GDATA AntiVirusKit & TrustPort AV WS

[Doom Scythe]

Hi,

I am new to this forums as you can see, second post of mine. :-) I have been following a lot of threads in this forums and read most of the popular reviews on AVs such as AV-Comparative, AV-Test and a few more. After reading a bit, I have this question that made me really wonder:

AVK and Trustpost AV WS both scored very good score in detection rate in AV Comparatives, but yet, not many is recommending them. I also noticed that not much attention is given to them. So far, it appears that NOD32 and Kaspersky is widely regarded as the leaders in detection rate with Avira and F-Secure gaining a very good ground. Thus, my question is that, why both AVK and Trustport is not given due attention.

The reason I took an interest in this realm is because my McAfee Security Center is going expire in a couple of months time. Got it together with this Dell Laptop and so far, I've been pretty satisfied, though it have gave me a few glitches and the firewall could do a lot better.

Please pardon me if my question look silly or out of place. Perhaps there is something that I don't know? Can the gurus here please enlighten me?

[ashishtx]

I am not an expert by any means but my experience shows that Gdata is very heavy with its dual engines. Ofcourse, You also have the option of choosing between bitdefender or avast engine for real time scanning but generally it will take lot of your resources. If detection is the only criteria for choosing your Av than Gdata is certainly one of the Best. I don't have any idea about Trustport AV WS.

[MalwareDie]

TrustPort and GDATA are very heavy and slow with their multiple engines.

[Doom Scythe]

Thanks for the quick reply.

Are both of them really slow even on a new PC? I mean, I have 1GB of RAM, which I think should be quite decent, though not top of the range.

[Blackcat]

{QUOTE-> Are both of them really slow even on a new PC? I mean, I have 1GB of RAM, which I think should be quite decent, though not top of the range. <-QUOTE}
I will not generalise to your computer, but both of these AV's in real-time significantly slowed down, even when considerably tweaked, one of my machines which was no slouch ( 3.6Ghz, 2 GB Ram ). BUT you have to trial these 2 AV's on your machine to accurately judge their effects on performance.

I also found that their on-demand scan speeds were very slow, particularly in TrustPort. Further, unless it has improved very recently, support for AVK for non-Germans is practically non-existant.

Detection rates mean close to nothing if any AV changes your computer's performance to something akin to treading through molasses.

IMO, it is always better to look for a balance between detection and performance; so in this regard there may be much better choices than AVK or TrustPort for you to consider.

[Doom Scythe]

Hmmm, if the support for non-Germans are bad, I will have to give it a second thought. Also, if what you said about the slowing down of PCs is a universal thing (i.e. experienced by every other user as well), then it might not be worth it. I will give it a try when my exams are over. In the mean time, any users of those 2 AVs? Care to share your experience?

There is another question, is Trustport suitable for PCs? I mean, it is designed for Workstations, right?

[xuesisi]

I like AVK but its too heavy

[Blackcat]

{QUOTE-> There is another question, is Trustport suitable for PCs? I mean, it is designed for Workstations, right? <-QUOTE}
Yes, check here. (http://www.aec.cz/index.php?id=204,0,0,1,0,0)

[Firecat]

The main reasons IMO why TrustPort and AVK are not very popular are:

1) Heavy: Both are quite heavy and slow in terms of scanning due to multi engine technology.
2) Cost: You don't get all THAT much better protection but you end up paying quite a bit more for a license than say Avira (for example)
3) Support: GDATA's support to international users is not good at all.

In the case of TrustPort, purchasing a license is difficult unless from their resellers. But their resellers only have local language websites and no English website, so this becomes difficult.

Due to all these reasons AVK and TrustPort are not feasible solutions for the international market just yet.

[Doom Scythe]

I see....

So, I believe the general concensus seems to be that they are heavy. Thanks for the input. I appreaciate it. :)

[dawgg]

Remember to trial out different AVs prior to making a decision purchase one.

[toasale]

Please try AntiVir/AVIRA

:thumb:

[GES/POR]

Trustport was too heavy on my system even with most engines disabled it didn't make a difference wich is strange.

AVK was actually light as a feather on my pc.

Looking at pricing and support there are better alternatives such as drweb,avira,vba32,fprot,etc.

[Inspector Clouseau]

{QUOTE-> 1) Heavy: Both are quite heavy and slow in terms of scanning due to multi engine technology. <-QUOTE}

Wrong. You get the new AVK BE with F-Prot and Avast Engine. Both of them together are the "ideal" partners. That makes AVK much faster than the version you might know. Detection with this combination is really really really good.

{QUOTE-> 2) Cost: You don't get all THAT much better protection but you end up paying quite a bit more for a license than say Avira (for example) <-QUOTE}

Speaking about the Suite; GData's Firewall is one of the best firewalls included in an AV Suite.

{QUOTE-> 3) Support: GDATA's support to international users is not good at all. <-QUOTE}

Says who?

{QUOTE-> Due to all these reasons AVK and TrustPort are not feasible solutions for the international market just yet. <-QUOTE}

You'd be suprised how long AVK already exists. They are not newcomers. And your reasons you wrote above are not the main criteria for a product going a international way. If you don't like something - without any technical evidence - then don't use it, but don't tell other users that it's not "feasible". If there would be a lousy detection rate or the product fails to protect users then i would agree with your statement. But it doesn't.

[ren]

hello,
{QUOTE-> Wrong. You get the new AVK BE with F-Prot and Avast Engine. <-QUOTE}
what is avk BE ? i know gdata/istotalcare, gdata/avkis and gdata/avk. thank you.

[NAMOR]

{QUOTE-> Wrong. You get the new AVK BE with F-Prot and Avast Engine. Both of them together are the "ideal" partners. That makes AVK much faster than the version you might know. Detection with this combination is really really really good.
<-QUOTE}


Hello Inspector Clouseau,

What is AVK BE? Is it the same as G DATA AntiVirusKit 2007? Sorry, I don't really know much about G Data's engines.

[Blackcat]

Most posters in this thread were talking about the "old" AVK therefore their observations are still accurate in terms of system performance and support

Whether these aspects have/will improve with this "apparent new" version is still not known.

[Technodrome]

{QUOTE-> Hello Inspector Clouseau,

What is AVK BE? Is it the same as G DATA AntiVirusKit 2007? Sorry, I don't really know much about G Data's engines. <-QUOTE}

AVK Business Edition.



tD

[likuidkewl]

AVK business edition would seem to be a good option.
Still though only in german, as this is their main area of operations no one can really blame them. It would be nice if they supported outside German language, and offered the business edition as a stand alone version. 350 euros is a little much ;)

[Firecat]

{QUOTE->
Wrong. You get the new AVK BE with F-Prot and Avast Engine. Both of them together are the "ideal" partners. That makes AVK much faster than the version you might know. Detection with this combination is really really really good. <-QUOTE}

Hmm....350 euros and from a home user perspective....

{QUOTE-> Speaking about the Suite; GData's Firewall is one of the best firewalls included in an AV Suite. <-QUOTE}

Sure; but then, even F-Secure and Kaspersky (for example) have good firewalls in their suites. :)

{QUOTE-> Says who? <-QUOTE}

How about posts all over this forum since quite a few years? :)

{QUOTE-> You'd be suprised how long AVK already exists. They are not newcomers <-QUOTE}

Sure, I know how long it exists....They are definitely not newcomers, then again neither is Rising. :D

{QUOTE-> And your reasons you wrote above are not the main criteria for a product going a international way <-QUOTE}

Their german support IS better than their English support from what I hear, and this is one reason why it is not suited for the international market (or rather WAS not suited, after all I think this is changing now).

{QUOTE-> If you don't like something - without any technical evidence - then don't use it, but don't tell other users that it's not "feasible" <-QUOTE}

Why do you think I was bashing those products (TrustPort and AVK)? They ARE good in terms of detection rate and potential - however, support and system performance have been a problem in the past. AVK Business edition is for the present time not the same as the home edition, so cannot really be taken into perspective for the enduser at this time. Reiterating Blackcat's statement here:

{QUOTE-> Most posters in this thread were talking about the "old" AVK therefore their observations are still accurate in terms of system performance and support

Whether these aspects have/will improve with this "apparent new" version is still not known. <-QUOTE}

....

[lodore]

can you get a trial of this avk business edition?
i cant even find a uk website for the antiviruskit 2007 version.
lodore

[WSFuser]

The homepage is here (http://www.gdata.de/trade/GB/productview/727/16). and trial version for AVK 2007 can be found here (http://www.gdata.de/support/GB/list/82/).

[walking paradox]

{QUOTE-> The homepage is here (http://www.gdata.de/trade/GB/productview/727/16). and trial version for AVK 2007 can be found here (http://www.gdata.de/support/GB/list/82/). <-QUOTE}
I think lodore and others were looking for the trial version of the business edition (see below).
{QUOTE-> can you get a trial of this avk business edition? <-QUOTE}


Here (http://www.gdata.de/trade/DE/productview/677/76/) is the page for the business edition.
Here (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.gdata.de/trade/DE/productview/677/76/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.gdata.de/trade/DE/productview/677/76/%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG) it is poorly translated by google.

I don't see anything about a trial version. I emailed them about it and will relay any info I get.

[walking paradox]

Mabey the Inspector can mention something about it to GDATA, seeing that he works for F-Prot and given that the business edition incorporates the F-Prot engine. It would seem to be in both their interest to make available a trial version for the business edition.

[C.S.J]

i thought gdata was KAV & BD and changed to KAV & AVAST for 2007 :wacko:

[i_g]

That's true - for the "normal" version of the program. The Business Edition is different, however.

[Macstorm]

{QUOTE-> Further, unless it has improved very recently, support for AVK for non-Germans is practically non-existant. <-QUOTE}
. ??? I always got response from them to every inquire I had.

{QUOTE-> AVK was actually light as a feather on my pc. <-QUOTE}
Same here.

{QUOTE-> can you get a trial of this avk business edition?
i cant even find a uk website for the antiviruskit 2007 version.
lodore <-QUOTE}
I also would like to test this version. :)

[trjam]

testing the internet suite now. 310MB download but once installed very light. Just getting into settings.

[trjam]

WOW, 20 minutes into the scan and it has done a whopping 814 files.::) Man is this slow. >:(

[trjam]

{QUOTE-> Wrong. You get the new AVK BE with F-Prot and Avast Engine. Both of them together are the "ideal" partners. That makes AVK much faster than the version you might know. Detection with this combination is really really really good.



Speaking about the Suite; GData's Firewall is one of the best firewalls included in an AV Suite.



Says who?



You'd be suprised how long AVK already exists. They are not newcomers. And your reasons you wrote above are not the main criteria for a product going a international way. If you don't like something - without any technical evidence - then don't use it, but don't tell other users that it's not "feasible". If there would be a lousy detection rate or the product fails to protect users then i would agree with your statement. But it doesn't. <-QUOTE}

One thinks of a term, hmm, what is it now, oh yes, "vested interest."

[ronjor]

See this post. (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=1005599&postcount=24) Thread is closed.