More AntiVir Updates!

[QBgreen]

Yes folks, more major component updates for all AntiVir products. :o Again, check their forums for details.

[DaveD]

{QUOTE-> Yes folks, more major component updates for all AntiVir products. :o Again, check their forums for details. <-QUOTE}

I just tried a manual update with the PE Classic version and there were no updates available. It took just under 2 minutes to even connect to the server.

Can anybody confirm if these new updates are expected to fix the tray icon issue?

I would go to their forum, but I searched Google and found several AntiVir forums and have no idea which is actually official.

[shek]

the tray icon seems to be fixed at least for me.

Take a look at here (http://forum.avira.com/thread.php?threadid=16120&sid=414930c3b807d8189c1d9e47ba468ee8)

[Jarmo P]

My ailing computer is not very happy with lates updates, past week.
I got the update last friday 6.37.00.19, then i tried another update and in the midst of this I got a reboot. So no other update for me PE Classic that day.
Even though they were reported in this site:
http://www.avira.com/en/threats/section/vdfhistory/index.html

Today, monday I got the automatic update 6.37.00.28.
No idea if the other incremental updates ever arrived in the same package, though it was pretty large.

Then just before posting here, I tried another '"Start update". My kerio 2.1.5 told some Antivirus program had changed in the middle of the arriving update. So I went to give password to accept the change, but a reboot again before i could type it and accept the new updated rule..
It tells me I have now 6.37.00.33.

I find it bad that program updates cause me reboots when trying to update the antivirus database. Maybe something with running Cyberhawk sametime, who knows. I just don'¨t feel very safe now with my new Antivirus instead what i was with Avast. How know to if all incremental updates in between are applied etc. ?

EDIT
My umbrella icon has been working ok though past week.

[shek]

{QUOTE-> How know to if all incremental updates in between are applied etc. ?
<-QUOTE}

http://www.avira.com/en/threats/section/vdfhistory/index.html and 6.37.00.33 are the latest vdf.

[Jarmo P]

Yes, but it is an incremental update.
Is there some mechanism to also update the in between ones. To bne sure they are I mean?
Plus my kerio still has not updated the md5 change that happened with the reboot. It happened in the midst of that update ??? If one gets reboots in the update, how can one be ever sure?

[shek]

the incremental update is only for virus definition. Components updates, if available, usually come with vdf update. If you could get the latest vdf, then you're up to date.

yes, today's update includes several component updates, which requires a reboot. But they are avscan.exe and avwinll.dll, not the update.exe. Therefore, there is no need to change md5 for the update component.

[Jarmo P]

So far I have update.exe, avnotify.exe, avcenter.exe and avgnt.exe that all have asked for internet access.
And then this updated one amongst them I was not able to type a password to add a changed rule allowance.
Agreed, some of them might have only ask for localhost access and not internet access in itself and I have disabled my global loopback rule.

[shek]

I only allow update.exe for the internet access in addition to the local access.

[Jarmo P]

Mine are update.exe and avnotify.exe.
The other 2 are on localhost (127.0.0.1) So I guess one of them changed and all should be ok :P

That brings also to my mind that one should allow global ocalhost loopback rule, since when those applications using it changes, it brings just added bother.

[pilotart]

Last Tuesday's 'Build 217' Update requested a reboot, the third time this year. When I see a 'Reboot Request, I put it aside and first close other applications befroe [Ok] to ReBoot.

My ZoneAlarm made the requests for the two changed files following that ReBoot.

Todays second Update also wanted a reboot which looked good until My Computer "Explorer" froze. (No clue why???)

Three cold boots 10+ minutes each, two successful and a Safe boot with AV Scan (nothing found) and all is finally well now with the booting. Another Update and now the icon is gone and that never happened before.. Explorer works fine and a click on avgnt.exe restored the icon.

[FRug]

Jarmo: there is no such thing like "missing an update" in between. As soon as you do update, you get all the changes. Anything else would be stupid.

[DaveD]

{QUOTE-> the tray icon seems to be fixed at least for me.

Take a look at here (http://forum.avira.com/thread.php?threadid=16120&sid=414930c3b807d8189c1d9e47ba468ee8) <-QUOTE}

I beg to differ, I've just done a clean install of the whole system.
AntiVir did the first big update successfully.
Then, with a tiny signature update it was killed once again.

Not to mention the fact that avguard.exe is running at 29MB now which is different from what I am accustomed to seeing from that process.

Does anybody know if I am still protected when the tray icon is gone?

[C.S.J]

{QUOTE-> I beg to differ, I've just done a clean install of the whole system.
AntiVir did the first big update successfully.
Then, with a tiny signature update it was killed once again.

Not to mention the fact that avguard.exe is running at 29MB now which is different from what I am accustomed to seeing from that process.

Does anybody know if I am still protected when the tray icon is gone? <-QUOTE}

lots and lots of problem with antivir at the moment, the number of threads with problems are terrible,

but i think eicar.com will show you if it is still running.

[DaveD]

{QUOTE-> but i think eicar.com will show you if it is still running. <-QUOTE}

Yes, that did work. Thank you for the suggestion. Hopefully they get everything straightened out soon, I'm confident that they will.

[Blackcat]

{QUOTE-> I beg to differ, with a tiny signature update it was killed once again. <-QUOTE}
Same here. With a 1 file update to-day, I lost the tray icon for the first time ever!
{QUOTE-> Not to mention the fact that avguard.exe is running at 29MB now which is different from what I am accustomed to seeing from that process. Does anybody know if I am still protected when the tray icon is gone? <-QUOTE}
Just check Task Manager; avguard.exe is still running; 46MB here with WinXP.

[dw2108]

Same problems here, sorry to say. Anyone beginning to lose a bit of confidence in AntiVir/Avira? Even though this av app recognizes the test file after "odd" updates, could tere be something that it is missing?

Dave

[Blackcat]

{QUOTE-> Same problems here, sorry to say. Anyone beginning to lose a bit of confidence in AntiVir/Avira?
Dave <-QUOTE}
Not yet. My tray icon came back after a reboot and there would have to be persistent problems over a period of time for me to consider dropping this AV. One missed tray icon in over 6 months of use is no cause for concern here.

[dw2108]

You're right, Blackcat. I do have a shortcut to my tray icon, and perhaps I should calm down and use it.

Dave

[trjam]

{QUOTE-> You're right, Blackcat. I do have a shortcut to my tray icon, and perhaps I should calm down and use it.

Dave <-QUOTE}
You will be fine.

[MalwareDie]

i think it is reidiculous that people will ditch AntiVir just becasue the tray icon is missing. Just use the shortcut on your desktop or the one in program files. Then you can check it it is running. I really do not have any doubts with Avira. My icon disappears randomly every several months, not during major updates (don't know why) but the guard is still runnning. and I have no trouble updating during major updates unlike others.

[C.S.J]

{QUOTE-> i think it is reidiculous that people will ditch AntiVir just becasue the tray icon is missing. Just use the shortcut on your desktop or the one in program files. Then you can check it it is running. I really do not have any doubts with Avira. My icon disappears randomly every several months, not during major updates (don't know why) but the guard is still runnning. and I have no trouble updating during major updates unlike others. <-QUOTE}
i dissagree, the icon to most people will be a warning that not all components are running, if it dissappears, i suspect loads will reboot their machine trying to get it loaded again.

whether its running or not, you still want the icon there... i understand its not needed as its still running in the background, but most people wont know if it is, people panic... its a panic-world. :blink:

[RejZoR]

So if you loose 1 wheel on car it's ok because you still have 3 ?
If program doesn't work as expected, thats a bad sign. It's not about how easy is to make a shortcut for it and how it doesn't bother you. Program was not meant to do that and should be fixed.

[C.S.J]

{QUOTE-> So if you loose 1 wheel on car it's ok because you still have 3 ?
If program doesn't work as expected, thats a bad sign. It's not about how easy is to make a shortcut for it and how it doesn't bother you. Program was not meant to do that and should be fixed. <-QUOTE}
no, but you cant say the icon not being there is a good thing.

just because YOU know its still running, doesnt mean the other 15 million people do, or however many.

[MalwareDie]

I still do not see why people cannot tell if something is running. Even when i was first introduced to computers I could tell if my antivirus was running or not.

[lucas1985]

{QUOTE-> So if you loose 1 wheel on car it's ok because you still have 3 ?
If program doesn't work as expected, thats a bad sign. It's not about how easy is to make a shortcut for it and how it doesn't bother you. Program was not meant to do that and should be fixed. <-QUOTE}
A better analogy would be: if the turn lights are broken it´s OK because you still can turn

[C.S.J]

{QUOTE-> A better analogy would be: if the turn lights are broken it´s OK because you still can turn <-QUOTE}
or a better one would be, "if something is broke, fix it" something which antivir fail to do time and time again.

[Londonbeat]

{QUOTE-> "if something is broke, fix it" something which antivir fail to do time and time again. <-QUOTE}

They've certainly been busy 'fixing' their scanning engine; at the moment it's arguably the best in the industry, taking into account scanning speed, detection and powerful heuristics coupled with low false positives. Hopefully they'll fix these recent problems as soon as they say they will, for a freebie it's an excellent piece of software.

Londonbeat

[C.S.J]

{QUOTE-> They've certainly been busy 'fixing' their scanning engine; at the moment it's arguably the best in the industry, taking into account scanning speed, detection and powerful heuristics coupled with low false positives. Hopefully they'll fix these recent problems as soon as they say they will, for a freebie it's an excellent piece of software.

Londonbeat <-QUOTE}
ill agree with that for sure,about their engine (Although,scan speeds were not as good on my machine as av-comp said, panda was by miles a faster scan speed)

[QBgreen]

Per the troubles as of late, What AV hasn't had issues? Not trying to sound like a fanboy, but any company that can achieve what Avira has achieved with AntiVir in 2006 will be "on it". The competition as we all know is several layers above fierce!

[lodore]

well lets see nod32 sometimes has update issues
antivir has update issues sometimes as pointed out in this thread.
kaspersky had a few update issues corrupting the bases.
so it can happern to any vendor!
lodore

[JerryM]

{QUOTE-> well lets see nod32 sometimes has update issues
antivir has update issues sometimes as pointed out in this thread.
kaspersky had a few update issues corrupting the bases.
so it can happern to any vendor!
lodore <-QUOTE}

True, Lodore, but Avira does not seem to be able to fix it. The problems some of us have mentioned have gone on for weeks and months. That is not the case with other AVs in my experience.

Just look on the Avira forums, and see that tray icon, guard not starting, and updates are ongoing problems. Despite any statement that they are fixed, the posts do not bear that out.

Both you and I liked Avira. It is light, effective, and the price is right. But there is a limit to how much I am willing to fool with trying to correct problems on an AV when there are so many that don't give me trouble. One is F-Secure.;D I wonder why I mentioned that particular one?????? ;D ;D

Best,
Jerry

[lodore]

@jerry,
i do agree that they should of fixed those problems.
i havent had any problems with kaspersky eiether.
well the proactive defense malfunctioned today but I rebooted and went back to normal.
but other than that problem kaspersky has been working great.
I liked the 2005 version of f-secure but the 2006 version was to heavy.
the 2007 version was lighter but still slow and I hated the HIPS module.
but i worked out the other day on my nextdoor neighbours first laptop which is a core duo 2.0ghz and it had the bloated macaffe 2005 version and once i removed all the Google software it was fine and fast.
so i think i didnt notice that f-secure was bloated intill my pc got older.
at first my pc was mega fast because it was new now its 2 years old.
what is the spec of my laptop?
lodore