AppDefend v1.200 Alpha Public Release

[Jason_R0]

Due to a large amount of emails about the v1.200 alpha I have decided to release it to everyone. There hasn't been any significant bug reports with it, but I still recommend only experienced users try it out. If you use the Jericho firewall you may not want to run this one yet.

http://www.ghostsecurity.com/alpha/gss_setup_1200alpha.exe

-{ Quote: "*NOTES*
-Uninstall your current Ghost Security Suite (make backups of the config files if you want to reuse them) before installing the alpha
-If you run into *ANY* trouble, simply boot into safe mode and uninstall (or remove ghostsec.sys in c:\windows\system32\drivers)
-The driver WILL NOT run in safe mode, without the driver active you will have NO system problems related to GSS/AD
-This has been most extensively tested on Windows XP SP1 and SP2
-Windows 2000/2003 support has not been as well tested, but it should still be fine
-RegDefend has been removed from this Alpha as it is still being worked and tested on. It will be added by the beta, or the next alpha." }-

[rdsu]

Hi Jason,

Nice to see you here again... ;)

I would like to know if you already have improved and add some feature since July?

When can we expect some new news about AD?

Regards

[Hermescomputers]

Hello Jason,

Is it safe for X64 or only for 32 bit iterations of windows?
Virtual Machines of 98SE, 2000, and XP Pro 32 here I come!!!;D

[rdsu]

I can't use it with Comodo Firewall Pro (CFP), because the Application Monitor of CFP doesn't run with AppDefend...

[TheQuest]

Hi, Jason

Glad to see you are OK, and not a Ghost. :o

Will have a play with the "New Beta". :thumb:

Take Care,
TheQuest 8)

[nick s]

-{ Quote: "...If you use the Jericho firewall you may not want to run this one yet." }-If I recall correctly, this build also has an issue with Outpost Pro 4: loss of connectivity resolved only by running OP4 in "Allow Most" or "Disabled" modes. The early SSM 2.2 betas caused a similar problem when combined with OP4.

Nick

[farmerlee]

Not a great start for me. Installed it on my system which is running windows 2003 with nod32 + windows firewall and got the bsod on start up momentarily before the screen went blank. Did a restart and windows loaded up but the screen remains blank.
Will try another install on a clean installation of windows.

[farmerlee]

Still no luck with a clean install of windows 2003 + latest updates and system drivers. Windows starts up and i see the ghosts floating around then bsod which shows,

STOP: c000021a {fatal system error}
The windows logon process system process terminated unexpectedly with a status of 0x00000080 (0x00000000 0x00000000).
The system has been shut down.

Is this release compatible with windows 2003? The last version has been running fine.

[Hermescomputers]

-{ Quote: "Still no luck with a clean install of windows 2003 + latest updates and system drivers. Windows starts up and i see the ghosts floating around then bsod which shows,

STOP: c000021a {fatal system error}
The windows logon process system process terminated unexpectedly with a status of 0x00000080 (0x00000000 0x00000000).
The system has been shut down.

Is this release compatible with windows 2003? The last version has been running fine." }-
Are you running Windows 2003 X64 by any chances? it could be the 64 bit causing the issues if you are.

[VisiThink]

I tried installing and running the Alpha again, but I get the following error when starting the machine:

STOP: C000021a {Fatal System Error}
The Session Manager Initialization system process terminated unexpectedly with a
status of 0xC0000022 (0x00000000 0x00000000).
The system has been shut down.

I am running Windows XP SP2 (32-bit) with all of the latest patches.

I have removed all unnecessary device drivers from the system, but this error continues to be displayed when starting the machine outside of safe mode.

EDIT: Since this error appears to be related to the file system, I do have a commercial disk defragmenter installed. This is the only non-Microsoft file system device driver installed on my machine. I will try disabling the device drivers used by it and see if that helps.

[yankinNcrankin]

Just Installed and all works fine just one gripe, the initial startup of windows is a bit long maybe 5 seconds too long, other than that all is well OS = XP pro service pack 2. :)

[jimmytop]

a) Still no learning mode? ???

b) No network rules? ???

c) Couple of minor bugs:
1) mouseover text over both Allow and Block say "stops the event".
2) Preferences have "Run GSS when Windows starts" De-selected yet it still loads on startup.

d) clicking the X should not close the gui....grrrr. It should just minimize to tray. If you must have it the other way then at least give the other 99% of the people who think otherwise, a choice.

e) Simple but very needed change to the pop-ups:
Instead of one Allow button and one Block button, and three other choices we have to click. Change the pop-up to a one-click nuisance no matter what. How? Easy, have 3 Allow buttons and 3 block buttons. Remove that garbage in the middle.
As cumbersome as this software is to use with all the alerts (and no learning mode) why increase the number of mouse clicks the poor user has to put up with? This is an easy fix.

f) Need a way to import/export rule sets

g) better support of Limited User. But probs with Fast User Switching. As I speak the VM has locked trying to FUS from Limited to Admin account.
Still need different .Defaults for Limited vs Admin. Admin should control how much access Limited user gets, to the point of blocking everything except already allowed.

Since it locked, I'm done for now!

Thanks!

[Hermescomputers]

I tried it in a VM hosting Windows 2000. Works great!
So far only very minor glitches appeared.
I really like the little ghosts floating around the desktop during initial boot. I like the fact it actually loaded before my Firewall drivers kicked in and before just about everything and its quite a bit verbose about what is loading giving controls over even buried initial boot up processes.
There is far more "Details" about Alerts in the Log (Info tab). much better at providing process behavior. However it must be enabled prior in either the .default rule or in the process rule. "allowed" behavior logging is off by default.

Some issues:
1)The controls in the task bar don't work: They show appdefend as "Off" While its obviously working.
2) A blank Warning screen asking for input. but about what? (See Included Picture)
3) Network Rules in Appdefend control panel is empty is it normal at this point?
4) GSS is asking to connect to IP address: 209.59.128.193 and reports then closes. (I did not capture the transaction yet so I cant report on that).
5) RegeDefend is missing in action.(I feel really naked without it)
6)The Info section (Log) appears to not be working (Except for the "System tab" which rendered associated DLL's). until rules are modified.
7)Help File (main menu) is still only a "RegDefend" support document.

Tomorrow I'll try XP 32 or 98SE...

[yankinNcrankin]

Hermescomputers : I get the same exact mystery window that asks for i dont know ? However it seems to load up and bypass it anyways, but seriously it takes my system abit tooo long to load the drivers upon start up and GSS is all the only drivers I got loading up no other programs to bog me down¿; wondering if its the fact that it detects me having 2 CPUs' which really is my hyperthreading which reads as me having 2 CPUs'. After all is loaded and settled it runs perfect on my system no glitches so far so good; and yes this version seems to go deeper it really does prompt all the main OS functions that need to happen before actual boot, csrss.exe, lsass.exe, logonui.exe, system, winlogon.exe, userinit.exe, etc. etc. pretty awesome

[Hermescomputers]

YankinNCrankin:
I agree it is a pretty awesome suite. It was actually impressive in its previous iteration and now its even better. Still needs a lot of work though...

One of the things I like also is when I need to cleanup my managed list of processes its a real undertaking. (I have a lot of stuff running). I like to use the hash check in "Maintenance" to identify the processes being monitored that are deleted. However in the X64 version I cant resize the window making everything all crammed up so its hard to read the name and the path to the process and it doesn't have an id # to link it either so forget using this at length. I usually end up frustrated and try scanning for missing entries by memory.

In this Alpha the redesigned interface is addressing all this nicely. one quick scan and everything is visible. It returns errors for processes that are monitored but no longer on the drive like in the previous version but at least now you can Id them and you can read the full path... Makes it much easier to trace those missing executable in the process manager. The only thing is you cant delete it from there. you still need to go to the main Process manager to do the job. still it's a major improvement in my opinion...

[Hermescomputers]

The only thing I am concerned about is Microsoft is working hard at blocking applications that use Kernel Hooks... the new GSS is using 7 of them. In XP X64 we need to remove a MS Patch to get around this. I am bit curious about what is coming next.

Here is a pic about those kernel hooks. The other hooks relate to an old sygate firewall that used low level hooks that load early . Nice thing is GSS now loads before it actually does...

[tony62]

-{ Quote: "Just Installed and all works fine just one gripe, the initial startup of windows is a bit long maybe 5 seconds too long, other than that all is well OS = XP pro service pack 2. :)" }-
-{ Quote: "
Some issues:
2) A blank Warning screen asking for input. but about what? (See Included Picture)" }-
Manually give 'winlogon.exe' Network access;)

There are a number of bugs already reported, check this thread GSS Alpha 1.2 Feedback (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=140691)

[tony62]

Jason,
AppDefend v1.200 Alpha was released back in July, with a number of bugs already mentioned in this thread: GSS Alpha 1.2 Feedback (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=140691). It would appear to me that there has been very little development since, not even any of the simple GUI bugs which were mentioned have been rectified.
I have found AppDefend v1.200 Alpha unusuable, since it does not correctly prevent execution of applications. I can provide screenshots of such actions if need be.

Is development ongoing and if so could you possibly keep us informed of any progress?

I hope that this public release of Alpha isn't some way of palming us off and keeping us quiet.

[farmerlee]

-{ Quote: "Are you running Windows 2003 X64 by any chances? it could be the 64 bit causing the issues if you are." }-
No its the 32bit enterprise version of windows 2003. I am going to try it on the same computer with a windows xp installation and see how it goes.

[Jason_R0]

-{ Quote: "Jason,
AppDefend v1.200 Alpha was released back in July, with a number of bugs already mentioned in this thread: GSS Alpha 1.2 Feedback (http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=140691). It would appear to me that there has been very little development since, not even any of the simple GUI bugs which were mentioned have been rectified.
I have found AppDefend v1.200 Alpha unusuable, since it does not correctly prevent execution of applications. I can provide screenshots of such actions if need be.

Is development ongoing and if so could you possibly keep us informed of any progress?

I hope that this public release of Alpha isn't some way of palming us off and keeping us quiet." }-

There is no difference between the private and public alpha. The amount of people requesting access to it is the reason I released it. It isn't really a "working product" in the way the last public release was, and I don't think it should be used that way. Work has continued on AD and RD (which now works in the next release from boot), since the last alpha there have been many improvements and new features being developed and tested.

Some of the core of GSS though has been rewritten due to problems displaying the correct information at boot, and other issues which are unacceptable to me and my customers. This is due to to the old display core of GSS relying on Microsoft code (like 99.99% of applications do), so a large chunk of this had to be handwritten. To facilitate a quick and bug free roll out into GSS I have been putting this core work into a new freeware "mostly GUI" application (which allows me to quickly fix bugs and test all capabilities) which will be released very soon (days).

I'll be posting a new thread on this soon in the freeware forum and will be talking about the benefits for GSS there too.

[tony62]

Thank you:)

[vcu]

Thanks so much for the 1.2alpha release to everyone loving GSS.
Unfortunetely, it is not possible to install it on my box, dell DM501/E5050, running windows 2003 sp1 with all patches; PG3.4.100 (full) and GSS1.1beta are uninstalled prior to GSS1.2alpha install.
After reboot, interesting Ghost screen displays at windows login screen and no windows login box shown up; then system reboots itself - set auto reboot when BSOD occurs and I dont have BSOD info shown as sequence.
Finally, it is a must to remove 12.alpha and put all those back to mine.
Any ideas, plz!

* NOTE: DELL system, specific to model DM501/E5050 (intel dual core 820D), there seems issue with Dell' own motherboard and video drivers. This box comes with all the lastest drivers and bios versions from DELL.
It is not possible to install "comodo personal firewall 1.x" on this box - always a rollback is a must at final stage of the install.

[farmerlee]

-{ Quote: "Thanks so much for the 1.2alpha release to everyone loving GSS.
Unfortunetely, it is not possible to install it on my box, dell DM501/E5050, running windows 2003 sp1 with all patches; PG3.4.100 (full) and GSS1.1beta are uninstalled prior to GSS1.2alpha install.
After reboot, interesting Ghost screen displays at windows login screen and no windows login box shown up; then system reboots itself - set auto reboot when BSOD occurs and I dont have BSOD info shown as sequence.
Finally, it is a must to remove 12.alpha and put all those back to mine.
Any ideas, plz!

* NOTE: DELL system, specific to model DM501/E5050 (intel dual core 820D), there seems issue with Dell' own motherboard and video drivers. This box comes with all the lastest drivers and bios versions from DELL.
It is not possible to install "comodo personal firewall 1.x" on this box - always a rollback is a must at final stage of the install." }-
I am running a dell laptop with windows 2003 and i have the same problem that you do, i've tried a few things with no success.

[siliconman01]

-{ Quote: "To facilitate a quick and bug free roll out into GSS I have been putting this core work into a new freeware "mostly GUI" application (which allows me to quickly fix bugs and test all capabilities) which will be released very soon (days)." }-

As a licensed user of both RegDefend and AppDefend, I'm really looking forward to the impending new release. It's been a long haul on beta V1.110 of GSS. I'll probably trash "the other guy" once this new release is out and running satisfactorily. ;)

[SystemJunkie]

-{ Quote: "I can't use it with Comodo Firewall Pro (CFP), because the Application Monitor of CFP doesn't run with AppDefend..." }-

Yep Comodo shows real problems and seems to disable itself when problems occuring, not very intelligent, it would be more safe when blue screen would appear to prevent connecting in unsecured condition the internet.

GSS 1.2 Bugs I found: winlogon screen: User Logon password inputbox appears despite the fact that I have no user password created. That leads to impossibility logging into windows xp, forced to start in safe mode.

Sometimes the Question Form can´t be shut during winlogon procedure.

Gss is still not able to prevent csrss.exe from shutting down ptdirect.exe.
It is a system specific problem that power translator is always killed by csrss.exe on my system, only tool actually that is able to partially block this process is winpooch, gss 1.2 alpha still not capable to prevent ptdirect csrss.exe kill, neither a warning box appears nor any other hint. Ptdirect.exe is simply killed without notifying user.

[Jason_R0]

The Windows 2003 problems are to do with the new secure and compact injection method for talking and interacting with the user. There are some slight differences needed between 2000, XP and 2003.

The problems with the GUI stuff not working 100% always is why I had to redesign that aspect, quite random and I could find no work around to some of the problems besides not using the MS code. When you work so early from boot you can't really rely on the documented GUI approach.

[farmerlee]

-{ Quote: "The Windows 2003 problems are to do with the new secure and compact injection method for talking and interacting with the user. There are some slight differences needed between 2000, XP and 2003.

The problems with the GUI stuff not working 100% always is why I had to redesign that aspect, quite random and I could find no work around to some of the problems besides not using the MS code. When you work so early from boot you can't really rely on the documented GUI approach." }-

So does this mean it will never be compatible with windows 2003? Or just not at this point in time?

[Jason_R0]

-{ Quote: "So does this mean it will never be compatible with windows 2003? Or just not at this point in time?" }-

It should be fixed. I pretty much know where the problem is because I ran into a similar problem with XP (and it still occurs on a very small number of XP boxes), so it will be fixed for sure.

[farmerlee]

-{ Quote: "It should be fixed. I pretty much know where the problem is because I ran into a similar problem with XP (and it still occurs on a very small number of XP boxes), so it will be fixed for sure." }-
Excellent, i was hoping i wouldn't have to return to using xp.

[siliconman01]

on 22-December-06
-{ Quote: "Some of the core of GSS though has been rewritten due to problems displaying the correct information at boot, and other issues which are unacceptable to me and my customers. This is due to to the old display core of GSS relying on Microsoft code (like 99.99% of applications do), so a large chunk of this had to be handwritten. To facilitate a quick and bug free roll out into GSS I have been putting this core work into a new freeware "mostly GUI" application (which allows me to quickly fix bugs and test all capabilities) which will be released very soon (days)." }-

"(days)" has turned to weeks and now a month.

[rdsu]

-{ Quote: "..."(days)" has turned to weeks and now a month." }-
This is the problem with this program... :(

It's my favorite HIPS, but this...

[Hermescomputers]

-{ Quote: "This is the problem with this program... :(

It's my favorite HIPS, but this..." }-

Of all the truly "Necessary applications" one needs over and above the operating system this is probably a 9.9 on a scale of 1-10. Even though this is true this has to be one of the most neglected type of technology ever created for system security...

This is a serious software technology that does require serious investment both in the capitalization and development aspects.

Perhaps verbal and written encouragement are not backed up by the necessary capital rewards to make it worth serious efforts.::)

[rdsu]

I agree with you, but if we have more feedback from Jason...

[Hermescomputers]

-{ Quote: "I agree with you, but if we have more feedback from Jason..." }-

I think this is just it. He needs some partners to create and improve this on a timely scale. Perhaps being a one man show is no longer the best policy for him since he will more than likely end up waisting the incredible opportunity he has in such a remarkable product... Momentum does count a great deal in anythings success.

This is a great product that requires a tremendous amount of care and dedication to properly complete. This is an enormous task considering the complexity and scope of capabilities...

I think the guy needs some seriously qualified help before it's too late and some other outfit out paces and outfoxes him...

I would hate to see this product "Ready" but too late...:isay:

[Paranoid2000]

-{ Quote: "I think the guy needs some seriously qualified help before it's too late..." }-I presume you meant "help" in a technical fashion, rather than the more typical meaning? ;)

I'd agree that communication is a problem - if Jason can't spare the time for a weekly update perhaps he should nominate someone else to do this for him? (one of his private testers perhaps).

[Hermescomputers]

-{ Quote: "I presume you meant "help" in a technical fashion, rather than the more typical meaning? ;)

I'd agree that communication is a problem - if Jason can't spare the time for a weekly update perhaps he should nominate someone else to do this for him? (one of his private testers perhaps)." }-

Ha... Not everyone is sleeping at the wheel!;D I meant software Engineers and the likes...

[topmoxie]

So this alpha release any good

[farmerlee]

-{ Quote: "So this alpha release any good" }-
Yeah i'm quite impressed with the improvements over the last version . I've had it running on my desktop with win2000 for quite a while now with no problems. Yes it does have some bugs but nothng major from my experience. My only gripe is i cannot use regdefend alongside it yet.

[topmoxie]

Do our key codes work in this

[Jason_R0]

-{ Quote: "Do our key codes work in this" }-

Yes they should work fine as no changes have occurred. There have also been some changes to the way serials are entered which should provide less problems to the user as it is more forgiving now (ie spaces and other white noise when copying/pasting).

[Espresso]

I installed the alpha on 2003 Server and it bluescreened on reboot. (bluescreen only flashed for a second before it rebooted)

[farmerlee]

-{ Quote: "I installed the alpha on 2003 Server and it bluescreened on reboot. (bluescreen only flashed for a second before it rebooted)" }-
Yeah i had the same problem a while ago, if you look up the page jason explains why. As yet it doesn't work but hopefully the next release will.

[buffet]

-{ Quote: "I installed the alpha on 2003 Server and it bluescreened on reboot. (bluescreen only flashed for a second before it rebooted)" }-
The same reboot BSOD sympton!
It wont work on my win2k3 server and winxp media center 2005 box of Dell DM501, and not working on winxp prof box of DELL E521C; it seems recent built DELL boxes have drivers issues with this alpha version.
I have to go back to beta version or Proceessguard registered version.

[SystemJunkie]

-{ Quote: "I really like the little ghosts floating around the desktop during initial boot. I like the fact it actually loaded before my Firewall drivers kicked in and before just about everything
" }-
Yes I agree totally.

-{ Quote: "I have found AppDefend v1.200 Alpha unusuable, since it does not correctly prevent execution of applications." }-
Damn, thats a real problem Ghost Security Alpha is a real Ghost when it comes to prevent anything from doing anything, Ghost Alpha is a Ghost in Security :D :D :D

-{ Quote: "2) A blank Warning screen asking for input. but about what? (See Included Picture)" }-
Have this phenomenon too on my logon screen.

-{ Quote: "5) RegeDefend is missing in action.(I feel really naked without it)" }- Indeed.

-{ Quote: "Momentum does count a great deal in anythings success." }-
Oh Yes, absolutely.

[topmoxie]

Ok I dont understand Ghost Security is not a firewall so why does it get tested with them, well here it is, more results and awards.

http://www.firewallleaktester.com/reward_stats.htm

[farmerlee]

-{ Quote: "Ok I dont understand Ghost Security is not a firewall so why does it get tested with them, well here it is, more results and awards.

http://www.firewallleaktester.com/reward_stats.htm" }-
Well...it does have outbound protection like ssm and ssm calls that feature a basic network firewall.

[SystemJunkie]

-{ Quote: "Well...it does have outbound protection like ssm and ssm calls that feature a basic network firewall." }-

Yes the network firewall is one thing that works in Alpha and it even shuts System 445 Port! Wow, how does that work?

[Paranoid2000]

-{ Quote: "Ok I dont understand Ghost Security is not a firewall so why does it get tested with them..." }-Most of the latest leaktests work by hijacking or manipulating processes so "system firewall" software like AppDefend, SSM and ProcessGuard can deal with them, in many ways better than most firewalls.

[buffet]

we can not get AppDefend 1.200Alpha version to work on Dell boxes. At first time of installation, after the first reboot, a series of AD popups came and all were well done. All next reboot/start (after a turndown), the box came with BSOD in a fraction of second and loop of restart & BSOD. I had to boot the box into safemode to uninstall AD to have system to work properly.
The dell box :
-{ Quote: "
Dual cord intel 820D
Nvidia 7300LE PCIE 16x
2GB ram DDR2
winxp sp2, windows media center 2005, windows 2003 enterprise srv.
kaspersky internet security 6.0.2.261
Spyware Dr. 5
" }-
AD1.100beta works well.

Please hlp.

[Jason_R0]

-{ Quote: "we can not get AppDefend 1.200Alpha version to work on Dell boxes. At first time of installation, after the first reboot, a series of AD popups came and all were well done. All next reboot/start (after a turndown), the box came with BSOD in a fraction of second and loop of restart & BSOD. I had to boot the box into safemode to uninstall AD to have system to work properly.
The dell box :

AD1.100beta works well.

Please hlp." }-

Would it be possible for you to test it without any other HIPS software if you have them installed? It sounds like there may be a rule you added which your system doesn't like too much either. Did you click BLOCK to any of them?

[SystemJunkie]

hi Jason, I reinstalled WinXP Pro and GSS 1.2 a seems to be incompatible with Safe´n´Sec. I uninstalled safe´n´sec, but GSS still hangs at winlogon, logon screen is empty, no user to see. Must start in safe mode to uninstall GSS 1.2 a.

[Hermescomputers]

Jason,

Any update on your time table for the next release or should keep holding our breath?

I'm feeling like i'm turning a little bit blue! :)

[SystemJunkie]

Actually (I call it) the persistent shadow rootkit (stackwalker <unknown>) killed all rules and blocked gss 1.2 a from working. Pity, for a while it could enforce the resistance by blocking 445 port and the sequence before winlogon was cool too. But Game is actually lost. Hopefully a new test version will come out soon.

[Optimist]

Does anybody really still seriously think that we will get a new version (no beta version) in foreseeable future? After all, I am already 57 years old !!! ;D

[Hermescomputers]

Optimist... You probably wont have to many hairs left by the time this thing gives birth to its next iteration... :blink:

[Hermescomputers]

-{ Quote: "Jason,

Any update on your time table for the next release or should we keep on holding our breath?

I'm feeling like i'm turning a little bit blue! :)" }-

Besides Vista is perfect and no one needs any xtra security!... cough..cough...:thumbd:

[SystemJunkie]

-{ Quote: "Does anybody really still seriously think that we will get a new version (no beta version) in foreseeable future? After all, I am already 57 years old !!! " }-

Lol, use meanwhile Comodo Pro 1 Alpha. It´s the best what you can get actually related to security.

Beside: I wonder how long Zone Alarm will need until they find a strategy against screenshot exploits.. and several keyhooks. Not to speak about fwbypasses, two days ago I could witness that zone alarm has 0 protection, I surfed with no probs, while I locked and blocked internet access with zone alarm, lol.

[Pedro]

Common, it's an Alpha version, and you only raise Jason's anxiety by posting that. :-\

[Hermescomputers]

Face it... Jason dropped the ball so long ago you cant even ear it bounce anymore... Besides he's more interested in creating a useless shell than working on the important things like the security tools that made him famous... Nice distraction from the reality of having difficulties coding this thing but hey... it's nowhere to be found! Any product worth it's salt has a development time table or at least some sort of a plan of action. Jason's left us hanging for how long? Now I'm beginning to count it in years... I got all his product off my computers because of the insecurity this creates...

He wont even let "us" know what's up and we are his greatest supporters... Not anymore. I have recommended his things for several years now... Yet I have no idea what is going on with any of it... it's allover the place. I don't want to discourage Jason but he needs to get us up to speed or loose some of our support.

[SystemJunkie]

-{ Quote: "Besides he's more interested in creating a useless shell than working on the important things like the security tools that made him famous... Nice distraction from the reality of having difficulties coding this thing but hey.." }-

Lol, no no its not useless, it is very intelligent from him to create this shell, let him do that in peace. It´s a very good and unique project this ghostshell.

[berng]

Not for us.

We were waiting for Regdefend and Appdefend to be completed. Its a real downer to find out he's been taking time instead to play with this new toy.

And I don't want to hear he wrote this to increase productivity on AD and RD development. In January, he wrote that he's almost ready - just wait just a few weeks more.

You don't hold up a project that is almost done to start something new. This is a distraction from reality.

[Don Pelotas]

-{ Quote: "Lol, no no its not useless, it is very intelligent from him to create this shell, let him do that in peace. It´s a very good and unique project this ghostshell." }-
It may be unique and help the development, but you preaching to customers who in some cases bought reg/appdefend 1½ year ago without having seen even a release candidate yet, so even if i have a pretty idea why it is not released yet..................it does send a message that this is not really something taken particularly serious on Jason's part and that it looks from the outside that he is now playing around with a new toy/idea more interesting to him.

What makes the Ghostshell a unique & intelligent thing to do instead of finishing the suite which paying customers have been waiting for a very long time?

I'm not bashing you or even Jason, just interested your opinion :) ........because i have personally written off my Ghost security investment some time ago and are at peace with that & the conviction that it will never be released (just my personal opinion!!), that way i have a nice surprise if it does infact get released!! ;) :D

[Optimist]

-{ Quote: "It may
........because i have personally written off my Ghost security investment some time ago and are at peace with that & the conviction that it will never be released (just my personal opinion!!), :D" }-

This is presumably a very realistic description of the situation!

[SystemJunkie]

-{ Quote: "We were waiting for Regdefend and Appdefend to be completed. Its a real downer to find out he's been taking time instead to play with this new toy.

You don't hold up a project that is almost done to start something new. This is a distraction from reality." }-

What is reality? Think deep. Do you think it is that what you see? Or the whole sum of your 5 or 6 senses? Always a matter of definition.

-{ Quote: "o play with this new toy." }-

To play is a good way for progression. Without joy and fun you make heavy marches through hell while endless times.. all night long, don´t see daylight
anymore.. and then no joy, uhh, that is a hard thing. The key is having joy while coding, giving motivation for more, shifting boundaries, breaking borders, stepping outside the matrix of your reality, coming into flow, that is divine touch, following your inner voice to the max.

-{ Quote: "What makes the Ghostshell a unique & intelligent thing to do instead of finishing the suite which paying customers have been waiting for a very long time?" }-

I already said, Explorer.exe is one of the biggest weakpoints in windows, if replacing it with adequate bugfree material you´ll make big steps ahead.

-{ Quote: "It may be unique and help the development, but you preaching to customers who in some cases bought reg/appdefend 1½ year ago without having seen even a release candidate yet," }-

From this point of view it is really sad, but what kind of people buy beta software?

[Optimist]

-{ Quote: "
From this point of view it is really sad, but what kind of people buy beta software?" }-


Better question: What kind of people sell beta software!

[berng]

-{ Quote: "What is reality? Think deep. Do you think it is that what you see? Or the whole sum of your 5 or 6 senses? Always a matter of definition.

From this point of view it is really sad, but what kind of people buy beta software?" }-

I don't understand your reality response.

People bought Jason's beta software because it was very good software better than most initial release software from other vendors. They also bought based on Jason's "can-do" reputation from the Wilder's forum comments and feedback. It was also nice supporting a developer who had the potential to finalize what could have been a great product.

So you think systemjunkie, that whoever bought Jason's product is stupid?

[controler]

I bought Appdefend way back also but have not used it for at least two years.
I installed this new version and wow it is nothing like the old version.
What I wonder about it the thousand pop-ups I got when rebooting. At first i just clicked the allow over and over, then I started clicking allow always LOL
Who is ever going to go through all that to install a program besides people like us here @ Wilders? ???
Or did I miss somce critical point during install?
To me the GUI seems harder to navigate then the old version.

[berng]

-{ Quote: "I bought Appdefend way back also but have not used it for at least two years.
I installed this new version and wow it is nothing like the old version.
What I wonder about it the thousand pop-ups I got when rebooting. At first i just clicked the allow over and over, then I started clicking allow always LOL
Who is ever going to go through all that to install a program besides people like us here @ Wilders? ???
Or did I miss somce critical point during install?
To me the GUI seems harder to navigate then the old version." }-

You didn't miss anything. There were complaints about the numerous popups which should have been resolved. Rather self-defeating. Too many, so you're really forced to ignore them.

[SystemJunkie]

-{ Quote: "
Better question: What kind of people sell beta software!" }-
This is true!

-{ Quote: "So you think systemjunkie, that whoever bought Jason's product is stupid?" }-
No naturally not, but their action was too rash.

-{ Quote: "here were complaints about the numerous popups which should have been resolved." }-
As I said, the one will become famous and glorious who will be able to act and beating the matrix from within, from the inside and not trying to prevent the matrix (from the outside) with million popups where error rate will rise proportional to duration someone is installing new software.

Not Pre-Vention, "Post-Vention". I mean prevention is a good try but "postvention" would be the ultimate thing.

[berng]

-{ Quote: "
No naturally not, but their action was too rash.

" }-

In retrospect, rash is right. A learning experience. This will hurt others who try to develop.

[gottadoit]

I wouldn't write Jason off yet, obviously being late hasn't helped him and the way it was communicated could have been better
However that doesn't mean that he has stopped developing and I am still expecting to see updates

[Don Pelotas]

-{ Quote: "I wouldn't write Jason off yet, obviously being late hasn't helped him and the way it was communicated wasn't particularly good (from my point of view)" }-
Why not, we haven't even got started on the DiamondCS comparisons yet! :o ;)

[gottadoit]

-{ Quote: "Why not, we haven't even got started on the DiamondCS comparisons yet! :o ;)" }-Don,
Whilst that might be a bit of fun, Wayne did provide a good service to the security community for quite a while (via DCS) its a pity that whatever happened came to pass. Like most other people here I still don't know what is actually happening with DCS

Jason is in a different situation, he doesn't have a well established company with a lot of sales and several staff and until he releases the next (and subsequent) updates anything we might think is just speculation.

[Don Pelotas]

-{ Quote: "Don,
Whilst that might be a bit of fun, Wayne did provide a good service to the security community for quite a while (via DCS) its a pity that whatever happened came to pass. Like most other people here I still don't know what is actually happening with DCS

Jason is in a different situation, he doesn't have a well established company with a lot of sales and several staff and until he releases the next (and subsequent) updates anything we might think is just speculation." }-
..............which was all it was, allthough i realize it was a bit silly to make the comment. :)

Yes, it is all speculation and i do get what you're saying "between the lines", so i will leave the speculation/discussion on this subject.

Regarding being stupid/rash about buying the Ghost security suite, i don't see it like that, i bought it to support a small vendor and because i thought it looked to have potential and i'm very much at ease regarding this whether it will be released or not because it was my decision (& no one else made it) at the time.

Lets hope it does get released and sales pick up. :)