FD-ISR Beta plus RollbackRx on Vista and XP

[silver0066]

I have been experimenting with some setups and have discovered the best combination in my experience in playing around with this stuff.

FD-ISR (new beta version) was installed with both XP Pro and Vista snapshots. I am using RSS mode with First Defense.

Leapfrog has moved the pre-boot code from the Master Boot Record to the Partition Boot Record in the new beta version. Since this version does not use the MBR, I was able to install RollbackRx, (FD-ISR on steroids) but Rollback does not have Archiving.

Rollback was installed into both the First Defense XP and Vista snapshots using the Rollback multiboot option.

It's preboot screen precedes the FD-ISR pre boot screen. Now I have the advantage of very quick multiple snapshots, less than 5 seconds, using relatively little disk space, coupled with the abiltity to keep external updated FD-ISR archives.

Because Rollback is in the MBR before FD-ISR, all the same snapshots show up whether I am in the Vista or XP FD-ISR snapshots. I haven't tried going back to a snapshot with Rollback into another First Defense snapshot yet, but it should work. I will try it after making a good image with Acronis.

Some of you gurus might give this a try. I think you might be amazed at it's flexibility, speed and features.

Silver

[dja2k]

Will reverting back using RollbackRx affect snapshots of FD-ISR? Would reverting back with FD-ISR keep all the snapshots of RollbackRx?

dja2k

[Peter2150]

-{ Quote: "Will reverting back using RollbackRx affect snapshots of FD-ISR? Would reverting back with FD-ISR keep all the snapshots of RollbackRx?

dja2k" }-

I am curious about this also. Athletes on steriods also have enhance performance until they get busted.

Beat up hard on it silver and keep us posted.

Pete

[silver0066]

-{ Quote: "Will reverting back using RollbackRx affect snapshots of FD-ISR? Would reverting back with FD-ISR keep all the snapshots of RollbackRx?

dja2k" }-

Since FDISR runs in a partition after the MBR, it will not restore any RollbackRx snapshots.

RollbackRx will restore FDISR snapshots that are located on the C drive. I keep my FDISR snapshots on an external drive which can be restored easily but I then have to reinstall Rollback.

RollbackRx version 8 is supposed to be out today and from what I have heard you will be able to archive RollbackRx snapshots with this new version.

[ErikAlbert]

Yes, RollbackRx v8 with backup/restore is a fact
http://www.horizondatasys.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=76&PN=1
The competition gets stronger and stronger.

[Peter2150]

-{ Quote: "Yes, RollbackRx v8 with backup/restore is a fact
http://www.horizondatasys.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=76&PN=1
The competition gets stronger and stronger." }-

Given my early results with Rollback, it's would be a looooong time, before I'd trust Rollback with Bare Metal Restores. I'll pass I think

[sukarof]

-{ Quote: "Given my early results with Rollback, it's would be a looooong time, before I'd trust Rollback with Bare Metal Restores. I'll pass I think" }-

Same here, Rollback was a bit treacherous coz I was really happy with RB for two or three months after I paid for it and it suddenly corrupted all snapshots (except baseline) it is hard to gain confidence again for such software. They probably fixed those problems with version 8 but it feels a bit silly to pay full price for it again after being a paying "beta tester" before :) Well, tbh I did buy it for a 50% discount, but hey thats their customer policy so I´ll stick to the software I know works. But I still envy those who have no problems with it :)

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "Given my early results with Rollback, it's would be a looooong time, before I'd trust Rollback with Bare Metal Restores. I'll pass I think" }-
Sometimes I have the need to say something good about RollbackRx. I said so many bad things about it.
If they ask me to try it, my answer is NO.

I'm not interested anymore in RollbackRx after reading hundreds of posts about it. This never happened to FDISR.
Good softwares have a quiet forum.

[silver0066]

-{ Quote: "Yes, RollbackRx v8 with backup/restore is a fact
http://www.horizondatasys.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=76&PN=1
The competition gets stronger and stronger." }-

I just installed RollbackRx v8 DEMO. The Application Module pops up a message stating Rollback is not installed. The Tray Icon does not come up.

Back to First Defense and Rollback7.

PS New Edit
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My apologies to Horizon Data Systems. I was installing on multiboot system and only installed on first boot when I made the above comments. After installing on second boot system, Vista, everything is working as advertized. I have not tried the backup snapshot yet, but wanted to clarify my unwarranted criticism of the product. This could really be a winner!!

[Peter2150]

-{ Quote: "Don't bother with this pile of junk. I just installed RollbackRx v8 DEMO. The Application Module pops up a message stating Rollback is not installed. The Tray Icon does not come up.

Back to First Defense and Rollback7." }-

ROFL. Let me see if I understand you. Not quite ready to rely on for Bare Metal Restore.;D

[silver0066]

-{ Quote: "ROFL. Let me see if I understand you. Not quite ready to rely on for Bare Metal Restore.;D" }-

No way!! Acronis for that.

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "No way!! Acronis for that." }-
Does that mean that Acronis backups and restores ALL snapshots of RollbackRx and not the baseline snapshot only ?

[silver0066]

-{ Quote: "Does that mean that Acronis backups and restores ALL snapshots of RollbackRx and not the baseline snapshot only ?" }-

Acronis does not restore any of the Rollback snapshots. Rollback has to be reinstalled after a Recovery from the Boot Disk.

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "Acronis does not restore any of the Rollback snapshots. Rollback has to be reinstalled after a Recovery from the Boot Disk." }-
EazFix is a clone of RollbackRx.
According this guy, Acronis True Image works for EazFix, so I assume also for RollbackRx.

Source : http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=143872&page=5&highlight=eazFix%2FRollback post 120
-{ Quote: "
I checked EAZ-FIX and noted that I had the baseline, and three (3) snapshots.
I restarted the computer and booted into the TrueImage rescue CD and made a new backup image.
I allowed Windows to fully boot and opened a few programmes before restarting the computer and booting into the TrueImage rescue CD.
I started the restore procedure making sure to tick all boxes at the “select partition or whole hard drive to restore”.
The restore finished without a problem and Windows started up normally.
I checked EAZ-FIX and noted that all snapshots were shown (baseline plus three snapshots.
I then restored the three snapshots, one after the other, and all worked correctly.
I then deleted two of the snapshots, and again rebooted the machine just to make sure that everything worked correctly.

I hope this answers any queries that users might have in regards using TrueImage and EAZ-FIX together.
" }-
Everybody seems to have different results with RollbackRx/EazFix. :)

[dja2k]

-{ Quote: "Don't bother with this pile of junk. I just installed RollbackRx v8 DEMO. The Application Module pops up a message stating Rollback is not installed. The Tray Icon does not come up.

Back to First Defense and Rollback7." }-

Where did you get v8 DEMO to clarify your findings cause right now, I would say don't even bother with the pile of junk of v7 which I can't even install.

dja2k

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "Where did you get v8 DEMO to clarify your findings cause right now, I would say don't even bother with the pile of junk of v7 which I can't even install.

dja2k" }-
http://www.horizondatasys.com/169614.ihtml

[dja2k]

That DEMO there is for version 7.2.1 not version 8.

dja2k

[osip]

-{ Quote: "I started the restore procedure making sure to tick all boxes at the “select partition or whole hard drive to restore”." }-

In this case it seems as ATI was used making an image of MBR and track 0 (the whole physical disk)and obviously this works with rollback rx/Eazfix snapshots...ATI image of a partition won´t capture the snapshots...But,indeed,when and if RBrx v8 will be stable and reliable it could turn out to be the ultimate in this field...

Rollback Rx pro v8:
http://www.horizondatasys.com/files/RollBack%20Rx/Downloads/Rollback_Rx_Rro_Version8.zip

[Atomas31]

-{ Quote: "That DEMO there is for version 7.2.1 not version 8.

dja2k" }-

You've got to click on the download trial button wich should bring you on the page that you see on my screenshot (http://www.horizondatasys.com/page.aspx?id=172151)

[dja2k]

Dammit I must be blind! Thanks guys and sorry I am so stupid.

dja2k

[Peter2150]

-{ Quote: "You've got to click on the download trial button wich should bring you on the page that you see on my screenshot (http://www.horizondatasys.com/page.aspx?id=172151)" }-


Hmm

Off to a good start. Pro is spelled wrong.

[silver0066]

My apologies to Horizon Data Systems for my earlier criticism on this thread.

I was installing on multiboot system and only installed on first boot when I made the above comments.

After installing on second boot system, Vista, everything is working as advertised.

I have not tried the backup snapshot yet, but wanted to clarify my unwarranted criticism of the product. This program could really be a winner!!

[ErikAlbert]

The unbackupable RBRx has now a backup feature.

[Peter2150]

-{ Quote: "My apologies to Horizon Data Systems for my earlier criticism on this thread.

I was installing on multiboot system and only installed on first boot when I made the above comments.

After installing on second boot system, Vista, everything is working as advertised.

I have not tried the backup snapshot yet, but wanted to clarify my unwarranted criticism of the product. This program could really be a winner!!" }-

Do you know if it now supports raid. Also I will get real interested when you done about 100 backup and restores, wiping out the disk in between.

[dja2k]

Hey Peter, have you installed V8 yet on your RAID setup? I couldn't get V7 to install, so haven't tried V8 yet.

dja2k

[Peter2150]

-{ Quote: "Hey Peter, have you installed V8 yet on your RAID setup? I couldn't get V7 to install, so haven't tried V8 yet.

dja2k" }-

No, and honestly I don't intend to. I paid for two Rollback licenses and I'd have to pay again for the new stuff. First Defense and ShadowProtect are working so reliably for me I have zero incentive. Also using the archives the way I am, the time difference just isn't that great for me.

[dja2k]

I thought Shadow Protect doesn't work on RAID setups? How are you managing that or it does work with RAID setups like Acronis T.I.? And I thought you were an Acronis True Image fan...

dja2k

[dja2k]

RollbackRX v8 did install on my RAID setup. Haven't tested restore yet. I forgot the rules for Rollback and Imaging it, something about all Rollback images be lost and only baseline be restored. Oh well let me play around unless someone can shed some light.

dja2k

[Peter2150]

-{ Quote: "I thought Shadow Protect doesn't work on RAID setups? How are you managing that or it does work with RAID setups like Acronis T.I.? And I thought you were an Acronis True Image fan...

dja2k" }-

ShadowProtect works like a champ on Raid 0. As to ATI, it works for me, but not really a fan. There are somethings that are plain flaky, and I just don't have the same feeling of reliability. I have beaten ShadowProtect to death. Probably over 200 restores on my various machines, no issues.

[silver0066]

-{ Quote: "RollbackRX v8 did install on my RAID setup. Haven't tested restore yet. I forgot the rules for Rollback and Imaging it, something about all Rollback images be lost and only baseline be restored. Oh well let me play around unless someone can shed some light.

dja2k" }-

I got Rollback8 to install on my Raid 0 system, but it will not restore. Very strange behavior.

It uses BartPe with a Rollback plug in for Recovery. I just added the Rollback plug in to my BartPe with Acronis and my Raid drivers.

BartPe booted and I could access the Rollback program. However, when I tried to Restore, the RollbackRx BartPE program recognized all of my drives and partitions, including the RAID 0 System drive, when asking from WHERE to get the image, however, when it asked me which drive to restore to, my RAID 0 drive did not show up on the menu. Therefore, it DOES NOT work on RAID systems at the present time. I still have a use for it as I like the super fast snapshot creation, and with FDISR and Acronis, I feel well protected.

I have sent in a ticket to Horizon. I just don't understand why the program would recognize the drive in one instance and not the other.

The Snapshot backup from the RAID 0 drive went just fine and took about the same time as Acronis, about 10 minutes for 22 gigs.

[dja2k]

So why would you still use RollbackRX for its super fast snapshots but can't even restore them?

dja2k

[silver0066]

-{ Quote: "So why would you still use RollbackRX for its super fast snapshots but can't even restore them?

dja2k" }-

You CAN restore any of them with just a reboot. That is why I use it. You just cannot restore a RollbackRx Backup Snapshot from the BartPE boot disk if you are using a RAID 0 System drive. It is a defect in the RollbackRx plug-in, not BartPE.

I do alot of experimenting and can quickly make snapshots, do my experimenting and either go back or if everything goes okay, not goback. I use FD-ISR for booting back and forth between Vista and XP, for quick archives and for quick restores if just Windows crashes. I use Acronis for hard disk failure and for further archiving. Since RollbackRx has had problems in the past, I have these second levels of defense which work just fine for my needs.

[dja2k]

Sorry I am not that experienced with RollbackRX, when you mean rollback from the boot disk, you mean when you get a total failure that you can't log into windows or what? Are you referring to a RollbackRX Boot Disk like the Acronis Rescue Disk? I don't really need RollbackRX, but the way you are using it, it seems as an extra measure that interests me. I installed the trial to play around but then uninstalled it when you mentioned it didn't work with RAID 0. However, with RollbackRX v8, you can restore the backups while in windows right?

dja2lk

[silver0066]

-{ Quote: "Sorry I am not that experienced with RollbackRX, when you mean rollback from the boot disk, you mean when you get a total failure that you can't log into windows or what? Are you referring to a RollbackRX Boot Disk like the Acronis Rescue Disk? I don't really need RollbackRX, but the way you are using it, it seems as an extra measure that interests me. I installed the trial to play around but then uninstalled it when you mentioned it didn't work with RAID 0. However, with RollbackRX v8, you can restore the backups while in windows right?

dja2lk" }-

I think you are getting Snapshots, and Snapshot Backups mixed up. You can go back to Snapshots in Rollback in Raid 0 just by rebooting.

The reason for backing up snapshots, a feature just instituted in Version 8, is that if Windows will not start, or you need a new system drive, you have to Boot from a Recovery CD which you have to make yourself from the free BartPe program using Rollback's BartPE plug in. Rollback's BartPe plug-in is defective in that it will recognize the Raid 0 drive when it asks from where to get the image, but does not recognize it when it asks on which drive to put the image. Therefore, it is useless as a Snapshot Backup program when using Raid 0.

If you have not tried it, get a trial of the new First Defense Beta from Leapfrog Software. It works in XP and Vista. It is a great program, very reliable, and I have used it for over a year. The only reason I experimented with Rollback is that Version 7 made snapshots in about 3 to 5 seconds as compared to a minute or two with First Defense. The new Rollback version 8 is much slower and takes more time to make snapshots although it is still faster than First Defense. Because of this, Rollback has lost alot of appeal to me.

[dja2k]

Thanks and if you had looked at my sig, you would see I already have the FD-ISR beta installed, which I followed your example in using it with RollbackRX. I am not mixed up, I know the program does its own snapshots and that you can export them to some other place besides your windows drive.. I was asking about the RollbackRX snapshot because I was curious what would happen if you restore with something like Acronis True Image first, reinstall RollbackRX if necessary and then import back the snapshot to RollbackRX, if that was possible. I never tried that as I removed RollbackRX 8 trial when you mentioned it didn't work with RAID0 but maybe I will give it a try again just for kicks.

dja2k

[silver0066]

-{ Quote: "Thanks and if you had looked at my sig, you would see I already have the FD-ISR beta installed, which I followed your example in using it with RollbackRX. I am not mixed up, I know the program does its own snapshots and that you can export them to some other place besides your windows drive.. I was asking about the RollbackRX snapshot because I was curious what would happen if you restore with something like Acronis True Image first, reinstall RollbackRX if necessary and then import back the snapshot to RollbackRX, if that was possible. I never tried that as I removed RollbackRX 8 trial when you mentioned it didn't work with RAID0 but maybe I will give it a try again just for kicks.

dja2k" }-

Sorry, I missed your sig.

RollbackRx Pro has no facility for importing snapshots from another drive. It will only restore backup snapshots by booting the BartPE Disk. I don't even know if it works as I have not tried it on a Non-Raid System.

[dja2k]

Oh ok thanks for the info. Will keep an eye out for improvements on RollbackRX.

dja2k

[kneighbour]

-{ Quote: "Hmm
Off to a good start. Pro is spelled wrong." }-
I have purchased a Pro version of RollbackRx 8, and you would be amazed at the number of spelling and grammar mistakes throughout the whole program. Virtually EVERY page of the help manual is replete with errors.

I would have sworn the program was developed someplace in China, but the company seems to be based in the USA. Puzzling.

It does not give you a very good sense of confidence if they cannot even spell the name of their product!

I bought it for Vista (as V7 does not work in Vista). It seems that Version 8 does not either - I bought my version a couple of weeks back, and I still cannot get it working in Vista. To be somewhat fair to Horizon, they answered my support calls, and they say that they have found the problem. Mind you, they have not supplied a fix as yet, so I still do not have a working product.

[ErikAlbert]

-{ Quote: "
I would have sworn the program was developed someplace in China, but the company seems to be based in the USA. Puzzling. " }-
The posts about it are also very puzzling. At home I always think : "LollbackRx again, the one without image."
Let's hope PowelShadow does a bettel job, not according my principles. ::)
(What speed and less space can do to users)