Is This Right??

[kennyboy]

I work with 3 snapshots. Primary, Copy of Primary and Working Snapshot. I wanted to try out a new Firewall, so booted to the Working snapshot, uninstalled the existing firewall as instructed, and installed the new firewall.
After working with it for a few days, I decided to go back to my original firewall, so booted to the primary, thinking I would just copy it back to the working snapshot.
What I found in the primary was that the original firewall was uninstalled, and there was no firewall present any longer.
Surely, an uninstall in the working snapshot should not have affected the Primary.....or did I do something wrong?

[Acadia]

{QUOTE->
Surely, an uninstall in the working snapshot should not have affected the Primary..... <-QUOTE}
Uninstalling the firewall in the Working Snapshot would not have uninstalled it in the Primary unless you used the Working Snapshot to copy/update to the Primary. Good luck.

Acadia

[kennyboy]

{QUOTE-> Uninstalling the firewall in the Working Snapshot would not have uninstalled it in the Primary unless you used the Working Snapshot to copy/update to the Primary. Good luck.

Acadia <-QUOTE}

Always careful not to update the primary unless I am sure I want to. If I had, it would have the new firewall installed, because the uninstall of the old firewall and install of the new one was done at the same time.

[Acadia]

If uninstalling a program in one Snapshot also automatically uninstalled it in another Snapshot, then FirstDefense is definitely not working correctly and this is very disturbing. I would notify tech support immediately ... and PLEASE let us know what they say!

Acadia

[kennyboy]

{QUOTE-> If uninstalling a program in one Snapshot also automatically uninstalled it in another Snapshot, then FirstDefense is definitely not working correctly and this is very disturbing. I would notify tech support immediately ... and PLEASE let us know what they say!

Acadia <-QUOTE}

Just a thought before I contact Tech support. I always install my programs on a separate partition. So....if I uninstall it would bypass FDR and uninstall the app from the unmonitored partition........wouldnt it??? Really not sure about that though. It is a bit of a worry I must admit.

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE-> Just a thought before I contact Tech support. I always install my programs on a separate partition. So....if I uninstall it would bypass FDR and uninstall the app from the unmonitored partition........wouldnt it??? Really not sure about that though. It is a bit of a worry I must admit. <-QUOTE}
If your FDISR is installed on partition [C:], FDISR will only work for this partition [C:]. Any other partition will be ignored by FDISR.
Why would you install your programs in another partition, than [C:] ?
I can't follow you anymore, maybe Acadia can. :)

[starfish_001]

{QUOTE-> Just a thought before I contact Tech support. I always install my programs on a separate partition. So....if I uninstall it would bypass FDR and uninstall the app from the unmonitored partition........wouldnt it??? Really not sure about that though. It is a bit of a worry I must admit. <-QUOTE}

Your setup will limit FD
All your snapsots will be effected if you do this. I would be worth installing encarta (v large) this way but not other apps.


rollback rx might suite you better

[wilbertnl]

{QUOTE-> I always install my programs on a separate partition. <-QUOTE}
So, the firewall was uninstalled in the work snapshot and the files were removed.
When you switched to the primary snapshot, the original firewall was not uninstalled, but the files were not found.

By the way, your concept of applications in a second partition is supported by eazFix/Rollback RX. It monitors multiple partitions. :thumb:

[kennyboy]

{QUOTE-> If your FDISR is installed on partition [C:], FDISR will only work for this partition [C:]. Any other partition will be ignored by FDISR.
Why would you install your programs in another partition, than [C:] ?
I can't follow you anymore, maybe Acadia can. :) <-QUOTE}

Erik. I keep my C. Drive clean of everything except the operating system. Always have done this. Makes fixing any operating system problems much easier.
C Drive. Windows XP Pro only.
D Drive Applications Only.
E Drive. Data (Backed up to External)

Hope this makes sense to you now.

Not sure that Rollback rx is as good as FDR.

FDR has saved me a lot but havnt come across this before.

So.....does everyone here keep their applications on C. and doesnt that make C Drive extremely large and unweildy??

[ErikAlbert]

My setup is like this :
Internal Harddisk1 - System Partition [C:] = winXPproSP2 + FDISR + Applications
Internal Harddisk2 - Data Partition [D:] = only personal data, emails and email-address-books
External Harddisk - Backup Partition [E:] = only backup images and archived snapshots.

As wilbertnl already said, I think you are better of with RollbackRx.

So your FDISR is installed on [D:] away from Windows ?
This also means that your snapshots contain only applications. Am I right ?

[kennyboy]

{QUOTE-> My setup is like this :
Internal Harddisk1 - System Partition [C:] = winXPproSP2 + FDISR + Applications
Internal Harddisk2 - Data Partition [D:] = only personal data, emails and email-address-books
External Harddisk - Backup Partition [E:] = only backup images and archived snapshots.

As wilbertnl already said, I think you are better of with RollbackRx.

So your FDISR is installed on [D:] away from Windows ?
This also means that your snapshots contain only applications. Am I right ? <-QUOTE}

No, My snapshots are of the C Drive. ie The OPERATING System. I only want FDR to protect the Operating system so I dont need Rollback. Apart from this one instance, it has up to now worked flawlesly. To stop any more confusion, I will try to replicate the previous result when I have more time.
Thanks to all for your input.

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE-> No, My snapshots are of the C Drive. ie The OPERATING System. I only want FDR to protect the Operating system so I dont need Rollback. Apart from this one instance, it has up to now worked flawlesly. To stop any more confusion, I will try to replicate the previous result when I have more time.
Thanks to all for your input. <-QUOTE}
Well, it's indeed confusing, since you have so many partitions.
All your applications are installed on [D:], except your original firewall and your test firewall which are/were both installed on your [C:].

Primary snapshot = original firewall
Working snapshot = test firewall

You decided to get rid of the test firewall.
After copy/paste from primary snapshot to working snapshot you should have :
Primary snapshot = original firewall
Working snapshot = original firewall
Unless you made somewhere a mistake.

A possible mistake could be :
You uninstalled the original firewall in the working snapshot (good) and in the primary snapshot (bad) by mistake.
You installed the test firewall in the working snapshot (good)
You copy/updated from primary snapshot (without firewall) to working snapshot (good)
Primary snapshot = no firewall
Working snapshot = no firewall

OK. I will wait for your second attempt. :)

[DVD+R]

I dont have this problem,I also have 3 snapshots like the ones mentioned, If I uninstall something while booted to either snapshot other than the primary, the bootback to the primary is as it was before, untouched with no software alterations. So you must have updated the primary or something

[wilbertnl]

{QUOTE-> I dont have this problem,I also have 3 snapshots like the ones mentioned, If I uninstall something while booted to either snapshot other than the primary, the bootback to the primary is as it was before, untouched with no software alterations. So you must have updated the primary or something <-QUOTE}
The issue here is that Kennyboy removed an application that was installed in all his snapshots.

This reaffirms to me that it's better to never uninstall, I prefer to startover with a OEM snapshot.
Kennyboy needs to keep an archive of Windows OEM at hand and any evaluation should be conducted in a snapshot that is a derivate of that OEM archive.

No uninstall, we say. :thumb:

{QUOTE-> D Drive Applications Only. <-QUOTE}
The result of this concept is that you will have files of applications in D:\Program Files\ that are not properly installed in all your snapshots.
Which may lead to confusion.

[Peter2150]

{QUOTE-> The issue here is that Kennyboy removed an application that was installed in all his snapshots.

This reaffirms to me that it's better to never uninstall, I prefer to startover with a OEM snapshot.
Kennyboy needs to keep an archive of Windows OEM at hand and any evauation should be conducted in a snapshot that is a derivate of that OEM archive.

No uninstall, we say. :thumb:


<-QUOTE}

TO this I have to say nonsense. Frankly I think the problem stems from confusion overload with all the partitions, anchoring etc. How can you evaluate something, unless you try it in your system as it is now. So I tried an experiment since I haven't done this since installing the new version.

The setup. 1 partition C: with 2 snapshots: Primary and Rollback.

1. I imaged just in case.
2. I booted to my secondary snapshot Rollback
3. I uninstalled KAV,Online Armor/w Firewall,SSM and Super Antispyware
4. I installed F-Secure Internet Security Suite 2007. It installed and was running fine.
5. I booted back to Primary, and it was just like it had been when I left. KAV, and everything else was there, and there was no trace of F-Secure.
6. I did a copy/update from Primary to Rollback, and then booted back to Rollback.
7. Rollback was then again identical with primary. No trace of F-Secure.

There is indeed no problem whatsoever with FDISR, and I would suggest if someone is having problems with FDISR concepts, they will be just as bad off, if not worse with Rollback.

Pete

[wilbertnl]

{QUOTE-> There is indeed no problem whatsoever with FDISR, and I would suggest if someone is having problems with FDISR concepts, they will be just as bad off, if not worse with Rollback. <-QUOTE}
Who said that software was the cause of Kennyboy's problem?

Kennyboy has a different philosophy of Operating System, Applications and Data than most of us. Nothing wrong with that, but he needs to be aware of the consequences of this structure.

Why do you say that Rollback RX would not be better? I assure you that multiple partitions on the first drive are supported and monitored. I have tested that.

If C: and D: both are monitored and you switch to a different snapshot in C: you will find the status of D: changed to how it was at the time you took the snapshot in C:. Yes, read this sentence again!

[Acadia]

VERY interesting stuff, fellows, keep it coming! So, am I to understand that for a "normal" user of FD, a normal user only having a single c:partition, that FD will still behave the way that it is supposed to? I have never had any problems will either installing or uninstalling new programs; whatever I do in one of my Snapshots DOES NOT affect any of my other 15 Snapshots, and it never did! 8)

Acadia

[wilbertnl]

Acadia, you have nothing to worry about in your setup.

[Acadia]

Thank you, wilbertnl. That's what I kind of figured, but many of you have become much more expert in this program over the past year than I could ever become because of all the testing that a few of you have done, testing that I would NEVER even consider doing! Testing with partition programs, Imaging programs, other "instant recovery programs", etc. Thanks for your confirmation.

Acadia

[Peter2150]

{QUOTE-> VERY interesting stuff, fellows, keep it coming! So, am I to understand that for a "normal" user of FD, a normal user only having a single c:partition, that FD will still behave the way that it is supposed to? I have never had any problems will either installing or uninstalling new programs; whatever I do in one of my Snapshots DOES NOT affect any of my other 15 Snapshots, and it never did! 8)

Acadia <-QUOTE}

15 eh?

[Acadia]

{QUOTE-> 15 eh? <-QUOTE}
But one of them is my Freeze Storage, so maybe I only really have 14?! :P

Acadia

[wilbertnl]

{QUOTE-> 15 eh? <-QUOTE}
Yeah, Peter,
Acadia doesn't do what you and I do. But he accomplishes something that we won't. :blink:

[Acadia]

{QUOTE-> ... But he accomplishes something that we won't. <-QUOTE}
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e374/AcadiaMoose/headscratch.gif

Acadia

[kennyboy]

Sorry to have caused all this confusion, but I have discovered something interesting. As I said in my opening post, I have 3 snapshots. I was only considering 2 of them when I posted, but I have now booted into my Primary backup snapshot, and.......the firewall has gone there too!! ie. NO firewalls installed at all.
From what you are all saying it seems that the cause may be because I am using my D partition to install my Applications to.
I am actually amazed that more people do not do this as it does keep the C Partition very clean. Also, if it is wrong to do so, why would there be an option to change the default installation directory on ALL programs. Anyway, the operating system seems to get everything it needs to run the Application wherever you install it.
I think Erik might be slightly misunderstanding the setup. Although all my applications including FDR are installed in the D partition, FDR most definately ONLY monitors the C partition. That is what it was designed for and that is what I use it for.
I will have to have a re-think however on FDR because using it as I do seems to run against the whole idea of the snapshots being totally untouchable.
Interesting concept though!

[Peter2150]

{QUOTE-> Sorry to have caused all this confusion, but I have discovered something interesting. As I said in my opening post, I have 3 snapshots. I was only considering 2 of them when I posted, but I have now booted into my Primary backup snapshot, and.......the firewall has gone there too!! ie. NO firewalls installed at all.
From what you are all saying it seems that the cause may be because I am using my D partition to install my Applications to.
I am actually amazed that more people do not do this as it does keep the C Partition very clean. Also, if it is wrong to do so, why would there be an option to change the default installation directory on ALL programs. Anyway, the operating system seems to get everything it needs to run the Application wherever you install it.
I think Erik might be slightly misunderstanding the setup. Although all my applications including FDR are installed in the D partition, FDR most definately ONLY monitors the C partition. That is what it was designed for and that is what I use it for.
I will have to have a re-think however on FDR because using it as I do seems to run against the whole idea of the snapshots being totally untouchable.
Interesting concept though! <-QUOTE}

Nothing to be sorry about. These topic's prove to be very educational.

Re partitioning there is no right or wrong. I keep it simple and don't partition. I have a 500 gig c: drive with just the one partition. Everything is there. I've been doing this for 5 years, and have yet to have a problem. It just keeps everything simple. Works for me.

[kennyboy]

{QUOTE->

This reaffirms to me that it's better to never uninstall, I prefer to startover with a OEM snapshot.
Kennyboy needs to keep an archive of Windows OEM at hand and any evauation should be conducted in a snapshot that is a derivate of that OEM archive.

<-QUOTE}

This is definately a new way of looking at things for me. The OEM concept seems good and I assume that keeping it in an archive as opposed to a bootable snapshot is insurance against accidentally using it.
More food for thought. Thanks.

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE-> I think Erik might be slightly misunderstanding the setup. Although all my applications including FDR are installed in the D partition, FDR most definately ONLY monitors the C partition. That is what it was designed for and that is what I use it for.
I will have to have a re-think however on FDR because using it as I do seems to run against the whole idea of the snapshots being totally untouchable.
Interesting concept though! <-QUOTE}
I understand your setup very well. I even considered myself to separate Windows from programs, just like I did for my personal data and some other members did the same thing like you did.
What I didn't understand is that your firewall (= application) wasn't installed on [D:].
Your firewall must have been installed on [C:], so you don't install all your applications on [D:] and that confused me.
In other words : What do you consider as "applications" ?

I decided not to separate my programs from Windows, because Windows is not only an OS, but also contains alot of integrated MS Applications, which are not always mentioned under the folder "C:\Programs". A simple example of this is the application "Notepad", you won't find it under "C:\Programs".
I consider Windows as a whole INTEGRATED collection of OS and Applications and any separation is quite risky.
Besides that I don't install applications every day, I only TRY and ditch other applications. I'm not a collector of softwares, I only install softwares permanently, if I really NEED them.
So the volume of my system partition is quite the same, since it doesn't contain any personal data.
Separating personal data can NOT cause any problems, I'm very sure about that and I'm doing this already since February 2006. My data partition doesn't contain any Windows system files.
But I wouldn't be so sure when I would separate programs from Windows. That is asking for POSSIBLE problems.

My [C:] looks exactly the same as Peter's [C:], the only difference is that my [C:] doesn't contain any personal data.

[kennyboy]

{QUOTE->
What I didn't understand is that your firewall (= application) wasn't installed on [D:].
Your firewall must have been installed on [C:], so you don't install all your applications on [D:] and that confused me.
In other words : What do you consider as "applications" ?

<-QUOTE}

Yes Eric. It is my fault for not being clear on this point. The only 2 Applications that I install on C Drive are the firewall, and the anti-virus. My thinking is that these 2 apps above all, need to be integrated closely in the OS.

As nobody has asked the obvious question of Acadia, could you please tell me how you are able to get 14/15 snapshots? 10 plus 4/5 archives I understand, or maybe I am missing something again.

[Acadia]

Yes, that is correct. Ten bootable Snapshots on my c:drive and several unbootable Archive Snapshots on my other hard drive. You probably already this, but the later versions of FirstDefense will allow you to create as many Archive Snapshots as you want, the only limitation being the size of your harddrive. :)

Acadia

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE-> Yes Eric. It is my fault for not being clear on this point. The only 2 Applications that I install on C Drive are the firewall, and the anti-virus. My thinking is that these 2 apps above all, need to be integrated closely in the OS. <-QUOTE}
No sweat. Now I understand you completely LOL. Your very first post didn't mention all that. :)

[kennyboy]

??? {QUOTE-> Yes, that is correct. Ten bootable Snapshots on my c:drive and several unbootable Archive Snapshots on my other hard drive. You probably already this, but the later versions of FirstDefense will allow you to create as many Archive Snapshots as you want, the only limitation being the size of your harddrive. :)

Acadia <-QUOTE}

Actually, I didnt know that, but have to say I have enough trouble with just 3 snapshots and a couple of archives...

[wilbertnl]

{QUOTE-> Sorry to have caused all this confusion, <-QUOTE}
We would die here if there was no confusion. 8)
Reading your follow-up it looks like you have done some constructive thinking. :thumb:
I have no doubt that you find a setup that will work for you.
{QUOTE-> What I didn't understand is that your firewall (= application) wasn't installed on [D:].
Your firewall must have been installed on [C:], so you don't install all your applications on [D:] and that confused me. <-QUOTE}
Which information leads to this conclusion ???
I assumed that the files of the firewall reside on D:, like any other application.

By the way:
A separate partition for applications makes more sense if the applications keep their settings in their own application folders. That was more usual in Windows 3.11.
But nowadays the entire application environment is maintained in the registry, which resides in the system partition.

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE-> Which information leads to this conclusion ??? <-QUOTE}
That was easy enough. FDISR is installed on [C:], so the original and test firewall were also installed on [C:] instead of [D:].

[wilbertnl]

{QUOTE-> That was easy enough. FDISR is installed on [C:], so the original and test firewall were also installed on [C:] instead of [D:]. <-QUOTE}
I must be brain damaged then...
{QUOTE-> I think Erik might be slightly misunderstanding the setup. Although all my applications including FDR are installed in the D partition, FDR most definately ONLY monitors the C partition. <-QUOTE}

[ErikAlbert]

Well, Kennyboy made a few mistakes in his posts.
{QUOTE-> Erik. I keep my C. Drive clean of everything except the operating system. Always have done this. Makes fixing any operating system problems much easier.
C Drive. Windows XP Pro only.
D Drive Applications Only.
E Drive. Data (Backed up to External) <-QUOTE}
That is not entirely true. It must be like this :
C Drive = Windows XP Pro + FDISR + Firewall + AntiVirus
D Drive = the rest of the applications
E Drive = Data
{QUOTE-> Although all my applications including FDR are installed in the D partition, FDR most definately ONLY monitors the C partition. <-QUOTE}
That is normally impossible : FDISR installed on [D:] and monitoring [C:].
If he was able to do this, I would like to know how he did this.

That must be : FDISR installed on [C:] and monitoring [C:]

[wilbertnl]

{QUOTE-> That is normally impossible : FDISR installed on [D:] and monitoring [C:]. <-QUOTE}
Kennyboy probably installed Windows with a customized winnt.sif (http://unattended.msfn.org/unattended.xp/view/web/19/) containing the following line:
ProgramFilesDir="D:\Program Files"
The effect is that \Program Files completely resides on D: FD-ISR will function as designed, no matter that it's files aren't in C:.

Still, I don't see any statement in this thread that backs up your conclusion, ErikAlbert.
I'm patiently waiting for quoted text. ;D

[Peter2150]

Now I understand, and FDISR won't work that way, no wonder it's a mess. And yes I understand Rollback will handle it, but it's a disaster waiting to happen.

You can't possibly separate applications from the system. When ever you install an application, where do you thing DLL's are place, and where do you thing drivers are placed. Yep in the system area. No wonder FDISR didn't work right.

Given that Rollback keeps both disks straight, I for the life of me don't see the advantage. Usually what messes up the operating system is some change in an application.

Pete

[wilbertnl]

{QUOTE-> Now I understand, and FDISR won't work that way, no wonder it's a mess. <-QUOTE}
Let me rephrase this: FD-ISR functions well, but this setup leads to unexpected side effects.
{QUOTE-> And yes I understand Rollback will handle it, but it's a disaster waiting to happen. <-QUOTE}
You will be surprised how well this setup is supported by Rollback RX.
{QUOTE-> Given that Rollback keeps both disks straight, I for the life of me don't see the advantage. Usually what messes up the operating system is some change in an application. <-QUOTE}
Well, some computer users make decisions that don't make sense to others. My wife turns purple when she sees my setup, because she has all her important data on her desktop, right in sight. :o

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE-> Still, I don't see any statement in this thread that backs up your conclusion, ErikAlbert.
I'm patiently waiting for quoted text. ;D <-QUOTE}
I ASSUMED that he installed FDISR on [C:], like most people do, just like you assume that he used customized winnt.sif

He also clearly said, that he installed his firewall and antivirus on [C:].
Why would he make exceptions in his own setup ? To put it closer to Windows, isn't really a technical explanation.

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE-> Now I understand, and FDISR won't work that way, no wonder it's a mess. <-QUOTE}
I fully agree with you. He created a MESS and assumed it would work properly.

[wilbertnl]

{QUOTE-> He also clearly said, that he installed his firewall and antivirus on [C:]. <-QUOTE}
Which was stated after your conclusion. ;D
{QUOTE-> He created a MESS <-QUOTE}
Let us just say that Kennyboy's concept is not supported by FD-ISR. :-*

[Peter2150]

{QUOTE->

Let us just say that Kennyboy's concept is not supported by FD-ISR. :-* <-QUOTE}

Yes, but also it is indeed setting yourself up for all kinds of side effects. (read disasters).

Software can have enough issues. A smart setup, will help it do it's work, rather than set it up for failure.

I understand Kennyboy's setup might work, but WHY??

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE-> Which was stated after your conclusion. ;D <-QUOTE}
OMG. Is it that important to you : what and when I said something ?
I will quickly end this VERY IMPORTANT issue : you are right and I was wrong. Is that what you wanted to hear ?
{QUOTE-> Let us just say that Kennyboy's concept is not supported by FD-ISR. :-* <-QUOTE}
Let us say that Windows isn't ready for such separation. I wouldn't even do it with or without FDISR/RB.

[wilbertnl]

It's not about right or wrong.
It doesn't serve the original poster well when responses contain strong judgemental statements based on misinformation.

[ErikAlbert]

{QUOTE-> It's not about right or wrong.
It doesn't serve the original poster well when responses contain strong judgemental statements based on misinformation. <-QUOTE}
OMG. It's getting even worse. I hope he will survive my misinformation and doesn't regret his money on FDISR.

I didn't encourage him to separate programs from Windows. That is misinformation too. Who are you going to blame for that ?

The day I start using RollbackRx, I will blame Peter for recommending me FirstDefense-ISR. Don't you see how ridiculous that would be.
Every member is responsible for his own decisions at Wilders.

I installed softwares recommended by members of wilders that screw up my system. I never blamed them, because "I" took that decision.
Your ego is getting bigger every day, but please not at my expense. :)

[kennyboy]

Ok Guys. Very sorry for causing problems. I really appreciate everyones comments and advice, and if that advice comes over as slightly harsh sometimes, I am sure it is meant sincerely and constructively.
Let me maybe have the last say on this so we can move on.

{QUOTE->
Let us just say that Kennyboy's concept is not supported by FD-ISR. :-* <-QUOTE}

Very polite way of putting it ...thankyou.......:)

Sorry Cant seem to include multiple quotes on this message. Anyway,

From Erik..Why would he make exceptions in his own setup ? To put it closer to Windows, isn't really a technical explanation.

May not be technical but the best I could do when looking at the situation logically. My limited computer knowledge told me that the "vital" Applications needed to be on the system partition. May not have been correct, but I am not technical. Just doing my best. No "Gurus" here. I rely on forums like this.

From Peter2150...I understand Kennyboy's setup might work, but WHY??

In hindsight.........not sure myself now. ???

I am sure when I have re-thought my system, I will have a more "conventional" setup, and equally sure I will be back for some more help in the future.

Thanks to everyone for your time.

Ken

[RobZee]

I have been using separate partitions for my WIndowsXP Home program(C), for my other applications(D) and for my data(E). From following the foregoing posts and other threads, I can see that it would be better to have OS (C) and Other apps(D) in the same partition.

Question is how I can accomplish this without creating chaos and/or reinstalling all my Apps in the C partition. Can I do this using Norton Partition Magic 8 or Paragon Partion Manager?

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Rob

[wilbertnl]

{QUOTE-> Question is how I can accomplish this without creating chaos and/or reinstalling all my Apps in the C partition. Can I do this using Norton Partition Magic 8 or Paragon Partion Manager? <-QUOTE}
I'm afraid that you have to hear bad news here, RobZee...
Since most applications maintain their settings in the registry and there is a good chance that also paths are stored in the registry, it's not a simple matter of moving files to a different location.
{QUOTE-> In hindsight.........not sure myself now. ??? <-QUOTE}
Kennyboy, you didn't have problems with your concept until you gave FD-ISR a try. Right?

[kennyboy]

{QUOTE->
Kennyboy, you didn't have problems with your concept until you gave FD-ISR a try. Right? <-QUOTE}

Actually wilbertnl I always found it a good setup to use because C was always so easy to restore when I needed to. I hate System Restore as I always found it unreliable. Use ATI for years with mostly good results. I want to use the benefits of FDR and will tailor my system to suit it when I can.

[Peter2150]

Having just had a play with Vista, I have a feeling in the future this whole thread may be just so much about so little. Just be glad we can even have this discussion.

Pete

[kennyboy]

{QUOTE-> Having just had a play with Vista, I have a feeling in the future this whole thread may be just so much about so little. Just be glad we can even have this discussion.

Pete <-QUOTE}

Interesting Comment Pete.
As someone who wont be installing Vista for a long time could you explain what you mean?

[Peter2150]

{QUOTE-> Interesting Comment Pete.
As someone who wont be installing Vista for a long time could you explain what you mean? <-QUOTE}

Well first of all I wouldn't install vista for a play without an image to undo the whole thing.

Microsoft seems to have deemed necessary to remove from our control easy ways to set up like you did, and give us big helpings of uninstallable stuff like Windows Defender. Least wise I couldn't find a way to get rid of it. It took me a while to even stumble into something like explorer(My Computer) where I could even look at my C drive perse. And boy you are going to need horse power. I have an Athlon FX62, two Nvidia 7900 GTX cards and a raid 0 configuration, and instead of really being peppy it was mushy. Vista is real pretty but....

It's going to be a while for me also.

[kennyboy]

{QUOTE-> Well first of all I wouldn't install vista for a play without an image to undo the whole thing.

Microsoft seems to have deemed necessary to remove from our control easy ways to set up like you did, and give us big helpings of uninstallable stuff like Windows Defender. Least wise I couldn't find a way to get rid of it. It took me a while to even stumble into something like explorer(My Computer) where I could even look at my C drive perse. And boy you are going to need horse power. I have an Athlon FX62, two Nvidia 7900 GTX cards and a raid 0 configuration, and instead of really being peppy it was mushy. Vista is real pretty but....

It's going to be a while for me also. <-QUOTE}

I had a feeling that MS were trying to take a bit more control over what we could do with their OS.
I am happy with XP, and still learning a lot in it. Besides....I dont have the horsepower!!
Thanks for that.