing how the progress of AppDefend is going, I mean where is it in the scale of things Jason ? , is it half way finished or like 95% finished, if a new idea or whatever crops up it would be nice to know that, that there might be a bit longer wait and why, I'm sorry but these are the kind of things that we are missing and it makes us upset, upset because we are in the dark and don't know whats going on, you know, so then we do the only thing that we can do, and thats draw our own conclusion to the state of affairs, I'm sorry if the ones that we have felt are wrong, but its not like you have given us any others, we cant you see what we want and asking for, just a few minutes each month filling us all in on the development of your products, I'm sorry if thats too much to ask :(

@ Dogbiscuit: I have never been a troll, I hate trolls and always will, they have destroyed all of my favourite newsgroups and some of my sites :'( , but I ask this of you, why cant I praise Jason or any of his creations, its not what hes created or his genius I have a problem with, its his lack of communication I'm upset with, okay, I admit maybe I got a bit upset, but only because I like Jason and his work so much, I dont want to stop using GSS or any of his other creations, but when I feel I might have to or must it leaves me upset, AppDefend and RegDefend are just amazing, the problem is they are being left behind by the rest of the pack, time moves on, so does malware, we need new versions to stay protected, if it was my choice I would stay using Jasons creations :)

Fluffy

[Dogbiscuit]

MsfluffyMuffin,

My problem with your posts were the insults - calling it GS Crapware - or stating the you don't like Jason, that Wilders should close him down, etc. That seemed childish, unfair and rude. And later, in the same thread, you praised the very same software that you just labled crapware, and stated you were only disappointed with his lack of communication.

What you said was fickle at best. That smelled like a troll to me. I cannot respect what you said. Many of us here understand your frustration, believe it or not. But how can someone (you) who supposedly is only concerned with someone else's (Jason's) lack of communication, think that name calling and personal insults is helpful to that end? Should I treat you that way, if I can rationalize it?

[ronjor]

Jason has responded in this thread. Any further personal conversations should be done off these forums.

Off topic posts will be removed without notice.

[Brother Esau]

Damn whats going on here? Man cut the guy a friggin break allready! I know that I do not post on this forum allot and allot may not like what I am about to say for that very reason. In light of what I just said all I can say in my defense is that I have been coming to this forum for quite a long time and hell I even remeber when Jason was working at DCS I supported his work then and even a few years later as a independant I continue to support his work. Why because the guy takes pride in what he does and also cares about the quality in his product which takes allot of time when you work by yourself and have to do everything! All of you guys that are raining on Jasons parade need to STFU allready! I say this for the mere fact that I specialize in Hand Reproduced 18th & 19th Century Period Furniture reproductions the really swank stuff and I can say through eperience that I have spent up to 600 hrs just making one 18th Century Period Piece but.......the finished product is Museum Quality rivaled only by the Original Masters. And ya know what? Some of you guys remind me of my customers how come its not done yet?, Whats taking so long?, Why so much...Bla, bla, bla ,bla,. I mean really guys! This applies to all of those who wish to break balls when you don't have a clue to whats involved labor and time wise STFU and DO IT YOU'RE SELF OR DON'T COMPLAIN!!!!!

God I just love seeing crap like this its always the same old thing THOSE THAT CANT DO TALK A GOOD GAME BUT IN THE END....YOU KNOW NOTHING!!!!

[MsFluffyMuffin]

@ Brother Esau: Well what can I say, I have personally PM'd Jason and apologised for letting my own feelings get the better of me, for which Jason has been most understanding and kind, I can only hope that the others have done similar.

I hate to say this, you talk about 'us' the ones that got a bit to emotional, yet you sit there doing the same thing, truth is its easy to preach certain things, but harder to do, we are all human and emotional, sometimes, sometimes we let them get the better of us, I for one thing am sorry to Jason and the many wonderful people here that this thread got so bogged down with bad feelings and emotions, I'm truly sorry to/for all :'(

Personally I hope we can all just learn from this and move on, I thought the ronjor post had put a line under it all, I hope this is the last of it for all our sakes, please can we all just realise we are all human and make mistakes and just move on from this, can we please get back to what we are here for!

Hugs,
Fluffy