suse linux 10.2

[lodore]

hello,
i was thinking of installing suse 10.2 on my old dell Pentium 3 1256mb ram pc
atm i have windows ME installed on it.
i want to eiether dual boot windows Me and suse 10.2 or use wmware server whichi belive is free and use windows Me inside wmwaare but dont know if that would be to slow on my old pc.
also does wmware server even work on suse10.2?
i will probaly get a wireless nic card for my old pc to use the net on it sometimes.
im not ready to dual boot my main xp pc as off yet.
i might save up and get a cheap 3000 or 3200 socket 939 amd processer 64 bit and run the 64bit of suse linux on it.
lodore

[Mrkvonic]

Hello,

Your questions:

VMware Server works on Suse 10.2 - personal guarantee.

Do you have 1256MB or 256MB??
If it's only 256MB, you should not be installing virtualization software... In that case, I suggest a lightweight distro like Xubuntu.

You can try my vmware server and windows in linux and dual boot articles.

Mrk

[lodore]

ok can i dual boot windows ME and suse 10.2 on my old Pentuim 3 pm with only 256mb of ram?
because i like suse 10.2 but dont know if it will run well on my old pc.
if not i might try ubuntu or the one you sergested but i want to try suse 10.2 first

my main pc running xp has 3200 amd 64 bit processer and 1gb of ram but dont want to dual boot on that yet anyway
lodore

[Mrkvonic]

Hello,
There's no reason not to boot, but your choice...
Therefore, try Xubuntu, get hang of the command line and Linux usage. Running it with KDE on 256MB will be a bit difficult. Maybe Gnome, but then you're missing the real fun of the sexiest desktop available.
After that, moving to SUSE will be piece of cake.
Mrk

[lodore]

my pc has just one partistion for the whole 160gb because stupid carriera made it that way when i brought it.
plus i dont have a windows cd to reinstall windows to have it only using like 10gb partistion.
and i dont want to use a third party app toe repartstion because i have no windows cd to reinstall it if it goes wrong lol.
i might try and get a cheap socket 939 system for linux so i can try 64 bit linux without screwing up my current pc.
it should be alot cheaper with no OS
lodore

[Mrkvonic]

Hello,

You can install SUSE 10.2 on your other pc, but your specs are the low end. It will run, but the experience won't be as good as you it might be. You'll might get the wrong impression. I warmly recommend you try Xubuntu; it will work quite well with that machine.

Once you get hang of what Linux is and how it works > move to SUSE.

Mrk

[lodore]

i was reading about the installing by typing in the name of the installer and pressing accept. but first you had to type commnads in to the terminal.
i will have to experiment.
i used a linux live cd to make the windows me partistion to only 10gb so ive got 30gb left.
lodore

[Mrkvonic]

Hello,
You can also use the 100% GUI installer.
Mrk

[KDNeese]

-{ Quote: "hello,
i was thinking of installing suse 10.2 on my old dell Pentium 3 1256mb ram pc
atm i have windows ME installed on it.
i want to eiether dual boot windows Me and suse 10.2 or use wmware server whichi belive is free and use windows Me inside wmwaare but dont know if that would be to slow on my old pc.
also does wmware server even work on suse10.2?
i will probaly get a wireless nic card for my old pc to use the net on it sometimes.
im not ready to dual boot my main xp pc as off yet.
i might save up and get a cheap 3000 or 3200 socket 939 amd processer 64 bit and run the 64bit of suse linux on it.
lodore" }-

Lodore,

Have you tried SUSE10.2 on your main computer with VMWare Player? It runs quite well on my system that only has 512MB RAM. In fact, it's what I'm running right now. Didn't know if you knew there was already a SUSE10.2 with KDE virtual machine available at VMWare site. If you were already aware of that, then never mind. I am currently trying to download the SUSE10.2 liveDVD, but with a dial-up connection is going in increments. I should have it downloaded by the time I turn 90. By the way, I have Mrkvonic to thank for getting me started with the Linux (and VMWare) software. It's been an awsome experience. Like you, Lodore, I don't yet feel ready to try to actually install Linux on my machine, since I am in the same boat, having bought a PC with XP already installed. So, if I were to hose my system, that would be it for Windows. Not that I would miss XP that much, but would definitely miss my Madden Football...

[lodore]

hmm i didnt know there was kde with wmware.
i might try that when i got some new ram for my pc.
ok so you use wmware player
also is there a 64bit already made suse 10.2 for wmware?
because i might try the 64bit version of suse10.2 on wmware but a already made one
where can i get a already made kde vvirtual machine for wmware player? 64bit is prefered but 32bit is ok
links?
lodore

[Mrkvonic]

-{ Quote: "hmm i didnt know there was kde with wmware.
i might try that when i got some new ram for my pc.
do you use wmware server which is free?
also is there a 64bit already made suse 10.2 for wmware?
lodore" }-

Hello,
Even better - why don't you install it yourself? You can choose between kde and gnome. Furthermore, vmware server is free. You cannot run 64-bit OS on 32-bit platform - that is your Windows. But the testing of the general functionality is the same.
Try my installing suse linux tutorial - all your questions will be answered.
Mrk

[lodore]

i cant find the suse 10.2 guide on your website can you give me a link?
lodore

[Mrkvonic]

Hello,

Here it goes:

http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/install_suse.html

It's for SUSE 10.1 but the differences are virtually none. And of course, if you have questions, don't ask to hesitate.

Mrk

[Ice_Czar]

-{ Quote: " And of course, if you have questions, don't ask to hesitate.

Mrk" }-

OK :p

how would I go about optimizing NUMA in 64bit w\ 4GB of PC2700?
(for Linux based graphics software) then repeat a memory optimization for VMware but thi time the aps are on W2K inside VMware

Tyan K8W w\ hypertransport IGB per channel (2 channels per CPU) Opteron 244's

not that I expect specifics so much as clues\keywords I can search with (NUMA scripts? configs?)

[Mrkvonic]

Hello,
I seem to have failed at the first question. NUMA?
Mrk

[Ice_Czar]

non uniform memory access ;)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Uniform_Memory_Access

Non-Uniform Memory Access or Non-Uniform Memory Architecture (NUMA) is a computer memory design used in multiprocessors, where the memory access time depends on the memory location relative to a processor. Under NUMA, a processor can access its own local memory faster than non-local memory, that is, memory local to another processor or memory shared between processors.

Limiting the number of memory accesses provide the key to extracting high performance from a modern computer. For commodity processors, this means installing an ever-increasing amount of high-speed cache memory and using increasingly sophisticated algorithms to avoid "cache misses". But the dramatic increase in size of the operating systems and of the applications run on them have generally overwhelmed these cache-processing improvements. Multi-processor systems make the problem considerably worse. Now a system can starve several processors at the same time, notably because only one processor can access memory at a time.

NUMA attempts to address this problem by providing separate memory for each processor, avoiding the performance hit when several processors attempt to address the same memory. For problems involving spread data (common for servers and similar applications), NUMA can improve the performance over a single shared memory by a factor of roughly the number of processors (or separate memory banks).

[Mrkvonic]

Hello,
Well, frankly I must admit that this is a bit outside my domain of knowledge. I have very little knowledge about hardware programming and cannot really help you here...
But if you need a nice low-pass filter or random distribution pulse generator, I can help there... Or maybe something else Linux-wise...
Mrk

[iceni60]

if you install suse 10.2 the first thing you should do is remove zmd because it's still broken and will just really slow everything down - http://opensuse-community.org/Package_Sources

after that i always install smart (the package manager) it comes with all the repositories you need to install software, so i run smart, update it then upgrade all the programs. here's another link - http://www.softwareinreview.com/cms/content/view/60/

there's some stuff here if you want it - http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=139146 you can find programs that aren't in the repos here - http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/

you can always just install another desktop environment like xfce if you think your computer isn't powerful enough (that would be like install xubuntu which uses xfce) i just installed suse 10.2 yesterday, i like it.

[Mrkvonic]

Hello,
Ice, no need to remove zmd. You can leave it.
Instead, the user can simply update via Yast > Online Update. Very simple.
BTW, you are not allowed to run Xfce with SUSE - only KDE or if you really must Gnome ... :)
Mrk

P.S. I must admit you got a knack for visualization.

[lodore]

nice guide Mrkvonic:thumb:
is there a printer friendly version?
i need to print it out to have it with me when i want to dual boot my old windows ME pc.
lodore

[Ice_Czar]

-{ Quote: "P.S. I must admit you got a knack for visualization." }-
why thank you
(I think :P I just cut and pasted that description from wikipedia)

doing a little research and it looks like numactl (http://www.novell.com/products/linuxpackages/suselinux/numactl.html) is the ticket (NUMA Policy Control)

"Control NUMA policy for individual processes. Offer libnuma for individual NUMA policy in applications."

of course what the hell libnuma is...
libnuma (http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man3/numa.3.html) NUMA policy Library (makes sense) appears to be a programming interface to NUMA (now I get to learn LInux programming :P)

ahhh here are the other things I'll need (or at least understand)
get_mempolicy (http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man2/get_mempolicy.2.html)
getpagesize (http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man2/getpagesize.2.html)
mbind (http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man2/mbind.2.html)
mmap (http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man2/mmap.2.html)
set_mempolicy (http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man2/set_mempolicy.2.html)
shmat (http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man2/shmat.2.html)
sched_setaffinity (http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man2/sched_setaffinity.2.html)

I assume these tools are employed in the configs\scripts mentioned in the other thread? Any place with really dumbed down introduction on that? (good place to find basic instructions and advanced search terms, syntax, order to use tools ect)

-{ Quote: " you can find programs that aren't in the repos here - http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/
" }-

reassuring to see the tools above available in the openSUSE package search ;)
seems most are available as documentation in manuals, which I gather means they are integral tools to the kernel? which would be even better

[Mrkvonic]

Hello,
Sorry, I haven't made printer friendly version yet. Although I checked printing previews, they look ok. I'll see if I get time to make these versions... Too many things on me mind, so little time...
Ice, slow down man. Take one geek step at a time.
Mrk

[Ice_Czar]

LOL

Im going to have to jump in the deep end eventually :P
For me Linux is all about 64bit NUMA performance driven Computer Graphics
(trying out opensource modeling and rendering ) and then doing it again via VMware\W2K (Illustrator\Photoshop ect)

besides I blew the heatsink off one of my VRMs and Im waiting for a replacement TIM
(needs to hold the heatsink to the chips) good time for research

[Alphalutra1]

-{ Quote: "
BTW, you are not allowed to run Xfce with SUSE - only KDE or if you really must Gnome ... :)
Mrk
" }-
That can't be right. Those could be the two base environments initially used, but you can easily (at least I would hope so), install any other desktop environment or window manager if you wanted to.

Another window manager that runs fairly light but has plenty of eye candy is enlightenment 17.

Alphalutra1

[iceni60]

http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2007-01-31-016-26-NW-DT-SS :D

[Ice_Czar]

pop the hood, look at the engine
(basic Linux Configuration & commands)

http://edtech.it.bton.ac.uk/ism05-01/linuxconf/tutorial.html
identify key configuration files in a Linux system
become familiar with some basic Linux configuration utilities

http://www.reallylinux.com/docs/basicconfig.shtml
post-installation Linux configuration for the Linux newbie

http://www.reallylinux.com/docs/basic.shtml
Basic Linux Commands

http://www.reallylinux.com/docs/guru.shtml
Commands For Guru Wanna-bees

http://freeengineer.org/learnUNIXin10minutes.html
commandline cheat sheet

http://www.reallylinux.com/docs/admin.shtml
Beginner Server Administrator Commands (basic networking)

http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2006/11/ifconfig-dissected-and-demystified.html
ifconfig demystified (similar to ipconfig but different :p )

http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-sslvnc.html?ca=dgr-lnxw16SSLVNC
Secure VNC Apps with SSL
(basic remote desktop, strangely familiar since I use TightVNC\openSSL with cygwin)

http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=143&pgno=1
Swapfile Vs. Paging File

http://linux-mm.org/LinuxMMDocumentation
Linux memory management (overview to technical)

http://www.faqs.org/docs/linux_admin/x1762.html
Linux swap space management

http://www.howtoforge.com/partitioning_with_gparted
Linux live Partition Management gParted
(your likely to want a dedicated swap partition to avoid fragmentation)

http://software.newsforge.com/software/06/06/27/206209.shtml?tid=91&tid=132
Hardware diagnostics w\ GRML (Live CD) (memtest, cpu burn in, HDD diagnostics)

HA!!! found it

http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/christoph/pmig/numamemory.pdf
Local and Remote Memory: Memory in a Linux / NUMA System

(you find the weirdest stuff searching, sort of glad that "fun with butter" link was dead)

[iceni60]

you can find loads of stuff here -
http://www.tldp.org/guides.html

[Pedro]

Ice, hold your horses! Those are bookmarks, ok, done, but wait for us:o

[Mrkvonic]

-{ Quote: "That can't be right. Those could be the two base environments initially used, but you can easily (at least I would hope so), install any other desktop environment or window manager if you wanted to.

Another window manager that runs fairly light but has plenty of eye candy is enlightenment 17.

Alphalutra1" }-

Hello,
I was joking. As in "only sexy desktops are allowed...."
Of course you can use any - but you are not morally allowed...
Lost in translation...
Mrk

[KDNeese]

-{ Quote: "hmm i didnt know there was kde with wmware.
i might try that when i got some new ram for my pc.
ok so you use wmware player
also is there a 64bit already made suse 10.2 for wmware?
because i might try the 64bit version of suse10.2 on wmware but a already made one
where can i get a already made kde vvirtual machine for wmware player? 64bit is prefered but 32bit is ok
links?
lodore" }-

Lodore,

Here is the link for SUSE 10.1 with KDE virtual machine:

http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/508

Here is the link for KDE 3.5.5 on SUSE 10.2:

http://developer.kde.org/~binner/vmware/

There are also liveCD's, liveDVD's available also. I have direct download links for those in my downloader program if you want them. Can post them or PM them if you want them. :thumb: I know there is a 64-bit liveCD/DVD for the KDE-SUSE 10.2, but don't have the link for posting right now. I can't remember if the download was at KDE website or openSUSE, but could probably find it rather easily if you really needed it.

[lodore]

i would like a 32bit live cd link please
i prefer KDE from looking at there site earlier.
i am also gonna try mandriva linux later as well.
lodore

[KDNeese]

-{ Quote: "i would like a 32bit live cd link please
i prefer KDE from looking at there site earlier.
i am also gonna try mandriva linux later as well.
lodore" }-

Here is the direct download link for the 32-bit SUSE 10.2 w/ KDE LiveDVD:

http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.2/iso/dvd/openSUSE-10.2-GM-DVD-i386.iso

The Mandriva is a torrent download, so don't have direct link.

[kennyboy]

Question to Mrkvonic.

Completely new to Linux so bear with me if you will.
Thought I would give Suse running in a VMware virtual machine a try to introduce myself to the delights of a "proper" operating system.
So, have downloaded the ready made KDE 3.5.5 with Suse from the VMware website. Archive size is 833Mg. Hope this is the right one.
Then extracted this file to its own folder and have 4 files.
1. KDE 3.5.5 on openSuse 10.2.vmdk
2. KDE 3.5.5 on openSuse 10.2.vmx
3. KDE 3.5.5 on openSuse 10.2.vmsd
4. nvram

Really not sure where I go from here. Could you (or someone) please advise. As you can see, this is very new for me, but would very much like to try.
Many thanks.

[Ice_Czar]

this may help till he wakes up and hooks up his caffine IV :p
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=162046&highlight=VMware
and here it is backwards (Windows on Linux)
http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/vmware_server_and_windows_in_linux.html

[KDNeese]

-{ Quote: "Question to Mrkvonic.

Completely new to Linux so bear with me if you will.
Thought I would give Suse running in a VMware virtual machine a try to introduce myself to the delights of a "proper" operating system.
So, have downloaded the ready made KDE 3.5.5 with Suse from the VMware website. Archive size is 833Mg. Hope this is the right one.
Then extracted this file to its own folder and have 4 files.
1. KDE 3.5.5 on openSuse 10.2.vmdk
2. KDE 3.5.5 on openSuse 10.2.vmx
3. KDE 3.5.5 on openSuse 10.2.vmsd
4. nvram

Really not sure where I go from here. Could you (or someone) please advise. As you can see, this is very new for me, but would very much like to try.
Many thanks." }-

OK - quick version:

1. Open VMWare Player
2. Go to your folder that contains these files. Open the folder.
3. Double-Click on the .vmx file
4. You're off to the races!!!

[Mrkvonic]

Hello,

You could use VMware Server as well - offers many more options.

Once you get the hang of SUSE:

Build your own virtual machine
Try to install SUSE as a guest OS in that virtual machine.

Mtk

[kennyboy]

Thankyou all for your helpful replies. It seems a bit buggy on starting in the VMware, but if it does open it asks for passwords. I know I have seen them somewhere, but cant find them now.
Thanks again

[Pedro]

In the page where you downloaded, you'll find the password.
http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/ .

[kennyboy]

-{ Quote: "In the page where you downloaded, you'll find the password.
http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/ ." }-

Thats what I thought, but if it is there. I cant see it.

[Pedro]

When you clicked download, you open this page http://developer.kde.org/~binner/vmware/ , where:

-{ Quote: "Usage

Decompress the archive and open the .vmx file with VMware Player. The virtual machine will start to boot and as user "guest" with password "guest" you can log into the KDE desktop.

Advanced Usage

The password for the "root" administrator user is "toor". The VMware tools are installed.

As "root" you can start the "YaST" system configuration and add users and install more applications of KDE and openSUSE 10.2. Installation sources are preconfigured. And many more installation sources are available." }-

[Alphalutra1]

-{ Quote: "Hello,
I was joking. As in "only sexy desktops are allowed...."
Of course you can use any - but you are not morally allowed...
Lost in translation...
Mrk" }-
Haha...:-X :D

Yeah, I find dwm sexy ;D Same with ratpoison ;D You better watch out though, the eyecandy is considered a bit obsessive with each, and you need a blazing pc to run it ;) . Also, since KDE is so light along with GNOME, I just can't seem to run it :P Same with Beryl, my 16 MB graphics card just runs too quickly and instead of a spinning cube, all I see is a blur.

In terms of vmware and virtual machines, installing your own machine is always the way to go in my opinion. It gives you a greater understanding of the operating system, lets you configure it the way you want, and ultimately prepares you for the leap to installing it on a real pc (that's how I learned most I know albeit little of freebsd)

Cheers,

Alphalutra1

[kennyboy]

-{ Quote: "When you clicked download, you open this page http://developer.kde.org/~binner/vmware/ , where:" }-

Unbelievable isnt it. Terrible thing this old age. The number of times I looked at that page. Thankyou for your help.........and your patience...........:)

[Pedro]

No worries:)
It can happen to anyone.