my micropoint

[nbl0ck]

new virus? ;D bl0ck and killl

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~removed all jotti attachments per this (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showpost.php?p=818225&postcount=2) policy....Bubba~

[likuidkewl]

As most people don't speak chinese here could possibly explain what it does, the screen shots are not very clear, atleast to me. :)

[nbl0ck]

;D from this post:http://bbs.micropoint.com.cn/showthread.asp?tid=1061&fpage=1&highlight=&page=1

chinese version :http://www.micropoint.com.cn/download/

[solcroft]

劝楼主先看看论坛规矩，老外不喜欢人家在论坛里贴照片的。

Micropoint is China's version of Cyberhawk - a proactive defense program. It combines behavioral technology and traditional signature scanning to detect malware. A very effective program IMHO, it and Filseclab are two fine pieces of security software that's come from the East lately. The screenshots show it in action blocking a network connection, detecting an unknown trojan, detecting unknown spyware, detecting unknown spyware, detecting a suspicious process which it asks if the user wants to terminate, in that order.

[Firecat]

{QUOTE-> As most people don't speak chinese here could possibly explain what it does, the screen shots are not very clear, atleast to me. :) <-QUOTE}
Its a behaviour-based analysis scanner, much like KAV's Proactive Defense but works both On-Demand and real time. I heard that it uses some technology from Rising AV also, and there was some "betrayal" involved between Micropoint and Rising; but either case, it is primarily a PDM-type scanner, possibly having Rising AV's definitions.

[Zero3K]

There is an english version out now. You can get it from the same download location as the chinese version.

[norman6810]

{QUOTE-> There is an english version out now. You can get it from the same download location as the chinese version. <-QUOTE}
Zero3K,I have read your posts on the Micropoint Forums.You are so kind to introduce the Chinese antivirus software to the friends all over the world.
I am a member from the Micropoint Forums. I recommend the members from Wilder Security Forums to use the antivirus software,whose exact name is MicroPoint Proactive Defense Software.
Thank you again.


PS:Those who are not good at Chinese can download the software from the following link directly:
http://www.micropoint.com.cn/download/download.php?site=local

[norman6810]

{QUOTE-> Its a behaviour-based analysis scanner, much like KAV's Proactive Defense but works both On-Demand and real time. I heard that it uses some technology from Rising AV also, and there was some "betrayal" involved between Micropoint and Rising; but either case, it is primarily a PDM-type scanner, possibly having Rising AV's definitions. <-QUOTE}

Hey,Firecat!
You say some "betrayal" involved between Micropoint and Rising.It is not true.Micropoint has nothing with Rising.Mr. LiuXu produces it by his own group.Its technology is far more different from Rising.
If convenient,you can try it.The download directory is in the post above.

[shek]

To be honest, as a Chinese it's so sad that I don't want to use Chinese AVs any more, because all of them have lost their credibilities by keeping on attacking their competitors rather than focusing on product improvment.

Shek

[Firecat]

{QUOTE-> Hey,Firecat!
You say some "betrayal" involved between Micropoint and Rising.It is not true.Micropoint has nothing with Rising.Mr. LiuXu produces it by his own group.Its technology is far more different from Rising.
If convenient,you can try it.The download directory is in the post above. <-QUOTE}
If I remember correctly, past posts on this same forum about Micropoint said something about how Micropoint is related to Rising, how Liu Xu once worked for Rising, and how there was some fallout between Liu Xu and Rising, and the word "betrayal" was used. :-\

[norman6810]

{QUOTE-> To be honest, as a Chinese it's so sad that I don't want to use any Chinese AVs any more, because all of them have lost their credibilities by keeping on attacking their competitors rather than focusing on product improvment.

Shek <-QUOTE}
In some dgree, what you say is true.But you deny all the Chinese AVs only because of this?I think it's not reasonable.

[norman6810]

{QUOTE-> If I remember correctly, past posts on this same forum about Micropoint said something about how Micropoint is related to Rising, how Liu Xu once worked for Rising, and how there was some fallout between Liu Xu and Rising, and the word "betrayal" was used. :-\ <-QUOTE}

Oh, I see.:) Thank you for your reply.It's my fault.I misunderstood your meaning.:-[

[shek]

{QUOTE-> In some dgree, what you say is true.But you deny all the Chinese AVs only because of this?I think it's not reasonable. <-QUOTE}

Those Chinese AVs might be suitable for average joes. But the reason I mentioned above is good enough to make the decision, because I don't trust thoese companies who attack their competitors everyday (in public, online, newspaper, filing law sue).

[norman6810]

{QUOTE-> Those Chinese AVs might be suitable for average joes. But the reason I mentioned above is good enough to make the decision, because I don't trust thoese companies who attack their competitors everyday (in public, online, newspaper, filing law sue). <-QUOTE}

Maybe it's your personal idea.Otherwise,I cant think of the future of Chinese AVs.

[Firecat]

{QUOTE-> Those Chinese AVs might be suitable for average joes. But the reason I mentioned above is good enough to make the decision, because I don't trust thoese companies who attack their competitors everyday (in public, online, newspaper, filing law sue). <-QUOTE}
Not only that, but in general Asian and Chinese AVs are not well-suited yet for global market. For example, detection rates are still somewhat low for international market, Rising made some good progress but I wouldn't say they're quite there yet. I really do wish many of these Chinese/Korean/Japanese AV companies paid more attention to the global market, because at the moment there comes a communication and demand gap. I believe these Asian companies are capable of putting out great products, and their interface is simply lovable (:)), but because of somewhat lacking English help/communication and not good marketing outside Asia, the product remains not so well suited for non-Asian users. Also, as you have mentioned, sometimes they have slightly "unprofessional" attitudes, and this can be good or bad depending on the situation and point of view.

Look at Virus Chaser, for example. Good interface, strong Dr.Web engine, different branches in different Asian countries. Nice functionality also. But it seems the company is not interested in global market. :(

[shek]

{QUOTE-> Maybe it's your personal idea.Otherwise,I cant think of the future of Chinese AVs. <-QUOTE}

Why should I care about their future? Should I give them money to criticise others? It's not the way a business should work. Even in terms of detection rates for Chinese local samples, Chinese AVs are far behind their foreign competitors, such as kav/avira/nod32/bitdefender.

Shek

[norman6810]

firecat,I agree with your words.It's reasonable and fair.I will send your words to the Micropoint Info-Tech CO., LTD.(Because I am a lover of MPDS.):)

[shek]

{QUOTE-> Not only that, but in general Asian and Chinese AVs are not well-suited yet for global market. For example, detection rates are still somewhat low for international market, Rising made some good progress but I wouldn't say they're quite there yet. I really do wish many of these Chinese/Korean/Japanese AV companies paid more attention to the global market, because at the moment there comes a communication and demand gap. I believe these Asian companies are capable of putting out great products, and their interface is simply lovable (:)), but because of somewhat lacking English help/communication and not good marketing outside Asia, the product remains not so well suited for non-Asian users. Also, as you have mentioned, sometimes they have slightly "unprofessional" attitudes, and this can be good or bad depending on the situation and point of view.

Look at Virus Chaser, for example. Good interface, strong Dr.Web engine, different branches in different Asian countries. Nice functionality also. But it seems the company is not interested in global market. :( <-QUOTE}


I totally agree with you. Actually as far as I know, Jiangming/Rising/Kingsoft have started to enter the Japanese market. And I believe the faster those Chinese AVs join the international community, the more peopele would benefit from it. I hope they will win my respects in the near future.

[Perman]

Hi, folks: IMO, brain power has NO border. If it is good, it will be widely respected and used by all of us, no matter what colour of skin its master has or what kind of langulage its master speaks. But there is a distinct culture realization differences between Chinese(for this argument per se) and American (again, for this debate per se). That is most people in China, especially, business persons(of course including IT brains) still possess this mentality : melon merchant always brags his goods are sweeter than others, period. Attacking rivals by all reachable means is just one of many tactics in their game plans. We, here just look at the facts; if good ,stay. if not, show him the door. Simple and easy. If micropoint AV(?) is so good, pls tell me Three reasons why I need to test it. Why is it so different from other AVs. And is it still a BETA? Again, if you have a decent product, in here, show and tell. You are mostly welcomed.

[solcroft]

{QUOTE-> We, here just look at the facts; if good ,stay. if not, show him the door. Simple and easy. If micropoint AV(?) is so good, pls tell me Three reasons why I need to test it. Why is it so different from other AVs. And is it still a BETA? Again, if you have a decent product, in here, show and tell. You are mostly welcomed. <-QUOTE}
Well, I'll have a shot at it.

1. VERY powerful detection. Used Cyberhawk? Good. Now take away the system slowdown, inability to remove malware and add in a more powerful application monitoring module, and you get Micropoint.

2. Built-in software firewall. Rule-based, stateful inspection, as far as I can tell.

3. It's FREE.

Some Chinese AVs ARE a joke; Micropoint ISN'T. I've used this before, and I'll gladly attest to that. The one thing to keep in mind that the FP rate is a bit high: this is a behavior blocker, and its whitelist isn't very well-tuned for applications outside of China yet (I've seen it flag 7-zip once...). But on the flipside, adding exclusions is easy, and so is submitting FPs for analysis (it can be done automatically by the program).

Give it a try folks. I daresay it's worth your time.

[norman6810]

{QUOTE-> Hi, folks: IMO, brain power has NO border. If it is good, it will be widely respected and used by all of us, no matter what colour of skin its master has or what kind of langulage its master speaks. But there is a distinct culture realization differences between Chinese(for this argument per se) and American (again, for this debate per se). That is most people in China, especially, business persons(of course including IT brains) still possess this mentality : melon merchant always brags his goods are sweeter than others, period. Attacking rivals by all reachable means is just one of many tactics in their game plans. We, here just look at the facts; if good ,stay. if not, show him the door. Simple and easy. If micropoint AV(?) is so good, pls tell me Three reasons why I need to test it. Why is it so different from other AVs. And is it still a BETA? Again, if you have a decent product, in here, show and tell. You are mostly welcomed. <-QUOTE}

Thank you for your attention.I just found the forum yesterday.And I find that the members here are very friendly.(Sorry for my poor English,firecat)
Perman,I read some of your posts.They are very good.Three reasons why I need to test it?I like your words if good ,stay. if not, show him the door. Simple and easy. Yes ,I can give you many good reasons,but it depends on your choice,customers are the gods!If you only test it because of my words, I will not appear again.
And is it still a BETA?Yes, it still a BATE,because it still doesnt go on the market.And its English version is just introduced to the public.Without the friends overseas, MPDS can not make great progress.

[bigc73542]

It just sounds like spam to me.

[solcroft]

{QUOTE-> It just sounds like spam to me. <-QUOTE}
Granted, we're all entitled to our opinions, but I'd be interested in hearing the rationale behind yours.

[Perman]

Hi, folks; aside from what is spam and what is not, here are what i need to say.
hi, solcroft. thanks for your three pointers. They are good reasons and very much persuative. I definitely will give it a try w/ chinese version(i can read). It appears to me Micropoint is more or less similiar to OA v.2 than is to CyberHawk is it?
hi, norman6819, your reply has exhibited Chinese tranditional value-humbleness. If this is Micropoint's business attitude, then it has won a battle. There are a good number of security guru here in this forum. If Micropoint is willing to learn and to take punches, it certainly will have plenty of. And in the end, it will emerge as a clear winner. Stay tune.

[bigc73542]

{QUOTE-> Granted, we're all entitled to our opinions, but I'd be interested in hearing the rationale behind yours. <-QUOTE}


all you have to do is read the posts by the proponents of this program in this thread.

[solcroft]

{QUOTE-> hi, solcroft. thanks for your three pointers. They are good reasons and very much persuative. I definitely will give it a try w/ chinese version(i can read). It appears to me Micropoint is more or less similiar to OA v.2 than is to CyberHawk is it? <-QUOTE}
I'm not familiar with OA, but from my previous experience with Cyberhawk, Micropoints seems to be the direct Chinese equivalent.

It works on the same basis as Cyberhawk does - only the rules that trigger the alerts of respective programs are slightly different, near as I can tell. The one VERY BIG advantage over Cyberhawk is that Micropoint handles malware removal: once it detects a suspicious process, it terminates it on the spot, and offers to remove all file hierarchy and registry changes performed by the process and delete the process' executable as well. Again, use with care, since as previously mentioned, the whitelist isn't very well-tuned for Western software yet, and you might run across an FP or two.

[norman6810]

{QUOTE-> hi, norman6819, your reply has exhibited Chinese tranditional value-humbleness. If this is Micropoint's business attitude, then it has won a battle. There are a good number of security guru here in this forum. If Micropoint is willing to learn and to take punches, it certainly will have plenty of. And in the end, it will emerge as a clear winner. Stay tune. <-QUOTE}

Hey ,Perman.Happy to hear your words.Although I am not the staff of Micropoint,my altitude is the same as the Micropoint's business attitude.I just a lover of Micropoint.Some Chinese people always believe in the things from other countries.As far as I know, many Chinese people test the Micropoint because it comes from China.If the Chinese didn't support it, it would disappear quickly.I am looking forward to your test result.Thanks.

[ink]

I never tried this before, but I think technology only matters on automatic or advanced detection, a fast responding program can still do the job well, on the user side, some program can be better than other, but it doesn't mean all, if user get fine support, it can also cure the infection. No antivirus software can protect user completely, so the stupid program just have to work hard. Why not try to use their technology directly? They spend many yeas to study the technology, you just spend the money and good marketing.
Technology will never beat the capital and marketing

[norman6810]

Hi,Ink!Your opinion is so cool.Absolutely,you are a security guru. No antivirus software can protect user completelyThat is true.But I am a Lazy one, I often depend on the software.Maybe I should learn some knowledge about antivirus .

[nbl0ck]

{QUOTE-> No antivirus software can protect user completely <-QUOTE}

:) Really? I think that Anti-virus anti-trojan software can only clearing the old virus， old Trojan horse.

Anti-virus software can kill new virus new trojan horse? It's too hard..


Micropoint Proactive Defense Software's Main Functions and Its Descriptions

Function Description
Proactive defense harmful programs
Establish dynamic simulation anti-virus expert system, emulate the mechanism of expert's finding new virus, automatically identify new virus, and implement proactive defense for harmful programs such as the Virus, Worm, Trojan Horse, Backdoor, Spy ware etc.

Intelligently detect suspicious programs
In accordance with the program behaviors, can intelligently diagnose suspicious programs, find the potential threatens of the system.

Dynamically trace the program sources
Record the loading process of the program running, display loading time, parent process, process ID, etc information, completely in control of the program sources.

Completely record program creation process
Record the creation process of the program in detail, record the creation time of the program, and its creator information, etc.

Visually display network information
Completely in control of the dynamic network information, understand all the current process information with network operations, including local and remote IP addresses, port status, protocols, etc.

In control of the system status at any time
Display current program lists in categories, and display the descriptions for each program, startup time, modules invoked, parent process, process ID, command line parameters, etc in details.

Automatically extract virus characteristics
Upon finding new virus, can automatically extract virus characteristic, update the local software version by itself, implement the automation of "Capture, Analyze, Update", so as to facilitate the fast detection of the same kind of virus attacks hereafter.

Find the system vulnerability
Vulnerability scanning tool, can scan the known vulnerabilities of the system, and automatically show the links of the patches, facilitate the users fixing the vulnerabilities in time.

In control of the system autorun information
According to the different kinds of startup methods, display the detailed autorun information of the system in category, and provide the automatic fast positioning of the related registry key value, facilitate the user adjusting the autorun policies.

Superb logging system
Categorize in accordance with the differences as for issues like process startup, program creation, registry modification , attacks to the system, and record the undergoing modification of the system in details.


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Beijing Eastern Micropoint Info-Tech Co., Ltd. All rights reserved.


Micropoint English version
Help File：
http://www.sharebig.com/d/sdrtwytsu/05EoP7j4662333F0D/mp100201.rar.htm

[norman6810]

Aha,are you come from Beijing Eastern Micropoint Info-Tech Co., Ltd.?
I am a Micropoint fans.Happy to meet you here!

[nbl0ck]

{QUOTE-> Aha,are you come from Beijing Eastern Micropoint Info-Tech Co., Ltd.?
I am a Micropoint fans.Happy to meet you here! <-QUOTE}

反黑先锋::) a Micropoint fans happy to meet you here！

[norman6810]

My ID in Micropoint Forum is the same one:norman6810!

[nbl0ck]

{QUOTE-> My ID in Micropoint Forum is the same one:norman6810! <-QUOTE}

I see

sorry ,my english is very poor 中文比较好

[Carzpurzkey]

That seems to be a virus!
楼主还是用英文吧，这里很多人不认识中文！

[SourMilk]

Thanks for the introduction to Micropoint. The more antivirus programs the better. Not only more choices for the consumer but a healthy competition that will lead to better protection. Let the games begin :D

SourMilk out

[norman6810]

{QUOTE-> Thanks for the introduction to Micropoint. The more antivirus programs the better. Not only more choices for the consumer but a healthy competition that will lead to better protection. Let the games begin :D

SourMilk out <-QUOTE}

Better protection.Sounds good. I like the games.

[andylau]

{QUOTE-> 劝楼主先看看论坛规矩，老外不喜欢人家在论坛里贴照片的。

Micropoint is China's version of Cyberhawk - a proactive defense program. It combines behavioral technology and traditional signature scanning to detect malware. A very effective program IMHO, it and Filseclab are two fine pieces of security software that's come from the East lately. The screenshots show it in action blocking a network connection, detecting an unknown trojan, detecting unknown spyware, detecting unknown spyware, detecting a suspicious process which it asks if the user wants to terminate, in that order. <-QUOTE}

If you say Micropoint is Chinese version of Cyberhawk, it may not totally correct. It's because the function of Micropoint is not the same as Cyberhawk. Almost, I think Micropoint is better than Cyberhawk. But I don't say Micropoint is really good until now, may be it will be better and improved later. Micropoint still need a lot to be improved.:)

[glentrino2duo]

OT:
I wish EQSecure forum members also frequent Wilders... :)

[Franklin]

Tried it in a VM where only Sandboxie is installed.

125 meg installed and would restart whenever I tried to run FF sandboxed even after adding all of SB's modules as trusted.

Better than Cyberhawk, not at this testing.

Seems to be a 90 day trial?

Try Scoundrel Simulator against Micropoint.
Scoundrel (http://www.geeksuperhero.com/scoundrelsim.shtml)

[norman6810]

{QUOTE-> Tried it in a VM where only Sandboxie is installed.

125 meg installed and would restart whenever I tried to run FF sandboxed even after adding all of SB's modules as trusted.

Better than Cyberhawk, not at this testing.

Seems to be a 90 day trial?

Try Scoundrel Simulator against Micropoint.
Scoundrel (http://www.geeksuperhero.com/scoundrelsim.shtml) <-QUOTE}

Franklin,thank you for your testing.I have already send your testing result to the Micropoint Info-Tech CO., LTD.
Seems to be a 90 day trial?Micropoint is free now.It will give you more test time automatedly when the 90 days past.Thanks again.

[nbl0ck]

Micropoint is not a 3D hips.

Micropoint Proactive Defense Software is a next-generation security product.
It base on an anti-virus expert system can automatically protect your PC from the virus, trojan and other threat even the new born one.

::) Try testing new Virus, new Worm, new Trojan Horse, new Backdoor, new Spy and Rootkit. It's worth a try


for example, Email-Worm.Win32.Warezov 2007-5-12
http://bbs.micropoint.com.cn/showthread.asp?tid=11671&fpage=1

Rabbit
http://bbs.micropoint.com.cn/showthread.asp?tid=8993&fpage=1&highlight=%2B%B7%B4%BA%DA%CF%C8%B7%E6

Extortionists virus Trojan/Agent
http://bbs.micropoint.com.cn/showthread.asp?tid=5789&fpage=1&highlight=%2B%B7%B4%BA%DA%CF%C8%B7%E6

Danger！like this killdisk or logic bomb（cmd>format）
http://bbs.micropoint.com.cn/showthread.asp?tid=4108&fpage=1&highlight=%2B%B7%B4%BA%DA%CF%C8%B7%E6

Trojan.Win32.KillProc.d virus
http://bbs.kafan.cn/viewthread.php?tid=95790&extra=page%3D1

[dogma]

Interesting... Any update?

Is the english version in beta? Would like to hear your experiences.

[dogma]

ok, I've installed this.

1. The english version is Beta
2. States duration of service is 90 days? Thought this program was free, NOT free trial?
The English version already has serial included.

It asks for (software) registration.

On first re-boot Geswall has not loaded, which suggests that there maybe a conflict. I'll reboot once again.

Also on first re-boot it has detected activetoolband.dll, anyone know what this is?

Here are some screenshots

[solcroft]

The license will renew itself after 90 days. It's an unlimited trial ATM.

Regarding the dll file, is your computer an Acer model?

[dogma]

{QUOTE-> The license will renew itself after 90 days. It's an unlimited trial ATM. <-QUOTE}
Does this mean it's no longer freeware after beta?
{QUOTE-> Regarding the dll file, is your computer an Acer model? <-QUOTE}
Yes it is, it's must be a FP, see this thread (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=183393).

Unfortunately, it also conflicts with Geswall. And could not remember some trusted programs, exe's. Hence, same alerts upon restarts.

[solcroft]

{QUOTE-> Does this mean it's no longer freeware after beta?

Yes it is, it's must be a FP, see this thread (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=183393).

Unfortunately, it also conflicts with Geswall. And could not remember some trusted programs, exe's. Hence, same alerts upon restarts. <-QUOTE}
Micropoint is a commercial product. They're reportedly facing difficulties in getting onto the market and officially selling their product due to some legal issues, which is one of the biggest controversies on the Chinese security software field these days. However, if you like the product, I don't think it will be very expensive for Western customers after the currency conversion.

Regarding the inability to remember trusted files, if you're willing to post the relevent screenshots, I can report the issues to the developers for you.

[dogma]

{QUOTE-> Regarding the inability to remember trusted files, if you're willing to post the relevent screenshots, I can report the issues to the developers for you. <-QUOTE}

Well, I've uninstalled it due to the conflict with Geswall. Could you inform the developers about this? if they aren't already aware.

The screenshot it basically the first popup window which offers the option of allow this and remember the action i.e. an exclusion list. The problem is, IME, that it asks about thee same process after a restart/reboot. I didn't take any screenshots. I did like the program.

Could you also inform them about the FP with activetoolband.dll that I encountered in this thread (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=183393).

Thanks

[solcroft]

Does GeSWall load now that you've uninstalled Micropoint?

[dogma]

I have re-imaged since then. But my guess is that it may have done. It definitely wasn't running alongside Micropoint after reboot to complete installation.

Geswall is top on my list when installing security software.

[norman6810]

{QUOTE-> I have re-imaged since then. But my guess is that it may have done. It definitely wasn't running alongside Micropoint after reboot to complete installation.

Geswall is top on my list when installing security software. <-QUOTE}
Hey, dogma,I send your test results to the developers of MP,including the FP.I think they will deal with them.

[norman6810]

dogma
What ahout the problem?
Does it exit now? I haven't receive the reply from MP.

[bellgamin]

The 90-day limitation bothers me. What if I really really LIKE this program? How can I keep using it after 90 days? Can I buy it, or WHAT?

[solcroft]

{QUOTE-> The 90-day limitation bothers me. What if I really really LIKE this program? How can I keep using it after 90 days? Can I buy it, or WHAT? <-QUOTE}
The license refreshes itself with another 90 days after it expires. It'll keep on doing this until the program is officially released (i.e. out of beta), where I'll assume you can purchase it.

[bellgamin]

10Q sol ;)

[wantcm]

Micropoint is a great product,is the best of Chinese made AVs.

The English BETA version is free.

[SealongKY]

So glad to meet so many MP fans here!;D