Norton AntiVirus 2008

[ink]

If I choose to join this test, I will not be able to test NIS 08, the information provided is little useful, I don't find any enchancement yet, maybe I will take this chance. I notice that the differences between NAV and NIS default install is less and less.

[Sjoeii]

Norton 2008 ?

[HiTech_boy]

{QUOTE-> Norton 2008 ? <-QUOTE}

Perhaps he means Norton 3008 ;D

[mrhero]

Today norton has sent invite to existing testers for NAV2008 beta, I think he talks about this ;D

[tsilo]

Very interesting, anyone knows something about his improvements or something like that?

[Sjoeii]

If he really is talking about Norton 2008 I'm very curious to know what changed.

[ink]

Sorry, I can't disclose the email, it is forbiden, but I didn't find any enchancement details, just added some not so useful funtion.

[Zombini]

{QUOTE-> Sorry, I can't disclose the email, it is forbiden, but I didn't find any enchancement details, just added some not so useful funtion. <-QUOTE}

I think you are already violating the NDA with that statement.. be advised.

[ashishtx]

I am not allowed in this beta since i violated disclosure clause of its EULA last year so please do not disclose any information without explicit permission.

[Sjoeii]

I know what everybody is talking about. I received some information as well.;)

[bigc73542]

I believe there are several Symantec beta testers here on wilders. And yes we do have to agree not to reveal any information concerning the product we are testing. in this case it is NIS 2008. I think that most software companies require the privacy and non disclosure agreement to be a tester for them.

[Zombini]

Yep, a number of Symantec employees are watching this forum.:-X

[coolbluewater]

Well, I'm not a Symantec employee or even one of their beta testers, but I did come across this:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/05/09/Symantec-pitches-rootkit-tech-as-Veritas-validation_1.html

[Perman]

{QUOTE-> Yep, a number of Symantec employees are watching this forum.:-X <-QUOTE}
Hi, folks: Just watching ? like p---Tom? But never responds to members' querry, nor any technical advice. Are they from police state ? or CIA ? ;D

[ink]

ET2 is out, testing with symantec product usually have different feeling, it always can't get enough details, just simple click and go test.

[Sjoeii]

Any differences?

[C.S.J]

well, there is a slight difference to the interface ;)

[C.S.J]

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enjoy :D

[tec505]

It looks great and powerfull.
Security war level is really flying high. May be within few months there will be great dead names.

Mike

[C.S.J]

I like how they have added the toolbar to firefox too.

[tec505]

{QUOTE-> I like how they have added the toolbar to firefox too. <-QUOTE}

May be bigs too are considering FF as an alternative to IE7.
BD 10 do not analyze i.e. FF cookeis. Only IE7. And I hope BD 2008 will consider FF too.
But Symantec is continuing in his growth, w/ great products.

[Sjoeii]

It looks good . Maybe a bit dark, but nice

[C.S.J]

its to match vista, although this is only a pre-release, we must remember this.

hope you like the leaks, nobody seemed to want to post them :)

[Sjoeii]

Why not? Are they bad?

[C.S.J]

they dont want to get kicked off the beta, ::)

[C.S.J]

some more :)

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/ba0083153f.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

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[The One]

They look nice thanx

[Sjoeii]

Aha that's what you mean. Aren't you scared?

[C.S.J]

your welcome :)

wilders gets most things first, keeping up the tradition. ;D

now i just want drweb to bring something to 'wow' me, winky winky V5. ;)

[midway40]

Very nice interface, blending more with the Aero look in Vista. It has more options it appears as well.

Thanks for posting these, Chris, but remember what I said in the other thread about the yellow/black vans :lurking: ;D

There is also less yellow, lodore ;D

[C.S.J]

your welcome midway,

dont worry, they cant kick me out of the beta, if i aint in it already :)

[Cloudcroft]

{QUOTE->
There is also less yellow, lodore ;D <-QUOTE}

I was thinking the same thing!

[tsilo]

I have one question, new realased Norton Anti-Bot will build in one of the Norton security application version, or not?
I mean, for exlample, NIS 2008 will containe same functions, that have NAB, or it will different product? or both variants at the same time?

[Littlemutt]

I hope you can turn off that damn toolbar in Firefox. I hate toolbars taking up my screen space when I don't need the toolbar. I know where the icon is in the systray.

[Longboard]

ah so grasshopper
there is another browser lol
agree the toolbar is a bit ott

might be good.

[lodore]

There is also less yellow, lodore ;D <-QUOTE}
;D ;D
now they need to change the yellow tray icon to a nice black one.
a nice black N
lodore

[Jadda]

It looks really nice :) Liked it alot.

[midway40]

{QUOTE->
now they need to change the yellow tray icon to a nice black one.
a nice black N
<-QUOTE}
Then you couldn't see it in Vista, lol.

I can't wait for the next version. I won't beta this one as I am going to get my money's worth with '07.

[ink]

Norton Anti-Bot will not build in one of the Norton security application now.
One of my test account has been closed already, but It doesn't matter, I don't want to post any picture that nothing changes.

[tsilo]

Is there any changelog where we can see what's excatlly was improved or changed in 2008 version?

[C.S.J]

i doubt it,
especially at this early stage....

you should be happy there are screenshots to view :)

-----------
all these new betas arriving of new products, *sighs*

[midway40]

Come on, Chris, are you at least tempted to join the "Dark Side" with the rest of us Norton users? :D

J/K, I admire your loyalty to Dr Web. Because of this they should give you the new Beta before the public release (I know, but it doesn't hurt to dream).

FYI I do have CureIt! as a backup on-demand scanner just in case :)

[Legendkiller]

well,interface really looks good.....thnx Chris...
does anyone know if beta for the IS has started as well?
i am still waiting for my invitation................

[ethan_arends]

The beta for NIS 2008 has started almost 2 weeks ago. I've already tested.

[C.S.J]

{QUOTE-> Come on, Chris, are you at least tempted to join the "Dark Side" with the rest of us Norton users? :D <-QUOTE}

lol, im happy where i am :)

knowing just 'some' of the things ready for V5 drweb, is enough for me to stay happy.

just one thing is a proactive defense, 'different' and better than kasperskys PDM (so they say..)

very excited to see results.

{QUOTE-> well,interface really looks good.....thnx Chris...
does anyone know if beta for the IS has started as well?
i am still waiting for my invitation................ <-QUOTE}

these screenshots ARE from Norton Internet Security 2008

Pre-Release (beta)

if you want to try the beta, just send me a PM.

[Zombini]

Me thinks KIS 7 is screwed.

[plantextract]

why do you think that?

[Abeltje]

I read on a German Blog (http://blog.chip.de/0-security-blog/wo-symantec-die-firewall-von-sygate-versteckt-20070614/#more-81) that there will be no NIS2008 but only Norton 360?? Please tell me it's not true, I read here that some people are already testing NIS2008 beta, right? I just got to like NIS, I cannot believe they are abandoning it ...

[plantextract]

if there will be no more nis 2008, then all the pictures on the first page are fake :D
They are all from NIS 2008, and not a 360 type product

[Abeltje]

{QUOTE-> if there will be no more nis 2008, then all the pictures on the first page are fake :D
They are all from NIS 2008, and not a 360 type product <-QUOTE}

Oh ja, indeed. Then I don't know where this guy bases his information on (he works for a big German PC magazine...)

Is the firewall in NIS (2007 and 2008 ) also based on Sygate or is it Symantec's own development?

[ink]

HI, the artical is about symantec end protection, it is to substitute SAV, SCS, nothing about the home product. You will not see sygate for they interested in the access control.

[Abeltje]

{QUOTE-> HI, the artical is about symantec end protection, it is to substitute SAV, SCS, nothing about the home product. <-QUOTE}

Yes it is, but he mentions also that NIS 2007 will be the last of its kind. I asked about it if you read the comments below the text. He says he got to know that from a Symantec official on one of their recent conferences. So I don't know, maybe it is more long term strategy. Why would there be a beta for NIS 2008 otherwise?

About the firewall .. I know there is no configuration possibiliy. But is the technology based on Sygate?

[Valentin_Pletzer]

Hi,

I am the one who posted the blog-entry. I was told, that SEP 11.0 is the first Symantec-product to use the Sygate technology. I don't know about the ominous NIS 2008 beta.

I also sent an email to another Symantec official to get a confirmation wether or not there will be a NIS 2008. The guy I asked previously is Andreas Zeitler, Vice President und Regional Manager Central Region.

Greetings,
Valentin

[mrhero]

{QUOTE-> Hi,

I am the one who posted the blog-entry. I was told, that SEP 11.0 is the first Symantec-product to use the Sygate technology. I don't know about the ominous NIS 2008 beta.

I also sent an email to another Symantec official to get a confirmation wether or not there will be a NIS 2008. The guy I asked previously is Andreas Zeitler, Vice President und Regional Manager Central Region.

Greetings,
Valentin <-QUOTE}

Hi Valentin,
I am a beta tester of NIS 2008, so there will be NIS 2008:) . Maybe there won't be German version??? .

[Valentin_Pletzer]

Hi.

I asked a second official at Symantec and she told me that the first source was mistaken. Sorry for all that fuzz.

Greetings,
Valentin

PS: I was promised another call with the info wether or not the Sygate technology is used with NIS 2008 or maybe even in 2007.

[Abeltje]

{QUOTE-> Hi.

I asked a second official at Symantec and she told me that the first source was mistaken. Sorry for all that fuzz.

Greetings,
Valentin

PS: I was promised another call with the info wether or not the Sygate technology is used with NIS 2008 or maybe even in 2007. <-QUOTE}

Thanks for the research! And the Sygate question will be very interesting one to get to know!

[ink]

Sygate technology will not used in home product, they buy sygate not for its firewall but for access control and customer.

[Mele20]

What happened to the pics on the first page of this thread???

[GrailVanGogh]

{QUOTE-> What happened to the pics on the first page of this thread??? <-QUOTE}

If you are referring to C.S.J's pictures check your browser because all of the pictures are still on the first page.

[Mele20]

Posts number 18 and 26 are blank for me in Fx and also in SeaMonkey. Do you have to use IE to see them?

[BlueZannetti]

{QUOTE-> Posts number 18 and 26 are blank for me in Fx and also in SeaMonkey. Do you have to use IE to see them? <-QUOTE}It's fine in FX.

I assume that it's your Proxo. Remote image tags are used in those posts, not locally stored image files.

Blue

[Mele20]

Thanks. It's not Proxo though. It is the browsers. Both are set to accept images from the originating site only unless I specify an exception (such as i.dslr.net). I couldn't see anything there (I looked at the page properties) to tell me that the images were off site so I would know to allow them.

[Mele20]

Very nice screen shots. I'm impressed that you can use Norton to create Identity cards. I couldn't get the Microsoft software for Identity cards for XP to work...but I haven't tried in awhile.

I don't care much for the black background with white text though. I always avoid websites that are reversed like that as it is hard to read.

[midway40]

Norton has "Vista-ized" the new interface so it looks pretty good in Vista. It makes my '07 look dated, lol. I am really looking forward to '08.

I am glad to know that there will be a NIS '08. For a while there I was wondering if they were going to replace it with the 360.

[C.S.J]

im glad you all liked the pictures,

now i can tell you, that i photoshopped them :)

*lol*

-----------
it definatly needs tweaking in my opinion, i still prefer the 2007 GUI.
i feel the lack of yellow disconcerning, i know some people didnt like yellow, but i feel norton need this to keep its identity.

mcafee tried to lose their RED, it didnt work.
bitdefenders new beta has lost their RED and its not working.
drweb seem to have lost their green, i hope v5 gui brings a bit back.

[confused0625]

I hope it's not a resource hog like the other Nortons.:wacko:

[Cloudcroft]

{QUOTE-> I hope it's not a resource hog like the other Nortons.:wacko: <-QUOTE}

Norton 2007 products are generally not considered resource hogs. I have NIS 2007 installed on my computer, and it runs very well.

[likuidkewl]

ET7 is now available for testing. Along with a "new" beta, that coincides NIS 2008. ;)

[Zombini]

{QUOTE-> ET7 is now available for testing. Along with a "new" beta, that coincides NIS 2008. ;) <-QUOTE}

I like the new Beta.. fixes a few issues I had with automatic form filling. Also fixes some crashes I was seeing when closing IE. So looks good, running smooth. LOOVEE the new Network Map feature, although I could think of a ton of new features it could use. Still not seeing new antivirus definitions although I was told that Symantec has not yet started posting definitions for the new version.

[controler]

The Beta download page is down today.

No word yet on the trial expired bug.

This time I installed it , I left computer on to see what would happen and do not get the trial expired. the program just stops loading all together.

[controler]

Not able to download the Norton removal tool as well :-(

[midway40]

Major Geeks has the file for download that I believe is the current version.

SymNRT (http://www.majorgeeks.com/Norton_Removal_Tool_SymNRT_d4749.html)

[Richdog]

Interesting take on the NIS 2008 BETA here... http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=13972&st=15

[Abeltje]

{QUOTE-> Interesting take on the NIS 2008 BETA here... http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=13972&st=15 <-QUOTE}

I dont agree with this post there. It does not say much about impact on system. Just that it takes more disk space and adds more entries .. so what? Anyway, it's a suit, it does much more than Nod32, it is not unusual that it needs more disk space and entries and so on. About start up time, again, it is a suit. And sorry, P3 is outdated, on a more recent system the difference will melt away. Memory usage by NIS is low, so is CPU usage. I'm not sure what its effect is on disk input / output. I read that NIS is not doing well in this area. When doing tests on my own system I could not find a difference between NIS, NOD32 and Avira, but then again, I have fairly new computer.

[trjam]

There isnt a difference except its great cleaning and detection ability.;)

[ph2000]

Differences if he mean NIS (the whole suite) yes - against NOD32 AV.

I'm actually surprised at how quickly my systems comes up with NIS8 - it's the first thing loaded and I keep waiting for more to happen. Remarkably it's been faster loading than with OA2 and NOD32 combo. I don't know why. They're pretty fast. -- I should say that it took a day or two for this to happen. Like it need to get comfy. Same looks to be true on my wifes PC.

The downside is losing some of the fine tuning I love so much in other products.

Paul

[midway40]

Granted NIS '08 does a lot more things automatically than previous versions. But look at it this way:

In NOD32, Blackspear's settings tell you to set the various modules from "ask me what to do" to automatically clean threats and place copies in quarantine. NIS does this by default and only asks you what to do with low-risk threats (in which you can set to automatically clean).

[midway40]

The only downside I see with NIS '08 is what you referred to on the other thread--lack of info on the updates that are installed. When using Automatic LiveUpdate all you know that something was updated by looking at the update date. If you force a manual update then you know exactly what is being updated.

I wish that they kept a update log like other AV's do.

[ph2000]

It seems to like to reboot after some updates - so it's not always silent about it. Still, works pretty well.

[midway40]

Really? I haven't had to reboot after an update since the initial install.

I too am enjoying NIS '08. And to think that this time last year I was a Norton Basher, lol. I am still looking for some "I Heart Norton" t-shirts ;D

[ph2000]

Maybe my pc just likes to be rebooted.

I've had notification off and on and off - I wonder if it tells you you need a reboot when notification is on and when it is off assumes you will reboot eventually.

[midway40]

On a whim, I did a manual LiveUpdate a while ago and I finally got a reboot message. I am starting to wonder if you only use the Automatic LU you see no messages about rebooting and it just waits until your next reboot to apply these updates.

Have you seen this message a after an Automatic LU?

EDIT: N/M, I didn't read your post correctly. I have my notifications off. It appears that your assumption may be correct about it waiting for the next reboot. I think I will turn my notifications back on and observe for a while.

[Zombini]

{QUOTE-> On a whim, I did a manual LiveUpdate a while ago and I finally got a reboot message. I am starting to wonder if you only use the Automatic LU you see no messages about rebooting and it just waits until your next reboot to apply these updates.
<-QUOTE}

Thats my understanding, yes. This is new to 2008.

[quadrophonic]

Is it still just for WinXP and Vista, and not Windows 2000. I was disappointed that NAV 2007 was not recommended for Windows 2000 OS as I wanted to install it on one machine, rather than change the OS.

[midway40]

Sorry quad, but it does not support 2000.

{QUOTE-> Windows Vista® Home Basic/ Home Premium/Business/Ultimate**
Windows® XP with Service Pack 2 Home/XP Pro/XP Media Center
Edition
Designed for Windows

* 300MHz or higher processor
* 256MB of RAM
* 350MB of available hard disk space

** Must meet minimum Windows Vista operating system requirements.
Email scanning supported for POP3 and SMTP compatible email clients.
Supported instant messenger clients:

* AOL® – 4.7 to 5.9
* Yahoo!® – 5.x and 6.x
* Microsoft® – 6.0 or higher
* Trillian™ – 3.1 or higher

Internet browsers (phishing protection)

* Microsoft® Internet Explorer 6.0 (32-bit only) or higher
* Mozilla® Firefox® 2.0 or higher

<-QUOTE}

I ran across a bug with the LU notification setting. I turned it on for a while and decided I didn't like the popups. I unchecked the "notify me" and clicked on apply but afterwards I still was getting the popups. I had to reinstall to get rid of the notifications.

[ph2000]

>> I ran across a bug with the LU notification setting.

This didn't happen with me. It just went back to normal.
I've since reimaged and reinstalled Norton, so I can't check again.
Seems like everything has some bug waiting to happen.

Paul

[midway40]

After I uninstalled NIS I rebooted and was going to uninstall LiveUpdate when I noticed the popup again even though there wasn't nothing on the computer to update, lol.

I just thought now maybe if I went into the LiveUpdate setting in Control Panel there may have been a switch in there (since apparently NIS had nothing to do with the setting other than presenting it's option). I will look into that tonight when I get home from work.

[trjam]

mine is updating fine. It has really improved and does a lot more then most standard antivirus products. Didnt need the suite but the AV is really nice. Plus IBK said their malware detection has improved dramatically as we will see later this year. Good product for the money.

[larryb52]

I have played with a few on the desktop, have learned to remove update 1st other wise have to use the removal tool to get it , for some reason when you go to remove it regularly the option is gone, or at least on my machines it's been that way...


{QUOTE-> After I uninstalled NIS I rebooted and was going to uninstall LiveUpdate when I noticed the popup again even though there wasn't nothing on the computer to update, lol.

I just thought now maybe if I went into the LiveUpdate setting in Control Panel there may have been a switch in there (since apparently NIS had nothing to do with the setting other than presenting it's option). I will look into that tonight when I get home from work. <-QUOTE}

[midway40]

Larry, that goes to show you how different machines react to the same software. Ever since I begin using Norton I have been able to uninstall LU after uninstalling NIS. I do go one step further though, I also run NRT after I uninstall both. It will be a while before I have to reinstall again (I hope, lol).

trjam, I like the fact that the Add-Ons are a separate install. All I need is a AV/AS/FW combo and this fits the bill. I don't have much use for anti-spam, parental control, etc. The other two suites I used in the past few years, TMIS and FSIS, didn't give you much choice. Trend only gave you the option of not installing the firewall and F-Secure of not installing the parental control.

Also I have to agree with the improvement of NIS's malware detection. Since I installed it last March SuperAntiSpyware hasn't had much to do except clean a few cookies. It is probably bored from having to do such menial work, lol.

[larryb52]

I tested 2007 version & that unistalled both entries but the 08 is different , as suites so Kis, FSIS, Norton are all at the top & for me spam is not needed so I don't miss it in Norton & I disable it in the other 2, Norton for some reason boots quicker than the other 2 on the new machine (vista) but vista is a bit of a slow boot (IMO) anyway...



{QUOTE-> Larry, that goes to show you how different machines react to the same software. Ever since I begin using Norton I have been able to uninstall LU after uninstalling NIS. I do go one step further though, I also run NRT after I uninstall both. It will be a while before I have to reinstall again (I hope, lol).

trjam, I like the fact that the Add-Ons are a separate install. All I need is a AV/AS/FW combo and this fits the bill. I don't have much use for anti-spam, parental control, etc. The other two suites I used in the past few years, TMIS and FSIS, didn't give you much choice. Trend only gave you the option of not installing the firewall and F-Secure of not installing the parental control.

Also I have to agree with the improvement of NIS's malware detection. Since I installed it last March SuperAntiSpyware hasn't had much to do except clean a few cookies. It is probably bored from having to do such menial work, lol. <-QUOTE}

[Diver]

Is NIS 2008 like 360? In 360 there is no right click context menu scanning, and the AV does all sorts of automatic scans in the background.

[midway40]

{QUOTE-> Is NIS 2008 like 360? In 360 there is no right click context menu scanning, and the AV does all sorts of automatic scans in the background. <-QUOTE}


360 is kind of like NIS, System Works, and Save and Restore all rolled up into one with a simplified interface. I had not tried it myself mainly because I don't really need the extras as I have other progs for those purposes. As a lot of reviews I read state that it would be good for your mother or grandmother because of ease of use.

NIS does have the right-click scanning context menu. NIS '08 did receive some of 360's traits as far as cleaning and quarantining medium to high threats it finds without user interaction. I don't find this intrusive as you can tell by my post #77 in this thread. About automatic scanning, there is only two instances where this happens--the scheduled scanning you set and a "quick scan" that is performed after a LiveUpdate which can be disabled. I leave mine on because I don't find it annoying. In fact I was playing Call of Duty 2 one evening and afterwards I looked into NIS's log and noticed that a quick scan was performed during game play. I didn't even notice it and wouldn't known about it if it wasn't for the logs, lol.

Larry, my Vista does boot up slower than XP as well. Since I didn't start using Norton until after I got Vista it is hard for me to gauge boot up time differences. It appears to be a little faster bootup than '07 though.

[larryb52]

Yea I just decided to stick with Norton for my new machine (laptop vista), it just works & doesn't interfer with my games (baseball football simulations)...Kis I have but it locked one game up & I can't have that & FSIS was good but Norton seems to be easier on the system. I also trialed AVG but Norton detection won out. I tried all equally just it seems IMHO that Norton has done a lot of good things here & tho I like multiple updates, I know that Norton has good over protection for zero day outbreaks. On boots I boot in about 3 minutes, I think that's good...I'm pleased

[Diablo2]

I just noticed this the other day on my Norton Internet Security 2008.

This surely must be two false positive detection.. anyone else noticed this?

[larryb52]

they all dial out to check for updates but I have no problem with my logitech mouse but than the wireless mouse ran fine with out the software & my old theory is if it's not broke don't fix it so I never install the setpoint software. But I know it regualarly checks for updates so your results don't surprise me. I'd put them in exclusions so they aren't blocked going forward...

[midway40]

To be honest, I wasn't sure what this screen was for. All I knew it had to do with "online transactions" and nothing has ever showed up in there for me.

Now I understand what it implies. It is just letting you know that it suspects what appears to be a keylogger and screen capture programs that are maliciously used to collect info like credit card or bank info (online transactions). In your case though there are no problems as these are legit programs obviously. As Larry said, you can unblock these programs.

Thanks for another Norton lesson :)

[Diablo2]

I chatted with their support and they said that noone else had reported this problem and that I should exclude them and then I asked if they were going update the signatures with this and they said yes but I'm not sure if they understood what I meant but I guess time will tell.

I think I know why noone has reported this problem yet it must be because 'Crimeware Protection' under 'Transaction Security' isn't enabled by default.

[midway40]

Yeah, I noticed that about the Crimeware setting back during the beta. I do not know why it is off by default. The settings I turned on was this one, the Turn on Advanced Mode in suspicious activity monitoring, turned on Office document scanning, and load Auto-Protect at startup (which could add to the boot up time, I guess).

[Diablo2]

I've searched the net and Symantec support to explain this but no luck:

Symantec Network Security Intermediate Filter Driver

I've been trying to figure out what the different part do and this one
hasn't been there in previous versions of Nis as I've seen.
Maybe someone here can shed some light on what it does? :)

[Abeltje]

{QUOTE-> Yeah, I noticed that about the Crimeware setting back during the beta. I do not know why it is off by default. The settings I turned on was this one, the Turn on Advanced Mode in suspicious activity monitoring, turned on Office document scanning, and load Auto-Protect at startup (which could add to the boot up time, I guess). <-QUOTE}

I guess it's turned off by default because there are too many false positives. The screen is also misleading, not really well explaining what is going on there. I also don't understand why NIS doesn't tell when it blocks a program there, would make things a lot easier.

[ink]

This feather turn off by default is that not everyone can make decision on the popup, symantec just block access regardless it is good or bad, maybe a white list in the future. But I think most of the time you can just let symantec to block it, the program won't crash.

[midway40]

Diablo2, I have noticed this myself and assumed it had something to do with Symantec's firewall. I am no FW expert (maybe Stem can help out here) but my research into filter drivers yielded this:

{QUOTE-> A Filter Driver is a special type of layered driver. What sets a filter driver apart from the layered driver is that it is invisible. They attach themselves to any other driver and intercept requests directed at the lower driver’s Device objects. It is developed primarily to allow the addition of new functionality beyond what is currently available. The filter driver may either use the services of the original target of the I/O request, or use the services of other kernel-mode drivers to provide value-added functionality. <-QUOTE}

http://www.calsoftlabs.com/whitepapers/filter-driver.html

My take on this is that they have "attached" the firewall onto the network drivers. Like I said, I am ignorant on the ways of firewall control so someone more knowledgeable will come up with a better explanation.

Abeltje, I have to agree on the misleading screen. At least during this discussion we have shed some light on some of these issues (which shows the value of open discussions in forums). I can see where having the Crimeware setting off by default is aimed more for the average user. For more knowledgeable users this can be an added tool for letting you know what's going on in the background during your travels around cyberspace.

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[Coolio10]

My ISP offers norton 2007 but i want to use norton 2008 as i heard it is faster. The way it is activated is done all by contacting the internet automatically. So i am guessing it creates its own key and uses it. I am wondering if there is a way to get the key out from somewhere to use on "08.
There must be a key saved in a file or somewhere in the about dialog?

[Edwin024]

Why don't you try to copy NIS2008 over your existing licensed 2007 version?

[toxical2004]

{QUOTE-> Why don't you try to copy NIS2008 over your existing licensed 2007 version? <-QUOTE}
I thought it would ask for the key again after upgrading? But who knows, you can always try, and if it asks you for the key your ISP didn't give, you can simply uninstall and install 2007 version again.

[Edwin024]

And another possibility: go to the Norton account thing in NIS2007. If it's there you can see the license key online!

[Coolio10]

I don't have a key.

[midway40]

When I installed 2007, the installation program created a Symantec folder with a text file with the key in it in my Documents. 2008 did not do this however.

[Coolio10]

I found a serial number in the about dialog? Will this be able to activate norton 08 or is there a seperate key?

[midway40]

The serial number is not the product key which is 25 digits in length.

[ink]

{QUOTE-> My ISP offers norton 2007 but i want to use norton 2008 as i heard it is faster. The way it is activated is done all by contacting the internet automatically. So i am guessing it creates its own key and uses it. I am wondering if there is a way to get the key out from somewhere to use on "08.
There must be a key saved in a file or somewhere in the about dialog? <-QUOTE}

Yes, I think it is an oem version, so that you install without a key, but you can use the norton account to store you key, when update to 2008, you can use again when install

[Coolio10]

{QUOTE-> Yes, I think it is an oem version, so that you install without a key, but you can use the norton account to store you key, when update to 2008, you can use again when install <-QUOTE}

You mean if i install 08 while having 07 it will ask to upgrade? The version of norton is customized and does not have the Norton Account link. Norton 07 does not start properly. It takes forever to open at logon but after that it seems fine. Guess 512MB is too slow.

[ink]

{QUOTE-> You mean if i install 08 while having 07 it will ask to upgrade? The version of norton is customized and does not have the Norton Account link. Norton 07 does not start properly. It takes forever to open at logon but after that it seems fine. Guess 512MB is too slow. <-QUOTE}

You can uninstall youself or direct install 2008, it will do the same thing.
You can find norton account on the right upper corner of the interface, or you can get hint from the help file.
The interface start slower, it is normal as far as you don't see any error popup.

[Coolio10]

{QUOTE-> You can uninstall youself or direct install 2008, it will do the same thing.
You can find norton account on the right upper corner of the interface, or you can get hint from the help file.
The interface start slower, it is normal as far as you don't see any error popup. <-QUOTE}

The norton account link was removed completely i mean. Since its an oem.

Not just the interface. While the tray icons are loading it now pauses for an extremely long time before opening norton fully. I was also playing a game with autoprotect off to prevent slowdown yet i see norton jumping up and down the cpu.

Looking through downloads and saw a link labeled "Free updates for Norton 2007 customers" but only people with norton 2007 installed can see the offer. Wondering if that offer is a free upgrade to 2008? Does anyone who has 2007 installed check it please?

http://www.symantec.com/home_homeoffice/support/special/upgrade2007/index.jsp See how the link has upgrade 2007 in it? That is why i am wondering if it is a free upgrade because it checks what is installed.

According to this website below, it was for free updating from 2006 to 2007 but the link they post is older and only redirects so maybe they offer 2007 to 2008 now?

{QUOTE-> Free update to Norton Internet Security 2007 1:14PM, Thursday 16th November 2006
In our review of Norton Internet Security 2007 in the latest edition of PC Pro (see issue 147, p85), we mentioned that existing users of Norton Internet Security 2006 were entitled to a free upgrade. However, this offer isn't clear from the main Symantec website, so we want to explain how to obtain the upgrade.

First, we should clarify that the upgrade offer is open to subscribers only. Here is the full text of the email Symantec sent us:

"Symantec is pleased to confirm that Norton Internet Security 2006 customers with a valid subscription are now eligible to receive the latest product features available with Norton Internet Security 2007 through the Norton Update Centre. This update centre has been designed to provide eligible customers on the 2006 versions of Norton Internet Security and Norton Antivirus products with the latest feature updates at no additional cost as a part of their subscription service."

To check if you can take advantage of this upgrade, please visit the Norton Update Centre. Note that you will need to use Internet Explorer 5.5 or above.
<-QUOTE}

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You can ignore that upgrade page, it just help you simplify the process to uninstall the old version and install the 2008 later, all user are require to enter the key and activate again for the install package is online version, not the retail version with phone activation choice, if you don't have your OEM key, no way to upgrade. Norton account is just a link, you can find the link and register, then you got your key. https://www.mynortonaccount.com/amsweb/default.do

[C.S.J]

please contact your ISP coolio, they might explain the issue more to you.

[Coolio10]

{QUOTE-> please contact your ISP coolio, they might explain the issue more to you. <-QUOTE}

You made me remember i had a live chat online with them. I was solving the problem with this guy until the chat program froze. Than i reconnected and got a different person who said the slowdown was normal? Norton Hater? LOL

[midway40]

It is definitely a crap shoot as far as dealing with Symantec help. I was lucky enough to get a knowledgeable person on the only time I ever needed it. I do like the Live Chat though.

I finally had something show up in my Transaction Protection screen. I had installed McAfee Site Advisor to see what it was about. But I noticed that it turned off Protected Mode in IE so I uninstalled it. Later I found this entry, a definite FP, in my TP screen.

[Coolio10]

{QUOTE-> It is definitely a crap shoot as far as dealing with Symantec help. I was lucky enough to get a knowledgeable person on the only time I ever needed it. I do like the Live Chat though.

I finally had something show up in my Transaction Protection screen. I had installed McAfee Site Advisor to see what it was about. But I noticed that it turned off Protected Mode in IE so I uninstalled it. Later I found this entry, a definite FP, in my TP screen. <-QUOTE}

I doubt it was a fp to norton. They probably attacking mcafee applications after mcafee insulted their endpoint security program.

[HiTech_boy]

Site Advisor does send some kind info back to home but one should read their EULA for more info . The behaviour blocker may well make a mistake because it may act as a keylogger which does not make it real keylogger :thumb:

[Coolio10]

Found some interesting performance increase proof. Beats kaspersky in most tests but bootup. But i would rather have better performance using applications than bootup as bootup only happens once.

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6600_7-6768133-1.html?tag=nl.e724

[Zombini]

{QUOTE-> Found some interesting performance increase proof. Beats kaspersky in most tests but bootup. But i would rather have better performance using applications than bootup as bootup only happens once.

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6600_7-6768133-1.html?tag=nl.e724 <-QUOTE}


Yep.. there is definitive proof all over the place that Norton has turned the corner.

[Edwin024]

I must say that the bootup isn't that bad at all with NIS2008. And I have used KIS7 too!

[larryb52]

yes is a faster boot on vista & better througput on internet speed...

[midway40]

:thumb: up for Norton though it took them long enough. Better late than never, I guess.

BTW, has anyone ever gotten a message via LiveUpdate notification? As long as I have used NIS I have never seen this popup with info.

[midway40]

There is one new feature of NIS '08 that hasn't been touched upon, Caching. Is this like KAV's ISwift or whatever it's called?

[ink]

{QUOTE-> :thumb: up for Norton though it took them long enough. Better late than never, I guess.

BTW, has anyone ever gotten a message via LiveUpdate notification? As long as I have used NIS I have never seen this popup with info. <-QUOTE}

It only offer big update notify, like upgrade from 06 to 07, or 07 to 07.2, 07 to 08. Symantec want all user download and install the latest upgrade that liveupdate can't offer

[Coolio10]

{QUOTE-> There is one new feature of NIS '08 that hasn't been touched upon, Caching. Is this like KAV's ISwift or whatever it's called? <-QUOTE}

Yup. So it was just added via liveupdate?

[ink]

{QUOTE-> There is one new feature of NIS '08 that hasn't been touched upon, Caching. Is this like KAV's ISwift or whatever it's called? <-QUOTE}

I think nearly all antivius software use such similar way to increase performance, norton has used before, maybe this time just an improvement and offer user a option. But why they decide to allow user to disable caching?

[midway40]

{QUOTE-> Yup. So it was just added via liveupdate? <-QUOTE}

No, it was present in the beta though I thought at the time that it had something to do with internet caching.

Maybe this is one of the reasons it boots faster than '07.

[midway40]

{QUOTE-> I think nearly all antivius software use such similar way to increase performance, norton has used before, maybe this time just an improvement and offer user a option. But why they decide to allow user to disable caching? <-QUOTE}

I don't know unless it may cause problems somewhere else so you have the option to turn it off.

[Zombini]

{QUOTE-> :thumb: up for Norton though it took them long enough. Better late than never, I guess.

BTW, has anyone ever gotten a message via LiveUpdate notification? As long as I have used NIS I have never seen this popup with info. <-QUOTE}

Damn thats a lot of Norton products. So you have LiveUpdate notification & Norton Antibot & NIS & NAV ? How do you have NIS and NAV at the same time.

[ink]

{QUOTE-> Damn thats a lot of Norton products. So you have LiveUpdate notification & Norton Antibot & NIS & NAV ? How do you have NIS and NAV at the same time. <-QUOTE}

It is the protection center and antivirus icon

[midway40]

It is the Protection Center, Auto-Protect, and NAB icons. I have the AP icon displayed because I can right click on it and disable AP like before playing a game or installing drivers.