PC-cillin Internet Security - anyone tried it ?

[tahoma]

i wonder if its worth getting..
i used the old version 1-2 years ago and i seem to remember there was a feature that can block activex on a per site basis (like outpost can). this is a very important feature for me. is it still there ?

i also wonder if the incompability with outpost is still there (bluescreens) and if the included firewall is any good.
email scanning?

and last but not least ,is it a good AV/AT ??

in currently using outpost 2 pro + drweb+thebat (with kav and drweb plugins) + kav as backup scanner

any input would be appreciated. im very happy with my current setup, but im a sucker for trying new software

[JimIT]

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i wonder if its worth getting..
i used the old version 1-2 years ago and i seem to remember there was a feature that can block activex on a per site basis (like outpost can). this is a very important feature for me. is it still there ?" }-

I think that's the WebTrap feature? I didn't like that feature in 2002, because it caused problems on my machine. I tested the beta for about a week, and I liked it, however I couldn't find a way to not install the firewall. (Which is much improved, btw.)

Update functionality works a lot better than the 2002 version, also, but as regards the interface, etc.--it's very similar to the last few "issues" of PCC.

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and last but not least ,is it a good AV/AT ??" }-

AV? Yes, very good, IMO. AT? Fair. I definitely would have a dedicated AT running next to any AV--but YMMV.

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any input would be appreciated. im very happy with my current setup, but im a sucker for trying new software
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Ain't it cool? ;)

I liked TIS okay. I'll probably renew the license on the box I run PCC on when it expires.

[bigc73542]

I installed it yesterday and it seems to work very smoothly on my xp box. I have tested the fire wall at all the sites I know of and as long as you set security at medium or higher it is a full stealth firewall. I really like it so far I just hope it is as good as I would like it to be. I can't tell yet how well the spyware and spam sections work yet, but I am going to keep an eye on it.If I find any real defiencies I will post it for those members that have any interest in this program. :) And it does scan pop3 and web mail msn,yahoo and so on. They still have the discount for upgrading to trend micro internet security.

[nameless]

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AV? Yes, very good, IMO. AT? Fair. I definitely would have a dedicated AT running next to any AV--but YMMV." }-

An honest question (read: NOT a challenge!): How do you know this? I tested PC-cillin 2002 against several live trojan samples, and it caught all of them. That doesn't mean it's the best AT detector, but it did inspire some confidence in me (especially since another product I tried with the same samples missed almost all of them).

I have long thought that PC-cillin was a very good trojan detector, mainly due to reviews at sites like HackFix (http://www.hackfix.org/), and from my own somewhat measly testing. I've also assumed that it hasn't gotten any worse with successive product updates. But since most of us rely on blind faith, I am asking you how you arrived at your own conclusion.

[JimIT]

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-{ Quote: "and last but not least ,is it a good AV/AT ??" }-
AV? Yes, very good, IMO. AT? Fair. I definitely would have a dedicated AT running next to any AV--but YMMV." }-

An honest question (read: NOT a challenge!): How do you know this? I tested PC-cillin 2002 against several live trojan samples, and it caught all of them. That doesn't mean it's the best AT detector, but it did inspire some confidence in me (especially since another product I tried with the same samples missed almost all of them). But since most of us rely on blind faith, I am asking you how you arrived at your own conclusion.
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Fair question! ;) I arrived at that conclusion by watching PCC 2002 (and NAV, as well) against a runtime-packed trojan, which it blissfully let load into the operating memory of my computer without emitting a peep.

The trojan merrily hummed away until BoClean hammered it moments later. ;)

For the record: I like PCC very much. Use it on my 98 box here. ;)

[nameless]

Thanks for that answer! I run BOClean as well, and now I'm even more happy that I do! ;)

[JimIT]

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Thanks for that answer! I run BOClean as well, and now I'm even more happy that I do! ;)
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You won't be sorry! ;)

[André Klaver]

I'm satisfied about PCC. Also got very adequate help from their technical supportteam when some update bug occurred.

[bigc73542]

I have been useing trend micro internet security for a week now and I am very satisifed in the way it performes.All the modules that are part of this suite seem to work well. I am compleatly satisifed with the firewall. This program does not seem to a drag on my system at all. Some other av's are a little system hungry, I am glad this one is not. :)

[nameless]

How is the PCC firewall? Does it (finally) allow for outbound control? Component level or just application level? Is it pretty configurable overall?

[bigc73542]

I will post this screen shot and you can get a little idea of some of the settings. I like it in one respect that it was very easy to get a full stealth grade every where that I have tested it.

[Randy_Bell]

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-{ Quote: "and last but not least ,is it a good AV/AT ??" }-
AV? Yes, very good, IMO. AT? Fair. I definitely would have a dedicated AT running next to any AV--but YMMV." }-

An honest question (read: NOT a challenge!): How do you know this? I tested PC-cillin 2002 against several live trojan samples, and it caught all of them. That doesn't mean it's the best AT detector, but it did inspire some confidence in me (especially since another product I tried with the same samples missed almost all of them). But since most of us rely on blind faith, I am asking you how you arrived at your own conclusion.
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Fair question! ;) I arrived at that conclusion by watching PCC 2002 (and NAV, as well) against a runtime-packed trojan, which it blissfully let load into the operating memory of my computer without emitting a peep.

The trojan merrily hummed away until BoClean hammered it moments later. ;)

For the record: I like PCC very much. Use it on my 98 box here. ;)
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NAV 2004 has unpackers now; I suspect the newest releases of PCC will too. So if you tested the newest releases of NAV and PCC against this runtime packed malware, you might get different results.

[Graystoke]

I went to the Trend Micro site to read up on the new PC-cillin. It seems like a nice AV.

One thing concerns me though and maybe bigc73542 can clarify this. Trend Micro states that PCC has daily virus updates. When I visited DSLR security forum, their update thread showed PCC's virus def. date 11/3/03. That's pretty old. Is the date shown at DSLR wrong and the virus def. on PCC are up to date?

[Bowserman]

Here is a screenshot with the current updates - updated just before.

Regards,
Jade.

[nameless]

PC-cillin Internet Security uses the same updates as PCC 2003 (for now, anyway). Since I just stopped using the latter of these, I can say with certainty that the updates were provided daily (sometimes more than once daily--on occasion, I saw two or three updates on a given day).

[Graystoke]

Bowserman, nameless...........

Thank you. I might give PCC 2004 a try.

[bigc73542]

It updates daily so far, it updates all of the modules through the same update program just not all modules every day. For instance the spam filter might update today and the spyware tomorow. But it does stay up to date. Since I have been useing it my computer runs smoother than it has with any of the many av's I have had on here.I do beleive I will keep it on here since it seems to work very well. I would definatly recomend it for most users. Some power users might not like it but I personally think it works as well as any av out there.

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[nameless]

I don't know if PCC is as good at detection as KAVP is, but it is good nonetheless, and it is (or at least PCC 2003 was) much less problematic. With PCC 2003, I'd just set it and forget it. Once in awhile I'd make sure the updates were being applied correctly, but they always were.

Now that I use KAVP, I am finding some genuine annoyances with it that PCC 2003 never had. For example, I have found that the KAVP real-time monitor bogs down the system terribly when I simply defrag one of my partitions. A Kaspersky Lab rep recommended to me that I close or temporarily disable the monitor while defragging. However, there is no way to do that automatically, and since I defrag on a schedule, what am I to do? Not defrag automatically, or not use a real-time monitor? With PCC 2003, this ridiculous issue was never a problem.

[Graystoke]

Bowserman, bigc73542, nameless..........One more question if I may. I take it that you never had the need to download PCC's beta virus updates?

[nameless]

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Bowserman, bigc73542, nameless..........One more question if I may. I take it that you never had the need to download PCC's beta virus updates?" }-

I never downloaded them. But I am not the type to keep an eye on the "virus of the moment" list, and compare that to what the release version patterns covered.

[bigc73542]

Instead of checking for extra dats. I depend on either my pcc or extendia avk pro with two engines and two seperate dat files to catch any very new virus. :)

[Graystoke]

Thanks for answering my question. I agree. I would rather do other things than constantly watch for daily dats. :)

[nameless]

Especially since, for me anyway, being that much of a prisoner to security is worse than being the occasional victim to a failure of it. Sort of like the old proverb about how every man dies, but the man who lives in constant fear dies many times over.

[bigc73542]

The bottom line is if you don't trust your security apps. you might as well not even use them. I do beleive you can go to far, you could turn into an electronic hypocondriac.







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[nameless]

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How is the PCC firewall? Does it (finally) allow for outbound control? Component level or just application level? Is it pretty configurable overall?
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To answer my own question, I just found out from reading a review that PC-cillin Internet Security's firewall does not have application-based outbound control.

[bigc73542]

http://antivirus.about.com/cs/allabout/a/pccillin2004_2.htm

I have not tried to run za with pcc but acording to this article it works just fine. Click link for full article

The integrated firewall feature masks the PC in full stealth mode according to ShieldsUp! tests run at GRC.com. The PC-cillin firewall is not an application-specific firewall like ZoneAlarm, thus it does not prompt or block specific file access. I wanted the best of both worlds, so I reinstalled ZoneAlarm and ran it alongside PC-cillin with no difficulty. It is likely that neither ZoneAlarm nor Trend Micro would support such an installation (it's generally not advisable to run two firewall or two antivirus products simultaneously). However, the two are still merrily co-existing on my Windows 2000 system and I plan to perform a similar install to my Windows XP system.
Mary Landesman

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[nameless]

That's the article I alluded to above (I didn't want to specify the exact review, since I thought it was a bit too cheesy :D).

I just initiated the PC-cillin Internet Security install, and it prompted me to remove ZAP. Maybe it will work fine without removing ZAP, I don't know, but I don't play fast and loose with my system, so I won't be finding out. I canceled setup.

Funny, with PC-cillin 2003, you could simply opt not to install the firewall component. Here, I've been running ZAP for eons, and Trend Micro presumes that I want to remove it to use their more-feeble replacement.

KAVP is working awfully for me, NOD32's IMON doesn't work well with Apache, I can't go back to Trend, no idea where to go from here... [not looking for responses]

[bigc73542]

Trend micro's firewall might be (febble) but it is a full stealth firewall that passed the leak test, That is all I need. :)

[nameless]

How can it pass a leak test, when it doesn't control outbound behavior on an application level (honest question)?

[bigc73542]

Well it seems you were correct it could not pass the leak test. It is almost comical what lead me to beleive it had passed. When I hit the test button on leak test it never said it could connect so I thought it must have passed . Well I ran the test again and watched a little closer and what had happened was that trojanhunter guard had removed the leak test app. and I couldn't see the pop up notice till I closed the page :-\ At least I know trojan hunter works well.

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[bigc73542]

I really liked the antivirus and some of the other modules in trend micro internet security. But since I screwed up on the leak test and was under the false impression that the firewall was better than it is and since I can't install it without the firewall I have just uninstalled it . That sucks. Oh well no one said life was easy. :-[

[bigc73542]

After I unstalled pc-cillin internet security I rebooted and when I tried to open firebird it wouldnt open at all. I played with it a while then gave up and reinstalled it but it still would not open. I tried everything I could think of I even created a new short cut but it didn't work. what really pi##es me off is that black diamond was working perfect before I uninstalled pcc. I finally did a restore on my comp. back before pcc was installed. I still can not get it to open. Mozilla 1.5 will not work anymore either? I finally downloaded Opera and it seems to work well. but I will be darned If I can figure out what is going on. It is very suspicious That it screwed up at the same time I uninstalled pc-cillin. What is strange is that opera and internet explorer both work ok but mozilla and firebird wont at all. >:( Any Ideas?

[nameless]

I am baffled as to why Firebird wouldn't open. And it may be a feeble offering of help, but what I usually do when stuff like that happens is to break out with Sysinternals Filemon (http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/source/filemon.shtml) and Sysinternals Regmon (http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/source/regmon.shtml).

If you close all other applications (to prevent being bombarded with irrelevant log entries), then enable each utility just before trying to launch Firebird, you might be able to determine what is going on by the failure entries you see. The key word there is "might". :-\

[bigc73542]

I will give that a try and post back later to let you what happened.

[bigc73542]

Well after a lot more checking I still can't find anything that might be causing firebird and mozilla 1.5 from loading. The hard drive activity light goes like crazy for a moment then it quits and they wont load. Maybe it is a blessing in disguise, I never took the time to really set up opera before. Now that I have I like it better than the mozilla browsers. Which are still excellent browsers.Thanks for the as usually good advice on checking on a problem. Thanks again.





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[Graystoke]

Just my 2 cents worth. I decided to give Trend Micro Internet Security a try. I'm using Outpost Pro v2. After I installed TMIS. I disabled it's firewall. I got a warning pop up that said if I disable the firewall, I also disable virus protection. Well I disabled it anyway just to see what would happen.

I'm no security expert, so I don't know if the test I did proves anything. I tried to download the Eicar test file and TMIS stopped it cold. I take it that means that the A/V is working. Right? TMIS and Outpost seem to be getting along together, so far anyway.

OS=XP Home

[bigc73542]

If it catches the eicar test it is working. I uninstalled tmis and when I did it took some files with it. Fortunatlly I had them on back up disc. But after uninstall mozilla or firebird for some reason will not run anymore. Even after two restores. Full format restores through boot up f10 recovery. I just can't figure it out. Thank goodness opera runs super good






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[Graystoke]

-{ Quote: "I uninstalled tmis and when I did it took some files with it." }-

Wow, not good. Makes me a little nervous. Well, I have GoBack installed. I'll run tmis a day or two and then try to uninstall. If bad things happen, I'll just do a revert of C:/. Hopefully anyway. :)

[nameless]

Well well well, looky here (http://kb.trendmicro.com/solutions/solutionDetail.asp?solutionID=16995). It seems there is a way to remove the PC-cillin Internet Security firewall component. Apparently, you can have PC-cillin Internet Security installed without the firewall component, but you must install the firewall component when you install the product itself, then subsequently uninstall the firewall component separately.

This baffles me. How could they provide a way to uninstall the firewall component, but tell you upon initial product installation that you must remove other third-party firewall products, such as ZoneAlarm? Why force you to install it, and only then provide a way to remove it? ??? [Yup, that'd be one of those rhetorical questions. :-X]

Can anyone confirm that the procedure outlined in the above-linked support document works? I might become a Trend Micro customer again if it does.

[bigc73542]

I don't which component of pcc did it but the first thing I had to do was reinstall my network card driver after uninstalling tmis.








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[Graystoke]

Hi nameless. First of all, thanks for finding that information and posting the link here.

Well call me impulsive, but I decided to purchase the upgrade version of TMIS. I had PCC 2003 stashed away. :) I followed the instructions Trend Micro offers on how to uninstall the firewall, and it works. ;D At this time TMIS and Outpost Pro are still running very nicely together.

[Bowserman]

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Well well well, looky here (http://kb.trendmicro.com/solutions/solutionDetail.asp?solutionID=16995). It seems there is a way to remove the PC-cillin Internet Security firewall component. Apparently, you can have PC-cillin Internet Security installed without the firewall component, but you must install the firewall component when you install the product itself, then subsequently uninstall the firewall component separately.

This baffles me. How could they provide a way to uninstall the firewall component, but tell you upon initial product installation that you must remove other third-party firewall products, such as ZoneAlarm? Why force you to install it, and only then provide a way to remove it? ??? [Yup, that'd be one of those rhetorical questions. :-X]

Can anyone confirm that the procedure outlined in the above-linked support document works? I might become a Trend Micro customer again if it does.
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Works beautifully nameless, nice find ;D............will let you know how it goes after a day or so ;).

Regards,
Jade.

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[nameless]

The roadblock I ran into was that I am prompted to remove ZAP. If I say "No", PC-cillin setup exits. If I say "Yes", ZAP's uninstaller launches, and PC-cillin's setup exits (and won't continue unless ZAP is removed). The bottom line is that there is no (native) way to continue PC-cillin setup without removing ZAP.

Now, I've danced this dance before, with other software, and I know it's not hard to get around. I could just figure out what registry key(s) PC-cillin setup is looking at (my guess is HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Zone Labs), and temporarily rename them. Then PC-cillin's setup routine wouldn't bat an eye at my ZAP installation. Or, I could go ahead and remove ZAP, install PC-cillin, remove the PC-cillin firewall, then reinstall ZAP and restore its configuration using the XML file backup I have of the ZAP configuration.

But the way I look at it, if Trend Micro is that adamant about making life difficult, or getting me to remove the more-mature and better-featured firewall I've been using since the dawn of man, they must not want my money very much.

I'm hoping a forthcoming point release of PC-cillin lets you avoid firewall component installation in the first place, and I told Trend Micro how I feel (FWIW). If you agree, go to this web page (http://kb.trendmicro.com/solutions/), and select the appropriate "Contact Support" link on the bottom right. Tell them it makes no sense to force users to remove other firewall software before installing PC-cillin 2004!

[JimIT]

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Wanted to comment on what I've read in this forum about TM "forcing" users to upgrade to the latest version: This morning I received an e-mail offer from TM to resubscribe for virus pattern updates to PCC 2002 at a reduced price. (This is the second such e-mail I've received in the last year. The first was to extend my 60 day trial to one year.)

So, for 2 years of updates to PCC 2002, I will end up paying around 29.00.

I installed PCC 2002 on one of my boxes back in January of last year, and haven't been badgered yet to upgrade at all.

Just wanted to relate my experience so far.

;)

[nameless]

-{ Quote: " quoting: JimIT link=board=24;threadid=15660;start=0#msg97424 date=1067609507]Wanted to comment on what I've read in this forum about TM "forcing" users to upgrade to the latest version: This morning I received an e-mail offer from TM to resubscribe for virus pattern updates to PCC 2002 at a reduced price.

So, for 2 years of updates to PCC 2002, I will end up paying around 29.00." }-

I have to wonder about that account, which runs counter to the PCC 2002/2003 license agreement. I bought PCC 2002 long ago for one of my systems, and PCC 2003 for another, and have never received that kind of offer regarding either one (even though I am subscribed to the applicable "offers" and "newsletters" mailing lists). I also recently emailed Trend Micro, and was specifically told that no such virus pattern update discounts were available for PCC 2002 or 2003. Rather, I was told that my only option was to dump $25 on the entire PCC 2004 upgrade.

[JimIT]

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I have to wonder about that account, which runs counter to the PCC 2002/2003 license agreement. I bought PCC 2002 long ago for one of my systems, and PCC 2003 for another, and have never received that kind of offer regarding either one (even though I am subscribed to the applicable "offers" and "newsletters" mailing lists).
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*shrugs*

Wonder all you want. ;)

YMMV. The version I have is an OEM version that came with a motherboard. Maybe that's the difference.
:-\

[nameless]

Looks like the joke's on me then. Know why? Because I got en OEM copy of PCC 2002 with my Asus A7N8X Deluxe board, too--but I never used it! Reason being, I already had a licensed copy of PCC 2002 by that time, and I subsequently bought a PCC 2003 license for another system. So I ignored the OEM copy.

Looks like Trend Micro customers get punished for being customers. Nice. Typical. Thanks for the heads-up. And two BIG middle fingers to my buddies at Trend Micro.