What a kick*** program!

[Rilla927]

Hi Folks,

I have been playing with FD for the first time and I'm in awe of this program. It's definately amazing:o

Thanks Peter for your help;D

Happy New Year To All Fellow Members & Mods at Wilders.

Have a Safe-N-Happy Holiday;)

[Peter2150]

{QUOTE-> Hi Folks,

I have been playing with FD for the first time and I'm in awe of this program. It's definately amazing:o

Thanks Peter for your help;D

Happy New Year To All Fellow Members & Mods at Wilders.

Have a Safe-N-Happy Holiday;) <-QUOTE}

It sure is awesome.

Rilla you are most welcome.

Happy New Year to all the "froggie" enthusiasts.

Pete

[Rilla927]

{QUOTE-> It sure is awesome.

Rilla you are most welcome.

Happy New Year to all the "froggie" enthusiasts.

Pete <-QUOTE} Oh this is so cool:thumb:

I installed two programs on the secondary and done a copy/update to the Primary and viola! The old stuff gone. I have made a archive on the external. I haven't done a copy/update to or from the archive yet.

I ran a off line boot defrag in PD and after 45 minutes it was only at 38%. Does this happen to you?

[Peter2150]

{QUOTE-> Oh this is so cool:thumb:

I installed two programs on the secondary and done a copy/update to the Primary and viola! The old stuff gone. I have made a archive on the external. I haven't done a copy/update to or from the archive yet.

I ran a off line boot defrag in PD and after 45 minutes it was only at 38%. Does this happen to you? <-QUOTE}

No, that hasn't happened to me. If it persists I'd email Raxco, and ask them.

Pete

[Rilla927]

{QUOTE-> No, that hasn't happened to me. If it persists I'd email Raxco, and ask them.

Pete <-QUOTE}
Okay, thanks Pete! Wiil do.

[Brian N]

I'll sign that. It's quite amazing and it regularly saves me loads & loads of time.
Best part is that I don't have to call M$ anymore to activate my copy of XP :thumb: :thumb:

Well not really the best part, but you know what I mean :)

[Rilla927]

{QUOTE-> I'll sign that. It's quite amazing and it regularly saves me loads & loads of time.
Best part is that I don't have to call M$ anymore to activate my copy of XP :thumb: :thumb:

Well not really the best part, but you know what I mean :) <-QUOTE}
That's a great way to look at it.

I love this program. This is the best software investment I have made yet.

I feel so much more at ease :thumb:

[chrome_sturmen]

:thumb: ;) :thumb:

[EASTER.2010]

{QUOTE-> I love this program. This is the best software investment I have made yet.

I feel so much more at ease <-QUOTE}

That makes all the difference in the world. Just like our vehicles, when something breaks on them and immediately disables that ability to travel, it can make for some pretty anxious moments. Recovery Console is not always the answer and keeping notes on the commands like in DOS on 98se is not something i relish having to do. That's what a computer is supposed to do, but then we're talking about a not so perfect O/S and vulnerabilities by the hundreds, and not just malware/viruses.

I been there with 98SE and now XP Pro. The worse thing i encountered is not been a BSOD but when the Windows system refuses to boot into the GUI or Safe Mode due to an unusual corruption or other nail-chewing event.

It's a relief to possess an ability to turn to these snapshots which in effect keeps a perfect parallel to the state it was taken, preserving everything BEFORE that was working properly.

I got to jump on this bandwagon for sure because nothing is more depressing than having to reload your Windows XP again from the start. Even if it retained all your applications, there is still the matter of changing PATHS to them and removing the old settings to them.

[C.S.J]

ok,

im trying it out......

but why does the snapshot of my computer take 5.02GB ?

acronis does the same job in 1.9GB ?

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so could someone please give me a reason why i shouldnt use aconis over this :-\

i already have the built in dell partition backup but that comes with loads of bloatware, so was looking for a backup in the computer of my own, and as said above, FD is taking a LOT more room on the harddrive.

[Acadia]

{QUOTE-> ok,

so could someone please give me a reason why i shouldnt use aconis over this :-\ <-QUOTE}
There is nothing wrong with using both, many folks do. FirstDefense for instant recovery, Acornis for hard drive failure; the best of both worlds. 8)

Acadia

[Rilla927]

{QUOTE-> ok,

im trying it out......

but why does the snapshot of my computer take 5.02GB ?

acronis does the same job in 1.9GB ?

---------------
so could someone please give me a reason why i shouldnt use aconis over this :-\ <-QUOTE}You should use both. FD is not a replacement for for your imaging program, but it sure will help a long the way most of the time from restoring a image. So you will have two safety nets.

Are you using it on a laptop or desktop with more than one HD?

If you keep a copy archived on a external, another HD, or DVD you can always restore that if something drastic was to ever happen as a last resort.

If you buy this program you won't regret it;)

[C.S.J]

thx for your input guys,

but i dont believe in having something installed if not needed, and acronis only takes up 2gb of my laptop harddrive for a full restoration, which i prefer.

if i had both, 7gb wasted for no reason really.....instead of just 2, see what i mean?

[Peter2150]

{QUOTE-> thx for your input guys,

but i dont believe in having something installed if not needed, and acronis only takes up 2gb of my laptop harddrive for a full restoration, which i prefer.

if i had both, 7gb wasted for no reason really.....instead of just 2, see what i mean? <-QUOTE}

If all you need is backup, then you are right, but FDISR will give you capabilities imaging doesn't.

If disk space is really that much of an issue, you might take Acronis off your disk, and just run it from the recovery CD

[Rilla927]

{QUOTE-> If all you need is backup, then you are right, but FDISR will give you capabilities imaging doesn't.

If disk space is really that much of an issue, you might take Acronis off your disk, and just run it from the recovery CD <-QUOTE}
That's what I would have said.

[Rilla927]

{QUOTE-> thx for your input guys,

but i dont believe in having something installed if not needed, and acronis only takes up 2gb of my laptop harddrive for a full restoration, which i prefer.

if i had both, 7gb wasted for no reason really.....instead of just 2, see what i mean? <-QUOTE} FD has flexabilities that a image program doesn't.

If something goes wrong in a snapshot you just do a copy/update from one of the other snaps and that's it. All the wrongs are washed away. So in a way it does have capabilities simialiar to a image program but more flexable at the same time.

As I add more software I do a copy/update. I don't know how often you image your system but FD is always ahead of my image program for the fact of copy/update, it's so much quicker in small increments. Here's another thing, imaging takes much longer than to do a copy/update with FD. So as long as you have a archive that stays up to date with the rest of the snaps you will always be able to recover, except hardware failures.

[Acadia]

With FirstDefense I have 10 different c:drives. I am able to experiment and configure them any way that I want, without fear that my experimenting and weird configurations are gonna kill my poor system: PLAY TIME! 8)

Acadia

[Rilla927]

{QUOTE-> With FirstDefense I have 10 different c:drives. I am able to experiment and configure them any way that I want, without fear that my experimenting and weird configurations are gonna kill my poor system: PLAY TIME! 8)

Acadia <-QUOTE}
What a great piece of mind, ha;)

I have always read that you have ten snaps. Do you copy/update them every day? How does that setup work for you?

I just had to dump the third snap I had because I didn't have enough space on C drive. I know I could put it on another drive. I was just being overly protective in the begining. I do have a archive set a side.

This program is worth it's weight in gold;D

[Acadia]

No, I do not update all ten everyday, usually just one or two (I also have 6 archived Snapshots ;D ). I like to keep some of them for a very long time, up to a year. That way, if something bad starts happening to my system, and I suspect it was a download or something that I did a long time ago, I can simply backup my docs, email, and Favorites, retrieve a very old Snapshot, and take it from there, only having to bring my AV and other security signatures up to date. 8) My ten Snapshots are spread all over the place timewise, so I have many options when restoring. Also, at least two Snapshots I keep simply for experimentation, playing with new software. Space on my hard drive is not a problem for me since I never download video or music.

Acadia

[WilliamP]

I only have two snap shots. Thank God for FDISR. This morning after downloading an update to one my programs and attempted reboot I had to boot to my copy. My system was locked up. This isn't the first time FDISR saved my butt.

[Rilla927]

{QUOTE-> I only have two snap shots. Thank God for FDISR. This morning after downloading an update to one my programs and attempted reboot I had to boot to my copy. My system was locked up. This isn't the first time FDISR saved my butt. <-QUOTE}
Is that not awesome or what!

[Rilla927]

{QUOTE-> That makes all the difference in the world. Just like our vehicles, when something breaks on them and immediately disables that ability to travel, it can make for some pretty anxious moments. <-QUOTE} God, you are so right.

{QUOTE-> Recovery Console is not always the answer and keeping notes on the commands like in DOS on 98se is not something i relish having to do. That's what a computer is supposed to do, but then we're talking about a not so perfect O/S and vulnerabilities by the hundreds, and not just malware/viruses. <-QUOTE} I have never used the Recovery Console. You are right, that's what a computer supposed to do.

{QUOTE-> I been there with 98SE and now XP Pro. The worse thing i encountered is not been a BSOD but when the Windows system refuses to boot into the GUI or Safe Mode due to an unusual corruption or other nail-chewing event. <-QUOTE} Yes, I have been there.

{QUOTE-> It's a relief to possess an ability to turn to these snapshots which in effect keeps a perfect parallel to the state it was taken, preserving everything BEFORE that was working properly. <-QUOTE} I agree 110%.

{QUOTE-> I got to jump on this bandwagon for sure because nothing is more depressing than having to reload your Windows XP again from the start. Even if it retained all your applications, there is still the matter of changing PATHS to them and removing the old settings to them. <-QUOTE} Boy, you got that right. It's time consuming no matter how you look at it. But, not with FD;D

[Rilla927]

{QUOTE-> I only have two snap shots. Thank God for FDISR. This morning after downloading an update to one my programs and attempted reboot I had to boot to my copy. My system was locked up. This isn't the first time FDISR saved my butt. <-QUOTE} I love stories like this, FD proves itself once again;D

[Leapfrog Software]

Hey Rilla927, thanks for your comments. Keep your eyes on these forums for something nifty coming soon!

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE-> Keep your eyes on these forums for something nifty coming soon! <-QUOTE}
I'm looking forward to that !!! :)

[EASTER.2010]

{QUOTE-> Keep your eyes on these forums for something nifty coming soon! <-QUOTE}
{QUOTE-> I'm looking forward to that !!! <-QUOTE}

Heh, he's not the only one.............................8)

[Rilla927]

{QUOTE-> Hey Rilla927, thanks for your comments. Keep your eyes on these forums for something nifty coming soon! <-QUOTE}
Sorry, I just came across this post but you are welcome and it's well deserving thats for sure;)

What do you have in your bag of Tricks;D

[Brian N]

{QUOTE-> Sorry, I just came across this post but you are welcome and it's well deserving thats for sure;)

What do you have in your bag of Tricks;D <-QUOTE}
Probably the new beta ;)

[Rilla927]

{QUOTE-> Probably the new beta ;) <-QUOTE} Geez,

I thought maybe he was gonna give some details of the Beta. FD is running too good for me, so I think I will leave the Beta stuff for the others cuz I will get the upgrade when it comes out.

See, I get the best of both worlds;D

[Brian N]

{QUOTE-> Geez,

I thought maybe he was gonna give some details of the Beta. FD is running too good for me, so I think I will leave the Beta stuff for the others cuz I will get the upgrade when it comes out.

See, I get the best of both worlds;D <-QUOTE}
;D Details: http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=163171

[Rilla927]

{QUOTE-> ;D Details: http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=163171 <-QUOTE}

Yes, I have seen that. I was thinking in terms of something none of us have known yet.

[Brian N]

ahh ok :)

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE-> Yes, I have seen that. I was thinking in terms of something none of us have known yet. <-QUOTE}
Me too, like NOT time-related schedules in FDISR.
I can't use schedules because they are all time-related and the password in schedules should be optional.
Compatibily with winVISTA is only good for me 5 years later. ;D

My wish list is longer than that, but no bad word about the "perfect" FDISR in this forum. Everybody seems to be happy with what is missing in FDISR. :)

[stapp]

I am a relatively new user to FD but I can honestly say it has transformed that way I use my computer. I am much more confident about trying new software etc as if I don't like it, or it doesn't work properly I just do a copy/update of my snapshot, and the software was never there :)

It should be on computers by default!!

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE-> It should be on computers by default!! <-QUOTE}
Maybe when M$ acquires Leapfrog. ;D

[Peter2150]

{QUOTE-> Maybe when M$ acquires Leapfrog. ;D <-QUOTE}

NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rilla927]

{QUOTE->

It should be on computers by default!! <-QUOTE}
Boy, if this isn't a true statement I don't know what is;)

[Rilla927]

{QUOTE-> Maybe when M$ acquires Leapfrog. ;D <-QUOTE}
Shhh... we don't want MS in the picture. MS would ruin everything::)

[Acadia]

NEWS FLASH!! I just read that both Leapfrog and Raxco have been acquired by Symantec! (only kidding fellows, no heart attacks or putting your fists thru your monitors, please ;D )

Acadia

[Leapfrog Software]

hmm (falling off chair)

[Acadia]

{QUOTE-> hmm (falling off chair) <-QUOTE}
LOL! Sorry about that! :dry:

Acadia

[eyes-open]

{QUOTE-> LOL! Sorry about that! :dry:

Acadia <-QUOTE}

Worry not - he's in the instant recovery business ..... :D

[Rilla927]

Hi,

To all the new comers to FD-ISR.

You will find out it is one of the best decisions you ever made and welcome!

[EASTER.2010]

I can't wait to get started. Ironing out the pattern on a new HD first before stationing FD-ISR to it. All you FD users make a LOT of noise in all of the right places. 8) Sure got my attention.

[Rilla927]

{QUOTE-> I can't wait to get started. Ironing out the pattern on a new HD first before stationing FD-ISR to it. All you FD users make a LOT of noise in all of the right places. 8) Sure got my attention. <-QUOTE} I got to admit it the best piece of software I have ever come across.

It has saved my system so many times I can not count. It saves you so much time if used wisely. I will never be with out this program because it's so vital to my system integrity.

Ever since the first time I installed it I never looked back. I always keep an archive up to date just in case.

[Peter2150]

{QUOTE-> I can't wait to get started. Ironing out the pattern on a new HD first before stationing FD-ISR to it. All you FD users make a LOT of noise in all of the right places. 8) Sure got my attention. <-QUOTE}

You will understand the first time you have something trash your system, and you see how easily and quickly it fixes it. Or for testing when you want to install something, and then have it completely gone.

Pete

[stapp]

I would never have tried the software I have without the cushion of FD. Just knowing I can screw up and put it right in a reboot is just....well...GREAT!!!

[Meriadoc]

{QUOTE-> 8) Sure got my attention.
<-QUOTE}
EASTER.2010, you sure wont regret it!

One of the better programs in my view.

[EASTER.2010]

How does VMware fair with FD-ISR? Anything of some concern i should be aware of or is does it coexist just fine?

I have to admit i harbor no reservations or fear whatsoever when it comes to malware since i've turned loosed most the most notorious of them for study but when it comes to any backup process program i'm woefully behind the times with any of them. The times that i have spent trying to make backups have been nothing short of a terrible experience for me over time, whether it's my own lack of fully understanding the process or just some incompatibilities, this is where i take a back seat and watch intently for instruction. No other single capability is more important in my book than this precaution.

Once windows balks at refusing to reboot, you can't help but to realize just how serious this is to have some dependable recovery method you can turn to with absolute confidence.

[Longboard]

No problem with VM ware: it is after all only a file system and hence can be copied. :)

Ask peter: LOL he installed FDISR into guest OS and was using FDISR inside the VM ware Then was afaicr installing stuff in the FDISR snaps inside the VM ware LOL: infinite spiral :D
Heh: I think we lost him for a while in some other dimension inside his box.
HAd to follow the breadcrumbs out.

Just check the size of the snapshots with the VM before copy/new snapshot: might need a very specific snapshot description: dont get lost. ;)

[Peter2150]

{QUOTE-> How does VMware fair with FD-ISR? Anything of some concern i should be aware of or is does it coexist just fine?

I have to admit i harbor no reservations or fear whatsoever when it comes to malware since i've turned loosed most the most notorious of them for study but when it comes to any backup process program i'm woefully behind the times with any of them. The times that i have spent trying to make backups have been nothing short of a terrible experience for me over time, whether it's my own lack of fully understanding the process or just some incompatibilities, this is where i take a back seat and watch intently for instruction. No other single capability is more important in my book than this precaution.

Once windows balks at refusing to reboot, you can't help but to realize just how serious this is to have some dependable recovery method you can turn to with absolute confidence. <-QUOTE}

Longboard is right. I have VMware Workstation installed in my primary FDISR snapshot. All my Vm machines have FDISR installed on them only to duplicate my actual setup. In a way it really doesn't make sense with VM's snapshot capability. But yes they play well together. Only thing I do is have the actual machines on my 2nd drive, as they are about 24gig in size.

Pete

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE-> How does VMware fair with FD-ISR? Anything of some concern i should be aware of or is does it coexist just fine?

I have to admit i harbor no reservations or fear whatsoever when it comes to malware since i've turned loosed most the most notorious of them for study but when it comes to any backup process program i'm woefully behind the times with any of them. The times that i have spent trying to make backups have been nothing short of a terrible experience for me over time, whether it's my own lack of fully understanding the process or just some incompatibilities, this is where i take a back seat and watch intently for instruction. No other single capability is more important in my book than this precaution.

Once windows balks at refusing to reboot, you can't help but to realize just how serious this is to have some dependable recovery method you can turn to with absolute confidence. <-QUOTE}
Don't know anything about VMware, I'm still polishing my recovery (ATI + FDISR). First things first.
That's how I started : I copy/pasted all my personal data files to an external harddisk and then zeroed my both harddisks.

Then I installed WinXPproSP2 + ATI and created my Rescue CD. Took a backup of harddisk.
Zeroed my harddisk again and restored the image several times on a zeroed harddisk or the installed harddisk, to see if it worked properly.

Then I installed FDISR, took another image and restored it again.
I restored an image without FDISR over an installed harddisk with FDISR, to see if that worked.
I restored an image with FDISR over an installed harddisk without FDISR, to see if that worked.
That's how you learn to trust your backup software and without risks and you can use that experience much later when you really have to recover your harddisk due to some disaster.

I also moved my data to another harddisk/partition in those days, because I wanted my system partition completely INDEPENDENT from my data partition.
My data partition contains nothing but data folders, data files and the profile folders of Firefox/Thunderbird and of course all my downloaded files, including software installation files, but WITHOUT Windows folders or system files.
Whatever happens on my system partition, it won't affect my data partition and I also wanted total freedom on my system partition to PLAY with it.
Meanwhile I took backups of my system and data partition and restored over and over again, just to make sure that everything worked.
I also archived and restored snapshots over and over again and in combination with ATI (backup/restore).

Then I created my off-line snapshot without security/internet softwares to have a quiet environment for work.
Later on I used that snapshot for all kinds of jobs that don't need internet, like defragging, backup and archive, restoration, burning CD/DVD's, copy/updating snapshots, etc.

Then I created my on-line frozen snapshot and that's where I am right now.
I have to protect that on-line snapshot against malware to save the day.
That's still a problem that needs to be solved.
Very soon I will reinstall my system partition, because I want to split my images and archived snapshots in TWO groups : clean and daily.

[EASTER.2010]

{QUOTE-> Then I installed FDISR, took another image and restored it again.
I restored an image without FDISR over an installed harddisk with FDISR, to see if that worked.
I restored an image with FDISR over an installed harddisk without FDISR, to see if that worked.
That's how you learn to trust your backup software and without risks and you can use that experience much later when you really have to recover your harddisk due to some disaster. <-QUOTE}

Hi Eric. Seems you really can be very imaginative with FD-ISR in so many ways that it's mind boggling for a first time user and better yet 101% effective! Simply incredible!

You mentioned "trust" Eric, and thats at the very core of all these computer programs and most of all backup recovery solutions. The user has to experience complete satisfaction and see it for themselves, not just once but over several tries to finally rest on the solid conclusion that this is for real.

I've taken on a whole new respect i think toward backup programs more than ever before now that i seen for myself all the positive results which this program can offer. I've read the posts here of everything from issues to experimental strategies tried and i honestly can't see any other Immediate Recovery as much efficient. Some others might claim they're faster but from what i've gathered FD is plenty fast enough when you take into account how much time & energy can be preserved by depending on FD. The mere fact that updating to your snapshots literally can exhaust but seconds and not just minutes in some cases, is of immense benefit for anyone.

However full disk imaging still eludes my reach for now but only untill a time which that will be remedied also. I trust your judgement and experiences with ATI as much as Peter2150's results with ShadowProtect and i can't wait to set all these pieces into motion and experience that RELIEF factor firsthand myself like so many others before me already. :)

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE-> Hi Eric. Seems you really can be very imaginative with FD-ISR in so many ways that it's mind boggling for a first time user and better yet 101% effective! Simply incredible!
<-QUOTE}
Yes you can do whatever you want with FDISR. FDISR just offers functions and there are only technical rules, which are already controlled by wizards.
It's up to the user HOW to use them and that's why Peter and me have a different set of snapshots. Acadia uses even 16 snapshots.
The classical and recommended method of FDISR itself is : a WORK snapshot and a ROLLBACK snapshot, but you don't have to do it this way. That method is for starters, because they have to begin somewhere and learn how to use FDISR.

[EASTER.2010]

I also read someplace in these sections that Defraggers can make a stir but according to Peter2150 a simple reboot realigns or otherwise recognizes the preboot again. Is this the case and aside from PerfectDisc which other defrags do file placements without conflicting with FD-ISR.

Thnx.

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE-> I also read someplace in these sections that Defraggers can make a stir but according to Peter2150 a simple reboot realigns or otherwise recognizes the preboot again. Is this the case and aside from PerfectDisc which other defrags do file placements without conflicting with FD-ISR.

Thnx. <-QUOTE}
I always used PerfectDisk along with FDISR, I never had any problems with it.
What is so important about defragging anyway ? It just defrags your harddisk, that's all. FDISR has nothing to do with it. Defragging applies to ALL softwares, not just FDISR.
I never noticed any difference before or after defragging.
I try to run PerfectDisk one time a month, but I often forget it. I always run Smartreplacement.
I always run PerfectDisk on demand, never automatically, because that creates errors in the copy/update function of FDISR and that is very logical IMO.

[Peter2150]

Hi Easter

Used to be you had a problem if one of FDISR's files was moved. Then it got so if it did get moved, one reboot fixed it. Now I don't see that it matters. I tested the Ultimate Defragger, which I didn't like, but I didn't set any file exclusions, and it didn't seem to affect FDISR one bit.

Wait til you have to do something like a power reset to your system while a registry cleaner is running. Not pretty, and FDISR fixes it like it never happened.

Where ShadowProtect(or ATI) comes in aside from disk failure, is there are somethings FDISR, or any of the other programs won't recover from. Things like messing with partitions, installing images from other machines, and a whole host of screwy things like that. SP just puts the disk back like it never happened, and FDISR rides thru the whole thing unaffected.

This is also where the VM machine can come into play. At first I was, well scared to death to try some of this crazy stuff. So I tried it first in the VM. VMware's machines disk, acts exactly like a real disk. I got the same messages you'd get when you try this stuff. That why when I did it for real I knew what to expect, and didn't die of fright with some of the messages.

Also the VMware workstation machines, have a snapshot feature unmatched by FDISR,Rollback or any competitors. Once you take a snapshot, you can so trash the disk, oh heck just format it. Then revert back to a snapshot, and your system is there alive and well. That is awesome.

Pete

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE->
This is also where the VM machine can come into play. At first I was, well scared to death to try some of this crazy stuff. So I tried it first in the VM. VMware's machines disk, acts exactly like a real disk. I got the same messages you'd get when you try this stuff. That why when I did it for real I knew what to expect, and didn't die of fright with some of the messages.

Also the VMware workstation machines, have a snapshot feature unmatched by FDISR,Rollback or any competitors. Once you take a snapshot, you can so trash the disk, oh heck just format it. Then revert back to a snapshot, and your system is there alive and well. That is awesome. <-QUOTE}
Quite an expensive scare Peter : VMware Workstation = $189.00 ;D

[lucas1985]

Erik,
You will love virtual machines ;)
Begin with the freebies (VMware Server, VMware Player, VirtualBox, Virtual PC)

[Peter2150]

{QUOTE-> Quite an expensive scare Peter : VMware Workstation = $189.00 ;D <-QUOTE}

Hey its a hobby. Guys that fish spend more then that on a rod or reel. Then there's the hunters.... well you get my drift.

[Acadia]

{QUOTE-> Acadia uses even 16 snapshots. <-QUOTE}
Now the number is 20. ;D

Acadia