Mozilla Firebird

[snowbound]

Hi everyone :)

I would like to try Mozilla Firebird Browser. Being fairly new to computers my box came with windows xp so IE6 is the only browser i have ever used.

I would like to hear from firebird users about the pros and cons and easability of using it.

One thing i have heard is it is much more secure than IE6. This is an important factor as IE6 seems to have so many holes with updates almost coming weekly to patch it up.

It is important to me that it is easy to use as i have no experience working with a new browser. :-\


Ok people, tell me why i should switch to Mozilla Firebird browser.

Thanks

[the Tester]

Hi Snowbound.

I use Mozilla Firebird and Opera.
I never have missed IE6. :)

Some of the "pros" for me regarding Firebird;
It's customisable.You can add extensions and skins.
It has a popup blocker.
Pages display well in the sites that I visit.
Tabbed browsing is excellent.
Built in Google bar for searchs.

I would install the latest milestone as the nightlies can be a bit buggy.Milestones have been stable for me.

The only "con" I can think of is that there wasn't an official installer when I installed it Oct.5.
There may be one now,I don't know.
I made a desktop shortcut of the Firebird exe. file.
Nothing major IMO.

[snowbound]

Hi Tester

Thanks for your input.

There is an unofficial installer on the firebird website. i'm not sure if i should use it or just use the official zip file.

From what i read on the website this browser looks very interesting and fun to use.

I'm hearing too many horror stories now about IE6.

I had my own personal experience last week.I picked up a trojan just surfing the web for avatars.This is when i really started to think about using a safer browser.

According to the mozilla website this will not happen with their browser.

Thanks again Tester


Snowbound

[snowbound]

This is probably a dumb question but what happens to IE6 when u install another browser? :-\

Do u just leave IE6 closed?
Iam on cable so internet is always on. I would like to disable IE6 if that is possible.



Snowbound

[the Tester]

Hey Snowbound.

No problem.

Have you found the forum for Mozilla Firebird?
There's a lot of information there.

http://forums.mozillazine.org.


As far as alternative browsers on the same system as IE.
You don't have to do anything with IE.
I always have at least two other browsers on my computer.I haven't had any conflicts between browsers. :)
I use IE6(Windows XP SP1) for Windows update only.

[snowbound]

Hey tester ;D

Thanks for the forum website( i'm sure i'll need that with my limited experience!) :P

and also for the additional information on what to do with multiple browsers.

Mozilla Firebird is looking good! ;D

Karma cookie for u buddy :)


Snowbound

[snowbound]

Thanks Detox ;D

I wasn't sure where i should post this! :P





Snowbound

[Uguel707]

I agree fully with the Tester...


No, you don't need to disable IE6 and it would be advisable not to. It remains useful for when going to the MS Windows Update site but, of course, for anything else Firebird or Opera would be a better alternative.

One thing I like a lot about it is that when I visit sites that have midi music that sounds automatically, the music is suppressed in Firebird by default.

Actually, I have IE, Mozilla, Opera and Crazy Browser installed and never had any conflicts.


Uguel :)

[snowbound]

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Actually, I have IE, Mozilla, Opera and Crazy Browser installed
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Thanks Uguel707

Wow! u have so many browsers! ;)

What is the advantage of having so many?

Also which one do u make your default browser?

Thanks again

Snowbound

[bigc73542]

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=16085 link to post on blackdiamond firebird.
You might like the blackdiamond version of firebird it comes with a few more items included. I think it runs better than the standard version of firebird. Personally I like opera but that is just a personal choice, they are both excellent browsers.






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[Uguel707]

Why do I have so many browsers?

Maybe because I'm quirky girl! :D


Well, there a some components included in Crazy Browser that I don't have in Firebird by default. Like a multiple translation bar, and you can get to the Windows updates because it works along with IE. For speed I like to use Mozilla Firebird...the browser by default is barebones but you can add more extensions from MF website. I, for myself, leave it this way for I like to keep at least one fast browser. I like opera, it's secure, easy to customize and you can get a free email account with it.

CU!

Uguel

[Uguel707]

Oh!, I meant to mention that I prefer to rely on the security of Firebird when visiting sites that I don't know I can trust.

Hey bigc73542, that's a nice animation that you have here!


Uguel :)

[snowbound]

Thanks everyone ;D

Lots of positives on Mozilla Firebird and Opera too!

The Black Diamond edition3 looks very good with the plugins already installed.

Hey bigc73542 is this the latest build?

U all have been a great help
Tomorrow i will have a new browser, bye bye IE6! ;)


Snowbound

[libbo1]

The BlackDiamond is a great way to start. Visit the forums to learn more. And at least look at the latest nightly builds . . just for fun. If u download, pic the winzip and just extract it to ur desktop.

http://forums.mozillazine.org/

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firebird/nightly/latest-trunk/

[bigc73542]

Yep the diamond edition 3 is the latest. But I will sure be looking for the next version, it should just keep getting better. I have three browsers on my comp. also with no problems.

[libbo1]

Werd has it that the non-beta FB ver 1.0 is to be released around Christmas! :P

[bigc73542]

For a beta program firebird runs great I can't wait ot try the non beta.









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[libbo1]

YooooooHoooooo!

Check this out! I changed the colors of the tabs . . . so now this dummy can at a glance see which tab is active!!!

No, I'm not too bored!

And ps: Firebird has a spellchecker now!!!!

[snowbound]

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YooooooHoooooo!
No, I'm not too bored!
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LOL

Looking good libbo1! ;D

Installed firebird today.
Wow! Looks great, and easy to use.

This is a keeper for sure!

Thanks everyone for your help ;D


Snowbound

[JayK]

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YooooooHoooooo!

Check this out! I changed the colors of the tabs . . . so now this dummy can at a glance see which tab is active!!!

No, I'm not too bored!

And ps: Firebird has a spellchecker now!!!!

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You went extension crazy right?

[libbo1]

;D

Well just a couple of em!! :P

[solarpowered candle]

I use Firebird . Its really nice . I use the milestone rather than than the nightlies . I really like it and it has given me no problems or crashes . Hums along nicely .
I like the Thunderbird mail client , but Its kind of slow at loading for me . However as the new builds evolve Im sure it will be a great mail client with Firebird

[spy1]

Could someone please direct me to the exact plug-in that accomplished the browser-tab color change? (I just went blind looking for it!). TIA. Pete

[libbo1]

Yup!

U will need to d/l one extension, and c&p once into a file. I will help u if u r willing to do so. This will give us shades of grey. To pic other colors u will need access to any rgb palette tool. See pic. This is from photoshop. Paint may have it. I'm sure there are online freebies too.

[spy1]

lol! Yes, the name of that extension was what I was needing! Pete

[libbo1]

OooKeeDooKee!

d/l

http://texturizer.net/firebird/extensions/#chromedit

then close and reopen browser>tools>edit user files>userchrome.css and paste the following( go to last entry in file as it is all commented out anyway . . . be sure to have a blank line per entry . . in this case 1 blank line between what is there and what u r about to paste):

tab{
-moz-appearance: none !important;
}
tab[selected="true"] {
background-color: rgb(102,153,255) !important;
color: black !important;
}

tab:not([selected="true"]) {
background-color: rgb(255,153,255) !important;
color: gray !important;
}


This will give u my selected colors (envy blue and puke pink!!!LOL)U can go from there.

While I'm at it the following entries are nice too:

.toolbarbutton-menubutton-dropmarker {display: none}

This one deletes those never used down arrows up by the bak and forward buttons.

And:

toolbar {border-style: none !important}

This one gives a flat toolbar appearance ( u can see both in my earlier scrnshot of the browser)

Remember to hit the save button in the file once ur done pasting

Happy Thanksgiving!!!!

[spy1]

OMG - that'll have to wait until tomorrow - but thanks! Pete

[libbo1]

Yup . . . OMG!

thats why FB is so fast . . . a stripped down h'rod! But the nice thing is u can customize it! After u finish chrome-edit 101 i got sum user.jss edits fer u . . . speed tweaks and fullscreen tweaks, not to mention turning off some error messages.

And u gotta have spellychecker . . see how gud it duz fer me!!!! :P

[FluxGFX]

Anything new or of interest in the FireBird inviroment?

[libbo1]

???

Let's see . . .



Well most of the new stuff has been covered here! Apparently the browser is approaching its 1.0 release as there has been sum furor amongst the aficionado community!!! :o

For info, the themes (skins) and extensions (basically plug-ins to add functionality) are 'made' by individuals (or groups thereof). On or about 11-21-03 with the release of the nightly builds ( after a 4 or so day hiatus ) the developers incorporated changes that in effect 'broke' most of the themes and many of the extensions (one popular extension in particular TBE or 'tabbedbrowserextensions'. This was after basically just one warning post on their forums . . . very rare for them the devs) to enter into the banter!!!

So OK, wots da big deal??!!

To many it signifies final tweaking of the browser as it heads to ver 1.0 fruition! To sum it signifies a deliberate slap in the face . . . ie an effort to break' those extensions they don't like ( one developer called one extension's workings as 'doing terrible things"!!!). And thus the rub!!! This forces some writers to change their themes/extension. Some can and apparently some can't ,or cant without mucho difficulty!!

Many of us dont like being told wot to do! (by applications . . not by humans . . . thats for Dr. Phil!!! lol) and accusations of 'big brother' and 'son's of Bill' are circulating!!

The latest nightlies though are very stable now . . and crisp!!! Not bad for a diverse worldwide basically volunteer effort. I for 1 am impressed. If u wanna see democracy in action (sumtimes harsh but always civil as befitting true nerds and geeks), visit the forums!

http://forums.mozillazine.org/index.php




:)

[FluxGFX]

Yeah basicly sameold stuff until 1.0 ;)

[JayK]

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Anything new or of interest in the FireBird inviroment?
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Not really, I wonder a nice search extension conquery, basically mycroft on steriods.

[Bethrezen]

hi

there is a spell checker for fire bird ?? scince when i been looking for one for ages but have been unsecsessfull

what the spellchecker extention called and where is it located ?

because so far iv only found the spellchecker for mozilla and thunderbird

[snowbound]

Hi Bethrezen :)

Here is a link for firebird spellchecker

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=34799&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

hope it works for u :)





Snowbound

[tepi]

Hello All:

Has anyone here used Mozilla Firebird Black Diamond, the version that comes with many of the main plugins? I've been having troubles with Netscape and am thinking of trying it out, but before installing it I'd like to find out if it has any known problems or if it's one of those programs that are difficult to uninstall.

Cheers

[snowbound]

Hi tepi :)

I myself have firebird 0.7 but i have seen posts in these forums saying black diamond version is very stable.

U don't install mozilla, it just comes in a zip file.

Just download, unzip and that is it.

U have to create desktop shortcut yourself.

If u decide u don't want it just delete zip file.

If u don't have it, here is download page

http://blackdiamond.mozdev.org/installation.html


Good luck

[snowbound]

Oh tepi i forgot


There is an unofficial installer for mozilla firebird but i prefer the zip file.

If u want to use it, it is on main download page for mozilla firebird 0.7


Snowbound

[tepi]

Hi Snowbound:

I see. Thanks. Yes, that's the version I've downloaded and I've heard it's supposed to be stable. But what I'm wondering is if anyone at Wilders has actually used Black Diamond.

Regards

[JayK]

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Hi Snowbound:

I see. Thanks. Yes, that's the version I've downloaded and I've heard it's supposed to be stable. But what I'm wondering is if anyone at Wilders has actually used Black Diamond.

Regards
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Yes, it's no more or less stable than normal FB milestone stuff. It just saves you the borther from hunting for extensions, themes etc.

I've tried it.

[tepi]

Hi JayK:

Did you like it? It sounds as if you got rid of it.

Cheers

[JayK]

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Hi JayK:

Did you like it? It sounds as if you got rid of it.

Cheers
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No it's still there . I just prefer the mozilla suite normally. But that's just me.

And no , don't ask me why, it's a personal preferance. They are almost exactly the same.

I interpreted your question as asking whether if Firebird blackdiamondd distrubtion is a lot diff from the normal FB versions, the answer is no.

[libbo1]

http://volcano.photobucket.com/albums/v11/Quack/f47fa2ad.png (http://blackdiamond.mozdev.org/)

Yup . . it is just a little confusing . . . but when u consider the # of ppl werkin on it . . .

anyway . .

Black diamond is like buying a house with the furniture in it . . ready to go.

The same browser stripped down is FB. Stay away from the installer for now. I'll make an announcement when it has its bugs werked out. As the previous firebird users have posted, just unzip (i use my desktop)! And go>>>!

See this and other threads for tweaks, tips etc...

And yes u can have as many browsers as u want and u can have em all open at the same time. U will find with tabbed browsing, u wont need ie6 much.

Check out the microfirebird theme. Its small and has a light blue background (every1 luvs blue right??!!)

As for extensions, there are about 130 or so to choose from. IMHO , take a look at:

the new Spellchecker
Trivial
Autohide
Chrome Edit
Mousegestures . . . very cool tool here dudes!!!

All of these links are found in the FB icon below, urls posted in this thread and in da FB forums . . .

http://forums.mozillazine.org/index.php

and . . .



http://members.cox.net/libbo1/bird.gif (http://website-beta.mozilla.org/products/firebird/)


post bak if u need to . . . any of the Firebird convertees' will be glad to help u and others 8)

[tepi]

I've just unzipped Black Diamond to my Program Files and am composing this message in it right now. My first impressions are that it seems pretty good. Looks like a handy alternative to Netscape :) Thanks to all for your advice.

Cheers

[snowbound]

Hi tepi :)

I think you'll really like firebird. Since i got it i rarely use IE anymore.

I'm looking forward to the first non beta build.

I'm also thinking about trying OPERA browser.
Heard lots of good things about it too.




Snowbound

[tepi]

Hi Snowbound - Yes, I begin to think so too. Netscape 7.1 has been giving me lots of problems. IE I use mainly for MS updates. So Firebird becomes a nice find. Opera I did use for a while years ago and found it very fast, but in those days Netscape had more useful features so I stuck to it. I hear though that Netscape is pretty well on the way out today.

Cheers

[Peaches4U]

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Hi Snowbound - Yes, I begin to think so too. Netscape 7.1 has been giving me lots of problems. IE I use mainly for MS updates. So Firebird becomes a nice find. Opera I did use for a while years ago and found it very fast, but in those days Netscape had more useful features so I stuck to it. I hear though that Netscape is pretty well on the way out today.

Cheers
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The following might explain why Netscape gave you some problems:

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Software Name: Netscape
Version: 6 through 7
Software Website: http://www.netscape.com
Offending Party: Internal
Remarks: Anytime a Navigator user performs a search by typing terms into the browser's URL bar and pressing the adjacent Search button, or by using the Search tab on the browser's My Sidebar feature, Netscape is capturing Navigator 6 users' search terms along with their IP address, the date Navigator was installed, and a unique identification number. The user data is sent to a server at info.netscape.com using a uniform resource locator (URL) forwarding system. The privacy policy at Netscape's Web site does not mention that Navigator Search-button users' inquiries at third-party search sites are logged by Netscape.

By default, Navigator's Search function uses Netscape's own search service, but browser users can configure Navigator instead to use search services from Google, Lycos, or Overture. Another method for users to avoid having Netscape log their searches is by directly accessing a third-party search engine by typing its address into the browser rather than using the Search button or Sidebar.
Status: Confirmed Spyware
Entry Date: 23-May-2002
EULA:

[tepi]

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Software Name: Netscape
Version: 6 through 7
Status: Confirmed Spyware
Entry Date: 23-May-2002
EULA:
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Hi Peaches4U - Well now, that's VERY interesting.... Netscape? Spyware! ???
Even though I never use the search feature you mention but instead click on a bookmark that takes me to Google.... Many thanks for tipping me off. That's one of the most stunning pieces of information I've come across in a long time. Phew! Netscape... Seems like you can't trust anyone these days. May I ask where you discovered that information?

Regards

[tepi]

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-{ Quote: " quoting: tepi link=board=9;threadid=16732;start=30#msg107749 date=1070815422]
Hi JayK:

Did you like it? It sounds as if you got rid of it.

Cheers
" }-

No it's still there . I just prefer the mozilla suite normally. But that's just me.

And no , don't ask me why, it's a personal preferance. They are almost exactly the same.

I interpreted your question as asking whether if Firebird blackdiamondd distrubtion is a lot diff from the normal FB versions, the answer is no.
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I see. Thank you. Well, I've just opened it and am trying it out and it seems pretty good, especially after having just heard from Peaches4U that Netscape is "confirmed spywear." You live and learn.

Regards