Comodo Aquires BoClean!

[Mele20]

This sure surprised me:

"Today Comodo Acquired BOClean (www.nsclean.com) . One of the oldest and most respected Anti Trojan companies around.

BOClean has a very effective engine and more importantly top notch expertise and people in the field...."
http://forums.comodo.com/index.php?topic=7549.0;topicseen

BoClean will be free. Sounds good...but...I have a bad feeling about it. I do hope the McAleaveys got a great price. They certainly deserve that.

[KikiBibi]

-{ Quote: "Sounds good...but...I have a bad feeling about it." }-
yeah me too.

[Meriadoc]

-{ Quote: ""Today Comodo Acquired BOClean..."" }-
Thats abit of a shocker, must be a good deal for the owner , so what makes it a good deal for the user, like to have a quote from nsclean now.

[Inspector Clouseau]

I wish Kevin many luck, he surely will need it :ouch:

[Mele20]

How will this affect the legal status of BoClean as operating as a "private club" which afforded it great protection from intimidation from malware owners? This protection under New York law was the reason BoClean never offered a trial version or free version. At least that is my understanding. I'm not an attorney but it would appear this protection is now lost. How well, and for how long, will Comodo fight the malware owners that want an "accomodation" from the now free BoClean to look the other way, etc? Comodo is in the position to monetarily resist such pressure but will they?

[Antarctica]

Surely disappointing and sad.:'( But Security it's no different from other businesses, the big fish eats the small ones.:(

[trjam]

I predicted, and I hate it was right, that 2007 would be the year that the smaller vendors would have problems staying afloat. Especially in the AT segment. Wow, is all I can say, but you have to do what you feel is in your best interest in the long run.

[trjam]

It also says they are going to make it a free product.>:(

[JimIT]

W.O.W.

[gates]

well nothing stays forever.

This was in sight and again one good software is going to down. :(

[strangequark]

a bit of a shock, didn't see this one coming,
what will be missed is probably the best support around.

[aigle]

Now I really wonder if Comodo products will remain free forever.
I am not sure but I think BOClean could have better choices too, not sure at all! May be they decided so as Comodo is promising to keep it free.

[CJsDad]

All the best to Kevin and Nancy, thanks for the great support.
I seriously hope BOClean stays as is, I've had the program for about a year and a half now but who knows what the future holds with Comodo.
This sucks but as the old saying goes....Money talks.

[the insider]

Instead of "having bad feelings" or "guessing" : let's give the new owners at least the benefit of the doubt ok ? :) I can understand the people who once paid good money for this app feel disappointed, but this is just the way it goes .... maybe in the near future everybody will benefit from this deal with a new, free and good app ?

[Rilla927]

I don't understand, why would you pay money to buy out BOClean and then turn around and make it free? What am I missing here?

[Seer]

Hello Rilla927 :)

Comodo explains this free concept here (http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/whyfree.html?currency=EUR&region=Europe&country=CS).

[ronjor]

Several off topic posts removed. No other posts discussing other members will be allowed here.

[Old Monk]

-{ Quote: "Several off topic posts removed. No other posts discussing other members will be allowed here." }-

Sorry Ronjor. Curiousity sometimes gets the better of some of us :)

[MaB69]

I'm really sad to read this astonishing news and i hope that Kevin and Nancy will continue to control the evolution of their product.

Is it a bad news ? we have to wait and see how Comodo will deal with nsclean products

[EraserHW]

-{ Quote: "I wish Kevin many luck, he surely will need it :ouch:" }-

yes, me too. I still can't figure out how is this acquisition possible sincerely :blink:

[Longboard]

OOOOoooohhh :-\
Well feck me.

Where will this lead to ?? :(
Feeling like a little rock of certainty has been pulled out from under me.

Watch and wait.
How will this work?

OK: I've trusted Kevin and Nancy to now: just have to wait and see.

Would have paid double for BOClean if that was the problem.

[CJsDad]

It would have been nice to at least inform the BOClean customers that a change was about to happen.

[Rilla927]

-{ Quote: "Hello Rilla927 :)

Comodo explains this free concept here (http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/whyfree.html?currency=EUR&region=Europe&country=CS)." }-
Ya, I've seen that. I find it hard to believe. This is sad news indeed.

Eraser summed it up nicely.

[Wake2]

Dunno why but I am shocked at this news,
wish Kevin and Nancy best of luck with
this transition, but sure don't know
what this means for the future of BOC,
or for current BOC users guess time
will tell.

Wake

[se7engreen]

I wonder what will happen to BoClean's corporate customers.

-{ Quote: "Feeling like a little rock of certainty has been pulled out from under me." }-

Couldn't have said it any better!

[WSFuser]

is this for real and could I finally try BoClean without buying it? http://e.deviantart.com/emoticons/f/faint.gif

[Don Pelotas]

Not a big surprise, however considering who they sold out to............BOClean is off my pc for good. I hope Kevin and Nancy got a fair price and can now take a breather. :)

[poirot]

Like so many here i am bewildered,astounded and sad for these developments and i agree with Longboard: it is as if a certainty was abruptly taken away from me.
This is-if history will repeat itself-much worse than the feeling i had with the Sygate-Symantec affair.
I also sincerely agree with all those who thought Kevin deserved it-if it is a good deal for him- and i ,too,wish him and Nancy all the best, hoping
BC can still be my preferred program also for the near future.

[Trooper]

I suppose time will tell if it was the right move. Right now I have mixed opinions about it.

[Escalader]

I am not directly impacted by this personally (yet) but I'm wondering if this is going the way of Checkpoint buying out the ZoneAlarm brand. Hopefully not.

Is this the emergence of yet another suite?

What do all you Comodo and Boclean predict will happen here?

It sounds as if Boclean was a very small niche player with 2 very respected owner support people, maybe they got burned out and bought out? It happens.

I hope it works out for the users as well for once. A test for Comodo for sure.

[dadkins]

So, maybe I can finally try it and see what all the hub bub was about.
I'm not too keen on buying something sight-unseen - so I never went for it.
Return policy my butt!
TRIALS sell products!

No trial for all this time = no sales from MANY people! ... like ME!

We shall see...

[Londonbeat]

-{ Quote: "I hope Kevin and Nancy got a fair price and can now take a breather. :)" }-

Agreed, Kevin and Nancy worked very hard and deserve a well-earned break. :)

Nearly every piece of malware I've submitted to BOClean has 99% of the time been released in the next update, usually in just a matter of hours, if Comodo treat this the same way they treat their antivirus then I predict an atrocious drop in the speed/processing of malware samples, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[trjam]

Kevin and Nancy, enjoy your money and your lives. You created it and are entitled to enjoy what it brought you. Amen.:)

[the Tester]

WOW!
This is unexpected!
I haven't read anything from the McAleavey's about this yet.
I'm not worried about it yet.As long as Kevin & Nancy are in charge of BOClean.

[Nancy_McAleavey]

Hello everyone,

Thanks so much for your good wishes. It was a long and hard decision for us to make, for us and our customers. I feel that the best possible choice was made.

Support of existing users will continue. There is now an analysis group dedicated to supporting BOClean, so you can continue to expect the same level of update support as you've had in the past. Comodo shares the same commitment as PSC in fighting malware, regardless of consequences. I foresee nothing substationally changing for BOClean users.

Kevin will be able to, with all the resources now available to him at Comodo, to make BOClean everything we always wished we had the time and resources for.

[cheater87]

Can this be used to replace Avast Home??

[Inspector Clouseau]

-{ Quote: "Can this be used to replace Avast Home??" }-

Sure, you can try all things, some of them only once ::)

[aigle]

-{ Quote: "Can this be used to replace Avast Home??" }-
It,s not an AV. It,s an anti-trojan, antispyware type thingie.

[AnthonyG]

-{ Quote: "Not a big surprise, however considering who they sold out to............BOClean is off my pc for good. I hope Kevin and Nancy got a fair price and can now take a breather. :)" }-
I have sort of lost track of Comodo since trialling OA's Firewall on my system and thus removing Comodo from my system late last year.

But I am curious (and somewhat perplexed) as to what Comodo seem to have done which has caused the wrath of so many highly respected malware experts who have posted in this thread?.

Can someone possibly shed some light as to what exactly has occurred with Comodo?.

As when I used their Firewall it did have some slight problems with forgetting previously accepted and blocked outbound access settings. But other than that I found it to be an excellent and trustworthy product.

Has this now changed?.

Thanks
Anthony

[rdsu]

Nice step from Comodo, to make a good improvement on their anti-malware program and acquire people with very good knowledge on this area... :)

[cheater87]

Oh. I'll just stick with Avast then.

[optigrab]

-{ Quote: "...I am curious (and somewhat perplexed) as to what Comodo seem to have done which has caused the wrath of so many highly respected malware experts who have posted in this thread..." }-I am wondering this myself.

I received such value from a one-time purchase of BOClean in 2002, that I feel I've been using it on borrowed time. I'm not about to remove it from my machine anytime soon. Even if it is diminished a small bit by this change (remains to be seen), it is certainly still worth keeping. But I do think the support provided by Kevin and Nancy will be difficult to match.

[JerryM]

I have seen many posts that recommended Comodo as an excellent firewall, and am surprised at the sudden difference in the attitude toward that company. What has happened?
If Comodo was a great free firewall, then why can BoClean not also be as good as always even though now a part of that company?

I would, at this time, accept Nancy's assessment of the future.

Best,
Jerry

[rdsu]

-{ Quote: "I have seen many posts that recommended Comodo as an excellent firewall, and am surprised at the sudden difference in the attitude toward that company. What has happened?" }-
Because making a Firewall is very different of making an AV... ;)

[Pedro]

-{ Quote: "I have seen many posts that recommended Comodo as an excellent firewall, and am surprised at the sudden difference in the attitude toward that company. What has happened?
If Comodo was a great free firewall, then why can BoClean not also be as good as always even though now a part of that company?

I would, at this time, accept Nancy's assessment of the future.

Best,
Jerry" }-
Some want to pay regardless, others hate Comodo for some reason, that escapes me.

[rdsu]

-{ Quote: "Some want to pay regardless, others hate Comodo for some reason, that escapes me." }-
Yep... :D

[strangequark]

I feel much better after reading Nancy's post and have no reason to doubt anything she says. At least they didn't follow the DCS pattern of closing and not allowing anyone else access to their software.
Long live Boclean.

[GES/POR]

Aigle: "So when can I download Comodo BoClean?"

Melih:"we are hoping for sometime next week."

[Perman]

Hi, folks: The acquisition of BoClean by Comodo may be,IMO, very different from Ewido by AVG or ZA by Checkpoints. Why? Because Comodo's CEO has stated very clearly(hope i am not sidetracked here) that BoClean will be free soon. If they purchase it not for future financial gain, they may have a very bold or innovative vision, that yet is to be unearthed. Very interesting indeed, we may very well drop our jaws when THE NEWS finally divulge. Just keep our eyes and ears open.

[sukarof]

I think this is really cool.
Personally I have a good feeling about this. But Earth is trembling over at broadband report too. Some people moan like the two old men in the muppet show Anything new is bad. ;D
What about trying not to jump on to conclusions until having some facts to work with?

[Don Pelotas]

-{ Quote: "Because making a Firewall is very different of making an AV... ;)" }-
It certainly is..........
-{ Quote: "Some want to pay regardless, others hate Comodo for some reason, that escapes me." }-
If you're referring to me, then i do not hate them at all, i simply do not trust them. If we should look at the bright side then maybe the BOClean acquisition will enable Comodo AV to get up to an 80% detectionrate in the next couple of years. ;)

You're right about one thing though, generally i prefer to pay for AV's/AT's etc, the very reason BOClean was sold probably has a lot to do with the fact that they kind of cornered themselves with the onetime fee promiss, which can't keep a malware app based on signatures effective for long these days. :)

[Pedro]

-{ Quote: "
If you're referring to me, then i do not hate them at all, i simply do not trust them. If we should look at the bright side then maybe the BOClean acquisition will enable Comodo AV to get up to an 80% detectionrate in the next couple of years. ;)

You're right about one thing though, generally i prefer to pay for AV's/AT's etc, the very reason BOClean was sold probably has a lot to do with the fact that they kind of cornered themselves with the onetime fee promiss, which can't keep a malware app based on signatures effective for long these days. :)" }-
I wasn't refering to you personally, but lots of people. Most are the same that refer to "comodo fanboys" (whatever that means).
Personally i like the fact that they offer all this for free, and try to offer the best, answering questions, considering requests, etc. They do more for their users, that pay nothing, than many companies selling software, who should pay more attention to their customers.

Your answer is clear, thank you for that. You don't trust them, it's you right evidently. I'd like to hear your reasons though, even though you're not obligated.

Your reasoning regarding one time fee is most logical. I like that too.

[Adric]

-{ Quote: "I feel much better after reading Mary's post and have no reason to doubt anything she says. At least they didn't follow the DCS pattern of closing and not allowing anyone else access to their software.
Long live Boclean." }-

I know that a lot of people like to keep thier information under wraps, but since you mentioned a post from one of the developers/owners would you mind supplying a link to what you are referring to?

Al

[Mele20]

Did any of you who are so excited about BoClean being free now, and Dadkins you are included, read my second post here? You note that Nancy has not addressed that issue and it was that NY court ruling that had enabled BoClean to be so great (aside from the outstanding support) in detection without the worry of lawsuits, pressure, threats, etc. from the sleazeballs. BoClean is now no longer a private club. Its new owners will be slamned with all the sleaze that Alex Ekleberry of Counterspy (Sunbelt Products) has spoken so eloquently about at dslreports, in his blogs and in private emails to me. I simply don't trust Comodo to stand up to the sleaze. Even if they want to it will be difficult.

As for Comodo, I tried their firewall last September and found it to be the worst firewall I have tried. I didn't get any help either when Comodo froze my computer on reboot when completing the install. I got a lot of bombastic blather from Melih and finger pointing at Wayne of DiamondCS. It really stunned me that anyone would create a firewall that did not allow the user to configure it before it ran. That stupidity alone makes me think anything from Comodo is junk.

At least Comodo didn't get their paws on ProcessGuard. I prefer the current status of PG to it ever being acquired by such a (to put it politely) questionable company.

I still wish Kevin and Nancy all the best but I will not go near anything from Comodo. I have witnessed the behavior of their CEO on several occasions and based on that, I want nothing to do with his company.

[rdsu]

Oh my...

[Pedro]

You prefered BOClean disapeared like PG, without a trace, not giving a crap about you? Ok. The world really is diverse.
What do you mean by
-{ Quote: "NY court ruling that had enabled BoClean to be so great (aside from the outstanding support) in detection without the worry of lawsuits, pressure, threats, etc. from the sleazeballs." }-
Could you please elaborate? I'm not aware of this, this is new to me, and i don't understand. A link would suffice. Thanks.

[egghead]

-{ Quote: "So, maybe I can finally try it and see what all the hub bub was about.
I'm not too keen on buying something sight-unseen - so I never went for it.
Return policy my butt!
TRIALS sell products!

No trial for all this time = no sales from MANY people! ... like ME!

" }-

......and me, said this philosopher ::)

[twl845]

I don't know what Comodo's plans are for Boclean, but I would imagine they're going to expand their capabilities for the better. I too don't know where the sudden negative attitude towards Comodo is coming from. It wasn't too long ago they were praised as the greatest thing since sliced bread. I have been a user for quite a few months, and think the firewall is great. No problems. I was not a Boclean user, but I'm sure it's a great app. However, I'm not going to install it now just because it's going to be free.

[JimmyD]

-{ Quote: "
At least Comodo didn't get their paws on ProcessGuard. I prefer the current status of PG to it ever being acquired by such a (to put it politely) questionable company." }-

Questionable company??? That's hilarious considering the ZERO credibility/ethics that DiamondCS has.

[WSFuser]

-{ Quote: "I'm not aware of this, this is new to me, and i don't understand. A link would suffice. Thanks." }-
atm i cannot find a link for "PSC Newsletter....Friday, 13 May 2005" but heres a quote:
-{ Quote: "BOCLEAN GETS SUED FOR "RESTRAINT OF TRADE"

In the summer of 2000, the NETBUS trojan was sold to a Florida Corporation who decided to resell Netbus as "a legitimate remote administration tool." When they learned that BOClean was detecting the Netbus trojan as "Netbus trojan" their lawyers took action against Privacy Software Corporation, demanding a "cease and desist" on our detection of Netbus. Our corporate lawyer and our management contested the assertion, and prior to trial came to a settlement with the dealer (now defunct) which determined that BOClean would be provided with a "Do NOT detect Netbus" option in order to stop BOClean from detecting Netbus *IF* the end user so desired. A legal precedent was also set under New York jurisdiction (we're a New York Corporation legally) by this settlement which was upheld by the courts. Our "option" to NOT detect at the discretion of the end user was an "adequate remedy" under New York State law, and BOClean is governed by same.

BECAUSE we were not a "common carrier" in that there is no "evaluation copy" available to the "general public" BOClean is seen legally as a "subscriber service" and our decisions to cover or NOT cover certain malware is legally seen as a "service" rather than an obligation and thus legally, because we do NOT offer "to the general public," we are a "private club" and thus entitled to ANY discrimination "on behalf of our subscribers" as WE see fit. Netbus therefore had no legal standing to challenge our decision. AND, because we agreed in a settlement to place the "Do NOT detect Netbus" in our configuration screen, the embarassment of the "this is bad, but ignore it" display in our product only served to bury Netbus as a "legitimate remote administration tool."

The outcome is there is already legal precedent for BOCLEAN under the law, and whereas other antimalware had surrendered to bogus legal claims (but eventually relented after we won the decision) and dropped the detection of malware, BOCLEAN is under no such legal obligation. We act on behalf of our "subscribers" BECAUSE there are no "free to the general public" releases of BOClean. THAT provision is what keeps everybody safe even if it costs us "easy sales."" }-

[LoneWolf]

All the best to Kevin and Nancy.Top notch app,top notch support.I just hope it stays that way.Be nice if they were staying on to help further develop BOClean to much greater heights. Well I guess its in the hands of Comodo now.Please,please Comodo don't screw this up.

[JimmyD]

-{ Quote: "Be nice if they were staying on to help further develop BOClean to much greater heights. " }-

From what I've read, Kevin IS staying on. He now works for Comodo.

[Pedro]

-{ Quote: "atm i cannot find a link for "PSC Newsletter....Friday, 13 May 2005" but heres a quote:" }-
Thank you, I now get it:thumb:
It seems very american law'ish;D
Maybe the world is already screwed up like that all around...

[LoneWolf]

-{ Quote: "From what I've read, Kevin IS staying on. He now works for Comodo." }-

That would be good news.

[Mongol]

According to a post at DSL Forums quoting the CEO at Comodo Kevin and Nancy will continue on with BO Clean and will get even more resources to keep its development going. This posting can be found 3/4th's of the way down the page at: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075683~start=40 and is posted by Ryan... :o ;) He provides a link to the Comodo Forums where Melih is quoted. Maybe the world will keep spinning after all...;D

[strangequark]

-{ Quote: "I know that a lot of people like to keep thier information under wraps, but since you mentioned a post from one of the developers/owners would you mind supplying a link to what you are referring to?

Al" }-
Sorry not keeping any information under wraps, the post from Nancy is in this very thread, try page two.

[Metal425]

Woot,free Boclean :)

[JimIT]

-{ Quote: "Sorry not keeping any information under wraps, the post from Mary is in this very thread, try page two." }-

Who is "Mary"?

[strangequark]

-{ Quote: "Who is "Mary"?" }-

Hmmm, who said Mary, ok ok Nancy then if you want to be picky.
Don't you just hate that, but then as the famous bard said " what's in a name";D
As for mary, JC's mum as the story goes :P

[danny9]

-{ Quote: "I think this is really cool.
Personally I have a good feeling about this. But Earth is trembling over at broadband report too. Some people moan like the two old men in the muppet show Anything new is bad. ;D
What about trying not to jump on to conclusions until having some facts to work with?" }-

I've used BOClean for about 5 years now.
One of the very few programs I trusted to do, what it says it will do.
Most buyouts result in a so so product.
Some that come to mind are
Giant anti spyware, Sygate firewall, Ewido and Kerio firewall.
Not the same anymore.
The new companys bend it, twist it and try to incorporate it into their own programs causing many to lose that edge of effectiveness that they used to hold on their own.
Some posters here have already said BOClean is coming off their computers.
I'll take a wait and see attitude for now but I seriously think we've seen the end of BOClean as we knew it.
I'd be curious to know why you think it's a good idea when according to your signiture, you don't use it?
Because it's free now?
No offense intended, just curious. 8)

[Nancy_McAleavey]

-{ Quote: "It would have been nice to at least inform the BOClean customers that a change was about to happen." }-

Unfortunately the business law in the US does not allow that.

In fact, we've been at this for months along with struggling to stay afloat. I have talked to almost every company in the business. Only two others pursued this beyond blowing me off. One decided it would "be too expensive to integrate it" into their product, the other claimed they are "already doing this" though we know they aren't. Since there's nondisclosures with both as well signed during negotiations I will not name names.

[mikel108]

-{ Quote: "Hello everyone,

Thanks so much for your good wishes. It was a long and hard decision for us to make, for us and our customers. I feel that the best possible choice was made.

Support of existing users will continue. There is now an analysis group dedicated to supporting BOClean, so you can continue to expect the same level of update support as you've had in the past. Comodo shares the same commitment as PSC in fighting malware, regardless of consequences. I foresee nothing substationally changing for BOClean users.

Kevin will be able to, with all the resources now available to him at Comodo, to make BOClean everything we always wished we had the time and resources for." }-


I am happy that you are having success...I just wish that I would have known a few days ago when I finally purchased it, that I wouldn't have.

Thank Goodness for your 30 day refund policy.

[FanJ]

-{ Quote: "
In fact, we've been at this for months along with struggling to stay afloat. I have talked to almost every company in the business. Only two others pursued this beyond blowing me off. One decided it would "be too expensive to integrate it" into their product, the other claimed they are "already doing this" though we know they aren't. Since there's nondisclosures with both as well signed during negotiations I will not name names." }-

Hi Nancy,

First of all congrats with "staying afloat" !!!
You and Kevin deserve it.
I do wish you two all the very best !!!!!

Everyone is talking about BOClean.
But there are also other programs from PSC: IEClean, NSClean, FileVac.
I understand that they are now also acquired by Comodo.
I know that this might not be the right moment to ask (sorry!), but will they too be supported?

Wishing you and Kevin from the bottom of my heart all the very best, and with lots of thanks for all your absolutely great support during so many years,
Most warmest regards

[azumi21]

-{ Quote: "Unfortunately the business law in the US does not allow that.

In fact, we've been at this for months along with struggling to stay afloat. I have talked to almost every company in the business. Only two others pursued this beyond blowing me off. One decided it would "be too expensive to integrate it" into their product, the other claimed they are "already doing this" though we know they aren't. Since there's nondisclosures with both as well signed during negotiations I will not name names." }-

Thank you for not giving up!

I look forward to your future products with more resources behind you.

[Meriadoc]

-{ Quote: "In fact, we've been at this for months along with struggling to stay afloat." }-
Then I'm glad that you got your deal, you made it to 10 yrs so good luck in the next.
Reading the post at Comodo, it says BoClean and the other titles will get all the resources needed - congrats and regards:thumb:

[Firecat]

I really do not see how Comodo is at fault here. Comodo agreed to the acquisition because they obviously felt NSClean's staff are skilled and would come of use to Comodo. Personally, I do not see BOClean disintegrating anytime soon. All of Kevin's staff is still here, and now they've got even more people working. BOClean will at least maintain its current efficiency.

The point of whom it should have been sold to is moot. The acquisition is done and NSClean did what they thought best. If you really think Grisoft and Comodo are "large, faceless" corporations then you need to realise that in the grand scale Grisoft and Comodo itself are very small companies. Such alliances are for the best, not for killing good products.

AVG didn't exactly rape Ewido did they? They made an AVG paint job, allowed Ewido full access to AVG's sample database (unconfirmed but most likely true), allowed them to continue retaining their current focus, and also allowed the lifetime licenses to be honoured. To be honest, I think grisoft has done an excellent job with Ewido.

As for Comodo, sure they are not very experienced, but I highly doubt this acquisition will degrade BOClean's quality. Time will tell, though. Nancy and Kevin, its good to see that you have now got the resources needed. In the end, good things will always happen to good people. ;)

[Kevin McAleavey]

Back in 1998, Privacy Software (Nancy and I) birthed a product called BOClean. At the time, we did so for free as a new breed of Windows "virus" called "backdoors" emerged in mass quantities and were constructed in such a way that any non-technical "script kiddie" could readily take over the machines of innocent people and gain complete control of them. And while "Back Orifice" or "BO" was what we based our name on, there were earlier ones and we were absolutely dismayed to read that the traditional antivirus companies *refused* to cover them because they weren't "file infectors" or traditional "viruses."

When we tried to explain to them that these were even worse than "viruses," our commentaries fell on the deaf ears of an entire industry which was still applying the computer solutions of the early 1980's when the internet didn't yet exist as we know it in the middle of the 1990's. We gave the 1.0 version of BOClean away for free as a service to our existing NSClean and IEClean customers because we fully expected the antivirus industry to come to their senses soon and this "BOClean" would end up being a "novelty product" much the same as other "crisis solution" freebies we've done over the years such as "SockLock," "HTAStop" and others. BOY were WE wrong! :(

As time trudged on, some of these were picked up by the antiviruses, most were not. Other malware known as "spyware" came along and various antivirus-like "file scanners" arose to meet the need to about the same level of quality as that of the antiviruses. Folks became accustomed to "scanning their files" after the fact whereas we saw the need for something a bit more proactive in stopping them as soon as they began to run with an emphasis on studying the authors of the malware and their traits in order to do our very best to catch their "next move" before they made it. We also realized that hiring up people to help us do this as the number of these began to creep up became necessary and thus we had to convert BOClean from a free product to one that would bring in revenue to pay for additional people.

For BOClean to be useful and not shut off as most "file scanners" were typically required a very unique design. It had to be very lightweight, light on resources and yet had to be "zero touch" as far as the "desktop users" went. Our original customers were corporate "IT" departments who wanted to install this on their desktops to take care of "trojans" and other "malware" automatically since it became rather costly to deploy people to do this manually across organizations. But if we followed the traditional methods, BOClean would have become as unwieldy as most AVs and in the real world, many people do shut off or fail to update their antiviruses and end up with no protection at all.

As time went on, "stealth" methods became very popular among the various malcontents and since antiviruses were based on simple file pattern matching or at best "heuristics" and "unpacking engines," they improved somewhat but still were easily gotten around at the file detection level as a result of many obscuring techniques. However, when bad stuff actually went to run, it had to be resolved in memory to that which could actually run. We designed BOClean to catch whatever got past "active guards" and other techniques of the antiviruses after the antivirus/scanner programs already had their chance and let it run anyway.

In the past couple of years, a literal explosion of malware has occurred. More and more resources were required in order to maintain our original promises, yet revenue kept declining. Our corporate customers also were subject to tightening of IT budgets and since the AV's were doing more than they were before, sales began falling off in the past few years because their own budgets forced them to buy one product and if machines still got hosed, the solution was to just wipe the drive entirely.

And so, we got trapped between more and more nasties every day and less and less money coming in. It eventually hit a point this past year where I was working between 28 and 40 hours in a single shift, catching some sleep and going back at it again struggling to keep up. In the meantime, BOClean itself has languished from a lack of time to add improvements and new features. FORTUNATELY, the existing BOClean has continued to work adequately to continue doing its job. But it needs work, it needs new code and "Vista" was the straw that broke our back.

Nancy has already explained that we tried to shop BOClean around to a number of companies who make "file scanners" of various sorts however our own design is SO unique that many just didn't get it and the few that did understand what we are doing were too concerned about the potential cost of "intergrating" BOClean into their existing products without even examining its innards and understanding them.

When we were first approached by COMODO, I have to admit that I was swayed by the opinions of the so-called "experts" and was quite skeptical of them when they expressed interest in working with us, partnering, or perhaps acquiring BOClean themselves. In fact, it wasn't until I MET Melih in person that I came to realize just how WRONG the judgements of COMODO among the public in these forums truly are.

I grew up in the Bronx. I can spot a "sidewalk act" a mile away. My own background is in electronics engineering. So is Melih's. Anyone who's been angered by my "off the cuff" remarks over the years should realize that "uber-geeks" may not be the ones you want out in public talking about technical stuff because the tendency of personalities such as my own are "I don't have time for bullsquirt" and it's sometimes very hard to take some concepts and get them across without coming off like some arrogant, condescending "know it all." Lord knows I've done that too often myself.

What I found in Melih is someone with a GENUINE commitment to always doing the right thing for everybody but we both march to our own drummers and can be rather awkward in getting a point across without likely insulting someone fully meaning not to. I also found that Melih is VERY sincere in using his resources for highly altruistic purposes just like I did when I had money coming in. I *fully* believe in Melih and COMODO and I believe anyone who believes in Nancy and I should step back, give us a chance for a little while and see if you're not as surprised as I am.

COMODO's products are new and in a constant state of improvement. Melih asked me to come aboard to not only continue to maintain BOClean, but also to assist in greatly improving their antivirus product until it is as well-regarded as BOClean has been and then from there, make it better than ANY other "file scanner." Melih also has committed to KEEPING BOClean the same concept that it always has been, and a SEPARATE option for COMODO users. Instead of a "suite," Melih and I have agreed to allow folks to choose whatever they feel they need from a smorgasbord of what makes THEM feel comfortable for their own needs. In other words, BOClean will REMAIN as it is, it will only improve. And finally I will be able to get back to all of that code I've wanted to write to bring BOClean forward. At the same time, I now get a collection of extremely talented analysts who will be working directly for ME. This in turn will change BOClean's once or twice a day updates to probably hourly or perhaps even more often.

And COMODO's antivirus will also be MY responsibility along with a separate group of analysts and some very seriously talented programmers and will take off in an entirely new direction from that of traditional antiviruses just as BOClean did eight years ago. People have become used to relying on 1980's solutions and more and more people and companies seem to think there's a gold mine in yet another scanner. What I'm bringing to COMODO and they're going to give me the resources to accomplish will be a TRUE eye-opener.

Dealing with nasties AFTER the fact is as tired as 1980's music. Solutions to keep from getting infected with anything bad is what this entire industry SHOULD have been doing in the 90's and it's sad to see that the same old tired stuff remains the answer today. I'm VERY pleased and confident after several days with Melih and my new teams that the best is yet to come. And SOON! At least as soon as we can put together the new code that's been sitting into a 4.23 ... if there were actually any earth-shattering changes, I'd bet COMODO would want to call it 5.something!

So for anyone that's still doubting, I wouldn't have "stepped in it" if I didn't have ABSOLUTE faith in WHO and WHAT I'm stepping in. Give us a few weeks, a few months ... I'm staking my reputation and my LIFE on all this. And for the wangers and doubters, get over yerselves. I finally get to EAT again! :)

Seriously, folks ... there will be *no* downside!

[Firecat]

It is very nice to hear your thoughts, Kevin. I did, however, have one question: Why is Comodo AV having a separate team of analysts working under you? Wouldn't it be best to unify all the analysts and have them work on both BOClean and CAV?

I'm still young and do not have the slightest experience in management, but I would appreciate it if someone could answer why. :)

I have full faith in your's and Melih's commitment to security. No doubt the next few years will bring some sweeping changes in the industry. :)

[Meriadoc]

-{ Quote: "Seriously, folks ... there will be *no* downside!" }-
Thanks for the post, look forward to seeing what comes out of this - good luck.

[R. Morris]

I don't speak for Kevin but I believe this is a great move and will benefit
us all.
Comodo should be congratulated on both their acquisition of the program and
the programmer.
Their products and customers will certainly benefit from this coup as will
the BOClean customers.
Full disclosure: Former BOClean affiliate
;-)

~catseyenu~

[danny9]

Kevin, Thanks for the post
I have to admit I am one of the doubters.
Not many programs go to a new co. and retain their excellence or improve.
Nancy and yourself have always been upfront and honest with us.
If you say you will be in charge and keep it the same and even improve it, I'll believe you as well as anyone else who has known you through the years.
I am happy for the both of you and wish you much future success!
Now, go have that dinner, you deserve it!!8)

[LoneWolf]

-{ Quote: "BOClean will REMAIN as it is" }-

Thank you Kevin,that makes me feel alot better.

[Kevin McAleavey]

-{ Quote: "It is very nice to hear your thoughts, Kevin. I did, however, have one question: Why is Comodo AV having a separate team of analysts working under you? Wouldn't it be best to unify all the analysts and have them work on both BOClean and CAV?

I'm still young and do not have the slightest experience in management, but I would appreciate it if someone could answer why. :)

I have full faith in your's and Melih's commitment to security. No doubt the next few years will bring some sweeping changes in the industry. :)" }-

Thanks for the kind words, and from what I've seen and discussed across a good part of the various COMODO people is that the major "sweeping" changes will be sooner, rather than later. The situation with having a separate team for BOClean and the antivirus at this early point is that BOClean is so completely different from the "file-scan" mentality that we don't do any of the things that antiviruses do. AV's, AT's and AS's focus on the FILE system whereas BOClean focuses on system memory and the kernel. It's an entirely different direction from "file-scanning" and what I need to do at this point is get the analysis monkey off my back so that I can return to code work and have people just as competent at it as we have been all these years.

Meanwhile, the AV people are going about things within the realm of that great old 1980's mindset that folks believe in and what the BOClean folks do and what the AV people do are that intrinsically different. For now, the priority is making certain that BOClean doesn't slip nor does the AV. COMODO now has access to all of the samples WE'VE been collecting so everyone is looking at and getting the same stuff but each "product" goes about handling these in different ways. Eventually, everyone will be able to do it both ways and be completely interchangeable but for now, the BOClean way is kind of a shock for folks who are used to the traditional means.

Internally, everything will indeed be shared with some people looking at a nasty one way, the others looking for other things and between the two "disciplines" both products will complement one another. The ability to do things this way is just one of MANY things I truly appreciate about what COMODO is willing to let me do. And there are many more new directions which will come of all of this as well which I'm not at liberty to discuss. I'm dead serious though, the best is yet to come and I see COMODO rapidly inching its way to the only thing anyone will ever need. We're not there yet, but we WILL be! :)

Anyhoo, my plate right now is more full than it was a week ago, but there's FOOD in the fridge! Please forgive me all if I don't have much time for the forums in the coming days of transition ... but the good news is once I get all these gears meshed, I'm gonna be here to hang out and have FUN again like I used to be able to do years ago!

[Metal425]

Any news on when the free BoClean is going to be released?

[Kevin McAleavey]

-{ Quote: "Any news on when the free BoClean is going to be released?" }-

OK, one last and then I *have* to get to work and won't be back for a few days. Melih and I *want* to get it out sometime next week, that's the *goal*. I can guarantee that we can do it by then for certain if we completely stop doing malware analysis completely and concentrate solely on that. But it's *MY* call and as always, getting those updates out MUST come first even if it causes a slip in the deadline for another day or three. Sorry, I have a DUTY to ensure that those who PAID for BOClean get the support *I* promised and the updates *I* promised. For those who will be getting it free however, there's a COMODO forum ... question can be asked and tracked over there. My duty right now though is to those who paid and are now unpleasantly surprised. Anyone who's known Nancy and I over the years knows that a promise made is a promise kept and I gotta ensure that doesn't change.

So since I don't speak for COMODO but I *do* speak for BOClean, as soon as humanly possible, it'll be out. I don't believe in releasing duds either. :)

[sukarof]

Thanks for coming in and setting things straight Kevin and Nancy.

-{ Quote: "Most buyouts result in a so so product.
Some that come to mind are
Giant anti spyware, Sygate firewall, Ewido and Kerio firewall.
Not the same anymore.
The new companys bend it, twist it and try to incorporate it into their own programs causing many to lose that edge of effectiveness that they used to hold on their own.
Some posters here have already said BOClean is coming off their computers.
I'll take a wait and see attitude for now but I seriously think we've seen the end of BOClean as we knew it.
" }-

I am just a bit amused that since no one knew the facts they started to bash Comodo (and some Comodo´s CEO as if that has anything to do with how the software works ??? )
I dont think that even Kevin´s explanation will soothe their minds. Once moaning has started it will live its own life on the net. I could too fall into that trap easily, I have one or two things to say about Sunbelt as a company for example, but choose not to since I dont see any point in bash them without clear poof.

-{ Quote: "I'd be curious to know why you think it's a good idea when according to your signiture, you don't use it?
Because it's free now?
No offense intended, just curious" }-

I have read about Boclean functions and heard praise from people I know to know what they are talking about, but I didnt like the "buy before you" try model so I never came round to try it.

[danny9]

-{ Quote: "Thanks for coming in and setting things straight Kevin and Nancy.



I am just a bit amused that since no one knew the facts they started to bash Comodo (and some Comodo´s CEO as if that has anything to do with how the software works ??? )
I dont think that even Kevin´s explanation will soothe their minds. Once moaning has started it will live its own life on the net. I could too fall into that trap easily, I have one or two things to say about Sunbelt as a company for example, but choose not to since I dont see any point in bash them without clear poof.



I have read about Boclean functions and heard praise from people I know to know what they are talking about, but I didnt like the "buy before you" try model so I never came round to try it." }-

Understandable I guess. Others feel the same.
I have tried a few over the yrs. and asked for my money back and have never been disappointed yet.

As far as BOClean, now that Kevin has come forward, I believe him and will wait to see what happens.
Who knows, it might end up to be better then it was.
Time will tell! 8)

[JRCATES]

One thing that I don't recall seeing.....is HOW this "change" is actually going to take place for registered BOClean users who have already paid for the product and have it on their machines.

Will they (we) have to "uninstall their current version, and reinstall a *new* version"?

Or will they continue on as though nothing is different...same files/folders/directories, etc. for BOClean, same installation/copy that is currently on the machine, with the same pattern of updates and email notifications, etc. - basically, business as usual?

[acr1965]

Well this is certainly exciting news. Lot's of people have been asking why Comodo would take over a company like BOClean and then offer the product for free. BOClean certainly will add prestige to the security products offered by Comodo. But that also applies to their OEM sales which will surely increase now.

As for the ones wondering if BOClean's particular legal standing in NY and how that will play out since Comodo has acquired the company, I don't think Comodo will back down from some malware company. Comodo has corporate offices in six countries, they are not some small operation. I am not up to date with federal law but I would be surprised if a malware company could still skirt around legal definitions and get away with the same legal threats that they were able to make a few years back. The laws would seem to be changing in the favor of consumer protection as opposed to malware companies.

Finally, it is nice to see those that run Comodo and BOClean make public announcements and message board posts about what all is going on. It was not long ago that CA took over Tiny Personal Firewall and pretty much turned their noses up at everyone, including those with current subscriptions- no support, nothing. Just waited for subscriptions to dry up before doing anything with the product. I think Comodo operates on a higher level than CA- heck most any company operates at a higher level than CA. But anyway, this could turn out really well for all involved.

[danny9]

-{ Quote: "One thing that I don't recall seeing.....is HOW this "change" is actually going to take place for registered BOClean users who have already paid for the product and have it on their machines.

Will they (we) have to "uninstall their current version, and reinstall a *new* version"?

Or will they continue on as though nothing is different...same files/folders/directories, etc. for BOClean, same installation/copy that is currently on the machine, with the same pattern of updates and email notifications, etc. - basically, business as usual?" }-

From what Kevin was saying it does sound like business as usual.
If a new release comes out down the pike it will apply to all of us,
past, present and future users.
Don't forget, we bought our version from a co. that no longer exists.
But I would have gladly paid a yearly subscription fee for BOClean.
I think it was that good.
The new users should be thankful to Comodo to get this program for free now!8)

[strangequark]

-{ Quote: "I would have gladly paid a yearly subscription fee for BOClean.
I think it was that good.
" }-
Me too !

[halcyon]

Interesting. We'll see how this plays out. I wish the best of luck to all at Comodo. They are already changing the fw landscape, I hope this does good for the AT.

One thing puzzles me though: Comodo's business logic is a bit odd.

I know it's possible to do altruistic things as long as the company remains in tight ownership and fairly small.

If it grows, the money grabbers, efficiency optimizers and core competence guys come in.

"What is this what we are doing? Giving away software? It costs dollars to develop! Let's just cut it out."

etc.

Well, let's enjoy the offering as long as it lasts. I don't think anybody can (or should be forced) to offer more.

[Kevin McAleavey]

I *pray* that our forum leaders here won't mind me adding one last piece to all this, I've explained myself to them privately and explained that I'm not here to kiss COMODO ... as Mehli has *already* learned, "MY way or byebye" ... and we AGREED to the righteousness of BOTH of our attitudes towards the reality of this toilet which has become of the "intarwebs" ... we BOTH agree on doing the right thing always (genuine "TRUST") and THAT is why Nancy signed off Privacy Software to COMODO ... we ALL made promises to each other which will be KEPT or *I* am outta there ... though NO worries on MY part, Mehli and I are two peas in a pod ... Seriously! I have absolute faith that what we agreed to, beyond the lawyers, will be HONORED, or I will make *such* a stink! Heh.

The promises BOClean made to our PAYING customers are PARAMOUNT! They WILL be honored ... once BOClean becomes "free" then the usual "accoutrements" of "free" apply. But for those of you who were with us and PAID for BOClean ... rest assured, the level of support you ALWAYS got will not change ... when Nancy and I made promises, they were made with the intent to KEEP them. Mehli understands this, and that won't change. Just want to assure everybody that when 4.23 is released as soon as is possible (STILL doing tonight's update) that for those of you who've been with us for a while, 4.23 will actually give you a LICENCE number which will PROVE the loyalty you've given Nancy and I ... you'll have a LIFETIME serial number which will validate your "past loyalties to PSC" no matter WHAT happens in the future ... and 4.23 *will* be "Vista happy" even if Billy futtbucked the industry after that "bullsquirt release candiate, all WILL work when we ship Vista" nonsense that burned our company to the ground. :(

LEGIT purchaser of BOClean? 4.23 *will* please you! The updater is IN BOClean itself with the "new code" AND ... a few other NICE little anti-rootkit stuff. *I* use BOClean and am testing out "COMODO BOClean antipyware" at this moment ... we just MIGHT get it out last week depending on how insane the ZLOB, VXGAME and OTHER malware is ... last few days, NOTHING NEW! But of course, come Thursdays through the weekends, your mileage may vary.

SERIOUSLY, I'm putting *MY* name on this ... and I wouldn't DARE at the age of 56 now and having little ahead, ruin my reputation. I blow *THIS* and I might as well cast myself out on a damned ice flow. Heh. I take my relationships as seriously as all I've done for everyone all these years. THINK about where I'm putting myself here and yet I do so VOLUNTARILY!

("this MEANS something!" heh)

[Adric]

-{ Quote: "Sorry not keeping any information under wraps, the post from Nancy is in this very thread, try page two." }-

Yikes, I totally missed that post. Sorry, I take it all back. ;D

Al

[BlueZannetti]

-{ Quote: "One thing puzzles me though: Comodo's business logic is a bit odd.... " }-Well, not really. They have provided a brief view of that here (http://forums.comodo.com/index.php/topic,764.0.html). Structurally, it's the style of model followed by many media and other information based companies - revenue is developed as an offshoot of a freely provided service (example - free services + many eyeballs = attractive captive/targeted audience to paid advertisers: i.e. google.com).

It's a structure that has been shown to work in some cases, that doesn't mean it will work in this case, but they might as well be given the opportunity to succeed or fail on the merits of their efforts and execution.

Despite the hand wringing here, people should realize that one other option for PSC was to court the very real risk implosion by being unable to maintain pace with malware. Is that really a better option?

Blue

[Get]

-{ Quote: "But for those of you who were with us and PAID for BOClean ... rest assured, the level of support you ALWAYS got will not change ... when Nancy and I made promises, they were made with the intent to KEEP them. Mehli understands this, and that won't change." }-

Wait and see how it all develops, but having encouraged someone into buying Boclean not so long ago this is good to hear :).

[CJsDad]

-{ Quote: "Unfortunately the business law in the US does not allow that.

In fact, we've been at this for months along with struggling to stay afloat. I have talked to almost every company in the business. Only two others pursued this beyond blowing me off. One decided it would "be too expensive to integrate it" into their product, the other claimed they are "already doing this" though we know they aren't. Since there's nondisclosures with both as well signed during negotiations I will not name names." }-

Thanks for the explanation Nancy.

To Kevin, as a paid user of BOClean and after reading your posts here in this thread you have put my mind at ease. I also would like to thank you for taking your time and explaining this situation in such detail.

[Kevin McAleavey]

-{ Quote: "Despite the hand wringing here, people should realize that one other option for PSC was to court the very real risk implosion by being unable to maintain pace with malware. Is that really a better option?

Blue" }-

Dammit, Blue! (missed having the time to say, "'allo") Reality was that if we were EVER in this for the money, all I can say is that more than four times a week, we've been REPEATLY offered "gane mas dinero" from the SPAMBOT squad to "ignore THIS one" and even "write us rootkits" and such. For all those morons that thought that Nancy and I could ever be "money-whores," OH the US$'s we've been offered over the years to take what we know and go over to the "dark side" ... and from what WE know with BOClean as well as the uselessness of our "competitors," it woulda been *SO* easy ... but still ... we NEVER coulda though we wouldn't have been eating dog food the past couple of years, and I wouldn't have had to declare PERSONAL bankruptcy in order to keep Nancy's company from going down. Some folks wonder WHY I've been so twisted the past couple of years?

KEEPING our promises have cost us dearly. I've always worked my butt off (as has Nancy)...

~ snip ~

I'm ENJOYING these moments of TRUTH, since I *cannot* be sued because well ... I ain't worth SQUAT! Heh. Like back inthe days of that NETBUS bullsuirt before BOClean had an OPTIONAL "excluder" ... WANT Netbus run? EXCLUDE IT! After the first legal qwap, BOClean EVOLVED ... do you really WANT malware running? EXCLUDE it and BOClean will ignore it, so long as YOU say it's OK (along with the mechanisms to say "ignore" at YOUR choice) ...

When NTBUS sued us, we provided an option. When there were MORE, we said "this is INSANE" and provided an EXCLUDE screen wereupon we went WAY past all that legal "netbus" stuff and said "if you REALLY want to run that, EXCLUDE it and made all those arguments bogus YEARS ago. :P

~ snip ~

[fphall]

Well, I for one feel more comfortable after having read the replies from Nancy and Kevin. I trust their judgement and integrity and have no doubt that they will do right by all of the former subscribers. As for BOClean getting better, I'm all for that. I can hardly wait to see what Kevin has is store for us. :-)

[LowWaterMark]

We're back, minus only a few comments. Let's try to stick with discussion of the acquisition itself and not focus on any specific individuals, if it can be helped.

[Get]

-{ Quote: "I also would like to thank you for taking your time and explaining this situation in such detail." }-

Hear hear! I'm not a Boclean-user, but I must say that seeing such involvement with the users even in such a busy/stressfull time alone is almost reason enough to buy it. Alas that's not possible anymore. :shifty:

[Longboard]

-{ Quote: "We're back, minus only a few comments. " }-Well done
This is a huge change and needs to be aired a bit.
Heh: would 've loved to see those "few comments"

I'm very happy to read KMcA's comments and see the commitment.

I hope there is a way out if needed, as implied in Kevin's comments
BOC has been the one constant fixture on my box since I found it.
Not 1000% perfect but pretty darn good tool to have.

I for one would have been willing to cough up an annual levy for BOC: wouldn't have blinked.

If "BOmodo" relationship falls over, I hope K&N and PSC would be able to remodel their business plan and should feel secure.

LOL: look at all the other shite people pay for ;D

[Kevin McAleavey]

-{ Quote: "We're back, minus only a few comments. Let's try to stick with discussion of the acquisition itself and not focus on any specific individuals, if it can be helped." }-

Sorry for the temporary shutdown of the thread, MY fault ... shows you what happens when one has been awake since MONDAY with only 3-5 hours since then and still doing that "pink bunny thing" and getting stupid from lack of sleep.

Bottom line though is I finally got a few days meeting my brothers and sisters at COMODO and once again all I can say is that Melih was ENOUGH of a plesaurable treat ... if you think us "NSClean people" are kewl, the COMODO people are such a NATURAL fit for all of us that I felt RIGHT at home. And for all the wonderful people who've joined US, Melih has TRULY brought together the "BEST of the BEST" and I ain't foolin'!

Words cannot begin to DESCRIBE how GREAT this is going to be once all the poo I flung sticks to the wall! Heh. Seriously ... OUR future is going to be absolutely WONDERFUL! Fear NOT getting some! :)

Meanwhile, I go get me some 22 hours or so "make-up sleep" and apologies once again to Lowwatermark for being stupid due to lack of sleep and THANKS for editing out my stupid. Heh.

[Woody777]

I have never used BoClean but it is encouraging that this security tool will still exist & has found someone that will support it. It is my feeling that there are few free tools which work as well as well developed paid ones. The owners of this tool apparently have a nice product which due to Comodo will now still be available. Looking on the bright side it BoClean may get better & offer a solution to those people who do not want to purchase a trojan suite in addition to an antivirus product. I do use Comodo firewall suffice it to say that it works flawlessly for me. Since these products will be free anyone who has a problems with Comodos offerings can always use another product. Nevertheless I am encouraged by the the fact that Comodo's products are available for anyone for free. Best wishes to all!

[Pedro]

Kevin and Nancy McAleavey, i wasn't aware of what exactly your company was. Heard praises of BOClean, but no trial, just paid once. I was attracted by one time fee, but i couldn't see it before buying.

I now understand why it was like that, and how you operate. It looks like a family company (friends included), and i like that. I missed that info somehow.

If i knew this before, i think i would have bought it. Trust is better achieved like this, at least for me.

I also think you'll get along great with Comodo. You'll get well paid, and be able to offer it for free!
Anyway, hope you all get along great:thumb:

[malformed]

Personally I didn't like the No Trial aspect, but I also didn't have a need for a dedicated AT (or AV/AS for that matter), so it didn't matter much to me. But I look forward to trying what was once forbidden fruit. [Time frame please]

Sorry I didn't read the entire thread, but as BOClean was the bread 'n' butter of PSC, I'll assume all their offerings have been sold to Comodo - Therefore will they all be free? [Sorry, I'm too lazy/busy to read the thread - Please do indulge me]

[mowergun]

I very much appreciate reading posts from Kevin and Nancy. I trust them as I have trusted BOClean, so now instead of worried I feel excited about the changes and improvements that will be coming.

I own two BOClean licenses, but even so I felt like I was not supporting them as they were supporting me because I got the sense from posts that Kevin has made in other forums over the past year or so that he was struggling.

I would love to know what was in the deleted posts.

I like the idea that existing customers will get a special license code. I don't belong to any exclusive clubs, but now I am a member of an exclusive club that no new members can join. Makes me feel special.:D

[poirot]

I also own two BC licenses and -like many here- would have been prepared to pay twice as much for Boclean,if only they had asked or let us know.
After Kevin's explanations i feel much better and i want to believe!

[KikiBibi]

Can't wait to get the special license. :p

[CJsDad]

Official Member of the 2007 Special License Club ;D

Now when do we get this license code?

[the Tester]

Thanks Mr. McAleavey for explaining the Netbus issue and also for putting my mind at ease concerning the future of BOClean.
As a subscriber to BOClean I was happy to read about the priority of updates.
I'm thinking this aquisition may really be a win-win situation for everyone.

[pepim]

-{ Quote: "My duty right now though is to those who paid and are now unpleasantly surprised. Anyone who's known Nancy and I over the years knows that a promise made is a promise kept and I gotta ensure that doesn't change." }-

Yes, I have to admit I am. :-\ I've considered for over a year buying it and just bought it recently.


-{ Quote: "
I'm thinking this aquisition may really be a win-win situation for everyone." }-
I hope you are right.

[strangequark]

-{ Quote: "We're back, minus only a few comments. Let's try to stick with discussion of the acquisition itself and not focus on any specific individuals, if it can be helped." }-

Aw gee, sounds like we missed all the good bits, can't we have just a little look, maybe a few pm's to those willing to pay ;D


-{ Quote: "Yikes, I totally missed that post. Sorry, I take it all back. ;D

Al" }-

No worries, partly my fault I'd been calling Nancy - Mary - in a couple of posts [now corrected]. I had a huge argument on the phone with a woman called Mary who works for the company that's been fixing, or not fixing, my plasma tv for the last 3 months, so I had the name Mary burnt into my brain, I even called my wife Mary .......... now that was a big mistake ::)

[Menorcaman]

-{ Quote: "I even called my wife Mary .......... now that was a big mistake ::)" }-Calling her Gerald (or something similar) would have been an even bigger mistake!! ;D

[trjam]

Before this thread goes off track again, and gets permantly closed, you might want to really pay attention to what LowWaterMark requested of us, and wish the McAleaveys the best of luck and Comodo. I agree with Kevin, give it some time, this may really work out as a benefit to all of us.:)

[cybrguy]

-{ Quote: "
Dealing with nasties AFTER the fact is as tired as 1980's music.

Seriously, folks ... there will be *no* downside!" }-

But I LOVE 1980's music!!! :)

Folks, Kev and Nancy have been the best and most responsive vendors in the industry for a LONG time. Their support is unparalleled. WhenEVER I or one of my clients have had an issue with BOClean (a admittedly rare experience), Kevin would always either point out what we were doing wrong OR FIX THE PROBLEM IMMEDIATELY and include the fix in the next update, never more than HOURS later. Melih has really staged a coup by hiring them on and adding them to their workforce. Not only have they absorbed the premier AT product out there, but they have acquired two of the best tools in the industry, Kevin and Nancy! I wish you two well and hope you got a pile of cash, and look forward to seeing you help this company become the industry leader.
I have been a little reticent to try out Comodo up to now. If Kevin feels that comfortable working with them, I'm sure they are the real deal, and my reticence is history.

[EASTER.2010]

-{ Quote: "Any news on when the free BoClean is going to be released?" }-

Theres actually going to be a "FREE" version of this? I like to know for sure, not that i don't encourage support for World-Class security but this does raise many eyebrows including my own.

Even though i never used it before, i read plenty enough sparkling reports to know it is an extremely formidable program in any fashion.

[pojispear]

i still say you should charge $9.95 or something. there would be little downside to that and more $$$ for you.
-satisfied BOClean user since 2005

[Seer]

I see much interest in free BOClean here already. Giving a quality software for free is the best advertisement you can get and indeed an effective way to attract attention. Comodo sure did earn a substantial amount of money with their free firewall and they will earn even more with BOClean aboard now. I only hope that these two good people from PSC will get their fair revenue.

Cheers.

[EASTER.2010]

Here is the answer to my own question.

http://forums.comodo.com/index.php/topic,7549.msg55203.html#msg55203

[true north]

Nancy and Kevin,

Thank you very much for the great BOClean and your superior support. I wish you all the best for your future.

true north

[EASTER.2010]

Likewise :thumb:

All the best to the original founders of BoClean for an even more successful run and satisfaction for it's users. I'm almost envious because i have heard nothing but positive reports of BoClean and that goes back some years now.
I just wonder if, since COMODO is hinted at a release of it free if it will still remain an independent app as it's always been or might somehow be integrated into the firewall.
What's the concensus on this brand new announcement and present loyal BoClean users as to your expectations how it will now be distributed. Some of us are curious to read YOUR wishes.

[Firecat]

-{ Quote: "Likewise :thumb:

All the best to the original founders of BoClean for an even more successful run and satisfaction for it's users. I'm almost envious because i have heard nothing but positive reports of BoClean and that goes back some years now.
I just wonder if, since COMODO is hinted at a release of it free if it will still remain an independent app as it's always been or might somehow be integrated into the firewall.
What's the concensus on this brand new announcement and present loyal BoClean users as to your expectations how it will now be distributed. Some of us are curious to read YOUR wishes." }-
I believe that Mr.McAleavey has already stated that Comodo/Melih is committed to keeping the current status of BOClean, i.e. it will still be available as an independent product.

[StevieO]

The world will be a safer place now, for Everybody, and for FREE !

All the best to Kevin and Nancy BOClean and Comodo.


StevieO

[GES/POR]

-{ Quote: " For now, the priority is making certain that BOClean doesn't slip nor does the AV. COMODO now has access to all of the samples WE'VE been collecting so everyone is looking at and getting the same stuff but each "product" goes about handling these in different ways. " }-

Are all boclean malware samples added to the comodo av database at the present time?

[GES/POR]

-{ Quote: "
"COMODO BOClean antipyware"
" }-

Will the product continue under this name?

[mowergun]

I have a question. Will BOClean continue to block the installation of rootkits by music CD's and/or DVD's when BOClean is available for free? I remember that Kevin's lawyers would not let him release a free utility to remove the Sony rootkit, but allowed him to include the detection/protection in BOClean that was not free.

I am not asking this question to be a dog in the manger, I ask it for a practical reason.

Some time ago my sister-in-law asked me to copy a music CD for her so that she would have a copy for her car as well as for her home. She said that her computer would not copy it for some reason. When I attempted to copy the CD the copy process failed. Not only did that copy fail, but then I found that I could no longer copy other stuff to CD, not even my own files. I had a feeling that there was something on the music CD that changed my computer to cause the problem. This was well before I heard about rootkits. The problem persisted for some time, but then the problem went away and I could copy stuff to CD again. I did not know why. Then later I heard about the Sony rootkit and I read that BOClean had detected the Sony rootkit for some time before it became news. I cannot confirm this, but I reasoned that my computer returned to normal when detection was added to BOClean for the Sony rootkit.

[john2g]

-{ Quote: "I have a question. Will BOClean continue to block the installation of rootkits by music CD's and/or DVD's when BOClean is available for free? " }-

Yes it will.

[mowergun]

-{ Quote: "Yes it will." }-
Oh good. Thank you.

[EASTER.2010]

I feel a great disturbance in the force, and it's all good.

Thanks for keeping BoClean a renown product. I think this merger is nothing short of fantastic for all involved. How can i comment on a program i never even tried before? Because i have associates and friends alike who never have had to suffer misfortune or lost down-time with it and thats all i ever need to hear.

All the best!

[ThunderZ]

I have sung the praises of BoClean, both product and support before on this Forum. Let us hope we all will be able to continue the song. :D Best wishes to Kevin and Nancy. ;)

[tiptop78]

Best wishes to Nancy and Kevin in their new project.Have been using BoClean for a long while, nice to hear that the paid customers are not forgotten.

[cheater87]

I can't wait to use this to my malware fighting arsenal. ;D

[bazz]

Will it be freeware?
And what if you got an license..? (I don't)

[aigle]

-{ Quote: "I can't wait to use this to my malware fighting arsenal. ;D" }-I can!;D

[Get]

-{ Quote: "Will it be freeware?" }-

Yes, it's been said that Comodo is the owner of Boclean and they have a habbit of giving away their software :).

-{ Quote: "And what if you got an license..?" }-

Boclean's Kevin McAleavey said earlier in this topic: "The promises BOClean made to our PAYING customers are PARAMOUNT! They WILL be honored ... once BOClean becomes "free" then the usual "accoutrements" of "free" apply. But for those of you who were with us and PAID for BOClean ... rest assured, the level of support you ALWAYS got will not change ... when Nancy and I made promises, they were made with the intent to KEEP them. Mehli (the "Comodo-guy", Get) understands this, and that won't change.

[besafe]

So...Now that Boclean is becoming freeware, how many people will put it on their machine? I have long been intrigued by this product, but never enough to pay for it. So now that it is free, I might have to finally try it.

[dadkins]

-{ Quote: "So...Now that Boclean is becoming freeware, how many people will put it on their machine? I have long been intrigued by this product, but never enough to pay for it. So now that it is free, I might have to finally try it." }-

Same.
Although, for some reason - be it I am already covered, or that some of these "things" just do not affect me for whatever reason, I will try it for a while.

I have this BAD aversion about paying for something I cannot test drive first.
Don't care about a return policy... it's the paying before you see part that I'm no good with.
This is why I haven't been able to try this product.
Don't really seem to need it though.

Now, it will be free. Cool!
I just hope that it doesn't go the way of other great products.
Yes, I have read what Kevin has posted... but "S*** Happens".

Giant sure got hosed, huh? :-\

[besafe]

I have never used Boclean, but I have tried Comodo products. They are pretty innovative company, committed to their mission. It wouldn't surprise me to see them improve the product.

As for Ewido being bought by AVG and Giant getting bought by Microsuck...those were probably bad for the consumer. This one though, may just turn out differently. Time will tell...

[dadkins]

Giant got trashed!
Ewido/AVG still works somewhat decently.

Just hate to see any good software get screwed into the weeds after getting bought out.
It happens.

Doesn't matter if I have ever used a product or not, several people I respect use BOClean and if nothing else, I don't want to see THEM get screwed!

We shall see...

[Pedro]

Same people working on it, with more resources, and Kevin McAleavey himself said, he's going to have more time to improve the program, instead of adding signatures etc.
My money is on them, the people.
Giant was bought by Microsoft.
Ewido by AVG, and as Firecat said, and i agree, AVG AS is still a good program. The graphics changed though.

[dadkins]

Didn't Microsoft "get" a few of Giants writers in the deal?
What happened there?
Still died, huh?

I want to believe Kevin, but things have a way fo crapping out anyways... time will tell.

I wish Kevin and Nancy all the best!

[fredra]

-{ Quote: "Didn't Microsoft "get" a few of Giants writers in the deal?
What happened there?
Still died, huh?

I want to believe Kevin, but things have a way fo crapping out anyways... time will tell.

I wish Kevin and Nancy all the best!" }-

WOW!!!
Geez Dadkins.... you are the pessimist ;D ;D ;D ;D
LOL ;D
Cheers :)

[Eldar]

I don't have a problem with BOClean becoming free, since I've used it quite some time without ever paying for upgrades or signatures. :)
Opera also became free after some time, but I already paid for it in the past.
Nonetheless both are worth the money I've paid for it, so I don't mind if it becomes free.

I wish Kevin, Nancy good luck on this new path and knowing Kevin, I'm sure BOClean will still remain an excellent protection tool. :D

Keep up the good work you both. :thumb:

[Velnias]

So, will be free BoClean the same for corporate users too - or they get better one?

[EASTER.2010]

-{ Quote: "So...Now that Boclean is becoming freeware, how many people will put it on their machine? I have long been intrigued by this product, but never enough to pay for it. So now that it is free, I might have to finally try it." }-

I think i share those same sentiments. I paid for plenty of softwares already before BoClean entered my attention back then and even though i knew from all the reviews and positive posts to it that it was definitely top notch, well i just couldn't bring myself to spring for yet another security software license since my protection was adequate enough.

If and when it does go freeware i can assure you now i'll be in that download line.

[JRCATES]

-{ Quote: "Giant got trashed!
Ewido/AVG still works somewhat decently.

Just hate to see any good software get screwed into the weeds after getting bought out.
It happens." }-

Good point. Those area couple of examples, but there are many others as well (some good, some bad)....

-{ Quote: "
Doesn't matter if I have ever used a product or not, several people I respect use BOClean and if nothing else, I don't want to see THEM get screwed!

We shall see..." }-

And I respect you for saying this. So far, most of the people posting in this thread are NOT BOClean users, who are simply happy for themselves because they'll now be getting it for free. But are they really getting the BOClean that users have become accustomed to, used and praised for years?

Like you said...."We shall see...."

[snowbound]

For what it is worth, i,ve been a Boclean user for 4 years now, if i recall right, the first app i ever paid for and the best investment, security wise, i ever made. I have confidence that the previous owners, and the new ones will do the right thing hopefully and continue on with the great support and over all tradition that has been PSC.




snowbound

[EASTER.2010]

I,ve always got an earfull & eyes, full of glowing reviews of BoClean to the point of almost being envious. That goes a few years back i think when i was only on 98. I don't doubt for a moment that it will not only continue at it's high level of confidence for users, but in all probabilities it's likely to excell even more. This appears on the surface at this early stage to be a merger of great importance. Not just for the loyal users but the entire group as a whole too. I stood by all those reviews back then and i don't see anything standing in the way of remaining that confident in support of BoClean now! All the best!

[snowbound]

-{ Quote: " I stood by all those reviews back then and i don't see anything standing in the way of remaining that confident in support of BoClean now! All the best!" }-
Enjoy, all the new users. :thumb: ;D



snowbound

[TonyKlein]

Having been a BOClean user for almost six years now, I'm elated for Kevin and Nancy (not to mention that I'd hate to run a machine without having that trusted little BOClean icon in the tray... ;))

Great to hear that by the looks of it Kevin will be provided with the means to put all his ideas for BOClean in practice, and of course Kudos to Comodo for being so smart as to acquire this great application! :)

[TonyKlein]

LOL!

http://www.comodo.com/news/press_releases/01_04_07.html

[EASTER.2010]

-{ Quote: "LOL!

http://www.comodo.com/news/press_releases/01_04_07.html" }-

Thanks TonyKlein and good to see ya again even in different confines. ;)
So theres even yet other "ideas" that have been on the back burner?
Not so much myself unfortunately but i know that all the Loyals are anxiously waiting with baited breath for them to be finally realized, especially the developers themselves no less.

All The Best

EASTER

[Longboard]

-{ Quote: "@TonyKlein LOL!
http://www.comodo.com/news/press_releases/01_04_07.html" }-

ROFPML, 1-4-07 Hmm
Kevin may have met his match ;D

-{ Quote: "For additional information on Comodo - Creating Trust Online™ " }-
LOL

[Kees1958]

-{ Quote: "I don't understand, why would you pay money to buy out BOClean and then turn around and make it free? What am I missing here?" }-

The only reason I can think of is the following:

1. Comodo developed a free Antivirus, which did not do to good in the AV-comparatives test. So they are dedicated to develop a good AV.

2. They know how much the development of their current version has cost them, in terms of man-power and money.

3. Apparently buying the BOclean engine and the involvement of Kevin was cheaper and faster than continuing the development of their not so great AV. Also switching resources/manpower provides Comodo a quantum leap in knowhow.


To me there are a few valid business reasons to do so, but then again my guess is as good as anyone else.

Regards K

*** copied reply out of the Comodo forum, about switching resources, more or less indicates that is cheaper and faster for Comodo to gain a market positon via an acquisition. The sizeable manpower mentioned to me sounds like: we (COmodo) will give Kevin as many people as he can train, so the transfer of knowhow will be capatilised before Kevin might pull out***


Re: Comodo acquires BOClean!
« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2007, 01:33:09 PM »

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Well, we will continue with the whole product range. We will make available sizeable amount of resources to Kevin so that he can take all these products to next level. Kevin will be responsible (as he was) for taking these products to next level and we as Comodo will support him fully by enabling much more resources for him.

All we want to do is to continue the great tradition that Kevin & Nancy has successfully carried out and enable Kevin to make his products even better. He just has more resources to achieve it now.

Melih

[EASTER.2010]

-{ Quote: "Originally Posted by Rilla927
I don't understand, why would you pay money to buy out BOClean and then turn around and make it free? What am I missing here?" }-

Where have you been?

Look at Konfabulator, that is if you're aware of that desktop widget program which drawed a tremendous global following as a paid customization program. Yahoo Inc. stepped in with it's aquisition offer and after closing the deal made a previously 30USD program freeware where it still stands today.

COMODO is no different. Look at the publicity potential for COMODO after releasing BoClean in a freeware version. It's a windfall method that apparently will afford great benefits in the short term and long. With that being said watch for COMODO to be around and very active for a very long time to come.

[controler]

I believe the answer as to why does Comodo give away it's software can be found here. By building a better security name, they in tern sell more digital certs.

http://forums.comodo.com/index.php/topic,764.0.html


controler

[JRCATES]

-{ Quote: "Where have you been?" }-

Well, one thing's for certain, EASTER....you've been in this thread...A LOT! Defending Comodo and the acquisition at every turn. Not sure why you have so much at stake in this, but you're obviously a Comodo fan. Good for you, I just hope it works out FOR EVERYONE!!!

[FanJ]

-{ Quote: "Having been a BOClean user for almost six years now, I'm elated for Kevin and Nancy (not to mention that I'd hate to run a machine without having that trusted little BOClean icon in the tray... ;))

Great to hear that by the looks of it Kevin will be provided with the means to put all his ideas for BOClean in practice, and of course Kudos to Comodo for being so smart as to acquire this great application! :)" }-

Yep, long time user of BOClean here too.
I agree with you Ton !

-{ Quote: "LOL!

http://www.comodo.com/news/press_releases/01_04_07.html" }-

LOL ;D :D ;D :)

[iNsuRRecTioN]

-{ Quote: "

For BOClean to be useful and not shut off as most "file scanners" were typically required a very unique design. It had to be very lightweight, light on resources and yet had to be "zero touch" as far as the "desktop users" went.

As time went on, "stealth" methods became very popular among the various malcontents and since antiviruses were based on simple file pattern matching or at best "heuristics" and "unpacking engines," they improved somewhat but still were easily gotten around at the file detection level as a result of many obscuring techniques. However, when bad stuff actually went to run, it had to be resolved in memory to that which could actually run. We designed BOClean to catch whatever got past "active guards" and other techniques of the antiviruses after the antivirus/scanner programs already had their chance and let it run anyway." }-

Hey,

wow, great, didn't know that.

What a nice and really useful piece of app :)

I think your "marketing" methods wasn't that good and so you don't get (enough) money and more attraction.

Your coding skills and methods must be really great, unique, powerful and brilliant! As well as your knowledge..

I hope, now Comodo acquired you, you have enough resources, people (manpower) and of course time to further improve BOClean, maybe rewrite parts or more (from the scratch..?) and so get a "new" BOClean out, as you wished and wanted already before, but unfortunately couldn't be done, because of time and resource absence..

Now at Comodo you should have enough money and power, and if Comodo really should someday decide to sell their software, which is now available as free software, then hopefully they won't demand more as 5-10 USD..!
(More money and not much people would buy that..! Including me, having not much money and I'm currently unemployed..In my opinion 5-10 USD is fair for 3-5 years license of an software with updates and upgrades..10-15 USD is fair for unlimited lifetime updates and upgrades of such a "small" helping tool..)

At Comodo I think you can unfold, develop and let all your "wishes" with your own software apps/babies become truth ;)

-{ Quote: "It eventually hit a point this past year where I was working between 28 and 40 hours in a single shift, catching some sleep.." }-
Ooh, that's really bad, you shouldn't work more as 10-12 hours in a single shift without sleeping..! :o :blink: :ouch:

Finaly I hope and really think so, that you will get enough sleep and support at your new firm Comodo, in order that you don't have to work more than 12 hours in one shift..

-{ Quote: "Nancy has already explained that we tried to shop BOClean around to a number of companies who make "file scanners" of various sorts however our own design is SO unique that many just didn't get it and the few that did understand what we are doing were too concerned about the potential cost of "intergrating" BOClean into their existing products without even examining its innards and understanding them." }-
I don't understand this..
Are there no Maleware fighting firms or organisations that see your potential and the potential of your brilliant tool and code?!? ??? :lurking: :wacko:

I'm really confused and it's strange that neither Eset, Kaspersky nor Frisk want to help you and/or integrate your code or app into their products.. ::) :dry:

Did you and Nancy really ask all them and ask them seriously?

I thought "experts" must see that..

Such an unique code, help to fight maleware with an additional security layer with nearly zero impact, performance loss and resource consumption must be a wonderful and great addition and improvement to their existing protection solutions.

In my opinion that would be a nice and huge step forward and a step ahead of the maleware coders/authors and script kiddies.


-{ Quote: "When we were first approached by COMODO, I have to admit that I was swayed by the opinions of the so-called "experts" and was quite skeptical of them when they expressed interest in working with us, partnering, or perhaps acquiring BOClean themselves. In fact, it wasn't until I MET Melih in person that I came to realize just how WRONG the judgements of COMODO among the public in these forums truly are." }-

Yes, very important to see that and that all other can read and see that! :)

Why? Simply because nearly everyone think the same way and the same happend to your "family company", Kevin..

Personal messages, opinions, contact, help is very important!
It's the secret of success and the elixir of an successfull company and organisation.

"Personal touches" are needed and all the CEO's, chief coders, etc. should at least blog to their customers and keep in personal public connection, answer and comment back.
Better is to be active in the own company forum, like Melih is doing it..!

That and don't cheat and deceive the users and customers and be truthful and sincere.
Then you will have sucess.

That's the right way and I wanted buy a BOClean license back in 6 or 10 months or such..but first it was to expensive to/for me and second I had no contact and such a great explanation, like this posting from Kevin here..

I don't know what BOClean is really doing, what clever and great "tricks" and code it has and how it exactly work until now..

So I thought yet another anti-maleware software, which is in public well known by americans and europeans mostly don't know them and no public comparison and tests are available, so..

I didn't know the truth and I didn't get it on your product hp..!


And to your rest post, it's great, deep insight and details.

You don't know me, but I really appreciate it, thanks! ;) ;D


-{ Quote: "At least as soon as we can put together the new code that's been sitting into a 4.23 ... if there were actually any earth-shattering changes, I'd bet COMODO would want to call it 5.something!" }-
Ok, but please try to keep it correct and don't push that numbers too much..
I hope the Comodo marketing don't want to argue with new major version numbers, e.g. use BOClean Version 6.0 instead of 5.5 if there are only some new features and improvements, like it the big companies like MS, Symantec, Skype Limited (with the help of Ebay..), etc. unfortunately do.. -.- :thumbd:

Eset and other companies do it right, after NOD32 v2, they followed with 2.5 with new features and improvements, but not with 3.0.
Skype had doing it the same correct way, but after the Ebay acquisition, they publishing Version 3.0 instead of 2.5 of Skype, etc.

Only with many and really big and much earth-shattering new features and improvements, companies and software developers should increase the major version number of an Software app..! :isay:

-{ Quote: " So for anyone that's still doubting, I wouldn't have "stepped in it" if I didn't have ABSOLUTE faith in WHO and WHAT I'm stepping in. Give us a few weeks, a few months ... I'm staking my reputation and my LIFE on all this. And for the wangers and doubters, get over yerselves. I finally get to EAT again! " }-

I trust you :D


Thanks for this post and I wish you all the best and good luck, but I bet and think you don't need my luck, because you already have it now at Comodo..! :thumb: 8)

best regards,

iNsuRRecTiON

[cheater87]

Can this program work with Prevx and Spyware Terminator's real time shield?

[Kees1958]

-{ Quote: "I believe the answer as to why does Comodo give away it's software can be found here. By building a better security name, they in tern sell more digital certs.

http://forums.comodo.com/index.php/topic,764.0.html


controler" }-

Thx,

That explains it.

[MaB69]

-{ Quote: "Can this program work with Prevx and Spyware Terminator's real time shield?" }-

Hi cheater,

Never seen/heard about a conflict with this prog but to tell the true, i used ST for a short time and PREVX for a more shorter time

MaB

[Tommy]

Let's hope the best for BoClean.
I can understand the reason of Nancy & Co. as their life was influenced by the hard work they put into BoClean. Also i am more calm now, as i read the words of the developers regarding the future of BoClean.
Hope the new useres of 'BoClean - Freeware' will enjoy this soft as i do it for a while now.

[CJsDad]

-{ Quote: "Can this program work with Prevx and Spyware Terminator's real time shield?" }-

BOClean is one of the few apps that will work just about anything else on your PC, you'll hardly ever notice BOClean is even on your computer.

[controler]

I have only paid for a select few apps in my life. BoClean & TDS was a few.
I did so because they were great apps. period but I wonder now where they go?
Why is it they great apps were created by small companies?
Why then are they bought up?
I really have no trust anymore in small companies and am going back to my roots. Symantec ect.

This sucks!!! Until someone from comodo or Kevin can give me a better answer.

Con

[pugmug]

Read,the answer is there.

[Pedro]

-{ Quote: "I have only paid for a select few apps in my life. BoClean & TDS was a few.
I did so because they were great apps. period but I wonder now where they go?
Why is it they great apps were created by small companies?
Why then are they bought up?
I really have no trust anymore in small companies and am going back to my roots. Symantec ect.

This sucks!!! Until someone from comodo or Kevin can give me a better answer.

Con" }-
The same people are going to work on BOClean.
More resources are available, meaning he's going to have more time to improve the program, not loosing so much time updating signatures.
It's now freeware.

[Mongol]

-{ Quote: "I have only paid for a select few apps in my life. BoClean & TDS was a few.
I did so because they were great apps. period but I wonder now where they go?
Why is it they great apps were created by small companies?
Why then are they bought up?
I really have no trust anymore in small companies and am going back to my roots. Symantec ect.

This sucks!!! Until someone from comodo or Kevin can give me a better answer.

Con" }-

Did you read posts #77 & 83? Kevin gave a detailed explanation of whassup...8)

[trjam]

I hope they do something soon, because I was in the process of buying it. Yep, good product, good people.

[GES/POR]

Customers that had recently purchased bo regret they paid for soon to become freeware.

If i knew this was going to happen id not hesitate buyin it. Worse yet i regret.

Now i wish i could have contributed financially even though im just poor ges/por ;) and offcourse i would have loved taking part of the private club.

Other reasons that kept me from buying it before take over: - screenshots - no trial - other great competitors - pricing - too little reviews - too much postive customers that couldn't say more then it is great - to little insight on the men behind the program

Maybe marketing was outfought by support and effcienty. Key element of succes is balance.

I need to be convinced.

Now i can't wait till it comes out again and im sure it will be the first thingh i want to install.

Im wondering why they didn't change from lifetime fee to yearly or version fee. So many people have posted they'd rather pay on a yearly basis to keep it alive. The macleavy's were honoured for their support but they could have listenend better to their customers about the finance right?

[JerryM]

Anyone know when the free BoClean will be available for download?

Thanks,
Jerry

[iNsuRRecTioN]

Hey,

yes, you should read more carefully :)

It will be released in a few days, in the next days upto two weeks.

best regards,

iNsuRRecTiON

[JerryM]

-{ Quote: "Hey,

yes, you should read more carefully :)

It will be released in a few days, in the next days upto two weeks.

best regards,

iNsuRRecTiON" }-

Thanks for the information. I'm known to be in the "slow group." :)

Regards,
Jerry

[trjam]

-{ Quote: "Thanks for the information. I'm known to be in the "slow group." :)

Regards,
Jerry" }-
No you arent, keep that in mind.

[trjam]

I just hope, that Kevin and Nancy will remain a fixture of this place. Man I smile, when I think of all the times, someone posted a question, concern, or thought, about Boclean, just to patiently wait for them to log in and respond. Which, when it came to customer service, were ranked at the top. Unlike some others in the malware products that I have observed of late. Even with Comodo, they will hopefully have a active role and work to make the product better due to better resources. I mean look at Ewido. Everyone pee-ed in their pants when AVG bought them. But the Ewidos assured us they would stay active in that products development, and they obviously have, or AVG malware products would not be, damn near perfect.

Vendors and people will leave here and return from time to time. But they will always be family, no matter how much squabling we do.

[Kevin McAleavey]

Nancy and I are *humbled* by all the faith and warm wishes everyone's extended, and well wishes for the future. For those of you who showed YOUR faith in us in cash, rest assured that even after the change, I know who helped us pay our bills for over ten years and it's MY personal promise (as well as COMODO's) that everything you've always expected and received from us will continue to be honored as time trudges on. That's WHY we appreciate (despite our early doubts) being "eaten" by COMODO. NOTHING changes, it only improves! And that was, and is STILL, my "marching orders."

For those of you who are going to get FREE BOClean, it will be at least as good as the paid version, actually slightly better until I can REALLY get to serious coding which I haven't had the time for in nearly two years and all else that will flow from this. But then again, if y'all weren't into "free" in the first place, you would have HAD BOClean *and* you probably wouldn't NEED it. There's ALWAYS been a price EVERY time for "free" anything. Either you were outright hosed, ripped off or used as a lab rat for some product that needed you to pay for development at the cost of y our machine or sanity.

After all, if "free" were TRULY FREE, I wouldn't have had to pay a mortgage, one or more of you would drop by every night with food and I'd be able to take a joyride to Texas in YOUR car. FREE, after all. :)

Alas, some folks NEED to get paid for their work to pay the rent, eat, etc and that's all we ever asked ... to EAT in exchange for our hard work every day. I dunno what COMODO's plans are for support for those who will be getting BOClean for free, been too busy to ASK ... all WE cared about was that our EXISTING customers at the time of handover would be treated right, and THAT promise was made and is already being kept.

I'm guessing the "freebie" will be supported like any other freebie - the rantings of folks on forums. One of the reasons we didn't really take part in the forums so much as begging people to just EMAIL us with specifics so we could solve them was that "forum advice" where it's even available tends to be people parroting one oddball situation of a specific machine's configuration having a WEIRD problem and us telling that person, "here's what you need to do here and THIS will fix it for ya" and them then hitting the forums with the SAME advice to others on that weirdy, then having people pay ATTENTION to it and DO it, and then blame US when they hosed their box on incorrect advice when they didn't contact US in the first place.

THAT was the reason we were so hell bent on providing PERSONAL support for what we charged. No two winders hosings are the same, YMMV, all other provisos. What folks PAID for was our actually paying attention to specific people and what THEY had going on and then fixing it. Like I said, dunno what COMODO will do for the "freebies" ... I suppose I'll have the time to be dragged out onto the forums soon ... maybe it'll be like that. Dunno. My own PERSONAL attitude for all the pain and suffering the past two years that Nancy and I have been through protecting people from themselves, I'm not terribly inclined to provide the same level of "service" for those who haven't paid, but I'll certainly do what I'm told as an employee of COMODO. But doesn't mean I'll LIKE the concept if you understand where I'm coming from.

The PERSONAL cost of trying to keep BOClean together while carious other companies sniffed at us put ME into personal bankruptcy and almost lost our HOUSE trying to keep it lit for everyone and do the work of entire corporations with thousands of malware analysts and support people. It was just the TWO of us, and we STARVED for all this. Nobody cared except for a handful. And I'm just a little bit more than slightly peeved at those who are here with ...

SO WHEN do I get my FREEBIE?

Can I have the keys to your car AND your girlfriend? :(

Can anyone look at this from OUR standpoint for once? We HONORED those who paid us by ENSURING that our stuff would be in GOOD hands. And NOW, because of the generosity of that company, folks will have it for FREE, those who PAID us will get the service they PAID for and Nancy and I have gone through all of this the past couple of years while "experts" beat their chest and crow?

Some expletives come to mind. Just needed to be said. But now that I'm about to EAT again, and Nancy is free to get SOME of her life back, geez ... picking the bones of a CORPSE some of you. This has been HIGHLY upsetting to us, and seems no one's noticed. :(

Just needed to be said.

[chaos16]

Just wondering from what Kevin said.

So the new free Boclean will be the same as the paid as the paid wont exist anymore?


Coz Kevin said that for the paid customers he will do some hard work on coding the program? but i thought that there will only be 1 Boclean version and that is the new free Comodo Boclean?

[trjam]

Kevin, live for the future and screw the past. The 2 of you, have each other and that my friend is priceless. Your past customers knew the arena they got in to when they purchased your product, and that they can live with it. I spoke to Nancy today, trying to actually pay for a version, but as we both know, that cant be done. Actually I may have asked for a refund at one point. Stupid me.You see I know that the freebies are great for folks like me, but dont put meat on the table, for folks like you. We never take the time here to think about this, because software vendors are all viewed in one light. Not by their true size of employees, but just by a products name. Life is very short my friend, and your biggest accomplishment isnt the products you created, but a certain person whom you live your life with. And that Kevin, is the end, of that story.

[besafe]

I can't blame the guy for taking a payday. Heck...that's what many small businesses dream of. The initial investors put in a lot of blood, sweat and tears then reap the benefits when they get bought by a larger company. Whether this was his plan from the start or not, it's all part of the American Dream.

People should be happy that they had such a great product for so long rather than moan about what they might lose. Not to mention, the product could actually improve with Comodo's resources.

[Kevin McAleavey]

-{ Quote: "Kevin, live for the future and screw the past. The 2 of you, have each other and that my friend is priceless. Your past customers knew the arena they got in to when they purchased your product, and that they can live with it. I spoke to Nancy today, trying to actually pay for a version, but as we both know, that cant be done. Actually I may have asked for a refund at one point. Stupid me.You see I know that the freebies are great for folks like me, but dont put meat on the table, for folks like you. We never take the time here to think about this, because software vendors are all viewed in one light. Not by their true size of employees, but just by a products name. Life is very short my friend, and your biggest accomplishment isnt the products you created, but a certain person whom you live your life with. And that Kevin, is the end, of that story." }-

Truth be told, I'm in my mid-fifties. Nancy is pushing 50. We're dynosaurs of a bygone age where your "word" was EVERYTHING. And it's not like there is much in the way of opportunities at our age - "cost accounting" says that our "acquisition value" as employees will NEVER cover the cost of our "training." So it goes ... that ALONE was reason enough for us to want to stay independent. For the past year and change, both of us have cried ourselves to sleep over the situation of not being able to "compete with FREE" and watching sales die on our end with people scooping up all SORTS of worthless qwap because it was free. "No trial" means in all reality, "I wasn't going to pay anyway" ... sorry, that argument don't wash ... been here too long. I grew up in the Bronx ... self-excusing sidewalk act there.

The two of us literally cried ourselves to sleep MANY a night as we struggled to find some way to keep this going not only for our own obvious "salvation" but also the weight of "a promise made is a promise kept" as those who've known us for a while *know* is what we've always been about. At OUR age, going to bed in tears just ain't right. But so it's been.

Nancy continues to believe that SOMEHOW she could have saved the company ... and it tortures her EVERY day that somehow she couldn't pull just ONE more rabbit out of the hat. She takes this all as HER personal failure and that hurts ME to no end. Never mind that "Netscape Communications Corp" or PETS.COM or any of the others that didn't last anywhere NEAR as long as WE did ... and we made some SERIOUS enemies over the years from Microsoft over our 1997 testimony before the FTC about all that's come to pass because Microsoft took a stupid WEB browser (a formerly SEPARATE application) and inserted it into the operating system to evade PERJURY charges before Judge Jackson when the judge's law clerk easily disconnected IE from Windows and thus was born Win98 "whoopsie edition" (prior to SE). That 1997 testimony sealed our fate way back then but then since we weren't in this for MONEY, the cutoff of investors didn't faze us a it until 3 years ago ...

But still ... the nonsense STILL honks ME off ... particularly with Nancy apologizing to me EVERY night for "her failure." She REALLY believes she did something wrong. :(

Like I said, this WHOLE situation is to cry over from our standpoint, but we walk away from it doing our VERY best to uphold our promises, and are FOREVER grateful that COMODO recognizes all that they're getting and Melih is EVERY bit as committed to all of this as we ever were, and he's JUST as sincere about this as we always have been. And HIS finances permit FREE ...

But for those who are strong as oak and twice as thick, we've been through HELL and are still in our own personal one over all this ... be nice if someone even mentions or thanks NANCY for all "we" have done over the past ten years. Yeah, I've written code and I've been tied up in the lab ... but NANCY was the TRUE spirit of PSC and natch, like everything else we've seen in the various forums ... nada. :(

These have been VERY rough times for us ... we put ALL of our efforts into ensuring that NOBODY who gave us money would be disappointed. And once again, WE kept OUR promises, and so will COMODO. But we're BOTH tired of the nonsense ...

[trjam]

know how you feel, 53 here and in 4 years my 30 years of government employment are up. Buying a Honda Gold Wing and me and my better half are off to do some fishing.:)

[Kevin McAleavey]

-{ Quote: "know how you feel, 53 here and in 4 years my 30 years of government employment are up. Buying a Honda Gold Wing and me and my better half are off to do some fishing.:)" }-

13 years of sybill cervix for me for the State of New York as engineer, sysadmin, techie. And I grew *SO* tired of dealing with dueling arsoles. Worked with the spookiest of spooks from alphabet agencies, trained CIA, DEA and FBI and did what I was required to do. Vested. :)

But I just couldn't DEAL anymore with the "know WHAT to kiss and WHEN" bullsquirt. Quit, did this. STATE paid better. Even on the so-called "cashout" though we cannot ever reveal the amounts. :(

But no ... despite all, will NEVER miss the "Paturkey farm." But still ... for all the good things we've done, pains ME to NO end that Nancy's blaming herself for the tendencies of too damned many ... it's all over now, but it was INCREDIBLY painful for both of us to be forced to do what we had to do since we're here in "tech valley" of "upstate new york" and the only "assistance" we've gotten from our "pro-business government" (even under our NEW gov) is "yet another campaign finance shakedown" ... and of course, what happens when you're behind on your bills. :(

But it pains me even more that for all NANCY has done, seems nobody cares. And that TRULY hurts ... were it NOT for Nancy, *I* wouldn't have been able to do what I was able to manage as she ran interference for me here, there and everywhere that I had no time to get to, and SHE was the one who made me STOP posting when I'd gotten too stupid ... like now, but she's not here anymore. She didn't WANT to do software anymore and thus SHE declined COMODO's offer to "come on board." That's HOW devastated she is about all this ... and nobody cares. :(

[strangequark]

Hi Kevin, I hope it's not too long before your table is sagging with food.
I feel really sad for you both, especialy Nancy, my wife does the same thing of trying to take all the blame on herself over certain matters and it's a horrible thing to see.
I suggest a holiday in Tropical Nth OZ, heaven on earth [and that's coming from an atheist], probably later in the year when Oz is then, fingers crossed, a john howard free zone.
-{ Quote: " Can I have the keys to your car AND your girlfriend? " }-
the keys to the car, no worries mate, I'm afraid the rest of the request might be turned down.
Best of luck for the future, I hope it all works out as you and Nancy want, and don't take too much notice of us bored forum dwellers.
Mid 50's great time of life, mind you I have to say that ;-)

[danny9]

-{ Quote: "Kevin, live for the future and screw the past. The 2 of you, have each other and that my friend is priceless. Your past customers knew the arena they got in to when they purchased your product, and that they can live with it. I spoke to Nancy today, trying to actually pay for a version, but as we both know, that cant be done. Actually I may have asked for a refund at one point. Stupid me.You see I know that the freebies are great for folks like me, but dont put meat on the table, for folks like you. We never take the time here to think about this, because software vendors are all viewed in one light. Not by their true size of employees, but just by a products name. Life is very short my friend, and your biggest accomplishment isnt the products you created, but a certain person whom you live your life with. And that Kevin, is the end, of that story." }-

Very nicely said trjam!:thumb:

Free is nice but small companies and individuals need to be paid for their work and rightly so.
BOClean is such a program. I would have gladly paid a yearly renewal and have stated so prior.
BOClean has been a constant on my computer and will continue to be as long as Kevin and Nancy are behind it.8)

[trjam]

trust me Kevin, I think everyone here would agree they care very much for Nancy and know her contribution to your joint adventure. Hey man, you thought we loved you.::)

And that is local governement, not the major one.

[FanJ]

Dear Nancy, dear Kevin,

Once again, from the bottom of my heart: BIG HUGE THANKS !!!!!!!!!!

So much thanks for all you have done !
So much thanks for all your absolutely great support; support, not beaten by any company!

You both have there ALWAYS been for me when I needed it.

Never ever did I wish that there were tears, never !

I do wish you two ALL the very best !
I definitely do hope that life will be nice for you from now !

I will continue to use BOClean; and I'll advise my friends/family to do the same.

Dear Nancy and Kevin,
Please accept big warm {{{HUGS}}}

With my most warmest regards,
Jan

:-*

[Kevin McAleavey]

MOO! And thank ya, m8! No worries either, I've failed to take my Bob Dole/NASCAR blue pill and heh ... no worries THERE either! Actually, it is I who is in living fear of the high hard one ... having SEEN Ballmer do a "dance monkeyboy dance" choreography, I recognise that it is GATES who must live in mortal fear of backing into a doorknob and I *love* it! No worries about the Sheila either! Heh. OH, how I wish I could have a REAL Cook's or a PROPER Fosters (CUB, NOT what is now brewed in Canada which is but ONE step away from Yank pythwater, heh)

But Nancy's TRULY gotten hosed over all this because SHE was the company, I had NO financial interest in it other than making sure everything worked. And she's more than US$350K down and getting hosed by OUR government in the FINAL stages of "Microsoft's revenge" over that 1997 thing that *I* did ... but hey ... "Winders Defenduh" and KILL BOClean at ANY cost and phuck the PSC people ... TRIPLE the cost of MSDN, FORCE licences which cost more than we make, and hey ... byebye PSC. It WORKED. Vista was what finally killed us. :(

But Aye, mate ... would LOVE to raise a toast with ya, in the past years, we've had more friends in OZ and the UK and CA than in our own country. And apologies for my blubbering here ... just PAINS me to no end that in all the convos, it's been the selfish and those who forgot ENTIRELY that I actually had nothing "officially" to do with Privacy Software, it was ENTIRELY Nancy who did it, held it together, and guided us ALL in "fair dinkum for all." And it pains me continually to NEVER see NANCY get her due through all of this. SHE busted her butt over all this even more than *I* did. :(

-{ Quote: "Hi Kevin, I hope it's not too long before your table is sagging with food.
I feel really sad for you both, especialy Nancy, my wife does the same thing of trying to take all the blame on herself over certain matters and it's a horrible thing to see.
I suggest a holiday in Tropical Nth OZ, heaven on earth [and that's coming from an atheist], probably later in the year when Oz is then, fingers crossed, a john howard free zone.

the keys to the car, no worries mate, I'm afraid the rest of the request might be turned down.
Best of luck for the future, I hope it all works out as you and Nancy want, and don't take too much notice of us bored forum dwellers.
Mid 50's great time of life, mind you I have to say that ;-)" }-

[mercurie]

Fellow Creatures,
I was really asleep on this thread I have been busy working in the Spring air and have only stopped by the Wilders Forest for brief visits and totally missed it. :o

I am actually glad as I have taken the opportunity to to read each post. And unless someone jumps ahead of me will post behind someone (FanJ) who has as much honor and respect as I do for the McAleavey team.

I have used BOClean for about 5 years...worth every penny if it disappeared today. The piece of mind alone was priceless. The support second to none... the end result of this "club" predictable. It is sad in a way, but again it is a second wind an evolution of the product that is occuring. I really was only surprised by the slams and cuts against COMODO. This forum has basically been humming with praise for this Firewall.

Kevin and Nancys posts have raised my faith. That out of all the possible choices they were given that they did not make a mistake. It was imho impossible for them to continue as they were. Fellow users just look at the number of updates that you were getting and the amount of new malwares on a daily basis that was being loaded in to this wonderful light weight program. More human talented resources were needed to bring to the table to keep this fine piece of protective software up to the demanding task we have come to know and trust it.

I do not see this as Checkpoint buying Zonealarm I see it more like Ewido and AVG. No two mergers are the same.

If you trust Kevin to keep BOClean up to the task as we all have over the years then trust him to know who to merge with when the time comes. That time for them is now.

I will not stop using BOClean because of this. I look forward to getting my license number.

I don't use COMODO firewall currently but I have. It was fine. I had no complaints. I honestly love the idea that Kevin will stay on and assist in their AV department.

BOClean will soon be more then it has ever been....keep the faith.

Best to all who have made BOClean what it is. I look forward to your continued success. ;)

[strangequark]

-{ Quote: "MOO! And thank ya, m8! No worries either, I've failed to take my Bob Dole/NASCAR blue pill and heh ... no worries THERE either! Actually, it is I who is in living fear of the high hard one ... having SEEN Ballmer do a "dance monkeyboy dance" choreography, I recognise that it is GATES who must live in mortal fear of backing into a doorknob and I *love* it! No worries about the Sheila either! Heh. OH, how I wish I could have a REAL Cook's or a PROPER Fosters (CUB, NOT what is now brewed in Canada which is but ONE step away from Yank pythwater, heh) :(" }-

too funny ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D *puppy*

[GES/POR]

-{ Quote: " "No trial" means in all reality, "I wasn't going to pay anyway" ... sorry, that argument don't wash ... been here too long. I grew up in the Bronx ... self-excusing sidewalk act there." }-

No trial means ultimate failure. You asked for money and you got it from some that were willing to make the leap of faith. You sold out to comdo and you got paid. You still get paid probably even better. Stop crying and enjoy yourself, look back and be proud. Take care of Nancy.

[pugmug]

Bit of a harsh post there G/P.I have used BoClean since Feb.03 and know how good of a program it is and how great Nancy and Kevin took care of their customers.I want to thank each one for what they did company and code wise to help and protect.All the best to you fine people.

[EASTER.2010]

-{ Quote: "Vista was what finally killed us." }-

How very unfortunate since IMO Vista was fashioned for nothing more but a cheap diversion for $M to fully & finally distance themselves from their past & first real customers of (Me/98) and avoid what they should have done as a real technology leader would have tied up those loose strings first before proceeding in the manner they now have by conceiving the Vista idea before first re-writing 98/Me as those customers deserved.
Personally, and shortsighted, some of us almost expected more responsible attention to addressing those concerns shortly after XP's first release but instead they announced ending support entirely for them as though they were the black plague...........

...............and lines up exactly with my own disappointment & disgust with $M

For BoClean to have been victim of Vista makes me sick and only intensifies (confirms) my own suspicions that $M is way out of line in their compromising the trust so many expected of them.

[Longboard]

HHmm. lol, I had no idea there are so many old fogies posting here. lol :D

I've already made my feelings clear to K&N in e-mails to which K has graciously responded.

I never really separated the two of them.
To Nancy: hold fast. I'm very sorry to hear that you have left the fold.
Who will translate for us? ;)
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?p=863677#post863677

Very embittered at what seems to be the developers version of DRM going on behind the scenes: we already have to pay absurd amount for Blista eye-candy with very little I can see in terms of increased functionality and now it seems M$ is making devs pay some gouge for "Vista accredited" softs ??? >:(

Good business practise by M$: harmful to others = monoploistic practice = hopefully BIG lawsuits :dry:

Anyway: to Nancy ; we will miss you. dont stay away to long, you're too good to lose forever.
Respect.

[besafe]

I am SO waiting for the day when Microsoft is knocked off their high horse. Doubt I'll see it, but sure would love to.

They keep forcing their updated crap on us without providing much if any real value. Is Vista much better than XP? I tried the latest version of MS Office and immediately went back to Office 2000. What about what they did to GIANT?

I must say that there is almost always a better option than a MS Product. Unfortunately, they make it hard to go with anyone else due to their monopoly type business practices.

[mrgigabyte]

Dear Nancy, dear Kevin,
i am a paying customer and i have been very happy with boclean and kevin and nancy do keep their word and i agreed i would pay yearly also and kevin i do feel better that you talked to us about whats happin after reading your posts that all it took because i do belive you and i am not worry thank you , could you tell us when boclean comes out what you want us to do

thanks for everything very happy boclean customer 8) :thumb:

[poirot]

what Kevin revealed about M$ prompts thoughts well illustrated by Easter2000,which i agree with entirely.

What i want to stress again is that during these past years of using Boclean ,after the first elation for using something completely original and super efficient, i began to nurture a feeling of affection towards the nsclean firm people as if they were relatives who were helping me solve IT problems.

A feeling which became bigger with Kevin & Nancy posts in forums and especially now.

To Kevin i'd like to say : be happy , Capricorns worries are finally over!:)
To Nancy idea of having failed somewhere: a failure like yours is a great success for any sane people.

I never ever saw people expressing love for their programmers or programs
like the many i saw here.....including me, i do in fact
'love you like a brother', Kevin!!!

[muf]

Kevin/Nancy.

Thank you for BOClean. Been using it for over 3 years now and never once regretted it. I will continue to use BO for as long as it is available. Congratulation's on the deal you have achieved with Comodo. It's great to see that at long last you have the finances for home stability and the support to make BO all you ever wanted it to be. I look forward to seeing what develops and I am chuffed to bits that you got to this point.

Take care,
muf

[mowergun]

Kevin,

It pains me to read about the hell that Nancy and you have been through. I hope posts that I have made here and at other forums did not add to your stress. I want both of you to know that I have the utmost respect and appreciation for what you have done for me as a BOClean user. I also have faith and trust in you and Nancy that you have earned.

It is because BOClean was the one application that I felt was irreplaceable that the initial news of the merger was so much of a shock. After you posted here at Wilders, my worry turned to optimism.

I had never heard of Comodo before, that I can remember, but now I will be watching them. I have been expecting that I would have to replace ZAP in the future, and now I think I will wait a few months for your presence to have time to have it's effect on Comodo products and then I will give Comodo firewall a spin.

I hope that Melih guy appreciates what a valuable resource he now has and is wise enough to hold on to you and pay you what you are worth. I said this at another forum, but I really feel that if he keeps his promises that you fellows are going to change the landscape. My gut tells me that in a year or so there will be other companies out there kicking themselves for passing up an opportunity. I wish for you not only financial reward, but also the personal satisfaction.

[vonvon]

Good evening

I'm french but I think I've undestood the most important of these posts.
I bought Boclean few monthes before.

A lot of emotion, but for Kevin and Nancy : MERCI (thank you)
Your story is a succes, you create a fantastic software, a super assistance, and more, personnal links between customers and authors !

One more time, MERCI and please, don't leave us, We need YOU, Nancy and Kevin.

Please, excuse me for my english, I made what I can !

[StevieO]

There have been a few posters that seem to be unaware of the history as to why BOClean was originally released. And even for those that are, here's a few refreshers.

August 17, 1998

Back Orifice threat: Getting caught in the digital crossfire

http://www.everythingcomputers.com/1998%20Columns/August/august_17_1998_column.htm

Cult of the Dead Cow responds to Microsoft about Back Orifice

This is our response to Microsoft's damage control statement of 1998-Aug-04.

(Extract from the CDC article)

"Microsoft has repeatedly shown little interest when contacted about security holes in their products in the past. In general, they have needed to have their noses rubbed in it before acknowledging any problems."

http://www.cultdeadcow.com/tools/bo_msrebuttal.php

(That was written going on for 10 years ago, and wouldn't be so out of place if written today)


StevieO

[EASTER.2010]

-{ Quote: "Good evening

I'm french but I think I've undestood the most important of these posts.
I bought Boclean few monthes before.

A lot of emotion, but for Kevin and Nancy : MERCI (thank you)
Your story is a succes, you create a fantastic software, a super assistance, and more, personnal links between customers and authors !

One more time, MERCI and please, don't leave us, We need YOU, Nancy and Kevin.

Please, excuse me for my english, I made what I can !" }-

Kevin and Nancy even though having never even tried BoClean myself (shame on me :( ) your efforts were also echoed thoughout the land & masses time and again by reports from users who you couldn't dissuade from this superior product even if it fell out from their machine into their lap. That speaks immense volumes to both of yours character and most of all your sincere concerns to the users, of that there is absolutely no denying whatsoever. And most all the replies pouring into this Topic bear out that both of you and especially Nancy have established your place in the IT world as well as in the hearts of everyone that what you have accomplished is indeed Legendary in nature. I now rest these comments with that FACT!

THANK YOU!

[Longboard]

-{ Quote: "We're dynosaurs of a bygone age where your "word" was EVERYTHING. " }-There are still a few of us out here: handshake is a contract as far as I'm concerned. Hah: drives my lawyer to tears.
You can work for/with me any time-{ Quote: "And it's not like there is much in the way of opportunities at our age" }-Hey careful: we're not that old. I'm off on a surfing trip in the Maldives with a couple of other silly old dynosaurs next month ;)

Look at what;s just happened. It was always there, you just had to be true to your background (even to your own detriment; in my books that is honorable)

( Read about the other type of spivs in the white colour crime pages.)

Then, sometimes, good things do happen to good people. :)
OK no doubt I've done my quota in this thread.

Roll on Version5.

[FanJ]

-{ Quote: "There have been a few posters that seem to be unaware of the history as to why BOClean was originally released. And even for those that are, here's a few refreshers.

StevieO" }-

Hi StevieO,

The oldies here know ;)

[pugmug]

Just looking at the number of views to this week old thread one can tell there are a lot of hot little hands being gleefully rubed together waiting on their FREE copy of BoClean.Pity so few supported it when needed.I would say that the fight between M$ and PSC was a 50/50 split.PSC closed for M$ side yet BoClean lives on to bigger and better things for Kevin and Nancy.Keep up the good fight Kevin.

[besafe]

I would imagine that there are many in this forum like myself that are unaware of the history and that are simply excited to have a chance to finally try this product for free. I feel like I possibly do not understand the issues as I would think that the developers would be happy to sell and to finally have access to more resources and to finally end the struggle which seems to have consumerd much of their lives. Small business and working for yourself isn't always what people think it is. The way I see it, this could be a new beginning for Boclean, the start of the next chapter of the product's life cycle rather than the end.

Am I missing the issues?

[JimmyD]

-{ Quote: "
Am I missing the issues?" }-

Yeah....all of those people too cheap to purchase BOClean in the past are now jumping up and down demanding their free copy. If they had only purchased BOClean in the past (instead of living off of handouts) maybe Kevin & Nancy wouldn't have had to sell.

JD - thankful for having purchased BOClean years ago.

[besafe]

-{ Quote: "Yeah....all of those people too cheap to purchase BOClean in the past are now jumping up and down demanding their free copy. If they had only purchased BOClean in the past (instead of living off of handouts) maybe Kevin & Nancy wouldn't have had to sell.

JD - thankful for having purchased BOClean years ago." }-

Well, this is the first time I have ever heard the consumer being blamed for the failure of a product to sell. In general, if your product isn't selling, it is because the company has failed in some way. You either didn't market the product properly, didn't price it properly, or didn't produce a quality product that people want to buy. If blame must be assigned, I cannot blame the consumer.

In this case, even though I haven't yet tried Boclean, I do think it is a good product. I personally chose not to try the product because it did not offer a trial period. My guess is that many others were the same. That is the norm for security software. For whatever reason, the product was not sold in this fashion and I personally think they missed out on a lot of potential sales.

Would that have been enough to keep them up and running? Who knows? I can really and truly only speak for myself as to why I did not buy it. I would have tried the product with a free trial. Years ago I got a free trial to counterspy and bought it. I got a free trial to Spysweeper and bought it. I even got PC Tools to give me a free trial of Spyware Doctor and bought it. The only security product that I did not purchse after the free trial was Ewido and that was because it slowed down my machine.

Anyway, that's just my $.02 worth. I sincerly hope that the developers got paid well. They certainly put a ton of effort into Boclean.

[MalwareDie]

I think consumers should be blamed when good companies go out of business. You never see the biggest company have the best products, all they do is make themselves look good so consumers will go for their products. Leaving less business for the smaller companies with products that are actually good.

[Pedro]

Common, lets be serious. Blaming consumers, rubing hands for a freebie, etc.

Except for some posts here and there, saying that BOClean was good, i never saw anything that made me buy. That's the end of the story.

Also, have i known what was the company like (not talking about financial dificulties), i already said, i probably would have payed for it. It was a man and his wife, and a small company "family". I relate to that, and i also trust more in companies like that. Things are done better also.
I did not know. I did not buy. It's now freeware. I will try it out. Thank you Melih. Thank you Kevin and Nancy.

[Woody777]

Probably the reasons no one used BoClean very much (Besides a few concerned with Security Like Wilders members) was there was no Trial. Who was going to pay for something & install on reputation. It was also a small company & a relatively unknown application. It did not scan in the traditional sense. I'm sure it was not everyones cup of tea. People understand what a traditional scanner does but would they understand what BoClean does? I guess it scans files in memory (correct me if Im wrong) I've also never seen it for sale in retail outlets so there was really no great efforts made to promote it . I'm sure it sold by word of mouth & reputation. I predict that when all those who really want this product for free when comodo releases it quite a few will be unsure that they really want it. I have many unanswered questions like if you do have preexisting malware will BoClean catch this or do you need an on board scanner? Does it work with your antivirus & other security applications which may also scan memory? Times change small security companies like BoClean just do not usually survive forever. I think we are all lucky it just did not disappear.

[controler]

If anyone is to blame it is the malware writers these days. Their greed is
causing more economic problems then most want to admit. This is causing the
small security companies to fall out. Like Kevin said, it becomes overwhelming trying to keep up with maleware now days and FREE WARE. BoClean is and always will be the only security on my machines as long as Kevin still controls it, weather he is working alone of for someone else. I found in my old 50's age :-) it is easier to work for someone else if you enjoy that job. There are much less headaches.
In my mind there never has been a company that gave better support.
I think you made the right choice as apposed to just disappearing like DCS did.
I am sorry to hear you were going through so much troubled times the past years and hope things go well for you now that you have more free time.
Life is definitely short as we old timers realize more every day.
Good luck to you Kevin & Nancy and the Comodo Team.
Forget my earlier Symantec statement LOL

Bruce

[controler]

The question Woody is do we really need a slow file scanner when everything that runs is running by use of and in memory?

I am wonder about something though. If Vista was the finial nail for Boclean, what is different now? Vista is still here. Does this mean you will need to write totally different code for Vista to be compatible with Vista or is there no code that will work right on Vista?


Bruce

[pugmug]

Woody,read post #60 of this thread and you will learn why there was no free trial of BoClean.That is one of the main reasons I bought the program years ago on faith,rep or whatever you call it.Damn glad I did by the way.
ps. I wish the hand rubbing would stop it's causing my computer to heatup,lol.

[Paranoid2000]

-{ Quote: "The question Woody is do we really need a slow file scanner when everything that runs is running by use of and in memory?" }-While not Woody, I will attempt to provide an answer here...

For signature-based security (anti-virus, anti-trojan, etc) a file scanner is most definitely desireable, and BOClean has always been marketed as a supplement, not a replacement for anti-virus software.

The reason is that file-scanners get to check a program before it starts running. Memory scanners check it as it actually runs - so can only work if they identify malware before it does any real damage.

Kevin's past argument about packers and encryptors causing problems for file scanners is most certainly a valid one. However a memory scanner is not a 100%-sure solution since it has to be able to intervene at exactly the right moment (after malware has unpacked/decrypted but before it does anything else) and a skilled malware author could certainly exploit this.

BOClean itself will detect Steve Gibson's Leaktest (http://www.grc.com/lt/leaktest.htm) so subscribers can use this as a test (my experience has been somewhat inconsistent in that it will usually pick it up immediately on the first run, but often does so too late on subsequent ones).

Another point to consider - if BOClean is now free, malware authors will be able to examine it in more detail. PSC did "harden" it following Ntl's review (http://home.arcor.de/scheinsicherheit/boclean.htm) (encrypting the signature database in particular) but if BOClean has any hidden faultlines, they are going to be more exposed now.

[mercurie]

Points to be considered. Thanks Paranoid as always for posting your point of view as it always gives me something to think about. ;)

[pugmug]

4.11 review,bit old I would say.

[GES/POR]

-{ Quote: "

Another point to consider - if BOClean is now free, malware authors will be able to examine it in more detail. PSC did "harden" it (encrypting the signature database in particular) but if BOClean has any hidden faultlines, they are going to be more exposed now." }-

Say one uses fw,strong av, strong as and strong hips, would it still make sense to add comodo boclean to this setup whilest it will lose one of the advantage u speak off?

I presume malware authors crack any software ???

[cheater87]

I think It'll make it stronger.

[controler]

Paranoid2000
Security Expert

I truly respect your comments. I still wonder if a file scanner can detect morphed files. If it does it becomes much slower.
I also know Boclean uses sigs even for mem scanning and if it don't have the sigs it don't catch it.
I also know with the gromozon thang there was only a few that sent urgent files to BOClean first.
I am thinking the best answer to todays infections is a great product that can find infections without Def's. This is where it is going today.
I am sure Kevin forgot to mention the privats of the new software to come out of this merger.
I am excited to be able to see it and would like to be one of the first to say
I WANT TO BETA TEST IT!!!
I truly hope you don't disrespect me for my ROOTKIT ranting in past years.
They are now a reality as you & I know.



Bruce

[Longboard]

@Paranoid
well put

ntl alluded to the "secret' nature of BOClean coding because of the 'no trial' option adopted by PSC: lol I dont think he ever paid for a copy: he refused.
You are right that if the code is now freely available that some hackers will prolly pull it apart, especially if there are lots of Dls now it is free. :-\

I recall some spirited discussions involving ntl and various vendors : I miss his biting comments and skill. He did put a lot of time in.

That review was 2004 with v4.11 and afair Kevin did respond and I dont think ntl ever did a formal review of V4.22 ??

Afaik that reallwas the only lab test of BOClean that I ever saw from "recently"

There was this from 2006: http://illusivesecurity.pytalhost.com/viewtopic.php?t=136
Look down the page, even while (as we now know when Kevin was in trouble) BOClean was developing, and that was V4.12.

there was some "toing and froing" here, That didn't really extend his test results.
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=131785&highlight=cats.

Much of that thread is now somewhat irrelevant nowthat BoClean will be free

Heh: maybe ,.- will retest it as he can get a free dl under a nom de plume.

[StevieO]

I don't know if a lot of people realise this, but it was Nancy who set up and owned and ran the company day in day out from the beginning, and right up to it being sold. Kevin did the techy stuff, and Nancy handled everything else.

So they both deserve a lot of credit for all the've done over the ten years since it's inception.

Originally, and for many years, they had quite a number of corporate/governent clients which enabled them to survive and promote the business. But as has been recently explained, due to cutbacks etc these contracts were not renewed as they instead decided to just rely on an AV to try and protect them. False economy i know, and i wonder how many of them got infected due to their decisions !

Unfortunately due to the way PSC was set up, and for very good reasons so they couldn't be sued by the bad guys, they wern't able to offer a try before you buy option. This was a catch 22 situation which led to less people being able to install it and then spread the word around to everyone else. Not only that, but as they didn't and wouldn't charge for yearly updates as most other Anti companies do, they had to rely on new customers. Due to the previous explanations, this wasn't happening as often as it could have.

So i think Nancy deserves a lot more recognition for ALL she did, and also tried to do, on behalf of her customers throughout the years. And i certainly hope she was rewarded handsomely for all this by Comodo, because without her BOClean as we know it today, and a lot more peole will now be able to in the future, would not have existed at all !!!

Thank you Nancy, and of course not forgetting Kevin too,


StevieO

[EliteKiller]

FWIW here is the other BOClean thread.
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=169978

[sukarof]

-{ Quote: "Unfortunately due to the way PSC was set up, and for very good reasons so they couldn't be sued by the bad guys, they wern't able to offer a try before you buy option." }-

I didnt know this, if I would have I would have bought it because I hate this sick loophole that [not yet caught] criminals or big companies with resources use to make sure that they can do whatever they want.
tbh I thought that PSC only used the buy before you try concept to earn money on the fact that many users doesnt bother to get a refund. But reading all the comments about PSC I see that I was utterly wrong.

[besafe]

The part that I don't get is everyone assuming that this change will be for the worse. They still have Kevin and supposedly Kevin is now going to have more resources. I know that the trend is for products to go downhill after being purchased, but theis time very well could be different.

On some level, you gotta think that Kevin is releaved. He's been a slave to Boclean for how long? He might actually be abe to work normal hours now and still improve the program.

This really could be a win, win, win situation (Kevin wins, Comodo wins, and consumer wins). It will be interesting to hear the feedback from the people that presently use Boclean once Comodo-Boclean is released...

[trjam]

what stinks is, I want the product andcant get it. You would think Comodo would activate a link since it is going to be free.

[JimmyD]

Never mind.

[Pedro]

-{ Quote: "what stinks is, I want the product andcant get it. You would think Comodo would activate a link since it is going to be free." }-
I think it has to do with respecting customers, paper work, and a final exam on what changes. It takes time to put things in order.

[Coolio10]

-{ Quote: "what stinks is, I want the product andcant get it. You would think Comodo would activate a link since it is going to be free." }-

Is that all you think about?

Did you read the sad stories kevin told us? YOU HAVE NO HEART! >:(

Give kevin time to adjust!

[EASTER.2010]

-{ Quote: "I am thinking the best answer to todays infections is a great product that can find infections without Def's. This is where it is going today." }-

And is already surfaced in the form of behavioral blocking HIPS as i see it. Perhaps another reason for these type mergers if you take seriously in consideration both comments, the one regarding malware plus the release of Vista.

One fact is a given here, this technology is in constant transition as are the developers of programs in general, and the more things change, the more shuffling is bound to happen, with merger taking front & center with computer software programs these days. At least this is my view of things as they stand, maybe yours is different.

[TonyKlein]

-{ Quote: "Is that all you think about?

Did you read the sad stories kevin told us? YOU HAVE NO HEART! >:(

Give kevin time to adjust!" }-

Absolutely! ::)

Anyway, what's with the sudden rush? Comodo have only just acquired BOClean, and I suppose that in any case there will probably first have to be a few GUI changes before they release it under their own name

[greenhatch]

I'm a late entrant to this thread (oops :) ), very interesting comments. I bought BOClean a while back (and am content) and if the McAleaveys needed to sell up, I'm glad it was to a company like Comodo ( I use their firewall, a fine product). I'm actually looking forward to how Comodo Boclean develops! 8)

[trjam]

I think you should reread this thread for my comments on the folks who made this great product. My last statement was more of the same. I t was meant to intend that the product is so valuble that even depriving folks of it for a short period in wrong. Kevin and Nancy know how I feel about this and totallythink they were correct. My comments was just another salute to them and the product.:D

[TonyKlein]

-{ Quote: "I think you should reread this thread for my comments on the folks who made this great product. My last statement was more of the same. I t was meant to intend that the product is so valuble that even depriving folks of it for a short period in wrong. Kevin and Nancy know how I feel about this and totallythink they were correct. My comments was just another salute to them and the product.:D" }-

Alrighty then...;D

[extratime]

Very interesting thread. I just got finished reading through the whole thing.

Kevin sounds like a couple of my friends. Passionate and driven to honor his commitments.

I have to say I never bought BOClean, partly because of the trial issue and partly because I didn't really understand (until now) how it differed from other security products.

It was very sad to hear about all the troubles Kevin and Nancy have been through. I hope that with the Comodo buyout they will get an opportunity to get their lives back.

I don't know much about Melih but I think that what Comodo have done with their firewall has been extraordinary, with rapid improvements being made. Hopefully BOClean will remain a premier product under the Comodo flag.

To some of the posters I would say I think it is counter-productive to blame people for not buying a product. The world isn't fair and frankly in my experience it is becoming more unfair by the day. Sometimes a company can have a superior product and still fail. It's not anybody's fault. Luck plays a major role in success. And peversely sometimes being successful means compromising one's ethics at times (~I can think of a certain company based in Redmond~).

What's happened has now happened, for better or worse. It is more important to focus on the future. To that end I wish Kevin and Nancy the best!

[JimmyD]

-{ Quote: "To some of the posters I would say I think it is counter-productive to blame people for not buying a product. " }-

Maybe so, but from reading various security forums, I see a lot of people that were too cheap to buy BOClean, now demanding to know what is taking so long for their FREE copy to become available. It must be tough for Kevin to refrain from telling them all to GO POUND SAND!

There, I did it for him. :)

[LoneWolf]

-{ Quote: "Maybe so, but from reading various security forums, I see a lot of people that were too cheap to buy BOClean, now demanding to know what is taking so long for their FREE copy to become available. It must be tough for Kevin to refrain from telling them all to GO POUND SAND!

There, I did it for him. :)" }-

Somebody had to say it.;D I bought BOClean a while back and never regreted doing so.I just wish that I would have paid for it sooner then I did.Kevin and Nancy both deserve thanks for their hard work and dedication.

[CJsDad]

Kevin gave a good explanation of why its taking time to get the free BOClean out over on the Comodo forum and in part of the post he mentions "get it out or get it out right"?
I think it's funny too how everyone wants BOClean "yesterday" now that it's free.
I paid for BOClean and I damn sure don't regret doing so.

[danny9]

-{ Quote: "Maybe so, but from reading various security forums, I see a lot of people that were too cheap to buy BOClean, now demanding to know what is taking so long for their FREE copy to become available. It must be tough for Kevin to refrain from telling them all to GO POUND SAND!

There, I did it for him. :)" }-

Well Said!!!8)

[GES/POR]

-{ Quote: "Maybe so, but from reading various security forums, I see a lot of people that were too cheap to buy BOClean, now demanding to know what is taking so long for their FREE copy to become available. It must be tough for Kevin to refrain from telling them all to GO POUND SAND!

There, I did it for him. :)" }-

At Wich forums are people demanding the program?

I keep up with the comodo boclean threads @ wilders,broadbanddsl and comodo/boclean. There is no demanding there only questioning and blessings.

Im wondering if it's so evil to wanna try out a free legal program then y release it for free in the first place. If kevin and fans find dislike for new free customers maybe they should take it up with the devil Melih?

[pugmug]

Free customer?

[extratime]

GES/POR if you read the thread there was a couple of posters in this thread who were a bit strident in asking when the free version would be available, and why it wasn't available for downloading immediately. Were they "demanding" it? Depends on how you interpret the posts in question.

So I do understand where JimmyD is coming from to an extent, and even why Kevin was a bit miffed.

Emotions are a running high here and I think some people are upset that other people seem to be a bit ungrateful for all the hard work that Kevin and Nancy have put in over the years, especially because in due course they will get a free version of BOClean.

It was not my intention to further inflame this issue. My only point is great products don't always translate into successful businesses. Playing the blame game is pointless.

Let's look forward to the future. Kevin has landed on his feet and the product will be further strenghtened (we hope) with Comodo's resources. Sounds like a win-win.

[CJsDad]

Read this post, especially the last paragraph http://forums.comodo.com/index.php/topic,7641.msg56728.html#msg56728

[pepim]

-{ Quote: "Free customer?" }-

Yes, a new conception. ::)

[Pedro]

Trjam was misunderstood, or he chose his words wrong. Just like GES/POR chose "customer" by mistake.

[GES/POR]

Im dutch for ~snipped~ sake! "free customer" All new customers as of take over get program for free thus i said free customer wich is incorrect boohoo.

Ok ok, "free customer" could also be seen as the thingh Kevin has always been waitin for. It seems boclean had too few customers to keep it alive forever now that it will be free they will get plenty of new costumers for free, yes for free to promote comodo. History: too few customers Future: plenty customers for free, not need payin me for small not very known program. Win win, now be happy yall.

[LoneWolf]

-{ Quote: " now be happy yall." }-

I was already happy. BOClean has saved my ass in the past.

[pepim]

-{ Quote: "Im dutch for ~ snipped ~ sake! "free customer" All new customers as of take over get program for free thus i said free customer wich is incorrect boohoo.

Ok ok, "free customer" could also be seen as the thingh Kevin has always been waitin for. It seems boclean had too few customers to keep it alive forever now that it will be free they will get plenty of new costumers for free, yes for free to promote comodo. History: too few customers Future: plenty customers for free, not need payin me for small not very known program. Win win, now be happy yall." }-

Are you familiar with the definition of customers? :dry:

[EASTER.2010]

-{ Quote: "Anyway, what's with the sudden rush? " }-

I believe most users already know that answer with some acuuracy.
Hello again TonyKlein. 8)

Theres likely almost as big a following of a desire for BoClean by many who either couldn't afford to add yet another security prog to their arsenal beit for whatever reason, but still relished it enough with envy over the glowing results experienced by many satisfied customers.

Although i will admit i never used BoClean even though i could purchased it at any time. I always regarded it as a more automated program requiring little if any user interaction from my end of things while at same time Xtremely formidable, offering any user more than enough protection against m'ware.

As a matter of choice i always preferred as much interaction from security programs (such as reviewing "live" stats, observing behavior while suspended, capturing as many "live" samples) that i could. Time consuming at best and not for most.

I will add this, if i had no real interest in m'ware behaviors for research or my things was to surf the net with the best overall protections made available, BoClean would have instantly been one of only a few other choices (AV/AS) to round out my PC security. Of that there is no doubt in my mind.

[trjam]

the way I said it, sucked and by no means did I mean for it to sound like that. Kevin and Nancy are good folks, and yes I want to get BoClean, but I am the last person at this forum, that cares about getting, ANY PRODUCT FREE. Those who know me well, know paying is what I prefer.