Comodo Aquires BoClean!

[mercurie]

I only used Comodo Firewall for a brief time. But considered it to be a good product. (Free or not consider the actual quality of the program first).

To all the many who think that Comodo is a really great Firewall and there are many I know I get around. :shifty:

Don't you think it speaks volumns of good for BOClean product that Comodo people want this marriage. I do! ;)

CJsDad, thanks for the link...another useful insite into what is happening and the thought processes of those involved.

[Mele20]

Sure...but what if it is the other way around? Comodo was the worst firewall I have ever tried. I won't touch the free BoClean because I am sure Comodo will screw it up also. I don't need a program I can't configure before it runs and that locks the computer so badly on reboot after installing the program that I have to resort to the button on the tower. That is a gigantic no-no and Comodo is just a junk bunch of upstarts that just want to sell their certs. Anything that conflicts with PG is an awful application in my book and that is what their firewall does. It just boggles my mind that a firewall would start to run before the user was given a chance to configure it. I understand Kevin and Nancy's need to sell...but to the worst possible people? UGH.

[Coolio10]

-{ Quote: "Sure...but what if it is the other way around? Comodo was the worst firewall I have ever tried. I won't touch the free BoClean because I am sure Comodo will screw it up also. I don't need a program I can't configure before it runs and that locks the computer so badly on reboot after installing the program that I have to resort to the button on the tower. That is a gigantic no-no and Comodo is just a junk bunch of upstarts that just want to sell their certs. Anything that conflicts with PG is an awful application in my book and that is what their firewall does. It just boggles my mind that a firewall would start to run before the user was given a chance to configure it. I understand Kevin and Nancy's need to sell...but to the worst possible people? UGH." }-

I dont understand you? Why do you keep bashing comodo firewall? Everyone has hated a piece of software sometime but you just keep mentioning it. If i didnt like the firewall i would just so i didnt like it but in tests its obviously proven to be the safest. I can see someone hating it if it damaged their system in some way. The firewall team listens to users via the wishlist and Melih himself sometimes updates it! The firewall team gives updates for comodo firewall around every 2 months, thats triple most of those shareware firewall companies.

You might say im just one of those fanboys but at first i also thought the firewall was bad but since v2 its been great. The only thing i want more is automatic rule creation to make it beginner friendly.

And when you say worst possible people? You say norton, mcafee, microsoft! All those companies would remove it for less competition and they could steal the engine and rebrand it under Norton anti-trojan and make you pay twice the regular amount.

You may not like their product but you could atleast respect them for making all their products free. Also process guard works similarly as comodo firewall. The only reason they conflict is the behaviour blocker, so in other words Comodo was just taking place of process guard, i bet all you had to do was turn off one of the modules. If that didnt fix it it still doesnt mean it will stay a bug forever.

Also do you know that the firewall wasnt made as long ago as some big companies like Norton, Mcafee yet still beats them down at leaktests? I think thats a big achievement.

[Pedro]

-{ Quote: "Sure...but what if it is the other way around? Comodo was the worst firewall I have ever tried. I won't touch the free BoClean because I am sure Comodo will screw it up also. I don't need a program I can't configure before it runs and that locks the computer so badly on reboot after installing the program that I have to resort to the button on the tower. That is a gigantic no-no and Comodo is just a junk bunch of upstarts that just want to sell their certs. Anything that conflicts with PG is an awful application in my book and that is what their firewall does. It just boggles my mind that a firewall would start to run before the user was given a chance to configure it. I understand Kevin and Nancy's need to sell...but to the worst possible people? UGH." }-
So you had conflicts (for the first time, a program or two were conflicting on your pc), and you can't configure it before running it (a pain to disconnect the cable until you feel comfortable). Next you're going to refer to modules you don't like (and can disable). Even if you don't want anything but a packet filter, you can do it with Comodo (using the network monitor, and disabling all else).

I never had serious problems with Comodo. Disabling dll injection (there's some bug that wastes resourses at the moment) makes it the lightest FW i've seen. Sure there must be other lighter FWs, but i didn't test that many.

Point is, it's a good FW until some valid arguements are brought to my attention. A conflict in your machine who knows when and if it's been fixed, does not provide reasoning to dismiss it. I think you should reconsider such harsh words (unless you met them in person, and something personal...).
Sorry, my opinion, very honest opinion. The same Kevin you like is the one who says everything is ok.

[monsunami]

As a gamer, Comodo is probably the most compatable "FREE" firewall for my computer. Some games require some anti-hack (punkbuster, gameguard, etc.) that would hose my system when using any other firewall than comodo. They even have a thread on their forums to make sure if anyone has problems with gaming compatibility. It is pretty light on my computer and configurable. The only problem I have encountered is logging issues but that is pretty much it.

[Seishin]

-{ Quote: "Sure...but what if it is the other way around? Comodo was the worst firewall I have ever tried. I won't touch the free BoClean because I am sure Comodo will screw it up also. I don't need a program I can't configure before it runs and that locks the computer so badly on reboot after installing the program that I have to resort to the button on the tower. That is a gigantic no-no and Comodo is just a junk bunch of upstarts that just want to sell their certs. Anything that conflicts with PG is an awful application in my book and that is what their firewall does. It just boggles my mind that a firewall would start to run before the user was given a chance to configure it. I understand Kevin and Nancy's need to sell...but to the worst possible people? UGH." }-

You starting to behave like a troll that like to hang out in security forums. Stop your whingeing, if you don't like Comodo don't use it and period. I had compatibility issues in the past with other software and never started bashing those products in public and looking down on them.

Easy to criticise but not so easy to create and let alone give it for free.

Why don't you start a Mele Firewall? See how you go.

Grow up!

[Seishin]

-{ Quote: "the way I said it, sucked and by no means did I mean for it to sound like that. Kevin and Nancy are good folks, and yes I want to get BoClean, but I am the last person at this forum, that cares about getting, ANY PRODUCT FREE. Those who know me well, know paying is what I prefer." }-

Well, everything in my machine is FREE (except my router) and so far so good. Did you know that most Linux distros are free as well?

Can't believe this nonsense.

[Chubb]

Just read the daily BOClean e-mail update notice and found the following:

-{ Quote: "BOClean 4.23 for VISTA and others coming in about a week." }-
Not sure if this was included in previous update notice.

[Blackcat]

-{ Quote: "Just read the daily BOClean e-mail update notice and found the following:Not sure if this was included in previous update notice." }-
Yep, I saw this in my daily update e-mail about a week ago ;)
-{ Quote: " I won't touch the free BoClean because I am sure Comodo will screw it up also." }-
I do not see any logic in this statement.

[flimbag]

-{ Quote: "
I do not see any logic in this statement." }-So

I have no experience of Comodo or any of their products (aside from a free cert to secure my email, IIRC) until I started reading this thread.

A couple of days ago, I downloaded their free backup facility. I hated the fact that it also installed a special Comodo launcher before it would run, but then as soon as I did run it, Windows XP BSOD'ed, complaining that a driver was trying to write to a protected kernel area.

This experience has made me somewhat disinclined to try out any of Comodo's other offerings.

The free cert was excellent though

[Coolio10]

-{ Quote: "So

I have no experience of Comodo or any of their products (aside from a free cert to secure my email, IIRC) until I started reading this thread.

A couple of days ago, I downloaded their free backup facility. I hated the fact that it also installed a special Comodo launcher before it would run, but then as soon as I did run it, Windows XP BSOD'ed, complaining that a driver was trying to write to a protected kernel area.

This experience has made me somewhat disinclined to try out any of Comodo's other offerings.

The free cert was excellent though" }-

Yes, comodo products are known to give BSOD's, once i installed CAVS v1 it caused a BSOD which was easy to fix just by uninstalling it. I am willing to try CAVS again but only after its out of beta.

[Blackcat]

-{ Quote: " I have no experience of Comodo or any of their products (aside from a free cert to secure my email, IIRC) until I started reading this thread. A couple of days ago, I downloaded their free backup facility. I hated the fact that it also installed a special Comodo launcher before it would run, but then as soon as I did run it, Windows XP BSOD'ed, complaining that a driver was trying to write to a protected kernel area.

This experience has made me somewhat disinclined to try out any of Comodo's other offerings.

" }-
It still does not follow that BOClean will show the same problems. Kevin, apparently, will still be in charge of his program and this is good enough for me; being a satisfied BOClean user for over 4 years now.

[mercurie]

Yes, that is my understanding too. Further more I also understand that you will be able to keep BOClean totally seperate with out having to go with Comodo products.

Having said all of this I will now "sin" :ouch: and say if things do not work out. I know where I will go next. AVG Suite. It is my backup plan. Always have a plan B my friends. ;)

EDIT: Flimbag said: "I hated the fact that it also installed a special Comodo launcher..."

Yes, I forgot about that. I too did not care for the launcher. :P

[EASTER.2010]

Anyone care to gamble on an exact day the new Comodo BoClean will hit the public server for download?

If you ask me, they shot off at the lip a little too early in their tentative mentioning or imaginary conjecture of releasing it for public consumption last week. So here we go into week #2 after that announcement of a release and the clock is still ticking.

[ronjor]

Several off topic posts removed.

It's best not to speculate on release dates concerning software programs. In my experience, projected release dates are missed more often than made.

[Perman]

Hi, folks: Business acquisition often does not looks as simple as money and ownership exchanges. Especially, BOClean has had a N.Y. Court ruling haning over their head. Until that legal obligations are met and then perhaps there is a good chance to see its rebirth. Let's hope that day will come much sooner than expected.

[flimbag]

-{ Quote: "It still does not follow that BOClean will show the same problems. Kevin, apparently, will still be in charge of his program and this is good enough for me; being a satisfied BOClean user for over 4 years now." }-

I agree that it doesn't follow. My point was that, given past Comodo offerings, a wait and see scepticism is far from illogical.

[trjam]

I know Kevin and Comodo are working hard and we will all soon reap the rewards, and I hope both of them do to. This is one product that has a loyal following and secure detection history. I am waiting to, but Kevin knows best.:)

[EASTER.2010]

-{ Quote: "Several off topic posts removed.

It's best not to speculate on release dates concerning software programs. In my experience, projected release dates are missed more often than made." }-

Understood ronjor and although it could be interpreted and perceived as encouraging speculation, i really meant it to lighten the sting of anticipation. At any rate BoClean will no doubt get plenty of scrutiny and not just speculation when it finally is released and put to the test by users.

Good Day

[extratime]

Last I read the Comodo/BoClean forum the delay is two-fold:
- Main problem is getting the Vista certification done. Apparently this is a huge bureaucratic headache and is one of the reasons PSC finally sold out to a company with more resources.
- Minor changes to the GUI, rebranding the product as Comodo-BoClean.

Be patient I think the free version will be out in a couple of weeks.

[trjam]

Looks like Comodo is shooting for the middle of next week to have BoClean ready for release.

[cheater87]

YAY :thumb:

[besafe]

I sure hope they don't change the name to Comodo Clean. That sounds too much like Clean the Comode :)

[CJsDad]

The name will be Comodo BOClean Anti-Malware

Heres a small icon picture of CBAM

http://forums.comodo.com/index.php/topic,7889.msg57837.html#msg57837

[mercurie]

-{ Quote: "I sure hope they don't change the name to Comodo Clean. That sounds too much like Clean the Comode :)" }-I was having difficulty in picking a name in the contest over in Comodo Forum...but ruled out that name for the same reason. :thumb:

[JerryM]

Too bad. If you had picked the right name you might have gotten a free copy.;D

Best,
Jerry

[Perman]

Hi, folks: No kidding? Anti-malware ? Wasn't Ewido gone thru the very same path? Ewido> Anti-malware>AVG Anti-Spyware ? Now AVG Anti-malware does contain AV function. Will C-B Anti-malware include AV in very near future?or they have an innovative concept for a big surprise? Let the game begin! Best wishes to C-B Anti-malware(?).

[Mele20]

Through out all of this the most important question has never been answered and pointedly ignored by Kevin. How is BoClean going to survive (Comodo not withstanding) without the protection of the NY court ruling making it a private club? I don't think it can in the long run and I feel it very telling that there has been NO answer to this question from Comodo or Kevin. I think this is the beginning of the end for BoClean. I have read nothing to convince me otherwise, in fact, everything I have read just solidifies my belief.

[malformed]

-{ Quote: "How is BoClean going to survive (Comodo not withstanding) without the protection of the NY court ruling making it a private club? " }-The same way every other Anti-X application does.

How is "Comodo not withstanding" relevant? It's irrelevant, BoClean is now the property of Comodo, it doesn't exist outside that context.

[danny9]

-{ Quote: "The same way every other Anti-X application does.

How is "Comodo not withstanding" relevant? It's irrelevant, BoClean is now the property of Comodo, it doesn't exist outside that context." }-

I think Mele20 bought up a point that some of the long time users may still be wondering about.
But....The BOClean we knew, used and loved all these years is gone.
It's "private club" status does not exist any more being there is no private club today.
Nancy and Kevin are not the owners any more.
The only thing that is relevant right now is that this is a Comodo product, to do with as they please.8)
We have to forget what BOClean was, and now wait, to see what it will become.

[Perman]

Hi, folks: Is Comodo's property, and they can do anyway they please ? Not so. It all depends upon what has contained in the aged court documents. Comodo may be a rich company, but to fork out $ acquiring another company w/ legal restriction hanging overhead and then turn it into a freeware. I did not see too many this type of takeover, except, of course, MS's purchase of Giant AS two years ago. But Microsoft is so rich that they do not mind losing their heads once a while, but Comodo,? I do not know. Their hidden agenda is what I am curious to find out. Again Comodo may throw us a curve ball, and each of us may just miss it. Best luck to C-B antimalware's debut, in next few days ? eh?

[danny9]

-{ Quote: "...... Best luck to C-B antimalware's debut, in next few days ? eh?" }-

Definitely, All the best to C-B.8)

[mwb1100]

-{ Quote: "Through out all of this the most important question has never been answered and pointedly ignored by Kevin. How is BoClean going to survive (Comodo not withstanding) without the protection of the NY court ruling making it a private club?" }-

It seems to me that the private club issue was never part of the court ruling - it was simply one of the claims that Privacy Software Corporation (PSC) made. If you carefully read the press release:

http://www.privsoft.com/archive/nws-dsc.html

there are several items that relate to the NY court:

1) a settlement was reached between PSC and whoever the unnamed Netbus dealer was, that the lawsuit would be dropped if PSC added an opt-out to tag Netbus as a trojan
2) the NY court approved the settlement, which indicates that the opt-out was an 'adequate remedy'
3) the 'private club' claim is just an assertion by PSC that they believe allows them to designate whatever they want (on behalf of their subscribers) as malware. As far as the press release mentions, that particular claim was never tested in court.

So, it seems to me that the fact that BOClean might no longer be a 'private club' does not make BOClean or Comodo any more vulnerable to legal action that any other anti-malware software. I don't think it'll have any impact on the survival of BOClean.

Of course, the standard disclaimer applies: I'm not a lawyer, and I have no information about any legal proceedings that PSC might have been involved in except what's in the above mentioned link. I'm just giving what I believe is a common-sense interpretation of the press release.

[Perman]

hi, folks: So this "private club" thing is actually served as a Shiled for BoClean to repel any potential legal tangles resulting from designating any malwares they see it fit. Under that protection, they do not have to retreat any def updates just because of other's objections. No wonder they made BoClean a supertool w/ a freehand. After this merger, will they still enjoy this privilege ? We will find out very soon.

[Rainwalker]

-{ Quote: ". I think this is the beginning of the end for BoClean. I have read nothing to convince me otherwise, in fact, everything I have read just solidifies my belief." }-

Ditto.......such is life..

[JimmyD]

-{ Quote: " How is BoClean going to survive (Comodo not withstanding) without the protection of the NY court ruling making it a private club? I don't think it can in the long run and I feel it very telling that there has been NO answer to this question from Comodo or Kevin. " }-

Melih has responded. I specifically asked him about it in this thread:

http://forums.comodo.com/index.php/topic,7549.30.html

My post is #44 and Melih's reply is #45.

Furthermore, when you asked the same question in the thread at Broadband Reports, I pointed out my post (and Melih's reply) and you commented on it. So, you are incorrect when you say there has been NO answer to this question from Comodo.

Here's the thread at BBR:
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075683~days=9999~start=100

My post is on page 6, your reply is on page 7. Basically Melih isn't worried about any malware companies trying to sue, he says Comodo has enough legal power to take them on. You then claim that he must not have understood the question and was boasting.

[pugmug]

Look's like Tue. April 24th. for ver.4.23 release.

[LoneWolf]

Personily I'm not worried.Been using BOClean for a while now.(Great app)
I believe Kevin when he stated that BOClean would only get better.
Never regretted buying it. Only regretted not buying it sooner.

[pugmug]

After rereading this entire thread again, I have to wonder why some people seem to want to bring a fine security app. like BoClean down with half or no truth post.

[mercurie]

Comodo Firewall for free....Comodo AV for free....

Now BOClean now part of Comodo security company....for free....seems only logical step in the business plan to me. :-\

I only wonder how many companies who really did not want to make a bid now wish they did. Kind of like I don't want them but I don't want anyone else to have them either. They're so effective I just wish they would go away. Competition isn't it great. :thumb:

[Mele20]

-{ Quote: "Melih has responded. I specifically asked him about it in this thread:

http://forums.comodo.com/index.php/topic,7549.30.html

My post is #44 and Melih's reply is #45.

Furthermore, when you asked the same question in the thread at Broadband Reports, I pointed out my post (and Melih's reply) and you commented on it. So, you are incorrect when you say there has been NO answer to this question from Comodo.

Here's the thread at BBR:
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18075683~days=9999~start=100

My post is on page 6, your reply is on page 7. Basically Melih isn't worried about any malware companies trying to sue, he says Comodo has enough legal power to take them on. You then claim that he must not have understood the question and was boasting." }-


Yes, Melih said that but it was obvious he doesn't understand. (I don't think 1 in a 1000 understand...look at the confusion here and at dslr when this ruling is mentioned). I wanted Kevin or actually Nancy to answer it. She is the one, the only one, to really be able to answer this. If she has said anything I have forgotten it but I don't think she has plus Kevin is the one who has been doing all the forum talking. I do not believe Melih has the money or will want to spend the money if he really does have it. I think he is stringing Kevin along while blowing airbubbles. Kevin and Nancy evidently had no choice but to sell so now they are trying to convince themselves that it will all work out ok. And it probably will in the short run...until the sleazeballs step up the pressure and start suing.

[JimmyD]

-{ Quote: " I do not believe Melih has the money or will want to spend the money if he really does have it. I think he is stringing Kevin along while blowing airbubbles." }-

Well, I guess we'll all just have to wait and see.

I am curious about something though. You obviously have an axe to grind with Melih, you knock him at every opportunity in various security forums. What exactly did he do to get on your bad side? ~Off topic comments removed - Ron~ From the posts of his that I have read, he seems to be sincere when he says he wants to help everyone, plus he is making his software available for free. Kevin also speaks highly of him and Kevin is known to speak his mind even when it negatively affects his business.

So, care to explain the chip on your shoulder regarding Melih and Comodo?

[extratime]

Umm, Mele20 why are you convinced that people will be rushing to sue Comodo BoClean?

The company that had sued earlier has since gone out of business. Also times have changed since then, and now the courts look much more unfavorably on
malware creators.

That time PSC was picked on because they were a small company. Now Comodo will probably have a few lawyers on retainer.

All providers of AV and anti-malware software faces legal threats from time to time, but usually these are just legal bluffs.

So why do you think Comodo will be especially vulnerable now?

[mercurie]

I have reread the link on the BOClean history and the law suit (it has been a while). I now have placed that in context of the merger.

The good news: BOClean can still be described as a "subscription service".

The bad news it is now free to the general public...opps :-\ .

However times have changed. If this issue arises again there is more likely imho that the courts would rule in favor of security companies due to the increase in malware related headaches. Particullarly I. D. theft. How many judges have been spammed today. How many in a jury box have gotten their system hosed by crapware.

I do hope that if Comodo were to be sued that they would really be a dragon and not a salamander (the fire breather and not the little silent creature that runs).

EDIT: I see while I was typing extratime was reading my mind. :thumb:

[Perman]

hi, folks; Legal tangles are not healthy signs for a growing company such as Comodo. Fighting vigorously and at any costs against maleware writers is certainly a great news and firm support for its users, but at end of the day, that retainer will hurt their balance sheets, and stock holders (if a publicly traded already) are likely not wanting to see their dividends to be swallowed by these Legal Staff. I do admire the courage and vision the new owner posesses. Perhaps Bill Gates shoud invite him to sit w/ MS advisory board.

[BlueZannetti]

-{ Quote: "Yes, Melih said that but it was obvious he doesn't understand. (I don't think 1 in a 1000 understand...look at the confusion here and at dslr when this ruling is mentioned)." }-Mele20,

Part of the confusion is probably tied to the lack of an explicit document for all to read from.

I'd put my own reading of the situation as "muddled". Although quoted many times elsewhere, I'll just repeat that acccording (http://www.privsoft.com/archive/nws-dsc.html) to the PSC archives:-{ Quote: "Our corporate lawyer and our management contested the assertion, and prior to trial came to a settlement with the dealer (now defunct) which determined that BOClean would be provided with a "Do NOT detect Netbus" option in order to stop BOClean from detecting Netbus *IF* the end user so desired. A legal precedent was also set under New York jurisdiction (we're a New York Corporation legally) by this settlement which was upheld by the courts. Our "option" to NOT detect at the discretion of the end user was an "adequate remedy" under New York State law, and BOClean is governed by same." }-I'm not sure what this means, since providers of antimalware are not carriers (common or private) under standard use of the term. Publicly traversed networks such as the Internet are often treated as common carriers, but this is a program typically installed on an end-node PC in a private residence/corporate location. I'm not a lawyer, so I really can't argue the legal fine points. I can understand the pretrial settlement part, a simple change was instituted to make the case go away and save everyone the costs associated with a trial. However, the remainder is a little hazy. Like any precedent, it is subject to challenge if anyone were to desire.

As in all matters pertaining to law, anyone can initiate a case against anyone else for virtually anything - that doesn't mean the case has legel merit or that it wouldn't be tossed on the first day of trial if one were actually held.

Blue

[Longboard]

:thumb:
Dead issue.
Resolved then with #$%!)*& Netbus: No longer relevant
Fwik: The issue set a precedent then and BOClean and PSC were able to forestall any further actions by applying the "private subscription" approach.

Highly unlikely there could be a successful prosecution or civil suit now, even if so a precedent already set for solution.

I was never sure if there were any other unresolved legals affecting PSC: Kevin made some veiled references here and there ?:(

theres a thread at dslr where 'NetFixer' is being chased by an allegation of slander from a post 2 years ago.
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18208144

[controler]

http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/70015


Remember this thread found here
http://forum.kaspersky.com/index.php?showtopic=5767&st=80&p=38469&#entry38469

It is now confirmed by Kevin McAleavey that the Sony rootkit(s) install the moment you insert the CD BEFORE YOU READ THE EULA. The rootkit REMAINS INSTALLED EVEN IF YOU DECLINE THE AGREEMENT.

The class action lawsuit filed in New York, on behalf of all affected USA customers, now has BoClean (incorporated in New York) as a party to suit.

This latest development, and Kevin becoming an expert witness in the class action suit, just about seals Sony's fate and also guarantees criminal charges against Sony in the USA courts. Sony has acted with malice toward its customers.

First4Internet has also been sued in the same class action lawsuit in New York.

However, lawsuits take a very long time to wind their way through the courts (years). In the meantime, users who have the Sony Rootkit(s) on their computers are faced with a bleak decision. Either keep the rootkit which allows Sony to be privy to all communication between the computer and optical drive or reformat. No tool, including Microsoft's, will remove the wire tap portion of the rootkit. Very advanced users can attempt the steps Mark Russinovich detailed in his blog.


EVERYONE PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING THREAD AND SUPPORT KEVIN in his fight with his lawyers to be able to release a free tool to remove the wire tap portion (filter driver components) of the Sony rootkit as well as the rest of it. Kevin promised this tool last Friday (BoClean already stops its installation but the tool was to be free for all those who already have the infection and didn't have BoClean to prevent it). Now Kevin's lawyers are saying he can be sued (even criminally) if he releases this tool! Microsoft's tool, Computer Associates, Sophos, etc. NONE of these tools remove the wire tap portion! Kevin explains all of this in this thread and is asking for support of his position, from readers of the thread, so that he can convince his attorneys. He has asked his attorneys to read the thread. Kevin explains why Kaspersky and others have either done nothing, or are providing a tool that only uncloaks, or in Microsoft's case, removes only a PORTION of the rootkit.

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14802823


oh and will through a DRM link of a thred about our well known Starforce.

I wonder if Mele is trying to make us aware of the fact that Maleware writers of today are in it for the money unlike years ago the kiddies did it to wreck your computer and that is not only SMALL maleware companies that file lawsuits but ALSO large companies such as Starforce & Sony. I don't know Melih but I know Kevin & Nancy and what kind of honerable people they are and trust they would not work for someone they did not trust even if they were backed into a ever getting worse corner.


Even Microsoft got sued by Blue MT gretting cards because of a filter in OE that sent the cards to the junk mail folder LOL
http://www.ttgnet.com/daynotes/1999/0315RTDN.html
Thursday, March 18, 1999

Well, Internet Explorer 5.0 is due to be released today. I haven't tried to download it yet, but I'll do so as soon as I finish and post this. Thankfully, the release of IE5 was not delayed by the Blue Mountain Arts lawsuit.

Even in 99 Kevin was battling with MS's GUID in Win98 as you can read at the last posted link LOL

[JimmyD]

Here's a new post from Kevin in the Comodo forums about the past lawsuit:

http://forums.comodo.com/index.php/topic,8127.0.html

[danny9]

-{ Quote: "Here's a new post from Kevin in the Comodo forums about the past lawsuit:

http://forums.comodo.com/index.php/topic,8127.0.html" }-

Thanks for sharing.
Water under the bridge as many posters have already said and Kevin confirms again.8)

[strangequark]

ok folks time to stop arguing and start downloading
new boclean available here
http://forums.comodo.com/index.php/topic,7641.150.html

[aigle]

Really!!

[Mele20]

-{ Quote: "Thanks for sharing.
Water under the bridge as many posters have already said and Kevin confirms again.8)" }-

That doesn't change anything. The issue is still there and very real. If you guys don't understand I'm tired of trying to explain it. The legal concept is not hard grasp. I don't understand the confusion among so many people.

My point still stands: BoClean has lost its protection under NY law as a private club. That means when, not if, malware writers decide to go after it that Melih has to cough up a lot of dough to fight them. I think he probably will once...after that..I have serious doubts and I think we are likely to see an AdAware pulled on the users and most users won't even know what hit them as we didn't for a long while with AdAware. I'd feel much better if it was Sunbelt that had bought BoClean.

Further, why is Kevin writing about it? It was Nancy's ballgame and she is the one to answer the current questions but she is staying silent...why?

[Firecat]

-{ Quote: "Further, why is Kevin writing about it? It was Nancy's ballgame and she is the one to answer the current questions but she is staying silent...why?" }-

I can't comment on the rest of your post but I do remember Kevin saying that Nancy was done with software and the industry, which is why it would seem that she has no more involvement with BOClean at all.

[Woody777]

I downloaded the version of comodo/Boclean that was on the forums at Comodo. It works fine no problems> I would like to thank all who combined to make this fine security tool available. Why all this talk about an obscure court case that some distributor was using so that they could continue selling netbus. Comodo is now in charge of this companys legal matters. I don't think Melih is loseing any sleep over this. He has lawyers, He's undoubtedly been sued a few times by other companys for some reason or the other. Lawsuits are just part of the business of running a security company. ~Off topic comments removed - Ron~

[Pedro]

I think this interesting post was overlooked.
-{ Quote: "It seems to me that the private club issue was never part of the court ruling - it was simply one of the claims that Privacy Software Corporation (PSC) made. If you carefully read the press release:

http://www.privsoft.com/archive/nws-dsc.html

there are several items that relate to the NY court:

1) a settlement was reached between PSC and whoever the unnamed Netbus dealer was, that the lawsuit would be dropped if PSC added an opt-out to tag Netbus as a trojan
2) the NY court approved the settlement, which indicates that the opt-out was an 'adequate remedy'
3) the 'private club' claim is just an assertion by PSC that they believe allows them to designate whatever they want (on behalf of their subscribers) as malware. As far as the press release mentions, that particular claim was never tested in court.

So, it seems to me that the fact that BOClean might no longer be a 'private club' does not make BOClean or Comodo any more vulnerable to legal action that any other anti-malware software. I don't think it'll have any impact on the survival of BOClean.

Of course, the standard disclaimer applies: I'm not a lawyer, and I have no information about any legal proceedings that PSC might have been involved in except what's in the above mentioned link. I'm just giving what I believe is a common-sense interpretation of the press release." }-

[mwb1100]

-{ Quote: "That doesn't change anything. The issue is still there and very real. If you guys don't understand I'm tired of trying to explain it. The legal concept is not hard grasp. I don't understand the confusion among so many people.

My point still stands: BoClean has lost its protection under NY law as a private club. That means when, not if, malware writers decide to go after it that Melih has to cough up a lot of dough to fight them." }-

I think that this is a simple matter of you believing that the 'private club' claim was all that was protecting BOClean/PSC. I think that it has been made quite clear here and in other forums that the private club claim was only a small part (maybe not even a significant part) of whatever protection from lawsuits that PSC had. It's simply not as important as you seem to believe.

-{ Quote: "Further, why is Kevin writing about it? It was Nancy's ballgame and she is the one to answer the current questions but she is staying silent...why?" }-

Are you really saying that Kevin's take on this isn't authoritative enough for you?!

[19monty64]

I think that the aquisition of BoClean will be a "sensitive-topic" for some for quite a while!!! AVG's purchase of Ewido still fires up debate after a year...

[JimmyD]

-{ Quote: "Further, why is Kevin writing about it? It was Nancy's ballgame and she is the one to answer the current questions but she is staying silent...why?" }-

Dude, you are really losing me here. In a previous post you wrote:

"Through out all of this the most important question has never been answered and pointedly ignored by Kevin.

I don't think it can in the long run and I feel it very telling that there has been NO answer to this question from Comodo or Kevin."

So, you initially wondered why Kevin and Comodo had not commented on the court ruling. I then pointed out posts where they both made statements about it. NOW, you question why Kevin is even writing about it and you have moved on to target Nancy. Exactly what are your motives? You never did explain your grudge against Comodo & Melih and now it seems that it's moved on to Kevin and soon to Nancy. Your agenda seems to be quite simple. Attack Comodo and all those involved. Why? Only you know and refuse to answer.

[extratime]

I agree that Mele20 has some axe to grind. People have been extraordinarily patient and answered his queries several times over here, and also by pointing him to replies in the Comodo forum.

If he chooses to ignore the responses and keep bashing Melih/Comodo/Kevin then I think it is clear that he has a hidden agenda.

It is a free tool (at the moment) so why complain. Nobody is forcing anybody to use it.

Why keep talking about hypothetical legal threats?

And if the discussion is only about hypotheticals why talk about just BoClean. Surely other anti-malware providers could be faced with the same future threats.

[strangequark]

-{ Quote: "I think that the aquisition of BoClean will be a "sensitive-topic" for some for quite a while!!! AVG's purchase of Ewido still fires up debate after a year..." }-
I agree, debate is a good thing an essential thing, if the rules of debate are followed ................. but venting one's spleen has nothing to do with debate.

-{ Quote: "I do remember Kevin saying that Nancy was done with software and the industry, which is why it would seem that she has no more involvement with BOClean at all." }-
you can be sure if she wasn't through with it before she would be after some of the stuff flying around here.

[Firecat]

-{ Quote: "you can be sure if she wasn't through with it before she would be after some of the stuff flying around here." }-

Yes, I'm sure. I know the McAleaveys to be pure of heart and strong of will. :)

As for Mele20, I also find it strange that she appears to be unfairly biased against Comodo. I think she bases the future of BOClean on the current performance of Comodo AntiVirus, which hasn't been all that good for the time being (though I'm sure it will improve from here on out). So she is of the belief that:

1) Comodo agreed to purchase BOClean because they badly needed the technology and not because they wanted to save the product (thus the "Comodo destroying BOclean theory")

2) Comodo does not care about BOClean and will ditch it within a few years (Thus this whole controversy about the "private club")

3) The McAleaveys are sellouts who sold their future and their heart to the "devil" called Comodo (This questioning the lack of statements from Kevin and the inactivity of Nancy, i.e. she probably thinks they are enjoying a beer happily after they've got what they wanted).

4) Comodo has neither the focus nor the skill to make any useful forward development for CAV, CPF or BOClean (Thus speaking about her experiences with Comodo Firewall and general dissent of the company as a whole).

This sort of thinking is pessimism of the highest order and will get her next to nowhere in the long run. I suggest that Mele be more openminded, because when officials from companies make statements, they DO NOT LIE. It is only when they don't make statements that you should start doubting something. Melih himself committed to the safety of BOClean, something wrong with that? Or perhaps you don't like something about Comodo and its CEO?

[JimmyD]

-{ Quote: "
As for Mele20, I also find it strange that she appears to be unfairly biased against Comodo. " }-

~Snip~ Off topic comment removed - Ron

Seriously, though, she refuses to explain the reason for her hostility towards Comodo which makes her guilty of the same "lack of response" that she accuses Melih/Kevin/Nancy of. She is definitely on some type of Anti-Comodo crusade, I just wish I knew the reason for it.

[trjam]

My question is, and I say it with all due respect but, "Who cares." Obviously Mele20 knows something, is bothered by something, but to the rest of us, we really dont know about it, or in my case really care. Comodo owns BoClean now, it is free, and people can download it, or just leave it alone. Again, not being sarcastic but it just really doesnt matter.

[BlueZannetti]

To all:

Let's keep the discussion centered on Comodo BOClean, not on any of the members participating in this thread.

Thanks in advance.

Blue

[Mele20]

-{ Quote: "I think that this is a simple matter of you believing that the 'private club' claim was all that was protecting BOClean/PSC. I think that it has been made quite clear here and in other forums that the private club claim was only a small part (maybe not even a significant part) of whatever protection from lawsuits that PSC had. It's simply not as important as you seem to believe.



Are you really saying that Kevin's take on this isn't authoritative enough for you?!" }-

I sure am. :) Didn't you read Kevin's remarks that he only vaguely remembers all this and never had much of a grasp of the legal facts? He posted that this was Nancy's area...all in HER hands. He did the coding...she ran the business. And I think it very telling if she has left the software business entirely now. This all just stinks...look what Melih has already pulled...releasing boclean without even telling Kevin much less ASKING Kevin's pemission. See....this is the very sort of behavior that Melih is known for and why he can't get or keep any really good employees (other than Kevin and for how long will that be)? I think Nancy has a lot better grasp of what is happening here than Kevin.

As for the private club thing...I continue to be astounded at the lack of understanding of what that legal protection meant and I don't believe for one minute that Melih will stand up for long if the malware makers come after BoClean now. I will change my opinion only if Nancy posts and convinces me. I will believe her but not anyone else. But if I was in her shoes, I'd have left software too and it all so very sad.

[ErikAlbert]

Since BOClean is freeware, I see alot more posts about BOClean at Wilders, than ever before or is it just me ? ;D
What freeware can do to people.

[Pedro]

-{ Quote: "I sure am. :) Didn't you read Kevin's remarks that he only vaguely remembers all this and never had much of a grasp of the legal facts? He posted that this was Nancy's area...all in HER hands. He did the coding...she ran the business. And I think it very telling if she has left the software business entirely now. This all just stinks...look what Melih has already pulled...releasing boclean without even telling Kevin much less ASKING Kevin's pemission. See....this is the very sort of behavior that Melih is known for and why he can't get or keep any really good employees (other than Kevin and for how long will that be)? I think Nancy has a lot better grasp of what is happening here than Kevin.
" }-
I still don't understand you. What employees has problems with Melih? How many do you know personally? Or you heard it on the streets?
-{ Quote: "
As for the private club thing...I continue to be astounded at the lack of understanding of what that legal protection meant and I don't believe for one minute that Melih will stand up for long if the malware makers come after BoClean now. I will change my opinion only if Nancy posts and convinces me. I will believe her but not anyone else. But if I was in her shoes, I'd have left software too and it all so very sad." }-
Then please answer him. Does it really matter?
Didn't the court rule that all they had to do was make an opt out possible? Nothing to do with private club? Yes or no, and why. Quotes from the court ruling would be nice, nothing else.

[BlueZannetti]

-{ Quote: "As for the private club thing...I continue to be astounded at the lack of understanding of what that legal protection meant " }-Mele20,

I'm not a lawyer, on the other hand I'm not a complete neophyte when it come to commercial law.

PSC provided adequate remedy in allowing users to disable a specific detection, that was the key item provided. Other vendors do the same with categories such as "potentially dangerous". Strip out all of extraneous linguistic gyrations, and there is no such beast as a "common carrier" antimalware program and this has nothing to do with there being no free evaluation copy.

Now, if someone is willing to post the text of any publicly available legal opinion germane to this specific case which explicitly and clearly makes the points that you're trying to push, I'd be more than happy to read it and change my tune if appropriate.

In the meantime, IMHO, this is a complete non-issue.

Blue

[ccsito]

-{ Quote: "http://www.ttgnet.com/daynotes/1999/0315RTDN.html[/url]
Thursday, March 18, 1999

" }-

I didn't know about this lawsuit. You can sue someone because your messages got delivered to a different folder? Does that mean that spammers can sue OE for sending their worthless drivel to the junk folder? LOL 8) ;D

[argus tuft]

-{ Quote: " Does that mean that spammers can sue OE for sending their worthless drivel to the junk folder? LOL 8) ;D" }-

It doesn't mean they can successfully, but you can bet that, someone, somewhere is gonna try.

I can't remember where, sorry (I think it was wilders?) but I read that a spammer was suing an anti-spam group (or members of it) for defamation!

[mercurie]

-{ Quote: "Since BOClean is freeware, I see alot more posts about BOClean at Wilders, than ever before or is it just me ? ;D
What freeware can do to people." }-Having no trial period too also made it a little less likely people would have reason to talk as well. I never had a problem with no trial period with $$ back offer, but believe my opinion on more postings now and for the reason mentioned, is closer to fact. ;)

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "Having no trial period too also made it a little less likely people would have reason to talk as well. I never had a problem with no trial period with $$ back offer, but believe my opinion on more postings now and for the reason mentioned, is closer to fact. ;)" }-
I agree with the no trial period, but the same happened to ShadowSurfer, when it was freeware for a short period. Suddenly everybody was talking about ShadowSurfer. ;D
A weird method to decide to use a software or not. I always look first what I can do with a software, never at the price and if I like it, I pay for it, if it isn't freeware.
I used BOClean one day and ditched it the next day, because it's a blacklist software.

[AJohn]

I don't ever use blacklisting software, but made an exeption for BOClean since it is so lite and effective :D

[ccsito]

-{ Quote: "It doesn't mean they can successfully, but you can bet that, someone, somewhere is gonna try.

I can't remember where, sorry (I think it was wilders?) but I read that a spammer was suing an anti-spam group (or members of it) for defamation!" }-


You may be referring to the anti-spam software that a poster was developing for use by email programs. When someone reaches into your pocketbook, the normal reaction is to fight back, even if it involves illegal or dubious things.

[EASTER.2010]

All the best for those devoted previous users of BC and all the new ones who are now quite besides themselves that they can finally have it for free, but, it is nothing at all like what i expected to find. I dunno, maybe my expectations are set at a level a little higher than most when it comes to any security programs but i think now i can see why they never offered a trial period. It HIPS & FD-ISR all the way for me.

[maddawgz]

Woohooooooooooooooooo Free! will it still have the good updates? detection what does it mean when it flashes red black etc? :o :o

[TonyKlein]

-{ Quote: "Woohooooooooooooooooo Free! will it still have the good updates?" }-

Updates are at least as frequent as they used to be, or even more so

-{ Quote: " detection what does it mean when it flashes red black etc? :o :o" }-

-{ Quote: "Green=examining startups (goes fairly quickly)
Blue = examining processes, threads and dependencies
Black = quiescent (nothing going on)
Red = detection has occurred OR you've opened the menu and BOClean is on hold until you close it." }-

[maddawgz]

Thanks for that how less frequent? is it still a good program ::)

[cybrguy]

At least as frequent. That means the same or more frequent.

[Triple Helix]

-{ Quote: "Thanks for that how less frequent? is it still a good program ::)" }-

It's still a great program and updates seam to be larger the past week! Look in the updates section for more info. :thumb::thumb:

Cheers,

TH ;)

[QBgreen]

This release is performing like the BOClean of old (old=paid for!) for me. Getting along very well with its neighbors, and generally being a good addition to my protection.

[Brother Esau]

-{ Quote: "Hi, folks: Business acquisition often does not looks as simple as money and ownership exchanges. Especially, BOClean has had a N.Y. Court ruling haning over their head. Until that legal obligations are met and then perhaps there is a good chance to see its rebirth. Let's hope that day will come much sooner than expected." }-

The mere fact that Commodo is a New Jersey firm and the whole New York legality issue is most deffinately cause for the flag to be raised!

Considering that I N.J born and raised and I can attest to the fact that the TRI STATE area N.Y , N.J. CT are probably the most crookedest in the Union and thats one of the reasons why I don't live in New Jersey anymore!

So yes I think its fishy and not to be trusted "Commodo" that is!!!

[JimmyD]

-{ Quote: "The mere fact that Commodo is a New Jersey firm and the whole New York legality issue is most deffinately cause for the flag to be raised!

Considering that I N.J born and raised and I can attest to the fact that the TRI STATE area N.Y , N.J. CT are probably the most crookedest in the Union and thats one of the reasons why I don't live in New Jersey anymore!
" }-

Looks like their schools aren't worth a damn either! :D